Dallin Larsen, Ernst and Young, and Entrepreneur Of The Year

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Many distributors comment on this website that because a great organization like Ernst and Young gave Dallin Larsen an Entrepreneur Of The Year award, MonaVie must be a great product. However, on closer examination that couldn’t be further from the truth.

If you read the Ernst and Young article you start to see how the claim unravels. For instance it mentions that he has been “honing his business acumen since grade school”, which seems like glowing praise, but it ignores the audio of the illegal medical claims he made in his fireside chats when with Royal Tongan Limu juice (sound familiar to MonaVie – it should). This lead to Royal Tongan Limu’s closure by the FTC and DOJ. How Ernst and Young missed this clear evidence is testament that Ernst and Young dropped on the ball on this one.

The explanation is simple, every company makes mistakes. Microsoft had Microsoft Bob. Ernst and Young has it’s Dallin Larsen as an Entrepreneur of the Year. It happens…

… or does it? Let’s dig a little deeper and see what else we can find…

Methodology for Choosing Entrepreneur of the Year

If you look at the FAQ for how an Entrepreneur of the Year is chosen we get a lot of information:

Who are the judges?
The regional and national panels of judges include entrepreneurs and prominent leaders from academia, business, and the media…. Each independent panel of judges is allowed complete discretion in determining categories and award recipients.”

So, in short, we know that Ernst and Young only appointed judges, they did not endorse and do not endorse Dallin Larsen. It is very possible that Ernst and Young could completely disapprove of the winner, but have to award it anyway, since the panel of the judges made the decision. Furthermore, by setting it up the judging by regions, MonaVie gets the advantage of votes from other multi-level marketing companies that are traditionally focused in Utah.

By not knowing who the panel of judges are, we really can’t tell if there was bias involved in the judging or not. We don’t even know what criteria they used to make their decision.

Was Dallin Larsen really awarded Entrepreneur of the Year?

No, he was voted Emerging Entrepreneur of the Year. It was Tom Adams, President & CEO, Rosetta Stone Inc. who was Entrepreneur of the Year (see article above). If a MonaVie distributor tries to tell you Dallin Larsen was Entrepreneur of the Year, the distributor is trying to mislead you.

Should Dallin Larsen have been awarded Emerging Entrepreneur of the Year?

Perhaps he should have been awarded Emerging Entrepreneur of the Year. Let’s look at what he has accomplished:

I could probably add a few more bullet points, but I think that gets the message across. Let’s give a little credit to the guy where credit is due. Dallin Larsen rakes in millions while consumers of the juice and salesman of the juice lose. Shame on the consumers and salesmen of MonaVie.

This is why people are looking into creating their own MonaVie Scam.

Important Update

I don’t know how I missed this before. Anyway, Anonymous Aussie in the comments points out that there are a couple of other proven scammers who have won the Ernst and Young award:

“Let’s consider Stein Bagger, former CEO of IT Factory – awarded Danish Entrepreneur of the Year in 2008 by Ernst and Young.

Following his award, this young “entrepreneur” subsequently declared bankruptcy, was found to have falsified his credentials, was charged with forgery and was also convicted of fraud! He was sentenced to 7 years imprisonment on June 11, 2009 after it was found that his company was operating like a ponzi scheme – he had been forging large sales orders thus creating fictional revenue.

The scam which defrauded banks and private investors to the tune of US $225 billion is considered the biggest most recent scam in Denmark’s history!

This isn’t a once off “mistake” either – take Byrraju Ramalinga Raju who was awarded Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year Services Award 1999 AND Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year 2007.

This scammer founded Satyam Computers but was subsequently forced to resign from the board in 2009 after admitting to corporate fraud whereby he’d cheated 6 million shareholders out of US $1.5 billion, many of which have lost their entire life savings.”

Let’s not credit Ernst and Young’s awards as a guarantee of good character or business acumen.

Originally posted 2010-09-08 10:00:46. Republished by Blog Post Promoter

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48 Responses to “Dallin Larsen, Ernst and Young, and Entrepreneur Of The Year”
  1. steve Says:

    Amazing how Ernst and Young voted Monavie’s CEO entreprenuer of the year..I wonder why one of the largest Accounting firms in the world would tie themselves to this scam product..i’m sure they didn’t do much research…accounting firms are notorious for doing little research…give it up…you are trying so hard and I love wasting your time…

  2. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Thanks for leaving the comment about Ernst and Young, I think I address all the points in your comment above.

    If you did any research you’d know that Ernst and Young open admit to doing “ZERO” research for this award. They also have no choice but to tie themselves to this scam product if that’s how the judges, who are not affiliated with Ernst and Young, vote.

    You are welcome to “waste my time”, you just put more and more nails in the MonaVie coffin.

  3. steve Says:

    You are the one who sits back and lies. When are you going to back up your statement that Ernst and Young admitted doing no research. 200 million in sales possibly a scam….600 million in sales maaayybbbbeee….2 billion in sales…I think it’s established…get a life…

  4. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    Steve states “Amazing how Ernst and Young voted Monavie’s CEO entreprenuer of the year..I wonder why one of the largest Accounting firms in the world would tie themselves to this scam product..i’m sure they didn’t do much research…accounting firms are notorious for doing little research…give it up…you are trying so hard and I love wasting your time…”

    What’s amazing is that distributors such as Steve continue to persist in making claims without doing their research!

    There’s no doubt that Ernst and Young have in all likelihood been a little hasty in awarding Dallin any type of award – particularly given their track record of making grave mistakes before…

    Let’s consider Stein Bagger, former CEO of IT Factory – awarded Danish Entrepreneur of the Year in 2008 by Ernst and Young.

    Following his award, this young “entrepreneur” subsequently declared bankruptcy, was found to have falsified his credentials, was charged with forgery and was also convicted of fraud! He was sentenced to 7 years imprisonment on June 11, 2009 after it was found that his company was operating like a ponzi scheme – he had been forging large sales orders thus creating fictional revenue.

    The scam which defrauded banks and private investors to the tune of US $225 billion is considered the biggest most recent scam in Denmark’s history!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stein_Bagger

    This isn’t a once off “mistake” either – take Byrraju Ramalinga Raju who was awarded Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year Services Award 1999 AND Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year 2007.

    This scammer founded Satyam Computers but was subsequently forced to resign from the board in 2009 after admitting to corporate fraud whereby he’d cheated 6 million shareholders out of US $1.5 billion, many of which have lost their entire life savings.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byrraju_Ramalinga_Raju

    As Monavie Scam already pointed out, Dallin Larsen was previously the Vice President of Sales and Marketing for Dynamic Essentials which was shut down by the FDA for making fraudulent and illegal disease cure claims concerning Royal Tongan Limu.

