MonaVie vs. Sambazon

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(…or How a Distributor Fixes the Competition)

I just finished reading this “side by side” comparison of MonaVie and Sambazon. After comparing the process behind the products, he concludes they are similar. He then states that a bottle of Sambazon is $2.99 while a bottle of MonaVie is $39.99 or more. Sounds like the MonaVie distributor is going to go with the sane choice and say that MonaVie is out-matched.

Of course the author doesn’t do this. He compares the cost per serving. There is where the logic falls apart. A true side by side comparison would be to compare the cost of MonaVie per ounce vs. the cost of Sambazon per ounce. You end up getting just an ounce of MonaVie for the $1.80/serving… but you get nearly the whole bottle in Sambazon’s $2.30/serving. So rather than congratulate Sambazon for using serving sizes that people actually drink, he twists it into some kind of negative. When you break it down ounce for ounce, the Sambazon becomes $0.29/ounce vs. MonaVie’s $1.80/ounce (plus shipping). It’s not close is it?

He then goes on to say:

No matter how much Sambazon I drink and no matter how many people I tell about Sambazon, I will never get paid to drink it.

That’s one of the very odd statements you’ll hear MonaVie distributors say. When you look at the MonaVie Income Disclosure Statement, you’ll note that 82% of the people (Distributor and Star level) who are actively trying to sell the juice, end up having to work 500 hours a year to break even on the $1500 of juice they drink. Do if you actively working the business, and you better than 82% of the people also working the business, you may get free juice for a year by donating 500 hours of your time. By the way, 500 hours is 31 days at 16 hours each. Yes, it’s a month of your life working 16 hour days for “free” juice. Another way to look at it is two months of your life working standard 8 hours of your life for “free” juice. That’s spending 1/6th of your yearly work life for “free” juice.

The other factor that I liked about MonaVie is the fact that you can have it automatically delivered to your doorstep every month.

MonaVie offers free shipping? Of course not. You have to pay for that, but with Sambazon, I just put it in my cart as I’m already at the store buying milk and other staples. The shipping cost of MonaVie is another negative.

MonaVie is 100% juice, there is no water and the juice in MonaVie Active and Pulse is not from concentrate. Only 1 of Sambazon’s drinks is 100% juice and they all contain water and juice from concentrate.

It’s completely unclear how MonaVie can add something freeze-dried without reconstituting it with water. It simply doesn’t make sense. Also since Sambazon is 1/6th the price of MonaVie, as long as it has more than 16.6% juice, you are getting more juice for your money. It’s simple math… You can get one ounce of 100% juice at $1.80 with MonaVie – or 6 ounces of Sambazon’s 80% juice (equal to 4.8 ounces of MonaVie’s 100%) for the same price. You still get nearly 5 times more for your dollar. That was the lowest amount of juice as Sambazon also had a 95% juice and a 100% juice option.

The sugar per serving for Sambazon is: 20g for Supergreens Revolution, 21g for Antioxidant Trinity and 30g for Strawberry Samba. The sugar per serving for MonaVie is: 3g for MonaVie Original, 3g for MonaVie Active and 7g for MonaVie Pulse.

More “serving size” trickery. Sambazon’s serving size is 8 ounces, so it’s sugar is actually less than MonaVie’s. It’s another example of false – “side by side” comparison. There’s more to it though as he goes into calories a serving and fat a serving. Again, you are getting 1/8th the amount of juice with MonaVie, so you should expect 1/8th the calories and 1/8 the fat.

My favorite source of lies was this one though…

Q: What is the ORAC score for your product?

A: Sambazon.com: One of our Acai smoothies or juices (10.4 fl oz.) have anywhere from 5,000- 15,000 ORAC units.
Monavie.com: Four ounces of MonaVie has an approximate ORAC value of 4,000 to 5,000 units. This is the approximate ORAC value of 5 to 13 commonly eaten fruits and vegetables. Health experts currently recommend consuming 5,000 ORAC units per day for optimal antioxidant protection.
***SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISON*** If you break down the ORAC unit scores per oz. Sambazon smoothies or juices have between 481 to 1442 units per ounce and MonaVie has between 1000 to 1250 units per ounce.

We already determined that MonaVie is clearly lying when it says it’s approximately 4000-5000 ORAC units. This is a big advantage for Sambazon.

So the real side-by-side comparison:
Sambazon: 481 to 1442 ORAC units/ounce (average is 961.5 ORAC)
MonaVie: 672.6 ORAC units/ounce

Sambazon Cost/ounce: $0.29
MonaVie Cost/ounce: $1.80

So for 1/6th the price, you can get what is likely to be 30% more ORAC.

