Illegal Lies from Monavie Distributor Jeff Cordeiro

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[This post is 99% the work of frequent commenter Vogel and is told from his point of view. You can find the inspiration of this post at my original MonaVie post.]

I came across this horrifying claim from an active Monavie distributor by the name of Jeff Cordeiro, who resides in Santa Clarita, CA.

“Reduce the Risk of Heart Disease: According to the USDA, 85% of all chronic or degenerative diseases are caused by oxidative stress or free radical activity. A Double Blind study by Dr. Lou Niles and Dr. Michael Fay shows that MonaVie increases antioxidant activity within the body and cells, and successfully combats oxidative stress; therefore, if used regularly, MonaVie will protect the body from diseases in general and, per this study, heart disease (which is our number one killer) in particular.”

This sickens me! It is a perfect illustration of what the Monavie business is all about. First of all, it’s illegal for a distributor to advertise Monavie as a preventive measure for any disease, and yet Cordeiro does so explicitly. Secondly, The USDA has never said that 85% of chronic diseases are caused by free radicals. Third, Lou Niles and Michael Fay NEVER conducted ANY study on Monavie of any kind. Lastly, Monavie distributor/spokesman Lou Niles is a habitual-offender rapist and child molester, not to mention a doctor-impersonating con-man, and as of late, a prisoner in Nassau County jail.

Corediro also makes this claim:

“Boost the Immune System: MonaVie (M)mūn has been clinically shown to promote proper immune function.”

In fact, no clinical study on Mmun has ever been published anywhere. I had to stop reading at that point for fear that I would vomit and punch a hole in my monitor. I’ll look over the rest of Cordeiro’s disgusting website later. But I couldn’t resist the urge to find out a bit more about Cordeiro and why he may have chosen to become a liar and a thief; and then I found the answer. Cordeiro was one of those fly-by-night mortgage refinancers (and we all know how well-loved and respected they are). That scam ran its course, and not surprisingly, Cordeiro simply switched to a new con game — Monavie!

Corediro is just another lying piece of crap desperado who will take money from people any way he can. His story is so typical of Monavie. Detritus and useless flotsam like Cordeiro always seem to wash up on Monavie’s shore.

Originally posted 2010-07-13 20:12:36. Republished by Blog Post Promoter

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43 Responses to “Illegal Lies from Monavie Distributor Jeff Cordeiro”
  1. Jeff Cordeiro Says:

    I don’t know who you are but unless you retract your comments, I will find out and there will be a lawsuit.

    Eveything stated on my website has been thoroughly researched and is verifiable. You, on the other hand, have done no research.

    Augusta Financial is one of the most respected mortgage brokers in the Santa Clarita Valley. You, sir, are no better than most shock-jocks, praying on the fears of others.

    Our country is in desperate need of a healthier lifestyle and I provide the information that allows people to take charge of their lives and take control of their health.

    I have been using MonaVie for almost two years and have had fantastic results but MonaVie is just one component in an overall healthy lifestyle.

    I’ve owned a coffee business and a clothing store, as well. I pride myself on providing my customers with the best possible products and the best possible service.

    I doubt that these comments will ever make it to your site but I know you’re going to read them. So, take down the comments before I am forced to use any more of my time dealing with your lies.

    Try running your business with a little honor and integrity, if you can.

  2. MonaVie Scam Says:

    I will not be retracting the comments.

    Your website clearly makes illegal medical claims (and false ones too) about MonaVie as stated in my article. Trust me, you don’t want to find me and bring about a lawsuit and have these lies come out in a court of law. I have taken a screenshot of your website, so even if you clean up your illegal activities, I have proof.

    Don’t tell me about running a business with honor and integrity while your business breaks the law and is set up to fraud people out of their hard earned money.

    If you are concerned about our country’s health… ditch MonaVie as it historically has little vitamins, minerals, and fiber…. things that you can get from unprocessed fruit. It may be fortified with the above (minus the minerals), but fruit is healthier.

    (Please note that MonaVie can not be “used” as you say. It is a juice which one drinks. You don’t use it any more than you would milk or soda.)

  3. Jeff Cordeiro Says:

    Well, this will be my last reply. You obviously wish to hide behind your website anonymously. At least, a shock-jock has the guts to identify himself.

    It became clear to me that you are simply too far out there to debate. Anyone who believes that BP simply made an honest mistake in the gulf and that MonaVie is intentionally trying to harm people is clearly not someone who is capable of holding a rational conversation. Do you ever check facts?

    There is nothing illegal on my site as you have claimed. I was going to debate each point one by one but, based on your previous posts and the replies to them, no fact or statistic that you don’t agree with would be proof enough for you.

    For someone who has no financial stake or grudge against MonaVie as you claim, you certainly spend a great deal of time bashing them. I wonder what your real story is. You must have a great deal to hide.

  4. Vogel Says:

    Lawsuit based on what? Pointing out that you are a blatant liar and in gross violation of section 201(g)(1) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act [21 U.S.C. § 321(g)(1)]. That you are citing a study that doesn’t exist and which you attributed to a source (Lou Niles) who is now in prison for child molestation and who previously conspired with Jason Lyons to defraud consumers by pretending to be a doctor and claiming that Monavie cures cancer?

    Considering the staggering number of false, misleading, and illegal statements you made in that one article, you should be showing extreme contrition, not threatening to sue like a belligerent a$$hole.

    Here are a few examples of your larcenous statements:

    “A recent study stated that 95% of all Americans are malnourished.”

    -. No such study supports this general statement. It’s misleading fear mongering.

    “MonaVie radically improved my health – my joint pains and knotted muscles are virtually gone, my cholesterol levels are the best they’ve ever been and my skin is softer and younger looking than it’s been in years. Colds and the flu are virtually a thing of the past. MonaVie is the most important product I can tell you about. I would give up food before I gave up MonaVie and it appears as though I am not alone.”

    – These statements violate the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act as well as the terms of your distributor contract

    “touted by everyone from Dr. Perricone to Oprah and the açai in MonaVie is the highest quality açai available”

    – Monavie just settled a lawsuit filed by Oprah/Harpo because people like you were fraudulently using her name to promote the juice — and yet you’re still doing it.

    “Just four ounces a day have the antioxidant equivalent of over a dozen servings of fruit and vegetables. I couldn’t even get the recommended 5-6 servings of fruit and vegetables into my diet prior to this.”

    – False/misleading. And you are not allowed to claim equivalency between Monavie and real fruit/vegetables. At best, 4 oz of Monavie provides about a half serving.

    “Plus, the nutritional value of the fruits and vegetables in our grocery stores is questionable at best.”

    – BS! Our fruits and vegetables are fine and you shouldn’t be trying to discourage consumption in lieu of fraud juice. The produce in grocery stores is a far cry better and more nutritious than the crap, processed, preservative-laced ingredients that are thrown into a Monavie bottle. Your misleading statements are indefensible.

    “It is now recognized that 5000-6000 antioxidants a day are needed for good health.”

    – Blatantly false. This statement seems to be based on the notion of 5000-6000 “ORAC units” (not “antioxidants”) per day, but you took that notion and distorted it to the point of absurdity.

    “Not only are the juices in MonaVie straight from nature but, because the nutrients are in juice form and not pill form, the bio-availability is many, many times greater.”