    Steve, I think we’ve established that you have no idea what you’re talking about – the only person’s time you’re wasting is your own by looking like the complete fool.

  5. jim Says:

    Ernst and Young’s 2007 Entrepreneur of the Year was B. Ramalinga Raju. “The chairman of one of India’s largest IT outsourcers has resigned after confessing to a £1 billion fraud, in a scandal that has been dubbed the country’s Enron.”
    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article5469536.ece

    Stein Bagger was chief executive of Copenhagen-based IT Factory, had recently been named Danish Entrepreneur of the Year by Ernst & Young. His purported fraud, said to be as high as $170 million, is the biggest scandal in 20 years.
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xdOBJwP3SswJ:articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/07/local/me-danish7+ernst+and+young+entrepreneur+of+the+year+scandal+europe&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    I wouldn’t hang my hat on being company with the above executives.

    $2 Billion? Chicken feed. Madoff $50 Billion. Enron: 8th largest corporation in America market cap over $60 Billion. I guess size doesn’t matter.

  6. Jim Says:

    Aussie….jinx

    Perhaps E&Y should stop giving the award or at least Have more say in the recipiants. It does no good for their corporate reputation.

  7. switch Says:

    Wait a second, this is what Orrin Woodward wrote on his blog…

    “Being mentored in business by the entrepreneur of the year is not a bad deal.:)”

    It has to be true right?

  8. Strangely Says:

    As Jim pointed out, there are a heap of collapses, quite a few Ernst & Young winners. But what does it mean?

    Enron collapsed after being rated AAA by the credit rating agencies like Standard & Poor.

    Lehman’s – AAA. Collapsed the next day.
    Merrill Lynch – AAA Collapsed and bought out.

    So what it means is that Ernst & Young are just the same.
    Whether they know or don’t know what’s being done and said in their name doesn’t appear to bother them. Why?

    Well take Standard & poor. Recently they’ve taken to rating whole countries like Greece, Ireland, the UK etc.
    The media pundits are all full of this, of course, suffering from mass amnesia as they conveniently forget how wrong S&P’ve been, so many times, over the last decade!

    Meanwhile, the governments involved are having a mass panic because they believe the hype…. and the poor little people…the ones that get ripped off by Monavie and other scams, the ones that work, pay their taxes, do their best, put their trust in “people who know what they’re doing”, (that’s us by the way), we are all picking up the tab while S&P and the rest continue in their “expert” ways, advising us what is good and bad finance.

    You can gather from this, that LM’s revelations about E&Y and the extra bits from Anonymous Aussie and Jim have got me going.

    It’s like the whole finance “industry” is one great fuzzy con and like Monavie, they’ll say and do anything to stay in “business”.

  9. A Real Dr Says:

    So I have been dealing with as professional as possible over on facebook who post the same mistruths I swear its like locust when they find something on that Monavie Media site it spreads like a one continuous thought like they share the same brain. I dont delete them bc they are my friends of many years and trying to talk sense into them.

    But I must admit as a REAL Dr in training Monavie has convinced me of one thing. I now believe in reincarnation because it is not possible to become this stupid in one lifetime.

    Moving on and sorry if this is in wrong thread but this Brig Hart guy, now with r3global I think, that “church” like business motavators on wheels master of manipulation that reboots peoples minds to brainwash mode right when common sense seems to be kicking in…

    anyhow check out the link I particularly like the line “Hart’s complaint seems to me to be the equivalent of the drug dealer who goes to the local police station and complains that someone just broke into his house and stole his stash of crack cocaine.”

    http://www.amquix.info/aus/hart.htm

    And steve dont worry I will be contributing to the unemployment system when the Mona-schemers are out of work….

  10. steve Says:

    Well, well..another rocket scientist heard from…or should I say “almost in training rocket scientist”. I can just imagine this almost Dr sitting in his dorm room in a 3rd world country trying to pass his first biology exam…hey almost Dr. any idea why the company hasn’t been “found out” yet..after over five years, billions in sales, Boston Red Sox, Ernst and Young, Indy 500 and now even the Better Business Bureau which just gave MONAVIE a AAA rating..what is that you say..it’s basically the highest rating they can give a company..you idiots waste more time on trying to ruin a company that has helped and changed lives for the better..it just annoys you folks that money is being made as well as all the goodness..Its ok, the world needs morons to…you people fit the bill….oh, and this is for the almost Dr. in training…I know of four different REAL Drs that love the product, don’t distribute but recommend it to their patients, one of the Drs is a published cardiologist who is routinly ranked as a top doc in the NORTHEAST..you silly people..keep up the good work…I;ll see you when we five billion..you can jump up and down then, OH BY THE WAY, MOST DRS IN TRAINING CALL THEMSELVES FELLOWS OR RESIDENTS..YOU MUST’VE GOTTEN THAT WRONG ON YOUR MCATS..DO YOU KNOW WHAT MCATS ARE?

  11. Jim Says:

    Steve,

    Please provide us with the names and contact info for these four doctors who recommend Mona vie to their patients. I am not aware of a single respected practicing MD who is on record recommending Mona vie for their patients.

  12. Jim Says:

    Regarding your question on why the company hasn’t been ” found out” after 5 years I think you raise a great point. I would suggest you read the research of dr Robert fitzpatrick on pyramidschemealert.org where he suggests lack of public outcry (current and former distributors rarely file complaints) and political contributions may contribute to the lack of enforcement.

    I just finished reading Harry Markopolis’ book No One Would Listen about his alerting the SEC repeatedly about the Madoff scam. For over a decade despite detailed mathematical proof in multiple repots provided to the Government, Madoff was allowed to continue his scam costing investors billions. Just like Mona vie being exposed by newsweek and mens health, among other publications, the Madoff scam was eluded to in Barrons and Marhedge almost a decade ago and the government never intervened until the scheme collapsed on it’s own. Let’s hope we don’t have to wait until the inevitable collapse of this pyramid under it’s own weight and that the government steps in before another billion is lost by gullable trusting distributors.