Originally posted 2009-09-23 16:47:10. Republished by Blog Post Promoter

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  1. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Pearman 7,

    As Vogel stated it would probably take a week to refute everything, but I’ll give a quick run-down.

    MonaVie went into a lot of details about it’s supplier of acai. That’s awesome, but how can we verify what is said without them disclosing that supplier? Also that says a lot about the supply of 1/19th of the fruits in MonaVie… but it doesn’t say anything about the other 18/19ths of the fruit that make make up MonaVie.

    They made a big point of comparing servings of Sambazon vs. servings of MonaVie. That’s a false comparison as anyone who has read the original article here can tell. I’m just going slap a new serving-size label on my bottle of Sambazon that divides by 8 so that we are comparing two equal serving sizes (one ounce). Then you’ll see that 1-2 ounces (or servings) of Sambazon will have 4-8 grams of sugar and again just about as suitable for diabetics. Even better, you’ll see that the cost per serving goes from $1.56/serving for MonaVie to Sambazon is $0.29/serving. This is why we compare ounces to ounces to make things equal.

    It seems like MonaVie is once again claiming to reconstitute juice with water (as it says that freeze-dried acai is reconstituted), but it is not adding water to its label.

    There were a lot of words above about the process and benefits of freeze-dried acai. However, we (yet again) aren’t given information on how much freeze-dried acai is in MonaVie. In fact, because freeze-dried acai has such a high ORAC score and we know that MonaVie has such a low ORAC score (see Dr. Schauss’ studies), we know that there can’t be a lot of it in MonaVie. In fact we can mathematically prove that it’s less than 2.22% and is likely much lower.

    When MonaVie says, “By freeze drying the Açai fruit, the powerful antioxidants such as polyphenols are preserved”, we have to ask what polyphenols were preserved. We know that there are very few in the final product MonaVie, so why is there focus on the small percentage of acai which is just one of the 19 fruits
    in MonaVie?

    It really doesn’t make any sense like much of the above stuff that Pearman mentioned.

  2. Simple Acai Truth Says:

    Hi All – Wow, a whole lot of confusion out there about acai.

    Keeping it really simple, There’s about as much acai in a $40 bottle of Monavie as a $3 bottle of Sambazon acai juice- but with sambazon it’s USDA organic & fair trade – sambazon juices are kept refrigerated to protect the taste and nutrition- with Monavie there are artificial preservatives and a host of other non organic juice concentrates plus the need to enroll in a network marketing company… friends don’t let friends MLM : ) Sambazon has Pure, unsweetened frozen pulp if you want super potent, unsweetened acai too. All Sambazon products are available at Whole Foods and the juices are also available at most conventional supermarkets these days including some Walmarts, Costcos.

  3. Rasheed Says:

    Too much to read.

    But Cooper, I hope you know you’re going against the Policy and Procedures that you signed when you signed up as a distributor. It clearly states that you are not allowed to say that you get the juice for “free.”

    Also, you are lacking something very important–namely, your distributor ID.

    I just want to know WHY they promote all these expensive tools, sell them at a REALLY marked up price ($5 per CD is pretty expensive when most other MLM’s charge $2.50 or even FREE), when most of the people who listen to all these CDs don’t even succeed?

    Here’s a common conversation.

    “I’m not doing well, I’ve only recruited two people!”
    “Are you listening to your CD’s 10x a day reading all the books and soliciting all your friends?”
    “No…”
    “Then do it! Get on the leadership system which costs upwards of $200 a month and you’ll see results!”

    Yeah… you’ll see results. In your bank account after you find out you’re going broke.

    It’s “work smarter, not harder.” A person can dig a hole for 100 years and still not make it to China. Does that mean he’s not a hard worker? No, because his buddy who was digging the hole with him decided to stop digging and take a plane to China.

    Who succeeded in their goals? The one who quit. He didn’t quit trying to get his goal, he quit that specific “vehicle,” if you will, and found something that worked better.

    A question that ALL network marketers should answer: “Would you buy your product if there were no compensation plan attached?”

    If you saw a $40 bottle of MonaVie on the grocery store shelf, would you buy it, knowing you’d have to buy it every week?

    If so, congrats! If not, you may want to re-evaluate your motives for being with MonaVie.