    – By “nature”??? There’s nothing natural about a cargo ship delivering barrels of frozen acai puree and juice concentrates purchased from common bulk manufacturers in Brazil, or dousing those ingredients with sodium benzoate so that they’ll survive unrefrigerated for a year. There is no evidence whatsoever (nor reason to even speculate) that nutrients in Monavie are more bioavailable than those in pills.

    “Every other fruit used in MonaVie is equally as organic.”

    – Monavie doesn’t contain ANYTHING that meets with USDA regulations for organic ingredient claims. False organic claims are punishable by fines of $11,000 per incident.

    “For the average consumer, MonaVie costs about half the price of a meal at their favorite fast food place, yet MonaVie provides three times the nutrients and antioxidants of all the food they will consume for the day.”

    False and misleading. Monavie is not a meal substitute as you implied, nor does it even contain anywhere near the equivalent antioxidants or nutrients in one’s daily diet.

    “According to the USDA, 85% of all chronic or degenerative diseases are caused by oxidative stress or free radical activity.”

    – Simply false.

    “A Double Blind study by Dr. Lou Niles and Dr. Michael Fay shows that MonaVie increases antioxidant activity within the body and cells, and successfully combats oxidative stress”

    – They never conducted ANY study. Niles, a Monavie distributor, is a convicted and currently-imprisoned child molester; a 2-time sex offender and perjurer who was court-martialed and booted from the National Guard; a doctor impersonator who stood on stage with Jason Lyons claiming that Monavie cures cancer. Shame on you!

    “therefore,if used regularly, MonaVie will protect the body from diseases in general and, per this study, heart disease (which is our number one killer) in particular.”

    – Again, a blatant violation of the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act as well as the terms of your distributor contract.

    “MonaVie Pulse was created specifically for cholesterol and cardiovascular concerns.”

    – No it wasn’t. The verbiage that you are allowed to use with regard to Monavie Pulse and its potential effects on cholesterol is extremely limited and spelled out clearly in Monavie’s FAQ; your statement is a far cry from the claims allowed by the FDA for products that contain plant sterols.

    “After using MonaVie for six months, I saw a decrease in my bad cholesterol of 19%, an increase in my good cholesterol of 9%, a decrease in my triglycerides of 15% and a decrease in my ratio of overall cholesterol to good cholesterol of almost 20%.”

    – And again, a violation of the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act as well as the terms of your distributor contract.

    “Neutralize Cancer”

    – Guess what? BS!!! Monavie doesn’t neutralize cancer nor are you allowed to say anything even remotely like this.

    “Minimize Arthritis/Joint Pain/Inflammation”

    – Three medical treatment claims; all illegal.

    “MonaVie also aids in detoxifying cells, helping to remove heavy metals, pesticides and other ‘immune complexes’ that cause the immune systems to attack joints.”

    – Monavie has never been shown to do anything even remotely like this.

    “Natural Sunscreen…In four to six weeks, your skin will be softer than it has been in years.”

    – More incredible unsupportable BS.

    It sickens me to witness someone who makes baseless litigious threats rather than taking responsibility for their own reprehensible behavior (i.e., using completely fabricated BS to exploit sick people for profit). You should be apologizing profusely for being such a lying, irresponsible a-hole, not threatening to sue anyone. It is you who is on very thin ice.

    Go F yourself vermin!

  5. Harry23 Says:

    Scam funny how u keep commenting on one product …..Meanwhile Monavie has added fiber to M-mun and now to all the other brands…..You are misleading people…….Your wife is a pharmacist and promotes drugs. No wonder you are bashing Monavie. Monavie helps people step outside your little website and try the product. You haven;t even tried it !!! LOL…….Just admit your wife was put on to Monavie you got scared and stared a little blog and then got some contributors and realized you could make some money off this site so you haven’t stopped. You don’t even anything truly about Monavie besides what people find on google lol.

  6. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    This is precisely the publicity that this farcical company and its representatives are deserving of taking into consideration the stystematic fraud that is being inflicted on consumers!!!

    I’ve said it before but there’s NO excuse for distributors continuing to make such claims!

    What a despicable piece of $hit.

  7. MonaVie Scam Says:

    It’s not funny how I keep commenting on one product. It’s the product that I know the most about. I’m only one person. If you want to contribute articles about other juice scams, please use the contact form and send me all the information to write similar articles and I’ll try schedule it in.

    MonaVie has added fiber to M-mun. You should note that the fiber that is being added was developed in drug lab. The fiber is not the fiber from the fruit itself.

    My wife does not promote drugs, she does compliance inspections for the government.

    My wife was not “put on MonaVie.” You can’t be put on juice. That phrase has been used with doctor’s prescribing medication.

    I think there’s enough information available on Google to keep me busy for quite some time. The article above and Vogel’s recent response to the pile of illegal activity is one excellent example.

  8. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    You don’t have to look too hard to find more atrocious and fraudulent promotion of the product – and in the below case, I didn’t have to travel further than Facebook:
    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=55858082678

    “MonaVie is a nutritional drink that consists of 19 different fruits from around the world. The Acai berry is it’s crown jewel. This amazing berry is off the charts in antioxidants and phytonutrients. It has been proven by scientists at the University of Florida to self destruct 36-86% of Leukimia cells.”

    “MonaVie Active is one of three different juices this company offers. Active is for Athletes or any active person. This juice is helps with quicker muscle recovery, joint aches and pains (arthritis, etc.), blood sugar (diabetes) and energy levels. “

    “MonaVie Pulse is the second of the three juices offered. The Pulse is for the heart. It has been FDA apporoved to help lower cholesterol. Also, anyone with high blood pressure, etc. should definetly give MonaVie pulse a shot because I personally have heard testimonies where this product has helped all of these things.”

    “MonaVie has also been said by consumers to lower the risk of Ovarian cancer, and help with Autism and ADHD. Overall MonaVie is an unbelievable product. Fruits are a key neccesity to the human body, that less than 10% of Americans actually get enough of. Just by drinking 4 ounces of MonaVie a day it is equivalent to eating 12-13 servings of fruits and vegetables. I have personally heard testimonies that say Monavie has helped with Psoriasis, arthritis, blood pressure, high cholesterol, and lower blood sugar.”

    Or the site of distributor, Bryan Romanow who has illegally posted testimonials concerning the effects of Monavie on arthritis, diabetes, ADHA and even autism!!!
    http://www.familyjuicebox.com/Monavie_Juice.html

    Or how about this horrendous site which not only contains several bogus testimonials on the “About Us” page, but still contains Oprah’s image on the “Home” page AND makes the claim that Monavie can cure cancer (amongst all the other illegal and FRAUDULENT claims).
    http://thejuicysecret.org/default.aspx

    I wonder precisely how many people such as my friend were lured into this SCAM after hearing claims such as the ones above being made – if a company is unable to control the message its distributors are spreading, then the company should be made to look at other means of distributing the product.

  9. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Jeff, you really aren’t worth responding to and Vogel did a great job of exposing your lies.

    I’m not a shock-jock, I simply expose people who try to scam other people. It is you with the misguided shock-jock health claims.

    Do you really think BP intended to spill all of it’s oil in the ocean? Yes, they could have handled it better, but there it was clearly an accident and one they are paying dearly for.

    Jeff, go ahead and try to debate each point one by one… you are using that “it wouldn’t be proof enough for you” as a way escape without admitting defeat.