  13. steve Says:

    Jim, in a million years do you think I would provide a person like you with the names of any Dr who recommends drinking Monavie..you will probably sit at your computer for days until you find out some negative fact and spin in it into watergate…Aussie and a few others have jumped on the ernst and young bandwagon…you brilliant detectives should call the BBB and inform them next of this big scam…yes Larson even fooled the Better Business Bureau…amazing everyone is fooled but a few knuckleheads like yourselves..the end result of all your tireless research is nothing short amusing…the company thrives more today than it did yesterday…you have accomplished nothing…and will never..as far as callig it a pyramid..pyramids are illegal..the bbb doesn’t rate pyramids…here we go..you ready…imagine me (steve) chuckling to myself…now starting to all out laugh…finally having to sit down because my laughter has made me tired…keep up the hard work and research you are doing really realy well..man imagine the BBB has been duped as well…you guys know way to much…just like tony the tiger says “your great”….I’m sure you will find out Tony the Tiger is a fraud as well….

  14. Mackwiz Says:

    Steve,

    Take it down a notch buddy! Looks kind of like you are typing on speed and I’m pretty sure MonaVie doesn’t give you the jits.

    Ok, so you don’t want to provide the doctors’ names because you are scared people will bring up dirt on them? That is absolutely hilarious that you can’t even stand by your own supposed “best doctors” because you know more likely than not they have a bad rap sheet that Vogel or Aussie will bring up. That doesn’t make Vogel or Aussie meddling instigators, it makes you a willful dolt.

    Either that, or the doctors don’t even exist.

    MonaVie has a A+ at BBB for two reasons. First, they paid to become accredited. Also, they solve all auto-ship disputes when someone wants out of MonaVie. That is the only bases they need to cover to be BBB compliant. If you don’t believe me, check out their BBB page as to why they get the rating. All they have to do is solve customer disputes, and when your customers are fanatic distributors, how can it be that hard to please them?

  15. Vogel Says:

    Yes, interesting how until a few weeks ago, all the dsitributors were saying that the BBB was full of crap and that their ratings meant nothing. But now that Monavie bought their accreditation, they suddenly feel that the BBB is the ultimate authority. Hypocrisy!

    The flipside to all of this is that EarthFruits, the division within Monavie responsible for procuring the inredients used in the juice, is rated an F by the BBB. Guess that makes the A+ rating a wash doesn’t it?

    And did you notice the articles that the BBB provides links to at the bottom of the pages for Monavie and Earthfruits? Like these:

    “New Medical Miracles Not so Miraculous”
    http://www.bbb.org/us/article/new-medical-miracles-not-so-miraculous-270

    “So-called Diet Aids Will Thin Your Wallet, Not Your Body”
    http://www.bbb.org/us/article/so-called-diet-aids-will-thin-your-wallet-not-your-body-673

    Doesn’t look like the BBB has much faith in Monavie at all if they are providing links to articles that warn specifically against the kind of claims that are bieng made about Monavie.

    The distributors will cling to that new BBB rating as though their lives depend on it, but it won’t be anywhere near enough to save them from their inevitable fate.

    And Steve, if you aren’t willing to provide the names of the alleged doctor(s) who you said endorse your product, then it only shows that you have something very nefarious to cover up. Really…unfathomably ridiculous. Are you worried I’m going to find out that they were charged with malpractice or killing their patients. Considering the track record with Monavie, odds are that this is exactly the sort of thing I would uncover, so it probably is in your best interest to say nothing further about these quacks, even though your silence completely undermines your previous boasting.

  16. steve Says:

    I never once spoke badly about the better business bureau. Can the joker who described why they got the AAA rating to please post where he read the dribble or did he make it up …another organization that you believe to be a fraud..the BBB..you guys are getting ridiculous..if Jesus himself came down and told us MONAVIE is the essence of life you would try and convince everyone Jesus is wrong and a fraud..as for the knucklehead who wants me to post peoples names on this blog..give me a break..you can’t be that stupid..why don’t you post your name and where you work..Lets recap…Ernst and Young screwed up, the Boston Red Sox screwed up, Anahiem Angels, Indy Car, Inc 500 and now the Better Business Bureau..all those organizations would’ve faired better had they had your incredible investigatory skills..you folks have been at this for some time now..you have convinced nobody, the company is growing and I have become a distributor as oppossed to just a drinker and have already signed up 11 people..it just keeps getting better…at the end of the day, the company surges forward..your levels of frustration must be palpable..at one point do you give up and go away..not saying that I want you to go away..this is cheap entertainment..

  17. A Real Dr Says:

    Steve,
    I never heard someone talk (type) so much as say nothing. I think I actually got more dumb reading it. But I never argue with an idiot, they bring you down to there level, then beat you with experience.

    First a rocket scientist is different from a physician but being Monavie’s requirements are only being 18 and a moron I am not surprised.

    Second, I am a non traditional student. I used to work in the intelligence community for the DoD before choosing medicine. I contacts and will leave it at that for now. You would be amazed what a simple IP address can turn up when threats are made (from article on this site…)

    Third Medical Students do not take Biology Exams. The Mexican cartel makes Billions of Dollars, does that make them legitimate.

    Steve says
    “hey almost Dr. any idea why the company hasn’t been “found out” yet..after over five years, billions in sales, Boston Red Sox, Ernst and Young, Indy 500 and now even the Better Business Bureau which just gave MONAVIE a AAA rating..what is that you say..it’s basically the highest rating they can give a company..you idiots waste more time on trying to ruin a company that has helped and changed lives for the better.”

    Already discussed but will add with all do respect, I am not the one selling the “Jesus Juice”

    Also my brother is an Anesthesiologist and he paid to be in US Top Docs one year out of his residency.

    Funny, notice you did say these four Doctors who recommend it, and not prescribe it.. And if they “recommend it” and it works so well then why to they go back to the doctor. You mean it didnt cure there ailments???

    And this is the most amusing… but to correct you (again)..Doctors in training are called student doctors doing clerkships/rotations during 3rd and 4th years.(clinical years).. Residents and Fellows are licensed physicians but if you were in med school you would know that. Out of 8000 apps I was one of 300 chosen with is .037%.

    Lastly prob cause you got your facts from movie “Meet the Parent” MCATS have nothing to do with Med School except admissions. The Boards are called the USMLE or COMLEX.

    Wow that was stuff. I bet you believe you can drown fish. Or wait your prob the type of guy who fails surveys right?? Ok enough nonsense lets try and stick to facts and to the intelligent people I was able to hang out with my Monavie Friend (friend from highschool) and she comfirmed

    1)People sale false hope, I see it on there status updates by suggesting it cures or treats ailments.. (I even snip them to be submitted to my contacts..