  4. Gambit Says:

    First of all I found this article helpful and would like to thank you for taking the time to support an intriguing debate none the less taking time to inform others of the research put together. There are just so many viewpoints that honestly whether it’s Sambazon or Monavie as the superior product it solely depends on the consumer. (That’s capitalism for you :P) However, I understand this argument is based on factual evidence incorporating ORAC Score and cost per ounce.
    I’m new to the “acai movement” and wanted to learn more about the superfood as much as possible. After learning about it’s potency as an amazing source of antioxidants and the growing publicity the fruit receives linked to other health benefits backed with scientific research, it is very easy to acknowledge why people especially the health conscious want to get their hands on this berry. Unfortunately too many businesses out there figured it was an easy profitable trade and are destroying the reputation of the acai berry causing more confusion than necessary. I was disappointed of all these “scams” especially when these businesses boast the effectiveness of their product. We’re all aware of them and are on the constant look out for the best product out there so we just use what exactly works for the individual. There is nothing wrong if a person swears by either Monavie or Sambazon but some people need to understand how to debate openly and support their view.
    Anyway back to the point of this post. This research stated that a 10.4 fl oz. serving of Sambazon’s juice or smoothie had anywhere from 5,000 – 15,000 ORAC score. But when I went on Sambazon’s website it never stated an exact measurement of volume that contained these ORAC scores.

    Q: How much Acai should I eat per day to get the benefits?

    A: There is no USDA guideline on how much Acai one should consume in a day. Antioxidant research suggests we should get at least 3000-5000 ORAC units per day to significantly impact antioxidant activity, and reduce as much free radical damage as possible to your body’s cellular structure. On average, most Americans are only taking in about 1200 ORAC units per day, well below recommended levels. One Pack of Sambazon Acai has about 6000 ORAC units, one of our Acai smoothies or juices have anywhere 5,000- 15,000 ORAC units.

    http://www.sambazon.com/footer/faq

    Sambazon sells two completely different volumes of 10.5 fl oz. and 32. fl oz juices/smoothies.

    How do we know if the 10.5 fl oz bottle contains the minimum ORAC score of 5,000 and the 32 fl oz. bottle contains 15,000?

    If I have made a mistake please inform me of it. Hopefully you can prove 10.4 fl oz. or 10.5 fl oz. version of the bottle contains the maximum ORAC score of 15,000 of course. Regardless, the 32 fl oz bottle cost about $8.00 so it’s still more cost effective than Monavie’s $40.00 bottle.

    By the way I tried my first bottle of Sambazon 100% acai juice and was definitely satisfied. The taste was great surprisingly but it’s only my first day so I’ll keep using it for a while to further evaluate my overall experience with this product. I intend to get the Monavie version as well later on since I’ve never tried it.
    Thank you

  5. MonaVie Scam Says:

    I think you answered your own question when you said, “Regardless, the 32 fl oz bottle cost about $8.00 so it’s still more cost effective than Monavie’s $40.00 bottle.”

  6. Vogel Says:

    Gambit said: “I’m new to the “acai movement” and wanted to learn more about the superfood as much as possible. After learning about it’s potency as an amazing source of antioxidants and the growing publicity the fruit receives linked to other health benefits backed with scientific research, it is very easy to acknowledge why people especially the health conscious want to get their hands on this berry. Unfortunately too many businesses out there figured it was an easy profitable trade and are destroying the reputation of the acai berry causing more confusion than necessary.”

    You sure are taking a lot for granted. What exactly is the “acai movement”? Is that a new political party? Acai’s “reputation” is built on marketing fluff (and quite a few lawsuits, but we’ll ignore those for now). The “movement” seems to consist mostly of victims of false advertising and financially-motivated rubes and conmen who profess that processed acai cures medical conditions. What exactly do you think it is that makes acai, or for that matter Monavie, a “superfood”? Because some talking head on the Oprah show might have said so? Where’s the evidence to support the claim that acai (or acai juice) is “an amazing source of antioxidants”. And where on earth is there even a stitch of evidence that acai/acai juice has “other health benefits backed with scientific research”. Why are you parroting empty sound bites and why do you sound so much like an acai brochure/salesman?

    Where is the evidence that “the health-conscious want to get their hands on this berry” (or that they should or ever would get close to an actual acai berry)? From what I can see, the people who have tried to “get their hands on this berry” consist mostly of (a) the thousands of people who were ripped off by online acai diet pill scams (prompting the FTC to intervene); and (b) the thousands of distributors (aka victims) of Monavie who were required to buy acai juice as an admission fee for participation in a pyramid scam.

    The people who aren’t out there running acai schemes and scams consist of simple consumers who might occasionally buy some inexpensive pure acai juice or acai juice blend form the supermarket (V-8 Acai, Bom-Dia) or health food store (Sambazon, Kundsen’s). They probably buy these juices because they taste OK and are reasonably priced, and maybe to some extent because of the influence of wildly exaggerated marketing myths about acai’s antioxidants, “superfruit” status, and “other health benefits”.