  10. Jeff Cordeiro Says:

    I’ve dealt with people like you all my life. Guys like you are the greatest BS-artists in the world and can sell anything to anyone, including something like BP just had an accident.

    If you followed BP’s actions, as they were reported on CNN and written up in Newsweek (slightly more credible sources than some anonymous basher hiding behind a website), you would have seen that it was their greed that caused this disaster. Countless corners were cut and backroom deals made just to save a buck. The fact that they’re being billed for their mistakes this time doesn’t make me feel sorry for them.

    The oil industry is no better than the pharmaceutical industry or the medical industry or the industrial farming industry, etc. They only care about the bottom line. I care about people’s health and, after thorough research, I test my conclusions on myself to see if I am correct. Then and only then, do I relay that information to people.

    You wouldn’t know an honest man if he was standing right in front of you. People who actually know me know that I am the most honest person they will ever meet. Guys like you try to use that integrity against them. Unfortunately for you, I know your game and won’t play.

    I will respond to every one of the points you and Vogel took out of context on my website for anyone that is interested in the truth. I will not continue to waste time with you or add traffic to your site.

    I cannot speak to the information found on other sites. There are good and bad people in every walk of life. However, the Oprah thing you both mentioned had nothing to do with MonaVie and the settlement you spoke of addressed that. The people who were using her image to promote açai and a detox product were the problems.

    Because I don’t profit from ‘selling’ MonaVie and actually work for a living, it will take me a few days but the responses will be on my site and, unlike you, I will be happy to discuss issues, in person, with anyone. I, however, have no intention of wasting time on anyone who is so closed-minded that anything outside their little sphere of knowledge couldn’t possibly be true.

  11. Food Tech in CA Says:

    Jeff, please just prove this one point wrong:

    ONE single red delicious variety apple (150 gms.) has 2.4 times higher ORAC value than 4 oz. (days serving) of MonaVie Active.

    That’s all. One single point. Go for it.

    Leave out the MonaVie propaganda BS. Only scientific peer-reviewed studies or analysis.

  12. Jeff Cordeiro Says:

    @Food Tech

    Because everyone seems to list ORAC units differently and I have no idea how this site lists ORAC units from food to food (gram for gram, ounce for ounce, pound for pound, etc), I can only supply you with the link:
    http://oracvalues.com/sort/food
    (this was the first source I found and it seems to satisfy your requirements).

    As I’m sure you know, MonaVie is largely acai. So unless there is less than 1/4 oz of acai in 4 oz of MonaVie (if I’m doing the conversion correctly), the acai alone in MonaVie has more ORAC units than a Red Delicious Apple. However, there are 18 other fruits to account for and I personally think it’s that synergy that makes MonaVie work.

    Please don’t get me wrong, locally grown organic in-season fruits and vegetables that are right for your nutritional/geno/ancestral type are always best. Natural products are always superior to man-made. Unfortunately, most people don’t eat or can’t get enough fruits and vegetables that satisfy that description.

    So, supplements are needed and MonaVie can be a very beneficial addition to most diets. I take MonaVie everyday but I also eat the best fruits and vegetables that I can, when they are in-season. Apples are very beneficial for many reasons other than antioxidants.

  13. Food Tech in CA Says:

    Jeff, ORAC is expressed as umoles TE (trolox equivalent) usually per ml. or per gram.

    MonaVie’s AIBMR study (Dr. Schauss) lists the ORAC of MonaVie Active as 22.81 umoles/ml. This equates to 2,698 umoles for a 4 ounce serving.

    One apple (150 gms.) has an ORAC value of 6,413 umoles (USDA orac Table of Selected Foods). If you want to discuss polyphenols, then AIBMR shows a level of 1.48 mg/gm. which equates to 175 mg. for 4 ounces. One apple will have 520 mg. of polyphenols. (USDA).

    So, without going any further, MonaVie has been eliminated from contention for antioxidant strength.

    However, if you want to find other fruits and vegetables that easily surpass MonaVie, simply compare the AIBMR numbers to the ORAC data base from the USDA.

    This is really simple stuff. Before you share any more misinformation, I suggest you do a little research. It only takes a few minutes.

    If you don’t believe me, take the AIBMR results along with the USDA ORAC table to any registered dietician, and have it verified.

  14. Vogel Says:

    Cordeiro said: “If you followed BP’s actions…”

    Dude, why are you still going on about BP. You claimed that you were too busy and wouldn’t be responding about Monavie, but you have to time to waste arguing some pointless tangent about BP?

    Cordeiro said: “Because everyone seems to list ORAC units differently and I have no idea how this site lists ORAC units from food to food (gram for gram, ounce for ounce, pound for pound, etc), I can only supply you with the link: http://oracvalues.com/sort/food (this was the first source I found and it seems to satisfy your requirements).”

    That response is pathetic on so many levels.

    (1) Monavie has already published the ORAC score of the juice. It’s 22.8 TE units/mL (less if expressed per gram). That’s a very mediocre ORAC score in comparison with published ORAC scores for other foods (e.g., USDA database).

    (2) Food Tech asked you for scientific publications as evidence, but a website from any reputable source might have sufficed — however, you merely posted a link to a sketchy anonymously-registered website (oracscores.com) as your evidence. There is no source indicated for the data and they don’t even specify the units. And this is supposed to be evidence of what exactly? Monavie isn’t even listed. You didn’t even come close to addressing Food Tech’s challenge.

    (3) You said that the website you dug up was the “first source found”, indicating that you didn’t do your research BEFORE making all those idiotic claims, and you’re still not doing research now, judging by your pathetic responses.

    Cordeiro said: “As I’m sure you know, MonaVie is largely acai.”

    Now we don’t know. It’s obviously not. And the company doesn’t disclose the percentage of acai in the juice, so don’t go around stating such BS as though it were a truism.

    Cordeiro said: “Please don’t get me wrong, locally grown organic in-season fruits and vegetables that are right for your nutritional/geno/ancestral type are always best.”

    Now you’re hedging — but you didn’t mention anything remotely like that on your website when you were bashing fruit and vegetables and saying how impossible it was for you to eat even 5 servings. Remember? You said: ‘I couldn’t even get the recommended 5-6 servings of fruit and vegetables into my diet prior to this…Plus, the nutritional value of the fruits and vegetables in our grocery stores is questionable at best.’

    Cordeiro said: “Natural products are always superior to man-made. Unfortunately, most people don’t eat or can’t get enough fruits and vegetables that satisfy that description.”

    So what? Even if that were true, your BS juice is NOT a substitute for fresh produce. And Monavie doesn’t come close to being “natural” – it is man-made, heavily processed, and laced with preservatives.

    Cordeiro said: “So, supplements are needed and MonaVie can be a very beneficial addition to most diets.”

    Food Tech asked you to present credible evidence about ORAC. You completely avoided answering him. Lame! Know when to concede.

  15. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    Jeff Cordeiro states “As I’m sure you know, MonaVie is largely acai. So unless there is less than 1/4 oz of acai in 4 oz of MonaVie (if I’m doing the conversion correctly), the acai alone in MonaVie has more ORAC units than a Red Delicious Apple. However, there are 18 other fruits to account for and I personally think it’s that synergy that makes MonaVie work.”

    Again, we’re subjected to Monavie propaganda – I hope Jeff’s “sphere of research” went beyond what Monavie have spoon fed him!