    2)Most disturbing to me is the overly jesus camp like christian based religious motavational meetings stating any questions or skeptics are “non-believers” and the Distrubutors need to “fight through that negativity.” She is actually giving me some footage bc she admits she sells the juice but is very uncomfortable with that aspect of it.. She is more of no harm no foul (until I showed her this)

    Hey Jim or anyone, it that even legal to use religion to that much of an extreme for profit or motivation. Seems strange but I am not entirly sure of the any regulations regarding separation of religion and business…..

    Thanks for listening

  18. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Steve,

    Regarding the BBB, it is well covered territory. Please read the article I wrote here and respond as necessary. If you want a secondary source, that is not biased, and not from this website, see this huge discussion on Wikipedia about the value of Better Business Bureau grades. In fact, it seems like Wikipedia in general has issues with the Better Business Bureau being an unbiased source.

    Let’s recap:
    – See the article above about Ernst and Young (they have no say in their own award and thus did not “screw up”). You might also read the comments that show that Ernst and Young has “screwed up” in the past.
    – Boston Red Sox (my favorite team), Anaheim Angels, and Indy Car all take sponsorships from the highest bidder. There is no evidence that they do any investigation. This is no different than the stars (William Shatner, Chris Evert, and Gary Carter) who took money to support United Sciences of America before it was shut down.
    – Inc. 500 – You must have missed this article. You should also note that MonaVie wasn’t listed at all in the most recent edition of the Inc. 500. Also the same Inc. Magazine says that “very few people get rich from MLM ventures.”

    Actually, MonaVie is not growing. I offer a few independent sources on that. There is this report about the declining sales as well as two highly regarded websites showing that interest in MonaVie is fading. Lastly, there’s a smoking gun that MonaVie hasn’t updated their Income Disclosure Statement since the middle of 2009 and it’s the fourth quarter of 2010… their failure to report the numbers in a timely manner is definitely suspicious in light of the above evidence.

    If you are going to throw out names of organizations, stand behind them and debate the above points. Your above comment didn’t mention anything that wasn’t already known and wasn’t already debated on this website. In the future, please add value to the discussion or I will have no alternative other than to mark you comment as trolling designed to throw the discussion off track.

  19. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    Steve states “..you guys are getting ridiculous..if Jesus himself came down and told us MONAVIE is the essence of life you would try and convince everyone Jesus is wrong and a fraud..”

    Ahhh….the pharaoh himself, Mr Larceny came down and told you Monavie was the essence of giza-land and you believe him?!

    It’s you who’s being ridiculous.

    Steve states “..I have become a distributor as oppossed to just a drinker and have already signed up 11 people..”

    And how’s finding CUSTOMERS coming along for you – particularly given Monavie’s own Policies and Procedures states your primary role as a distributor is to gather customers?

    That you’re continuing to persist with giving credence to this abysmal organisation and it’s crooked founder by using the Ernst and Young Entrepreneur of the Year Award argument is really quite sad – particularly given we’ve already been able to obliterate it more than convincingly.

  20. Jim Says:

    Steve said “as for the knucklehead who wants me to post peoples names on this blog..give me a break..you can’t be that stupid..why don’t you post your name and where you work”

    How is that relavent? You claimed there are 4 doctors who recommend Mona vie. If that is the case are they ashamed to be associated with Mona vie? I can name several doctors who are on record against Mona vie including dr dean Edel. I’ve given you one doctor, quid pro quo. Of course there is the likelihood that no respected MD would risk his reputation and that your claim is fabricated. Just to clarify, when I say Dr I mean MD not chirpractor or shaman or nutritionologist or accupunturist or any other line of pseudoscience.

    I fear for the unwitting gullible dupes who may actually believe that doctors endorse this pyramid scheme byproduct. Let’s hope nobody is stupid enough to believe there are any medical properties special to this juice.

  21. JACK Says:

    I drink Monavie juice and the Emv for my own wellbeing and found it tastes great and gives me an extra boost as a sports person. This is not a cure for sickness but a boost for wellbeing.This is a natural product unlike pharmaceutical drugs.I’m glad no MD or medical doctor would approve the juice because it’s not a drug.Drugs are synthetic.There is no such thing as a drug without it’s side affects.The juice does not heal but assists the bodies function to heal the body against free radical damage.The product assists in reducing free radical damage. This is the claim that Monavie promotes. My question to you is “what is your real motive for critising a natural product that promotes wellness ?”

  22. MonaVie Scam Says:

    I’ve never heard an athlete refer to himself as a “sports person.”

    I would like to remind you that the product is just juice… i.e. fruit minus the vitamins, minerals, and fiber. If you want a natural “boost for wellbeing”, grab an apple, peach, or pear.

    What is your real motive for promoting a $45 product that is less nutritious than fruit.

  23. Vogel Says:

    Jack said: “This is not a cure for sickness but a boost for wellbeing. This is a natural product unlike pharmaceutical drugs. I’m glad no MD or medical doctor would approve the juice because it’s not a drug. Drugs are synthetic. There is no such thing as a drug without it’s side affects. The juice does not heal but assists the bodies function to heal the body against free radical damage. The product assists in reducing free radical damage. This is the claim that Monavie promotes. My question to you is “what is your real motive for critising a natural product that promotes wellness?”

    Your post adds NOTHING to this dialog. Falling back on an incredibly vague claim like “boosts wellness” does nothing to help your case. How do you quantify “wellness”? You can’t! You may as well say that Monavie has “92.1% more awesomeness” than any other juice, because it would make about as much sense and would be equally impossible to prove or disprove. Your claim couldn’t be less empty.

    Even your claims that aren’t central to the juice are full of BS, like when you pretend to have insight about prescription drugs. For instance, claiming “all drugs are synthetic”. There are actually many commonly used drugs on the market that are not synthetic and are derived entirely from natural sources. Same goes with your claim about side effects; many people complete treatment and experience zero side effects. But that’s neither here nor there; you have no reason to even mention the word drug in relation to Monavie. All your ridiculous hype amounts to nothing, for example when you claim that the juice “assists the bodies function to heal the body against free radical damage”. A 2-cent vitamin C tablet has the same or greater antioxidant effect that you claim Monavie provides. So does a glass of grape juice or V8.

    As for being “natural”; Monavie couldn’t be farther off the mark. A natural juice would be fresh squeezed unadulterated pure juice without concentrates, bottled without preservatives, refrigerated and sold quickly to prevent spoilage. Monavie has no whole juice (all concentrates and powders), it is adulterated with nasty preservatives (sodium benzoate), and it has a 1-year unrefrigerated shelf life.