  7. Food Tech in CA Says:

    Gambit, the term “superfruit” or “superjuice” is meaningless in the scientific community. Superfoods is a marketing term. There is no fruit or juice so potent that it would be in a class by itself. Always remember to take into account the serving size when comparing fruits and juices. For instance, you mentioned that Sambazon will give you 5,000 ORAC units for 10.5 ounces. One average size apple (150 gms.) will give you 6,413 units. So, no matter what superjuice or superfood you come up with, I can beat it by simply eating another apple. Save your money. Eat fresh fruits and vegetables. When mamma rat had its litter, one pup ran off and formed MonaVie. Another started Sambazan. These sleazy juice companies are preying upon the consumer’s scientific ignorance.

  8. Vogel Says:

    Sambazon has probably stretched the truth a bit too and they have definitely benefited from all the acai hype (they might have even been involved in creating it). But in fairness they’ve never used illegally medical claims as the conerstone of their marketing, their product’s aren’t stupidly expensive like Monavie’s, and they aren’t an MLM. I don’t really have a beef with Sambazon; they aren’t pushing the limits any more than any other legit company. Agree or disagree?

  9. Mackwiz Says:

    I agree. I don’t think Sambazon and MonaVie are comparable when we are talking about outrageous prices and illegal medical claims. It seems like they are engaging in more traditional legal business behavior while MonaVie is miles away. I haven’t had one person claim Sambazon cured their back pain. It doesn’t make Sambazon’s superfood claims any different, but if you are going to buy into acai hype, at least be a little smarter than signing your life and wallet away.

  10. Food Tech in CA Says:

    MonaVie is in a sleaze league by itself. The nonsense their distributors come up with is astounding. You can look at these companies from two perspectives. One from a legal and ethical point of view, where, hands down, MonaVie rules the underbelly. The second is from a pure numbers comparison for nutritional value. In this case, all of the so-called “superjuices” fall flat on their faces when compared to fresh fruits and vegetables. MonaVie is no deal when compared to Sambazon, and Sambazon or MonaVie is no deal when compared to a simple apple.

  11. Skanda Says:

    Hi All – Ed Nichols “Skanda” here… Not sure how I ended up receiving emails from this blog but when I read the posts, I was saddened to see that our company was being spoken of with such negativity.

    I’m very happy to help answer any questions anyone may have. My email address is [email protected] and my cell phone is 949 244 5651.

    Warmly,

    skanda (my yoga name if anyone is curious)

    Co-Founder Sambazon

  12. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Ed,

    On May 24, 2010, someone commented as “Simple Acai Truth” with your email address. I presume it was you or someone else who you disclosed your email address to. When a comment is posted you can click the area that says, “Subscribe to Comments on this” (or something similar). These emails come with direction to unsubscribe if you choose to.

    I’m just trying to clear that up and make sure you know that it wasn’t done by me as the owner of this website.

    Your participation here is greatly welcomed. It is probably best to answer the questions in a public forum rather than privately through email or phone as others might be interested in the answers.

  13. Vogel Says:

    Well, well, well…Ed Nichols in the virtual flesh. Awesome dude! Thanks for dropping by. I think you can add a LOT to this conversation. BTW, don’t be too saddened; Sambazon was pretty much given a free pass here by most of the regular contributors (including me).

    I think your company has done a lot of things very well and it has not resorted to the deceptive practices of Monavie; I’ve pointed this out on several occasions because you deserved credit for it.

    Here’s what I like about Sambazon’s marketing. You use USDA certified organic acai; you specify the amount of berries per bottle/serving; you give a rough idea of the ORAC (not that ORAC necessarily matters all that much); you list omega FAs on the label; you don’t use sodium benzoate; you have done a good job of promoting fair-trade practices; you have set up your own acai farms; you don’t promote your juices as miracle cures; you price the products fairly; you aren’t an MLM; you were first to market; and you have a corporate image that fits in well with the holistic surfer vibe down here in SoCal.

    I have often felt bad about the fact that you did so much to build a reputable business and pretty much put acai on the map as a commodity, and then got inadvertently tarred by the same brush as Monavie and the acai-powder supplement scams that the FTC was forced to litigate against. That must suck! It’s a bit ironic, in a sad way, that acai turned out to be double-edged sword and made victims of its earlier successes.