    Jeff, thanks for providing the link which I note has freeze dried acai listed at the top – not due to having the highest ORAC (as there are ordinary spices such as clove, cinnamon and oregano which have from 1.5 times to 3 times the ORAC of freeze dried acai), but because it is listed first alphabetically.

    FYI – the ORAC score of the food listed within your link and in the USDA Table of Selected Foods are represented per 100gm.

    One thing that appears to have escaped your attention is the freeze dried acai is not Monavie and Monavie is not freeze dried acai.

    Rather than relying on your guess-timate of what’s in Monavie (none of us including you is privy to that information), I refer you to Dr Schauss’ own report which confirms that per ml, Monavie has an ORAC score of 22.81 (see the below link to that report and refer to the 4th page for confirmation of same). That is, a total of 2698 in a day’s serving (29.57ml x 4 x 22.81).
    http://www.juicescam.com/docs/monavie-aibmr.pdf

    Food Tech has already provided a direct comparison between an ordinary 150gm apple and the daily serving of Monavie using the data provided by the USDA Table of Selected Foods and Dr Schauss – the apple wins hands down. As do other everyday fruit such as plums, strawberries and even some babyfood.
    http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-vs-an-apple/

    Unless you have further scientific evidence that proves otherwise, you’re not going to be able to respond to Food Tech’s query.

    It surprises me that you would require days to respond to the points raised by Vogel – particularly given that Vogel was able to respond to your comments within the day (I suspect Vogel has already forgotten more about Monavie that most distributors will ever know).

    Although, it doesn’t surprise me that you’re not profiting from selling Monavie – it is a given and mathematically pre-determined that nearly all participants in product based pyramid schemes such as Monavie, except for the very few that got in first, will lose.

    I look forward to you correcting the illegal and misleading claims on your site – particularly given its claims such as these which had influence on the decision of people such as my friend to invest in the product and company, mistaken beliefs and a decision which have resulted in losses he has sustained.

  16. Jeff Cordeiro Says:

    Boys, boys, boys. I have done the research. It takes much more than a few minutes. I have mentioned time and time again on my site the importance of locally grown organic in-season fresh fruits and veggies for a person’s type. I am open to all new information and I have personal experience with the things I discuss. How about you?

    MonaVie worked for me but I am not saying it is a magic potion any more than an apple is the superfruit for everyone on the planet. I don’t know what you have against MonaVie but don’t use your personal grudge to bash something that has helped so many people. It’s very easy to throw stones. I prefer to try and help people get healthy. With all your expertise, I doubt you ever get sick. Hopefully, you’re sharing that with people.

    All information is subject to opinion. For every ‘expert’ with one opinion, there is another ‘expert’ with the opposite opinion. Based on your positions, I’m going to guess you still believe that chemotherapy is good for a cancer patient and that no one should ever go out in the sun. I do not and more and more people today are realizing that the declining health of our citizens is due to going along with the recommendations of the old established guard (FDA, CDC, WHO, USDA, AMA, etc.). If you think for one minute that they are delivering the absolute truth, you are either very young or very naive.

    To Health and Happiness

  17. MonaVie Scam Says:

    I’ve been away from the computer (and will continue to be for a day or so), but I just approved Aussie’s comment above. I will respond to Jeff’s points as soon as I am able to.

  18. Humiliated Says:

    Jeff. You say that you wouldn’t know an honest man if he stood in front of you. You have GOT to be kidding.I was involved with MV for 1.5 years and I am still reeling from all of the lies that I was told about the product/business. I can also say, without a doubt, that my upline were fed the information that they passed along to me from those pieces of $hit Larsen & Hart. Blaming the individual distributors for misusing information is ridiculous, since they were hand fed this information at conventions etc.. The ONLY reason I became involved in this was because I trusted the people that sucked me in, which is what Hart & Larsen rely on.

    When I chose to discontinue drinking the “juice”, I researched the literature and found that MV’s own “studies” by Dr. Schauss prove that MV is nutritionally void. Yet, you sit there and say it is chock full-o-nutrition. I was paying $160 a month for crap and so are the people you are sucking into purchasing this “juice” and you call US the liars?

    I am an intelligent person (although I must say, that could be called into question having been sucked into this scam) and when I did the research I read all of the articles, then I read about a year’s worth of blogs on these sites, just to make sure that no one had an ulterior motive (ie. selling another “juice” or “supplement”, or in cahoots with the pharmaceutical industry etc. )and I found that this element didn’t exist. I was profoundly disturbed when I found out about all of the lies, and that I had unwittingly conned others into wasting their money on this product. BTW, everyone I sucked into this, has stopped drinking it because it did NOTHING for them. I repeat NOTHING! I was embarrassed when they told me this.

    But, you know what? You will choose not to research the scientific evidence with an open mind because for every objection that is made on this blog, Hart & Larsen have anticipated and formulated a response (read LIE) and you will buy into it without question. If we speak out against the product, we are “haters” and want to “ruin your dreams”. I want you to have your dreams, I just want you to pursue them ethically.

    Humiliated

  19. Food Tech in CA Says:

    Jeff wrote: “All information is subject to opinion. For every ‘expert’ with one opinion, there is another ‘expert’ with the opposite opinion”

    **Jeff, this isn’t complicated stuff here. My opinion is the number 6,413 is larger than the number 2,648. If you have an “expert” that can dispute that, please present him.

  20. Vogel Says:

    Cordeiro said: “Eveything stated on my website has been thoroughly researched and is verifiable… There is nothing illegal on my site as you have claimed.”

    That’s 100% false. There are numerous statements on your website, which I have outlined, that are clearly illegal and at least a dozen more that are simply inaccurate, misleading, and reckless. And aside from the obvious fact that your statements violate the US Food and Drug Act, they also clearly and inarguably violate the terms of your distributor contract, Monavie’s policies and procedures, and the guidelines spelled out in the company’s compliance training (Distributor Basics), which are as follows:

    “PRODUCT CLAIMS: It’s time to talk about product claims. We all love the MonaVie products, they are great! But don’t get carried away and say things you shouldn’t. You may not make any claims or personal testimonials that state that MonaVie cures diseases, is therapeutic, is a treatment, mitigates, or is used to diagnose or prevent any disease, illness, or condition. If you say anything like that, not only are you violating MonaVie’s rules, you are also violating laws and regulations in your country. You can actually make the claims found in MonaVie’s official literature or literature approved by MonaVie, but you cannot use any literature that talks about diseases to promote MonaVie. Not even if they only mention the acai berry. Those are called ‘implied claims’ and violate the law.”
    http://mvu-usa.com/usa/training-courses/compliance-basics-text/

    “You cannot make or use any type of testimonial even if you believe it to be true. It can’t be substantiated, therefore cannot be used.”
    http://mvu-usa.com/usa/training-courses/create-an-online-presence/certification-to-create-an-online-presence-text/

    “4.1.1 Product Claims. You may make claims about the Products that are in the Official MonaVie Materials of the country for which it is approved. You shall not make claims about the Product that are not in the Official MonaVie Materials.”
    http://media.monavie.com/pdf/australia/policies_procedures.pdf

    A lengthy list of other things that you cannot say about Monavie are covered in this company document, which I suggest you familiarize yourself with thoroughly, as it conflicts with almost every statement you made about Monavie on your website.
    http://media.monavie.com/Training/Flash/product/International_Product_Claims.pdf

    Your best bet would have been to quietly remove the false and illegal claims from your website after they were exposed here and simply say nothing, except perhaps a sincere apology. But instead, you acted like an unrepentant, arrogant, litigious, bigmouth.