    And how dare you even ask about “real motives”. We’ve shown ample reason for our concerns about this product – it is being routinely marketed illegally by liars. That you would even ask about motives shows that you are part of the problem. Our motive is dispelling the damage you are doing by misinforming people. Hopefully it will have an impact before you swine inadvertently injure or kill someone.

  24. Mackwiz Says:

    Steve frantically typed: “Can the joker who described why they got the AAA rating to please post where he read the dribble or did he make it up …another organization that you believe to be a fraud..the BBB..you guys are getting ridiculous..if Jesus himself came down and told us MONAVIE is the essence of life you would try and convince everyone Jesus is wrong and a fraud..”

    There is this thing commonly used in sentence structure called a period (.). Turns out it’s a great way to end sentences and not make your writing sound like something out of a mad man’s rambling manifesto. You should try it out sometime, Steve.

    Aside from that minor atrocity, you are without a doubt a pompous, arrogant jerk. You come on here with the attitude of a belligerent 5th grader and try to connect MonaVie and Jesus as if this is a religious argument? I can see it now, the second coming except now water is being turned into MonaVie. Of course!

    I like how you try to put us down with being petty and act above it all while coming here to argue with us on a Saturday evening.

    As for the BBB, it’s an A+ rating, not AAA. In early September before MonaVie got accredited they had an A- rating, and right after accreditation it changes to A+. Read the following thread including the comments to see the explanation. It isn’t that the BBB is bad or fraudulent or anything, they just don’t cover the scope of what it is wrong with MonaVie:

    juicescam.com/did-monavie-pay-for-a-better-grade-from-the-better-business-bureau/

    As for Jack, the answer as to why we criticize MonaVie is simple, they sell subpar juice for 40+ bucks retail and their sellers constantly promote the juice as a medicine that can substitute prescription medicine, which is illegal and dangerous. How hard is that to understand?

  25. Jim Says:

    Jack, my motive for having an interest in criticizing Mona vie is it hurts the vast majority of those that get involved in the scheme. I speak up because I fear that someone may actually believe some of the medical claims, go off their needed meds, and cause damage to themselves or even die. I do it because many may not have the business evaluation skills that I possess and may fail to see it as the blatently obvious pyramid scheme that it is. I spend my valuable time trying to help those that have been deceived to see that there is nothing good that can be the result of being involved in Mona vie. I hope to help people see there are only two groups involved in Mona vie, the con man and the dupe. I do this to try to help the dupe before they foolishly invest funds that could be saved for their retirement, educating their children or a variety of worthwhile endevors. I also feel bad for the rare dupe who actually makes a profit, unaware they are but a pawn in the pyramid scheme, who has helped the kingpins by luring funds from their freinds and family into the scheme. There is no helping the knowing con man and I must hope the law removes them from society. I criticize Mona vie because I have seen the strain it puts on friendships and families. I have seen relationships damaged as friends and family become a target market which is pressured and guilted into joining. I criticize it because I have seen good people fall for the promise of riches and become almost obsessed with the greed it induced. I criticize it because it is wrong to lie to people and take advantage of their trusting gullibility

  26. Jim Says:

    Jack

    I know this is hard to accept, and you may not want to believe me, but you’ve been duped. Most likely by a trusted friend who was also duped. The story you we told may have looked good and made sense at the time but you were lied to. Please research the information on this site as well as lazyman. Don’t take our word or your uplines word at face value. Research the arguements yourself. Follow the links. Research the dangers of mlm scams. Help youself before you lose your hard earned money or hurt your friends and family. The only thing I have to gain by suggesting these things to you is to help a fellow man I don’t even know. Good luck I hope you find and accept the truth.

  27. Vogel Says:

    Monavie’s Law Firm Sponsored Ernst & Young Awards

    Just stumbled across this little gem in a Monavie press release:

    “Dallin A. Larsen received the Ernst & Young Entrepreneur Of The Year® Award in the Distribution and Manufacturing category in the Utah Region. According to Ernst & Young LLP, the award recognizes outstanding entrepreneurs who are building and leading dynamic, growing businesses…In the Utah Region, local sponsors include Deseret News, Digital Bytes Production and Design, Diversified Insurance Brokers, Scherzer International, Spring2 Technologies, STRONG & HANNI, The Summit Group Communications, and Utah Business Magazine.
    http://eon.businesswire.com/news/eon/20090616005346/en/dallin-a.-larsen/dallin-larsen/direct-selling

    Strong & Hanni is the same law firm that represented Monavie in numerous lawsuits (full list below) since the company’s inception in 2005. Strong & Hanni are also sponsors of Monavie’s latest fundraising drive for their dubious charitable organization, the MORE Project.
    http://eon.businesswire.com/news/eon/20101005005582/en/Utah-Based-Global-Business-Invites-Community-Support