    I’m not going to expect you to go too far out on a limb about how the nutritional value of acai compares to other fruits, but one thing you could comment on is the acai research by Monavie/Alexander Schauss/AIBMR, which is the source of Monavie’s claims about acai being a superfruit. Are you aware that the ORAC value for their freeze-dried acai relative to other whole fruits was misrepresented because it didn’t take hydration into account – in other words, if standardized for water content, the ORAC of freeze-dried acai (1027) is NOT remarkably higher than that of other fruits.

    So what’s on your mind Ed? Let’s talk. I’m curious to hear anything you have to say about acai, Monavie, competitors…really, whatever is on your mind…I’m all ears. You can even take the fifth if/when you feel it’s necessary. I really give you huge props for showing up here. Dallin Larceny never had the guts to make an appearance, or even send a delegate (other than some trifling little peon named Shante, an executive’s daughter, who added bupkis to the dialog).

  14. Vogel Says:

    Thanks for pointing out that May 24 post from Ed, Lazyman. No one ever responded to his post, but I remember thinking at the time that there was nothing said that I would disagree with; all the points made were legitimate. Looking forward to some interesting discussion from Ed going forward; and as you pointed out, it would be best to conduct it here on this forum rather than offline.

  15. Food Tech in CA Says:

    Ed, I can see how you would take offence to being mentioned in the same paragraph with MonaVie (who wouldn’t?). Vogel already mentioned the ethical differences in the two companies, and you should get credit where credit is due. However, having said that, your company, like many other promoters of “superjuices” is still guilty of misleading the public on the nutritional advantages of acai (or other “superfruits”) over common produce. My first question would be: why is the ORAC value of the 10.5 oz. bottle of Sambazon listed as 5,000 to 15,000? That’s quite a range. This tells me two possibilities. Either the acai product you are using is from different suppliers (likely) and the quality differs greatly. Or, the operation that manufactures the product for you doesn’t have the technical expertise to correctly standardize a batch.

    My next question is pretty simple: why buy any “superjuice”, when a serving has a lower ORAC score than a simple apple? The 10.5 oz. bottle is a pretty large serving size for a fruit juice. Most, average 6-8 oz. That must be taken into account when comparing nutritional values.

    And finally, where can I find the scientific documentation of not only the ORAC value of your product, but the anthocyanin levels? Anthocyanins are a good indicator of acai levels in a product, so I would expect the test results will verify that.

    I appreciate you responding here. No one from MonaVie would ever have done the same.

  16. Mackwiz Says:

    Ed,

    I honestly think that if anything, we have spoken positively of your company and have given it an honest review (Vogel’s comments say it all). I know it sucks to have to be compared to MonaVie but in all honesty when I view this page I think “buy Sambazon instead”.

  17. Rasheed Says:

    MackWiz, I think Ed may be referring to the MonaVie distributor’s blogpost. I didn’t see anything negative about Sambazon in this JS article either.

    Of course, the distributor is highly misinformed about Sambazon.

  18. Vogel Says:

    …but if he doesn’t come back and talk to us, that might change!

  19. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    Exactly!

    I have to say that I’m with Food Tech on this one….none of these juices are remotely an adequate substitute for fresh fruit and they certainly aren’t what I’d personally consider for my family.

  20. Rasheed Says:

    In terms of being “superjuice,” iI probably wouldn’t recommend it. In terms of being juice, as long as it is competitively priced to other fruit juices (and tastes good too!), I wouldn’t mind drinking it. After all, juice is juice. I drink it when I’m thirsty. And I wouldn’t mind a couple of ORAC points for drinking ssomething id drink anyway. It doesn’t replace anything in my diet, but it never hurts to have a bit extra for the days I forget to buy apples at the store (and am too lazy to do so!)

    I know Ed’s getting these emails. He stated that already, unless he unsubscribed himself. I don’t see anything wrong with this article; if anything, it says “drink Sambazon instead of MonaVie!”then at least you can go, “hey you know that juice MonaVie? I have a juice that’s better than it and cheaper!”

    Lazyman is pretty much advertising for you, Ed!

  21. Vogel Says:

    I think we’re all pretty much on the same page. All a juice has to do to fulfill expectations is be liquidy, capable of quenching thirst, taste OK, show the ingredients on the label, and not be overly expensive. Manufacturers go out on a limb when they promise much more than that. The whole superfruit concept is marketing BS, but a lot of mainstream bev makers exploit it to some extent. Sambazon doesn’t seem to be much/any more guilty of this than other retail companies, although I would prefer that they all drop the BS and just market the product based on taste, price, ingredients, and quality. Drop the antioxidant angle altogether — it’s a fading fad; science is providing more and more evidence that supplementing with antioxidants willy-nilly may be useless at best and harmful at worst.

    we all seem to agree that fresh whole fruits and veggies are the ideal, but still, a glass of good juice a day (grapefruit, OJ, grape, and pomegranate are my favorites) is OK and counts as ONE daily F/V serving.