    So here is the deal that you’ll be getting from me Jeff. On Monday morning, I’ll contact the FDA and provide them with a very carefully articulated complaint (along with screenshots and archived HTML files) about the offensive material on your website; others here may wish to do the same. If you have faith in the legality and accuracy of your claims, simply do nothing and let the FDA do what they will. I’ll also notify Monavie LLC about the FDA complaint and make them aware of the claims on your website. If they choose do nothing about it, they will be fully responsible for any repercussions that arise from the FDA complaint. And lastly, I’ll let the FDA know that I contacted the company and advised them that a complaint was filed with the FDA in response to your advertising claims.

    My guess is that you won’t have the intestinal fortitude to leave those claims on your site for long, and if you are foolish enough to not take corrective action of your own accord, you will be forced to do so by outside agencies. Fair enough? It’s more than you deserve after trying to ripoff those who are ailing and desperate.

  21. Humiliated Says:

    I shall be doing the same Vogel.

    Also, Jeff, if you knew about “Dr.” (I get bile in my throat just typing that) Lou Niles, his criminal history (hello, he is a convicted rapist), the fact that he is NOT a doctor & does NOT cure cancer then you should burn in hell along with that f*ckwit Niles and his cronies, Hart & Larsen. If you DIDN’T know this, then I suggest you take heed and remove that information IMMEDIATELY.

    Humiliated

  22. Vogel Says:

    Jeff’s known about Niles background for AT LEAST a couple of days now, but his pathetic website still touts the non-existent study by this dosctor-impersonating child rapist. These scum F-ers are completely unapologetic, even when the get caught red-handed.

  23. Jeff Cordeiro Says:

    @Aussie. I agree that Vogal and company know a tremendous amount about MonaVie. I wonder why that is, if they have nothing to gain as they claim. I am sorry about your friend but the truth is that most businesses fail and an MLM business is the least costly. Most people are not cut out to be self-employed. I have paid a higher price than most but I don’t blame “business”. I do, however, have a huge distrust for governmental agencies.

    In my lifetime, there have been far too many instances where government and industry made backroom deals that ended up costing us all.

    I was with you right up to the pyramid scheme reference. You may wish to do a little research on that term before you use it in the future, being accuracy is so important to you. Ponzi schemes are cash based. There are no products bought and sold. The biggest Ponzi scheme of all would be Social Security. Is there a similar tax in Australia?

    @Humiliated. I understand where you are coming from. I don’t get a good feeling from Larsen or Hart either. I don’t follow their recruiting methods nor do I recommend them. I’ve been in several MLMs over the past 30 years and I’ve never turned a profit. None of these facts matters, however, when it comes to the product and what it may or may not do.

    You see, I did not get involved with MonaVie to get rich quick like so many do. I tried it for two days and my joint pain went away – pain that I’d had for years and couldn’t get rid of using any other product – even though my diet had been VERY good for about a decade (my diet is even better now).

    I did not say it is chock full-o-nutrition but I guess that would depend on your definition. I do believe, however, that most of the foods that most people eat have virtually no nutritional value and greatly contribute to ill-health.

    I did my research (and continue to do so daily) and, unfortunately, it just depends on who you choose to listen to. Over the years, I’ve learned that almost everyone lies. I’ve been swindled to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars (not in MLM). That’s why I respond to these accusations. I really am the most honest person you will ever meet. Of course, no one will ever know that without meeting me and none of my accusers wish to reveal themselves.

    I cannot just take the word of anonymous people who like to use inflammatory tactics as gospel. I do listen to all of it from every source (until that source becomes too extreme and then they lose credibility). Then I decide for myself. If I have drawn any incorrect conclusion, it was not intentional.

    @Vogal. I have asked for verification regarding your accusations about Niles. Other than the link in juicescams’s site, there is no information online. Just because someone accuses someone else of something doesn’t mean it’s true. You are completely wrong about me. Why should I believe you are any more accurate when it comes to anything else?

    Because people like you spread such information about Niles and I do not wish to be associated with any such activity, I will remove the link to that report. If I find out that your claims about him are false, I will put it back up.

    I have no idea why all of you are so mad but it doesn’t persuade me to believe anything you say. You attack people. I help people. Maybe you should use your powers of communication for good.

    Most of the things you sited from MonaVie are not US policies and the US links don’t work. I don’t know how the FDA will respond to your accusations but, if they wish to take legal action, you will have to identify yourself and your involvement will be revealed. You clearly have a big stake in hurting MonaVie. I, on the other hand, do not have a big stake in MonaVie at all.

    @Food Tech. Yes 6,413 is larger than the number 2,648 but are your claims accurate? This is where sources come into play. You say yes. Others would say no. But you all keep missing the point. I prefer good natural fruits to juice. I don’t even own a juicer because juicing removes part of the nutritional equation. Unfortunately, most people don’t eat enough of the right fruits or any other foods for that matter.

    Do you hate Jack LaLanne too? Just because juicing removes components from the equation doesn’t mean the juice isn’t better than many other things a person puts in their bodies.

    Bottom line guys: MonaVie is better than many things most people consume. The more good things and the fewer bad things a person puts into their body, the healthier they’re going to be. MonaVie works for many people because it is a convenient source of antioxidants. Try spreading the word about good nutrition. You don’t have to bash one thing to promote another.

  24. MonaVie Scam Says:

    There’s a lot talk on here since I was last around to respond… here are my thoughts…

    • BP – Jeff entirely missed the point about British Petroleum (BP)… they did not intend to pollute the ocean. One can definitely say that they made mistakes in handling it and one may be able to say they were negligent in actions leading up the spill. BP defitely didn’t set out cause harm. This is in stark contrast MonaVie’s CEO, Dallin Larsen. He specifically chose the same distribution system (MLM) of his last juice company, Royal Tongan Limu, that was shut down by the FDA the same illegal medical claims that we see from MonaVie. There’s enough other stuff discuss on this list without bringing in the details of the BP thing… just realize that no part of the spill was an intentional part of their business plan.
    • Oprah – The settlement had everything to do with MonaVie. Otherwise there would be no settlement and Oprah would not have named MonaVie in the lawsuit.
    • ORAC and Apples – Unlike Food Tech who just wanted Jeff to focus on one question about MonaVie and an Apple, I want him to justify all the illegal points that Vogel clearly stated out there.
    • Amount of Acai in MonaVie – Jeff claims “As I’m sure you know, MonaVie is largely acai”… but that is completely untrue. There is no way to know how much acai in is MonaVie. MonaVie considers it a trade secret. Some MonaVie distributors from Europe claim that MonaVie’s labeling lists the acai amount at 25%. If that is true, that makes MonaVie largely NOT acai.
    • Research – Jeff Cordeiro says, “Boys, boys, boys. I have done the research.” Yet this comes after he is unable to defend his position about ORAC scores. Then instead of giving us some that research he follow up with, “MonaVie worked for me… I don’t know what you have against MonaVie but don’t use your personal grudge to bash something that has helped so many people. It’s very easy to throw stones… All information is subject to opinion. For every ‘expert’ with one opinion, there is another ‘expert’ with the opposite opinion.” Jeff mentions having “done the research”, but then you provide no evidence of that reseach. You provide ambiguous testimony (“worked for me”), distrust of people providing actual research (“don’t use your personal grudge to bash…”), and complete lack of logic (“For every ‘expert’ with one opinion, there is another ‘expert’ with the opposite opinion”). Again, Jeff fails to justify any of the research…

    Jeff then responded to Aussie, without addressing any of the above. It’s worth noting that Vogel’s comments from 2 days ago (comment #4 here) still go completely unaddressed. They will continue to go unaddressed because Jeff can’t logically address them. Instead he’ll give comments like, “I agree that Vogal and company know a tremendous amount about MonaVie. I wonder why that is, if they have nothing to gain as they claim.” That’s just deflection away from the discussion about the product, which what we are all here to do.