    –Monavie Lawsuits (2005-2010)–
    1. Moringa v. Monarch Health Sciences et al (June 28, 2005 as 2:2005cv00538)
    2. Monarch Health Sciences v. Corkin et al. (Filed: June 1, 2006 as 2:2006cv00440)
    3. Monarch Health Sciences v. Amazon Thunder et al (July 11, 2007 as 2:2007cv00509)
    4. Monarch Health Sciences v. Sound Concepts (Filed: August 10, 2007 as 2:2007cv00587)
    5. Mona Vie Inc v. Fruitology (Filed: November 28, 2007 as 2:2007cv00920)
    6. Mona Vie Inc v. Total Health Wellness Group, The (Filed: December 17, 2007 as 2:2007cv00976)
    7. Quixtar v. MonaVie (Filed: February 21, 2008 as 2:2008mc00142)
    8. MonaVie v. Quixtar et al (Filed: March 17, 2008 as 2:2008cv00204)
    9. Quixtar v. Mona Vie Inc et al (Filed: March 18, 2008 as 2:2008cv00209)
    10. Imagenetix Inc v. Monavie LLC et al (Filed: May 5, 2008 as 3:2008cv00814)
    11. Mona Vie, LLC v. Quixtar, Incorporated et al (Filed: October 3, 2008 as 2:2008mc50958)
    12. Mona Vie, Inc. et al v. Quixtar Inc. (Filed: November 12, 2008 as 1:2008cv02464)
    13. Monavie LLC et al v. Amway Corp et al (Filed: December 4, 2008 as 3:2008mc05056)
    14. Monavie, LLC et al v. Amway Corp (Filed: December 8, 2008 as 5:2008mc02278)
    15. Mona Vie, LLC v. Amway Corp (Filed: December 12, 2008 as 2:2008mc02319)
    16. Mona Vie, LLC v. Amway Corp, et al. (Filed: December 12, 2008 as 2:2008mc02320)
    17. Monavie, LLC v. Amway, Corp. et al (Filed: January 15, 2009 as 5:2009mc00005)
    18. WOW Green of Texas, LLC et al v MonaVie, Inc. et al (Filed: March 4, 2009 as 4:2009cv00105)
    19. Monavie, LLC v. Quixtar Inc. et al (Filed: March 9, 2009 as 3:2009ms00002)
    20. Monavie, LLC v. Quixtar Inc. et al (Filed: March 9, 2009 as 3:2009cv00134)
    21. Guzzardo (Monavie) et al v. Amway Corporation (Filed: June 8, 2009 as 09-4111)
    22. Mona Vie Inc v. Exfuze (Filed: June 19, 2009 as 2:2009cv00555)
    23. Oz. et al v. FWM Laboratories, Inc. et al (Filed: August 19, 2009 as 1:2009cv07297)
    24. MonaVie, LLC et al (Filed: October 14, 2009 as 1:2009cv06443)
    25. Guzzardo (Monavie) et al v. Amway Corporation (Filed: October 29, 2009 as 09-4199)
    26. MonaVie v. MXI Corp (Filed: November 23, 2009 as 2:2009cv01041)
    27. MonaVie v. Fruitology (Filed: November 30, 2009 as 2:2009cv01052)
    28. Mona Vie LLC v. Limu (Filed: December 8, 2009 as 2:2009cv01080)
    29. MonaVie v. VM Nutritional et al (Filed: December 22, 2009 as 2:2009cv01133)
    30. Guzzardo (Monavie) et al v. Amway Corporation (Filed: December 29, 2009 as 09-4236)
    31. MonaVie v. Corkin et al (Filed: January 5, 2010 as 2:2010cv00006)
    32. MonaVie v. XOWii et al (Filed: January 22, 2010 as 2:2010cv00048)
    33. MonaVie v. Purity 12 Lifeblend et al (Filed: January 29, 2010 as 2:2010cv00074)
    34. MonaVie v. ZRII (Filed: March 25, 2010 as 2:2010cv00264)
    35. Monavie LLC v. Fruitology Inc (Filed: June 11, 2010 as 2:2010mc00080)
    36. Monavie, LLC v. Fruitology, Inc (Filed: June 14, 2010 as 5:2010mc00037)
    37. Monavie, LLC v. Fruitology, Inc. (Filed: June 14, 2010 as 1:2010mc10207)
    38. Monavie LLC v. Fruitology Inc (Filed: June 29, 2010 as 2:2010cv01067)
    39. XOWII LLC v. Monavie LLC et al (Filed: July 15, 2010 as 8:2010cv01080)
    40. MonaVie v. Fruitology (Filed: September 15, 2010 as 2:2010mc00907)

  28. Rasheed Says:

    I like how distributors tout that MonaVie’s “all-natural” when most people die of natural causes. Oh, and snake venom is also all-natural. Why don’t you add some of that to MonaVie?

    Reading comments on JS makes me ever wonder how I was ever a MonaVie distributor. You can’t form coherent sentences and yet expect other people to take you seriously.

    Pro-tip: if you want to be taken seriously and not as a fool, do your damn research and make no baseless claims. Also, don’t type like a first-grader.

  29. switch Says:

    steve-
    Seems as if steve has heard some facts on the biz, and decided to do a little digging. HEY! Welcome aboard steve! Let me guess, you’ve invested some of your hard earned cash/time and don’t want to believe the truth because some inspirational speaker told you that YOU will soon one day acheive your dreams over some bullshit lies, testimonies, and claims. I have to ask steve, will the legal problems ever go away? How do you, yourself like to rip/scam your family/friends off with the joker juice? Not being able to see the truth is the deception they teach you, just so you can spread their juice/product. I’m telling you now, they don’t give two shits about you as long as you follow them and drink the juice. If not, you are someone who will be doomed for life because of not giving them your credit card! Some of us were in your shoes and the truth spread and thankfully we came to our senses and saw the real truth and deception that most distributors like yourself like to flap their gums about…which is COMPLETE BULL$HIT! Pouring more gas on the fire steve is what distributors like yourself do best and trying to tell us your bull$hit lies that every single other distributor does. Who are you to tell us that our hard work has done nothing??? Matter of fact, it has but you only see what’s around you and in your f’ing juice cult which is your leader tattooing in your head, DRINK THE JUICE so he can benifit off YOU, and than YOURSELF benefiting off…let me guess, your family and friends! You are using them to get wealthy off a juice that has so many legal problems, SO many bogus lies, testimonies, and claims behind it. DO your research ace, look at Mr. Larsen and his previous products like the Royal Tongan Limu juice….same ol’ bull$hit testimonies and lies behind that…. and guess what!??? It was shut down! So the next time you tell us that our work here is useless, why don’t look again if you can stevie wonder!

  30. Vogel Says:

    Seems that Steve and his ilk are the kind of people that don’t see exploiting their friends and family as a problem at all. These are the kind of people that visit family for a few days and stay a month; the “friend” who is always eager to ask for a loan but never pays it back; the neighbor who indefinitely borrows your power tools; the piranha that circles around after grandma’s funeral trying to be the first family member in line to scoop up her valuables. And yes, that was Steve speeding to the head of the merger lane, expecting to be let in at the front of the line ahead of every other car. He’s also that guy who talks too loud in movie theaters and bellows at the top of his lungs on his Bluetooth while he’s getting his second free coffee refill at Starbuck’s; pees on the toilet seat; and doesn’t wash his hands after going to the bathroom. I can see all these qualities and more emanating from Steve’s aura.

  31. Charles Emeka Says:

    The question is why would somebody dedicate an entire website to discrediting a company?
    It’s really sad to see. If you are drawn to this site,please don’t believe everything you read here that is negative about Monavie. Monavie are big boys and can look after themselves but here is what I can say. Try telling my team of over 800 plus folks that Monavie is a scam. It won’t work. We have seen too many lives bettered because of the product. Too many of us have seen consistent and regular income coming in every week.
    Please do not let the one dimensional negative,false news about monavie turn you away. I have hit the rank of Gold in 8 months. It’s about $50,000 a year. I have probably invested about 140 hours into my Monavie business. 140 hours is what most people work every month at their regular job. and we know 80% of the population does not see $5,000 a month.
    Dont believe the naysayers and dream stealers.The site has an agenda and the reporting is totally unbalanced. The person behind this is I’m sure in another deal. Who ever you are, build your enterprise but don’t destroy it for others because what you are doing is damaging the industry in the process.