  22. Vogel Says:

    BTW, Ed, I should add that I purposely avoid buying ANY acai-based product based on all the senseless hype and BS. Fix that, and you might make a customer out of me someday. Blame Monavie and the supplement scammers.

  23. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    HA! I’m so with you on that Vogel – Monavie has really put a foul taste in my mouth concerning all these acai products (and fruit juices in general actually).

    I do accept people like to drink fruit juice and if you’re going to drink it, it’s not unreasonable want one that’s as healthy as a fast food can possibly be.

    I get frustrated to no end to see fruit juices being misleadingly promoted as a “superjuice” or on par with fresh food because we all know they’re simply not.

    p.s When I eat out and want a juice, I always ask for freshly squeezed – delicious!

  24. Food Tech in CA Says:

    I agree, if the customer is getting a product at a reasonable price, then I won’t have any issues. Freedom of choice on that. But like Vogel said, drop the marketing BS. Describing ORAC and superjuices, tend to make the consumer think that they can get away from eating fresh fruits and vegetables because these “superjuices” are better for you. They aren’t. But if you want to supplement your diet, it certainly is better than sodas. And yes, the mainstream food and beverage companies are just as guilty as the specialty products. We need tougher food labeling laws, not weaker.

  25. Rasheed Says:

    I just find it really ironic that all of these “healthy” drinks are really making America less healthy…

    With the way the media portrays how healthy fruit juices are, more and more people are beginning to believe that they can have their “fast fruit” with just a glass of OJ or something…

  26. Skanda Says:

    Hey Guys,

    Very sorry for the delay in getting back to you! I’ve been out at the American Dietetic Show in Boston and am now at the Yoga Journal conference in Florida…

    Just after receiving your replies to my latest email, I wrote for an hour hoping to answer all the concerns expressed on this blog only to loose it all just as I was wrapping it all up (classic).

    Firstly, I’d like to confirm that I was the sender of the email from back in April/May… I’d forgotten writing it.

    Now on to attempting to address some of the questions brought up in the posts… BTW I was only bummed when I happen to read the rat comment but know better than take it personally… We certainly aren’t perfect anyways!

    With respect to using the word superfood or superfruit… yes, this is obviously an unscientific word/phrase. I do think it is fitting with respect to acai in that when I first visited the Amazon to research acai (back in 2000), I was told that of the 200+ edible species of fruits in the local amazon ecosystem (the floodplains), acai was considered to be the most powerful (I know, powerful is also an unscientific word and I feel the pain of those of you who are academics – I was educated as a Biologist). In addition, when you eat acai, you’re only eating the skin and what little pulp lies beneath it; and so, the anthocyanin portion of the resulting pulp is concentrated by virtue of the fruits anatomy… you may also be familiar with the richness of fatty acids coming from the fruit, the ratio of which very closely resembles that of olive oil… I do think it is novel that acai delivers both a richness of anthocyanins and healthy fats; that is to say, acai can be justified as being called a superfruit for delivering these two nutritional benefits from one fruit… also noteworthy – acai has the essential amino acid ratio of an egg and is a dense source of micronutrients.

    Now, with respect to the paradigm of, why wouldn’t I just eat fruit from the produce section and save my money… a very valid point!.. Being vegetarian and having the utmost respect for the principles of macrobiotics, one certainly can’t go wrong making such a choice…

    When you look closely at our juices, you’ll see that the cost/oz does not compare well to eating raw fruits and veggies. This being said, the juices do deliver a high degree of potency and authenticity when compared to packaged juices in the premium juice category. The range of antioxidants stated for our juices is due to the different blends we use… some blends yield higher ORACs than others. We process all our own acai at our plant that is situated right on the equator away from the city of Belem… truly in the center of the acai harvest… use google earth if you’re interested to see Amapa, BR. I’m confident that if you all hung out for us for a week at our corporate offices in San Clemente or at our factory in Brazil you’d be super stoked!