    Jeff mentions pyramid scheme/Ponzi schemes… we are well aware of the official definitions are. However, adding a product to a pyramid scheme doesn’t make it legal. See the FTC’s page here – http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/invest/inv08.shtm. MonaVie definitely shares the characteristics of pyramid schemes. The most important characteristic is that the compensation relies on recruting multiple people to make your own investment back. In a world with a finite amount of people (such as this one) this is an unsustainable business practice. People have made mention that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, but that’s not the topic of this site, and last I looked Social Security is not a private company.

    Jeff said:

    “I understand where you are coming from. I don’t get a good feeling from Larsen or Hart either. I don’t follow their recruiting methods nor do I recommend them. I’ve been in several MLMs over the past 30 years and I’ve never turned a profit. None of these facts matters, however, when it comes to the product and what it may or may not do.

    This is interesting as most distributors mention that the product is irrelevant and the business plan is what matters. If you believed your statement above, you would not be a distributor of MonaVie and instead suggest people buy the product from Craigslist or Ebay. So here’s your chance to make things right and put your money where your mouth is.

    If MonaVie is not “chock full-o-nutrition” (to borrow Jeff’s words), one has to wonder why he’d advocate a person paying $1500 a year or a family of four paying $5000 a year (assuming some bulk purchasing) for it.

    Jeff says:

    “I did my research (and continue to do so daily) and, unfortunately, it just depends on who you choose to listen to.”

    Okay, well who is speaking on MonaVie’s behalf. Please do not count anybody on MonaVie’s board who is clearly paid to make such comments. (Plus we’ve logically proven just about everything that most of these people say as not valid.) However, you could choose to listen to well known names without MonaVie bias such as Dr. Andrew Weil, Dr. Dean Edell, and Dr. Jonny Bowden. Or you could look at Men’s Journal testing: http://www.mensjournal.com/superjuices-on-trial.

    Jeff is trying to paint a picture of it being an equal “war of words”, but there is no such thing. This is at least the second time that he’s said he’s done research and people are arguing different views.

    Jeff said,

    “I have asked for verification regarding your accusations about Niles. Other than the link in juicescams’s site, there is no information online. Just because someone accuses someone else of something doesn’t mean it’s true. You are completely wrong about me. Why should I believe you are any more accurate when it comes to anything else?”

    Please click on my article (http://www.juicescam.com/dr-lou-niles-and-his-sexual-crimes/) and read it… I link to the Nassau County Sheriff’s official website with pictures of Lou Niles in his prison suit… with the crimes listed. I also link to a government document about him being court-martialed and convicted for indecent assault. So just like you, where we cited all the illegal claims you made, the claims here are cited with very official resources.

    Jeff said,

    “I have no idea why all of you are so mad but it doesn’t persuade me to believe anything you say. You attack people. I help people. Maybe you should use your powers of communication for good.”

    We attack people who are scamming others. You claim to do a lot of research, but you still seem to understand how you are breaking the laws and hurting people. You aren’t helping people get healthy, you are attacking their wallets in order to help your own. That’s not helping people at all. We are trying to help people by giving them the knowledge they need to keep their hard-earned dollars.

    Jeff said,

    “I don’t know how the FDA will respond to your accusations but, if they wish to take legal action, you will have to identify yourself and your involvement will be revealed. You clearly have a big stake in hurting MonaVie. I, on the other hand, do not have a big stake in MonaVie at all.”

    Identifying oneself to the FDA is very easy. They do not reveal such information in their investigation, so I’m unsure what you are talking about. No one here has a big stake in hurting MonaVie. We just want to help people. You have a big stake in not having the FDA send you a letter like they did to Kevin Vokes… See: http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/EnforcementActivitiesbyFDA/CyberLetters/ucm056937.pdf.

    Jeff said,

    “@Food Tech. Yes 6,413 is larger than the number 2,648 but are your claims accurate? This is where sources come into play. You say yes. Others would say no.”

    Again Jeff brings up the anonymous “others”. In reality there are no others, which is why Jeff doesn’t cite them (so much for his research). The sources for the apple come from the USDA testing. The sources for MonaVie come from MonaVie’s scientific advisor Dr. Alex Schauss. Which source do you not trust? Are you saing that MonaVie’s Dr. Alex Schauss is not accurate? Are you saying that USDA testing is not accurate? Are you going to claim that the USDA’s evaluation of the ORAC value of an apple is part of some conspiracy theory to convince people to stay away from MonaVie?

    Jeff said,

    “Do you hate Jack LaLanne too? Just because juicing removes components from the equation doesn’t mean the juice isn’t better than many other things a person puts in their bodies.

    Bottom line guys: MonaVie is better than many things most people consume. The more good things and the fewer bad things a person puts into their body, the healthier they’re going to be. MonaVie works for many people because it is a convenient source of antioxidants. Try spreading the word about good nutrition. You don’t have to bash one thing to promote another.”

    Please don’t make the mistake that MonaVie provides a good source of antioxidants… we’ve shown it doesn’t (Men’s Journal tests, ORAC scores, etc.) and no one has refuted it with any logic.

    No one here is against juice. If you believe that juice is better than many other things a person puts in their body, then please stop selling $40 MonaVie, and start pitching $4 alternatives such as V8 Fusion or Tropicana Pure. You just made a claim that implied all that matters is that it is juice. After all those alternatives I just suggested are a convenient source of antioxidants. Other convenient and cheap sources of antioxidants are vitamins and apples. You can find an apple at just about any grocery store (unlike MonaVie) and don’t have to pay shipping. You don’t have to refrigerate the apple either, making it even more convenient than MonaVie. So let’s help people’s wallets (instead of your own) and save them $36 a bottle. It will add up to thousands a year for most families. That’s something that will allow families to make great nutritional choices elsewhere.

  25. Vogel Says:

    Cordeiro said: “@Vogal. I have asked for verification regarding your accusations about Niles. Other than the link in juicescams’s site, there is no information online. Just because someone accuses someone else of something doesn’t mean it’s true.”

    Dishonest weasel! The juicescam article contains the links that would allow you to easily verify the information. Why do we have to pry your mouth open and force feed the truth to you, when any reasonable person would simply do the right thing without being coerced. Niles, your child-raping doctor-impersonating spokesman, never published any study on Monavie and you should never have claimed that he did, regardless of the fact that he is a two-time felony sex offender and pretends to be cancer specialist. Once again — the study you referred to does not exist. You already knew that much to begin with, obviously, because you could not possibly have seen a study that does not exist.

    Cordeiro said: “You are completely wrong about me. Why should I believe you are any more accurate when it comes to anything else?”