    You have told so many lies.
    Here is what you can take to the bank,fact.
    The product has changed too many lives,fact, I have been paid every week for the last 6 months,fact, my delivery always arrives, fact and we are having a ball.

  32. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Charles,

    The better question is why wouldn’t you create a website to help the 99.64% of people who lose money due to the company (numbers from MonaVie’s own income disclosure statement)? You should be happy that people like me are around to help consumers out. It is really sad to see that you don’t understand those looking out for the best interest of consumers.

    If you have 800 people making money that means there are 222,222 who have lost money. Read the comments on this website and you’ll see stories of divorce and large debt due to this product and company. You’ll see illegal marketing.

    Please don’t use language like “dream stealers” on this site. We know that it is the language of MLMs to create an us vs. them mentality. It is clear that you use the mind control techniques of cults. Don’t believe me? See this article which lists techniques of cults: “The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.”

    MonaVie knows about this site, they know who I am. I am in no other deal. There’s no hidden agenda. I just want to help people not get scammed into paying $45 for 25 ounces of juice, when it lacks nutrition according to independent studies as well as the the government’s definition of servings of fruit.

    If I have told any lies please point them out. I don’t see you arguing with any particular point in any of my articles.

  33. Vogel Says:

    Charles Emeka said: “The question is why would somebody dedicate an entire website to discrediting a company?”

    Hmm. Could be because they company uses shady con artists, like Charles, to sell their scam juice. Sadly, like every other distributor, Charles is marketing Monavie as a disease cure. This fool claims that Monavie can treat heart attacks and lower blood pressure:
    “Please take out time to take a second look at what Monavie is offering. For me personally, I have benefited personally from the results it’s had in my family. My mom is a sufferer of 3 heart attacks and she’s had tremendous results on the product. About 6 weeks ago my brother had a small heart attack and his blood pressure was skyrocketing. The hospital didn’t really know what to do and just by drinking half a bottle of Monavie his blood pressure dropped within a 2 hour period.”
    http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=iChqaZZyy5Y&feature=related

    Charles posted that idiotic video on YouTube as “Xdaddy”, the same name he used to post this other testimonial video – laughable for its obvious insincerity — claiming that Monavie magically clears up antibiotic–resistant skin infections.
    http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=RwJPCQYSW0U&feature=related

    Go ahead and get all sanctimonious now Charles. Yer a tosser mate…a real wanker!

  34. Humiliated Says:

    Charles. The answer is, Lazy Man, who put ONE article out about Monavie waaaaay back when and got such an overwhelming response from both camps, the discussion continued. Then the lies & the false claims came out from the distributors. Having been a distributor myself, I KNOW that these lies are perpetrated every single day. I remember asking what the EXACT ingredients were (ie how much liquid glucosamine etc.)and was referred to the Monavie website. The answers are not there. Then I was fed some BS line about they keep the “recipe” a secret because another company might try to steal or copy it. Finally, some studies are done showing that the nutritional content is neglible and that the juice is extremely overpriced.

    I also sensed a cult like atmosphere every time I went to a meeting. I started to get worried because no legitimate business operates this way. My up-line not answering questions, not KNOWING the answers and simply saying that you are robbing your friends and family of health and wealth if you don’t share this with them. What the??? Guilt? I wonder who uses that as a technique? Wait for it…a BONA FIDE CULT!

    People come to this site because they “sense” something is amiss and they are looking for answers. People are a lot smarter then you give them credit for. Thank God.

    Lazy has abosolutely no agenda but to help people be aware of these scams. Rather then spouting off an accusing him of being a part of some conspiracy, you ought to try to understand what this blog is all about (and who Lazyman actually is) by reading further. Otherwise, you come off as paranoid and ignorant.

  35. Mackwiz Says:

    Emeka why not post your distributor ID like your contract says you are required to? I would inquire with MonaVie as to your current standing rank so as to get a bonafide true statement. Hey, if you aren’t lying and you really are pulling in big bucks, let’s see it.

    Approaching BS overload…
    “You have told so many lies.
    Here is what you can take to the bank,fact.
    The product has changed too many lives,fact, I have been paid every week for the last 6 months,fact, my delivery always arrives, fact and we are having a ball.”

    Yeah, even if that is true, which it most likely is not, it doesn’t bode well that you’ve made that money and drink that juice off the backs of hapless distributors who aren’t even cutting even. I guess the fact that you’ve fed them the pseudo-religious BS from TEAM to get them hyped makes it ok, right?

  36. switch Says:

    Charles-
    If I were you, I would do a little more homework. You can start by looking at Mr. Larsen’s previous product before he launched M.V.

    Second, according to you….you’re team of 800 people are doing just fine….can you honestly say that you’re monitoring every single thing your team of 800 is saying to others in their spare time to get their business up and going? I find that very hard to believe considering all the legal problems that surround the juice like the Winfrey lawsuit….And yet, you point the fingers in our direction saying that we’ve told so many lies when the truth was that we’ve only told our own story behind what happened and now we’re coming forward. But people like you are saying we are liars??? Lets back track just a little bit…there has been lawsuits on the company for false claims on the acai berry alone let alone the juice itself. Distributors were telling their audiences that Oprah, Dr. Oz, and other well known celebs like Rachel Ray too were endorsing the products just because they were seen with the product. Should we get into the sports teams? Don’t tell me I’m a liar when this happened in my own livingroom for so many months! Meeting after meeting and that’s all I heard was how these celebs were endorsing M.V. And to tell you the truth, these people were higher than golds in the business and were using these false claims, and lies to build their business. Matter of fact, they ADMITTED that one of their strengths were to use celebs names in building their business when they didn’t even know it was illegal. That was the sick part.

    Lets take three of the top lies that I’ve heard out of distributors.

    1. It can cure cancer.
    2. It cured heart disease and lowered chelosterol.
    3. It’s helped people loose weight.

    Those are JUST three out of so many lies distributors have told me and my family. But you can definitely say that your team of 800 or so is perfect and in the 8 months of you building your business, not a single sole on your team has never violated or fractured a rule in your biz in order for you to rake in your salary of almost 50k a year? I find that very hard to believe sir.

  37. Mackwiz Says:

    He’s saying that we tell the lies because he is in panic mode and likely quite angered and flustered after reading the content on this site.