    So, the juices are a finished packaged good that were designed to be potent, delicious and convenient. What I eat is 2 packs of our Pure pulp or Pure Fuzion in my blended acai bowl each morning. I’d love to be able to blend you all bowls each morning for a couple weeks, take you through a yoga and or surf session so you can see why we love acai so much. There’s an ephemeral and unquantifiable quality/power to the fruit that goes beyond deduction. This is what we try to convey through our brand.. this sense of inspiration and positivity rather than trying to make unnecessary claims…

    And lastly (for now), we started Sambazon when we realized that the native people in the amazon make more money selling the fruit that wood… it was this fact that gave us the real light bulb moment. We realized that if we could create a market for acai in N. America, we could have a dynamic of market driven conservation. We named our company sambazon as an imperfect acronym for saving and managing the brazilian amazon so we’d be constantly reminded of our intentions… since the company began what was about a decade ago, our extractive reserve has grown to 2 million acres and there are around 10k people harvesting under fair trade.

    I’m sorry for my typos and run-on sentences and for not answering all of your questions but I have to run for my evening meditation and dinner before serving more bowls to the yoga crowd over the next few days. I’ll see if I can post an antho score for our pulp as well… BTW – We avoid using ORAC in our marketing because it’s so easy to fudge and we know people are doing it by virtue of everything from sodium benzoate to grape seed extract… we just try to serve up the freshest, most potent products possible.

    Your in all things Acai,

    -ed

  27. Skanda Says:

    Hey Guys – I’m sorry it’s taken me so long to reply! I’ve written 2 x 1hour replies only to accidentally loose the first one strangely and then the second just now when the server apparently ‘encountered and error’ (classic)…

    Well, I have to run now but will try to answer everyone’s question again another time (saving in a word doc first this time).

    Are you sure one of you doesn’t want to call me and then transcribe our conversation. I’m not trying to hide anything, I”m just pressed for time in-between trade show travel. My cell is 949 244 5651.

    Warmly,

    -ed

  28. Skanda Says:

    Nice, I can see now that my second long one did post – hurray!

    -ed

  29. Vogel Says:

    Yah Ed, I like the whole crunchy granola/Amazonian surfer-lifestyle angle of Sambazon’s marketing. But like I said, all acai companies get tarred by the brush that Monavie wielded so ineptly. It would behoove us all to unite and change the situation. Let’s get past the marketing veneer and talk about some of real meatier issues. Surprise me; tell me something I don’t know. And don’t pull any punches for Monavie. Silence on that issue disturbs me.

  30. Food Tech in CA Says:

    Ed, I’m a bottom line numbers person, so I’ll get right to it. There was a study by the Center for Human Nutrition, David Geffen School of Medicine, UCLA. It was published in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, 2008, 56, 1415-1422. Comparison of Antioxidant Potency of Commonly Consumed Polyphenol-Rich Beverages in the United States.

    One of the products tested under the acai juice category, was Sambazon Mango Uprising (lot ASA07029 APR 2007, lot 0610T HA16PTK13, 4/7/2007, lot ASA07073 12 JUN 2007).

    The study found that this product had an ORAC average of 17.1 umoles/ml. That’s even less than ORAC-anemic MonaVie (22.81 umoles/ml.), and well behind Black Cherry Juice (25.3 umoles/ml.), Blueberry Juice (20.6 umoles/ml.), Concord Grape Juice (25.9 umoles/ml.), and Pomegranate Juice (25 umoles/ml.). I can see why you don’t advertise your ORAC. The average phenolic content of acai juices (all brands) was 2.1 mg/ml. Blueberry juice was 2.3 mg/ml., Concord Grape Juice was 2.6 mg/ml., and Pomegranate Juice was 3.8 mg/ml.

    One red delicious apple (150 gm. avg) will give you an ORAC value of 6,413 umoles. An 8 oz. glass of Sambazon Mango Uprising will give you an ORAC value of 3,034 umoles.

    So, again, fruit juices do not compare to fruits. Please stop insisting that these are some type of super juices. They are not. If anyone wants to drink your product, I have no objections, because the price is far more reasonable than MonaVie. But super, it is not.

  31. Skanda Says:

    Responding to “Food Tech in CA” posted Dec 7th @ 7:58pm…

    Yup, as you may or may not have noticed, the UCLA study was a bit of a mess… It compares mixed juices with fresh fruit and in some cases dry powder. We also believe there could be significant methodological flaws as well… BTW, The Co-Investigator of the study has a POM connection… Needless to say, the study was, well less than scientific if you catch my drift.

    If you were going to compare pure fruits, why would you have selected our Acai/Mango blend rather than our Pure Pulp? This is a rhetorical question BTW : )

    That’s right… fruit juices compare to fruit juices and fruits to fruits. Weather something is super is subjective (not scientific). Both sides of my brain rest assured that our products are indeed super (fresh, potent, organic, fair trade, yummy, driving ecological sustainability etc.)

    I really think you’d like our Pure Pulp Smoothie packs! They yield over 10,000 ORAC/3.5oz (100g) individual smoothie pack.