    I know all I need to know about you. You’re a liar, a cheat, a charlatan, a lawbreaker, and a victimizer of sick people. You’ll get no sympathy or respect for me — it’s your victims that I’m sympathetic with.

    As for your question about why you should believe us, the answer is because we are stating obvious facts and backing them up with very solid evidence. You should try doing the same sometime, instead of pulling lies out of your arse.

    Cordeiro said: “Because people like you spread such information about Niles and I do not wish to be associated with any such activity, I will remove the link to that report. If I find out that your claims about him are false, I will put it back up.”

    The information about Niles first rape/perjury charge is in a US military court docket, and his more recent incarceration for felony child molestation is described in the Nassau County court report. It’s inarguable. You could have already followed the links in the Juicescam article instead of acting like you’re still unconvinced. Is this enough evidence for you, asshole? Can you now bring yourself to apologize? Now you just have about 17 other fraudulent claims to strip from your website before the axe drops on Monday.
    http://www.nassauclerk.com/clerk/clerkcm/case_inquiry/public/nas_pub_pi_queryname_3.asp?caseid=28452&cat=CF
    http://www.nassaucountysheriff.com/Inmate%20Information%20Search%20Results%20Details.asp?JAILB_BOOKING=3151&JAILB_YEAR=2008
    http://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/opinions/1996Term/95_0738.htm

    “I have no idea why all of you are so mad but it doesn’t persuade me to believe anything you say. You attack people. I help people. Maybe you should use your powers of communication for good.”

    If you still don’t know why people are mad at you after all that’s been explained, then I have no choice but to conclude that you are of well-below average intelligence or a deluded sociopath. Either way, you’ll still get no sympathy from me. And I’m certainly not going to candy-coat my comments in an attempt to persuade a dick like you to obey the law and stop victimizing people. Actually, it would be OK with me if you remained defiant and didn’t change anything on your website; that way the FDA can give you exactly what you deserve and the company will be faced with the choice of censuring you or going down with you.

    “Most of the things you sited from MonaVie are not US policies and the US links don’t work.”

    Are you kidding me? Just because the links I posted happened to be broken, you couldn’t figure out where to find Monavie’s compliance training documents? You’re required to take the courses in order to be a distributor and yet you are feigning ignorance? Does that mean you never took the compliance training, or you forgot it all? Are you trying to suggest that the U.S. compliance excerpts I quoted did not come from Monavie’s official documents?

    Your feeble attempts at evasion are not going to fly. Here’s a cached copy of one of the documents to which I referred. Are your company’ policies clear enough for you now? Can you bring yourself to admit now that you were wrong?
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:5IozA7-SYFEJ:mvu-usa.com/usa/training-courses/compliance-basics-text/+%22You+may+not+make+any+claims+or+personal+testimonials%22+monavie&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    “I don’t know how the FDA will respond to your accusations but, if they wish to take legal action, you will have to identify yourself and your involvement will be revealed. You clearly have a big stake in hurting MonaVie. I, on the other hand, do not have a big stake in MonaVie at all.”

    First, so what if I have to identify myself to the FDA. Any information provided to the FDA is confidential. They can shut you down based on my complaint, and you’ll never know who I am. All I have to do is file the report, kick back, and wait for you to get what you deserve. Secondly, the only stake I have here is to prevent a$$holes like you from victimizing people. Lastly, I don’t care how big your stake is in Monavie; you still have a stake and you are lying in support of it. In fact, if you don’t have a big stake, your lies are all the more damnable. It means you’ll exploit people for chump change.

    Cordeiro said: “@Food Tech. Yes 6,413 is larger than the number 2,648 but are your claims accurate? Others would say no.”

    He’s proven that they are accurate. You can’t continue to pretend otherwise. And who are these fictitious “others” to whom you refer? No one has ever put forth any argument, valid or not, to rebut the ORAC data that Food Tech is talking about.

    “Do you hate Jack LaLanne too?”

    Yes — puppies, sunsets, children, and mom’s apple pie too…why would you ask such a stupid irrelevant question?

    Cordeiro said: “Bottom line guys: MonaVie is better than many things most people consume. The more good things and the fewer bad things a person puts into their body, the healthier they’re going to be. MonaVie works for many people because it is a convenient source of antioxidants.”

    Better how? It may be better than eating a stick of butter but it’s not better than eating an apple, and that’s the point that Food Tech is making. People can consume fewer “bad things” without having to shell out $45 a bottle for a bottle of Monavie. As for convenience and antioxidants, Monavie is no more convenient than eating an apple or a 5-cent multivitamin, and it provides lower levels of antioxidants. Your argument is straight up BS.

    The bottom-line, as you call it, is that you repeatedly lied on your website and violated the US Food and Drug Act and the terms of your Monavie – stop these futile attempts at deflection and take some personal responsibility for your actions. I’m really going to relish reporting you to the FDA you dick!

  26. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    Jeff Cordeiro states “I do, however, have a huge distrust for governmental agencies.”

    Does anyone see the irony in this statement, which is frequently made by distributors, particularly given the fact that that the founder of Monavie made illegal and fraudulent health claims concerning Royal Tongan Limu while he was Vice President of Sales and Marketing for Dynamic Essentials – such claims which prompted the FDA to shut the company, with the remaining inventory being destroyed and a $2million issued.

    Not only that but where is the distrust taking into consideration that Monavie is virtually IDENTICAL to Royal Tongan Limu – limu discovered in a remote location (Tonga), promoted as having super antioxidant capacity, 2oz twice daily, packaged in wine bottles, similarly priced, marketed through an MLM and similar illegal health claims made to that currently being made by Monavie distributors concerning Monavie.

    Mr Dallin Larsen’s track record is worthy of distrust so why is this skepticism not applied in this instance?

    Jeff, just as Monavie Scam pointed out, we’re more than well versed about what a pyramid scheme actually is and our statements concerning the pyramiding activities of distributors are well deserved. As is the criticism concerning the illegal health claims dsitributors such as yourself continue to make.

    Vogel, I’m also with you on the report to the FDA – as well as the FTC considering Jeff’s testimonial is in breach of their guidelines also, these are NOT what anyone would consider to be typical results.

  27. Vogel Says:

    I knew it! That puss Cordeiro backed down and gutted his website. Every single illegal and misleading claim I outlined is now gone. Despite all his posturing and threats, he knew he was wrong and he wilted at the thought of being confronted by the FDA.

  28. MonaVie Scam Says:

    That’s awesome. I’ll still keep the screenshot. The Canadian study that he links too is interesting. It would be nice if he pointed out that MonaVie doesn’t have many of the depleted nutrients that the study was measuring, so it wouldn’t help. Well the new fortified MonaVie may have some, but a 5-cent multivitamin would fill that void and then some better than MonaVie.

    Another remaining claim is the sugar and lowering blood sugars. He seems to make a case for MonaVie because it’s based on fruit, but neglects to mention that many consider fruits’ fiber to the be the key to that. MonaVie has almost no fiber (though new MonaVie may be fortified with some that can be had very cheaply).

  29. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    Too late for Jeff. I lodged complaints with the FDA and FTC before the claims were taken down.

    Can’t help but notice that the link to the clinical trials done concerning effects of MonaVie on cholesterol (located towards the bottom of the page) takes you to the study “Effects of MonaVie Active on
    Antioxidant Capacity in Humans”

    I don’t see that this is a study on Monavie and cholesterol – particularly given Monavie Active was used in the study.