    Thank you for your candid opinions – I mean it!

    I’m happy to share that we have a clinical trial (controlled human pilot study) about to publish showing real world benefit in our acai lowering blood sugar and insulin.

    TBC & Happy Holidays All,

    -skanda

  32. Food Tech in CA Says:

    Skanda, please read the study. The comparisons are for juices, iced tea, and red wine. No fresh fruit was compared, nor were any dry powders analyzed. The study seems to be valid, in my opinion. If you have some issues with the methodology, please be specific.

    As for your pure pulp smoothie pack, please cite the analysis which validated your claim. Also, if you wish to post ORAC scores from any of your any beverages, please do so. Again, no offense, but I need verifiable data, not marketing propaganda.

    Forgive me for not believing any of the nonsense the fad juice people throw around. Show me the facts.

  33. Jeremy Says:

    Hey F–kers! Leave Sambazon alone… They are the s–t! And they do business the way it should be done. At least they don’t scam a 100K people into buying a shit load of their product with the idea that they are gonna be rich.

    Plus, can you eat granola with monavie? I don’t think so!!

  34. Mackwiz Says:

    Great argument Jeremy, I didn’t realize Sambazon is the s–t. If I had known, I would have prostrated myself to them as well.

    Compared to MonaVie, Sambazon is saintly, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t stand up to scientific analysis. What we are trying to do is cut through the BS and as Food Tech said, get real data instead of marketing propaganda.

    That being said, I do drink Sambazon from time to time, and I have no real ill will towards it, so I am not sure where your belligerent attitude comes from, as no one has really said anything about the product other than to put it on the testing table.

  35. Mackwiz Says:

    Here is a MLM site commenting on ASEA:

    http://mlmblog.net/site/2010/02/asea-scam.html

    If you read the comments, you will find it almost identical to the way MonaVie is both criticized and promoted… hmmm…

    Could this not be the “salt water of a thousand truths”? I was so pumped for it’s redox molecules to wash down my gullet and cure all my ailments in one swift stroke.

    Here’s a good e-mail signature:
    “NOT ALL MLMs ARE PYRAMID SCAMS. I agree… most are! But this is REAL!” -Whiplash, ASEA believer in the one true MLM

  36. Mr. Jackson Says:

    I have been drinking Monavie for over a year now. I am financially sound so the money making part was of no interest. I suffer from Crohn’s disease which I have had for over 15 years. With this I can become very tired, I have lots of stomach pain and arthritic type symptoms. I am one of those people that will try it for myself and if works it works if not I will move on. After a week of drinking the Monavie Active and (m)Mun I felt better then I have in years and then tried their weight loss stuff and lost over 25lbs. After a month I started to cut back on some of my meds and have had less issues and pain then ever. Mornings use to be the worst time of the day now its my favorite. Yes the stuff is very expensive and I spend upwards of $300 a month by the time I buy for myself and family.

    Now to my question: Has anyone in this blog tried both Monavie and Sambazon? If so, can you tell me if you had the same response from Sambazon as you did with Monavie? If so please respond. I’m no idiot, if I can spend less and get the same results I am happy to switch to Sambazon or any other product that will effect me as much as Monavie has. I don’t give a crap about numbers, this and thats and who say’s what. I just want results and if I can do it at lower cost then great, maybe I will spend the extra money on more product to give away and spread the word because yes “acai” is a SUPERFRUIT!!! in more ways then I would have ever believed.

    Respectfully,

    J.

  37. MonaVie Scam Says:

    A lot of people claim to be financially sound when they really aren’t. Many people thought they were financially sound until a stock market crash and housing bubble crash in the last few years. Maybe you’ve got millions of dollars in a money bin. In that case, I say go for it. Nearly $5000 a year for fruit juice is up there. At least you can buy it on Ebay and save a ton of money.

    Mr. Jackson, as you probably know MonaVie is not medicine and it can’t help you with pain or arthritic symptoms. There have been many studies (you can see a few cited at here) that show glucosamine to being no better than placebo with arthritic symptoms.

    Furthermore, it has been shown that MonaVie provides little nutrition.

    When you use the “I’ll just try it” line of thinking, you are opening yourself up to the placebo effect.

    There is little evidence that acai is a superfruit. The term superfruit isn’t scientific. I could say an apple is a superfruit and we’d have to agree that it is just as super as acai since there is no definition.
    If you really want acai, you shouldn’t get it in juice form. When a fruit is juiced much of the fiber is stripped away in the processing. Costco has some dark chocolate-acai bites that would give you more superfruit at a likely better price if you indeed decide to go that way.

 
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