    For someone who claims who have done extensive research, Jeff really doesn’t appear to have much idea…

  30. Vogel Says:

    Good work! Yes, I noticed the cholesterol claim as well — it’s just another shenanigan. The latest abuse of logic seems to be that if Monavie can inhibit lipid peroxidation in a test tube, it will somehow prevent LDL oxidation in the body (and, therefore, miraculously prevent atherosclerosis). However, the authors didn’t even bother to measure oxidized LDL — they could have quite easily, but they didn’t. In fact, if you’ll notice, the article doesn’t even mention the words cholesterol or LDL.

  31. TODD Says:

    PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY IT IS OK TO TELL SOMEONE THAT ANY OTHER PRODUCT WORKS FOR YOU, BUT IF MONAVIE HAS DONE SOMETHING FOR ME AND OTHERS THEN IT IS ILLEGAL. THE FACT THAT I HAVE EATEN NUMEROUS APPLES AND OTHER FRUITS AND MY JOINTS STILL HURT, BUT ONE MONTH OF THE JUICE I’M NOT ALOOWED TO MENTION WORKED MAKES ME THINK THERE MAY BE SOMETHING TO THE JUICE I’M NOT ALOOWED TO MENTION. I DON’T WHY IT WORKS AND I DONT CARE. THE FACT IS THAT EVERYONE I KNOW THAT HAS TRIED IT FOR AT LEAST A MONTH HAS SEEN VERY GOOD RESULTS IN THEIR HEALTH. I WOULD BE A SORRY PERSON IF I DIDN’T TELL PEOPLE ABOUT A PRODUCT THAT MAY HELP THEM FEEL BETTER. THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER REALLY BAD THINGS OUT THERE FOR SOME TO FOCUS ON. THE BIGGEST QUESTION IS WHY THE JUICE CO. I CAN’T MENTION BECAUSE FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS OR EVERYONES OPINION IS WRONG EXCEPT YOURS. PEACE OUT AND EVERYONE SHOULD TRY THE JUICE, YOU JUST MIGHT FEEL BETTER.

  32. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Freedom of speech does not apply to cases that can hurt people. For instance you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater.

    McDonalds can’t run a commercial that their Quarter Pounders cure cancer. For the same reason, MonaVie can’t claim their juice works for anything unless they’ve completed the necessary clinical trials.

  33. Food Tech in CA Says:

    Todd, you can say whatever you want about MonaVie, as long as you aren’t selling the stuff. If you are selling this, or any other supplement, you must follow the law, which requires FDA approval before making claims of treatments or cures. MonaVie does not have that approval.

  34. Vogel Says:

    Todd shouted: “PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY IT IS OK TO TELL SOMEONE THAT ANY OTHER PRODUCT WORKS FOR YOU, BUT IF MONAVIE HAS DONE SOMETHING FOR ME AND OTHERS THEN IT IS ILLEGAL.”

    The answer is simple! Because the Food & Drug Act and the Code of Federal Regulations says so — it’s the law! That should be the end of the argument. If you don’t like the law, try to change it but until then, respect it. Personally, I’m extremely thankful that these regulations exist. I can just imagine the damage you Monavie clowns would inflict if these laws didn’t exist. And BTW, turn off your caps lock you bellowing clod.

  35. Humiliated Says:

    Todd. I was “on the product” for a year and a half and it did NOTHING for my health, or for the health of anyone else that I got “on it”. The reason that I am incensed is that I was told that it contained many more vitamins & nutrients than it did, and that I wouldn’t need to even EAT fruits and vegetables that I didn’t like anymore. This went for the children that I “got on the product” as well. Are you friggin’ kidding me? It is OK to lie to parents and potentially endanger children’s lives?? I don’t even blame my upline for that because they were given such convoluted, purposely vague information from the fake doctors involved with Monavie (see other posts for this…). Then, you Monabots take it to a whole other level with the claims that it cures many diseases.

    As far as I am concerned you shouldn’t even be allowed to use the word “nutrition” and “Monavie” in the same sentence.

    Humiliated

  36. Vogel Says:

    Yup! It’s right up there with vitamin-fortified Pop Tarts.

  37. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    Todd asks “PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY IT IS OK TO TELL SOMEONE THAT ANY OTHER PRODUCT WORKS FOR YOU, BUT IF MONAVIE HAS DONE SOMETHING FOR ME AND OTHERS THEN IT IS ILLEGAL.”

    Here’s a good reason not to make entirely unfounded health claims concerning a product which is not proven, not approved and not intended to treat, cure or mitigate the symptoms of any disease or condition –

    “Getting rid of these bogus products, from a company that was giving false information about health benefits to consumers, underscores the message from FDA to those who would mislead consumers about their health,” said FDA Commissioner Mark B. McClellan, M.D., Ph.D. “We will not tolerate companies that raise false hopes for preventing and treating illnesses, when there are more scientifically proven steps than ever before that consumers can take to improve their health.”
    http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/archives/M/2/fda1483.htm

    Todd further states “I WOULD BE A SORRY PERSON IF I DIDN’T TELL PEOPLE ABOUT A PRODUCT THAT MAY HELP THEM FEEL BETTER.”

    You should be a sorry person – you’re attempting to exploit people’s circumstances by using entirely unfounded and illegal health claims in the hope of your own financial gain.

    Todd, everyone has a right to the freedom of speech – but consumers also have the right to be protected from being defrauded by people such as yourself.

  38. Rasheed Says:

    I’m rather appalled at the responses.

    I’ll just point out one funny thing Jeff said.

    “For every ‘expert’ with one opinion, there is another ‘expert’ with the opposite opinion.”

    Okay. So we have one expert mathematician that says 1+1 = 2. So do we also have another expert mathematician that says that 1+1 = 3?

    Something tells me Mr. Jeff does not really know much about how science works.

  39. Vogel Says:

    If Dallin Larsen told the cult members that 1 + 1 = 3, they would no doubt believe it. In essence, it’s already happened.

  40. Rasheed Says:

    Same with Orrin Woodward. One of my mentors had a sticker that said “WWOD” (What would Orrin do) on his visor in his car. As if Orrin were the messiah.

    Well, Orrin would ditch his first MLM company for another “Next Big Thing” so why not do that too!

  41. Mackwiz Says:

    WWOD!?

    If there are actually people using that to make life decisions I fear for our species.

  42. Rasheed Says:

    I wish I were joking. It’s fine to have role models, but I’ve never seen a “what would Micheal Jordan do” or even “What would Muhammad do” (and I’m Muslim!). I MIGHT understand a “what would Barack do” but honestly, a WWOD is a bit ridiculous. At least Obama has done something to change the world for the better. Orrin? Not so much.

  43. switch Says:

    Rasheed-
    Sad…truly sad on the Orrin sticker. Were they holding hands and bowing around their car too? You didn’t happen to see a case of juice on the hood of the car too did you? Yeah…I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if there was with an “inspirational” cd playing while praying. It’s kind of funny you mention that though Rasheed because I saw the same thing at a seminar once…and even though being in at the time, I had to tell myself that this was over the edge on the decal. We actually still have a book called the “Dream Giver”…to be honest I would love to read it just so I could get a good laugh.

    Now that I think about it, I wonder how much that sticker cost them?

 
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