    I could imagine if I was building the business in MonaVie and actually believed their babble I would be quite pissed and agitated to find this website. “Liars!” I would shout. “You just hate all the love and awesomeness in MonaVie” I would say.

    Then I would disappear while saying “god bless you” just to be a self-righteous dolt and never post my distributor ID.

  38. Vogel Says:

    Emeka is part of a UK-based Monavie distribution team called Trailblazers led by Charles Ajayi-Khiran. Other members include Femi Oshokoya, Nimi Tyger, Anietie Eka, Itua Aitonje, and Dionne Jude. Probably all puttin’ the screws to their African brothers and sisters over there in London. I’ll refrain from mentioning those Nigerian 419 scams…oops, now I’ve done it!

  39. switch Says:

    Mackwiz-
    LOL! Of course he’s upset….he’s invested way too much time and cash into his business and he’s finally reading the TRUTH!

    Congrats Charles! You’re scamming innocent families over a highly overated fruit juice to make yourself wealthy!!!

  40. Mackwiz Says:

    Khiran is a motivational speaker by trade which says a lot about his involvement in MonaVie.

    Just found out that Emeka is also a motivational speaker.

    Great, a whole legion of pied pipers, leading people right off the cliffs, smiling all the way.

    This just proves that the juice is not the real product, the real sale is motivational pandering, getting people hyped up to join a pyramid with illusory dreams only a few distributors actually attain.

    I am all for motivation, but making money off the illusion MonaVie presents seems like a grave misdirection.

  41. bryant wells Says:

    I’m not sure “wehre” in here I read it but someone DID “say” ( not just what I THINK) that Dr. Schauss claimed the high ORAC rating because he was “with Monavie”) and as far as you suggesting “i research your site”? Honestly, it’s way to negative and sarcastic for me to spend any more time on..lol.. seriously man.. regardless of what knowledge you may have your responses are very bitter, sarcastic and angry as opposed to simply answering questions like a mature adult. I used to live a life of hatred, anger, addiction and alcoholism and was in this mode… to dark for me man. I like to spend my time helping people, building them up, encouraging them. It seems, yes, there is a market for negative bitterness but now my direction.. I have a sneaking suspicion that this will generate yet another “negative and bitter reposnse” which is NOT what I was after.. just asked a question and got read the riot act. What REALLY intrigued me is you responded to my comment.. good enough… the must have spent precious time, to GO BACK to it, re read it.. and felt the need for MORE bitterness and negativity to respond AGAIN 2 hours later!?!?..lol.. Really? You wasted THAT much time spending and giving negative, hateful, bitter energy?? Sad actually but I will pray for you and your followers that you all find the true peace that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ can provide.. best of luck and God Bless. We all have the option to be happy and make someone smile or be negative and TRY to bring people down. Ima b smilin’ yo! From now until forever bro! Positive energy from me flo! That’s it I’m out it time to go! PEAS!

  42. MonaVie Scam Says:

    You are saying that this website is negative? That’s a unique perspective. Wait, no it isn’t. I wrote why this website isn’t negative a month ago: MonaVie and Negativity. I must be able to able to read your mind. There is no negativity here… we just want to prevent people from being scammed. You can’t get any more positive than that. You perceive it as negativity the way that crooks consider police negative.

    I’ll give you the sarcastic point… understand it is hard not to be sarcastic when you’ve proven with the same idiotic comments false for the 500th time. However, when you give us a sarcastic question (“Was Dr. Schauss with Monavie when he did his research on which he won the Linus Pauling award AFTER having his research critiqued by everyone in the world? I’m just asking. I don’t know. Anyone?”) You are going to get a sarcastic answer. If you want me to answer you like a mature adult, digest the information that I’ve already presented you and ask an intelligent question. Also, mature adults don’t “blah, blah, blah” the most important information.

    If you are involved in MLMs, you aren’t spending time helping people. You are leeching off them. If you really want to help people do something like I’m doing. Start a website and provide them with helpful information… and ask for nothing in return.

    You seem to imply that I responded twice to your comment two hours apart. Which comment did I respond to twice again?

    Bryant Wells, you really don’t know my other website do you? Well if you did more reading here, you’d know that it doesn’t bring people down. People who live good, honest lives are helped by me every day. People who scam others in these MLM schemes? Well you get from what you give. Quit scamming people and soon you’ll get to the end of this “life of hatred” that you talk about.

  43. Rasheed Says:

    In all technicality, there is negativity. Negativity against scams and overpriced products.

    I quite like MS’s comment that it’s negativity the same way that criminals see police as negative.

    “I’m robbing this bank so I can feed the poor! The cops are against me though!! Why does everyone see me as a criminal?? They must all be negative!”

    It’s the same idea.

    Of course, not ALL MLM’s are bad, in my opinion. Just the ones that claim to cure every disease in the world and also resurrect your dead grandma, and sell it at $40 per week per person. Only the MLMs that lie to you are the bad ones.

    Look at pampered chef for example (http://www.juicescam.com/warren-buffetts-pampered-chef-and-monavie/) You can see objective benefits of the kitchenware and the pricing is competitive. They don’t need to lie because the product sells itself. The quality of the product is enough for people to tell their friends about how great (and cheap) it is.

    But if someone doesn’t like it, that’s fine, they don’t buy it. Easy as that.

    With MonaVie, you have NO idea what you are putting into your body. You’re putting 19 fruits… at four ounces per day… seriously, what exactly are you putting into your body? Fruit juice? Great, just buy it somewhere else! It’ll be cheaper too, and you can drink as much as you want without worrying about how much it costs because regular fruit juice is rather inexpensive.

    Just food for thought. Or rather, fruit for thought. lol

  44. MonaVie Scam Says:

    That’s a great summation of my thoughts, Rasheed.

    I would go a little further and say that people have some idea of what they are putting in their body with MonaVie. It isn’t 19 fruits. It is 4 ounces of 100% fruit juice. No one can argue that point. The nutritional value of 4 ounces of 100% fruit juice is clearly explained by a combination of three government agencies (FDA, USDA, CDC) here: http://www.juicescam.com/4-ounces-of-monavie-is-1-serving-of-fruit/.

    It is extremely straight-forward.

  45. Rasheed Says:

    One would think it is extremely straightforward… but when I mentioned that the FDA shows that the ORAC value of an apple is almost thrice that of 4 oz of MonaVie to my upline, this is what he said:

    “After meeting many of the Team and Monavie leaders I believe in them more than I do our government or some random postings on the web. Yes, I trust Monavie and Team leaders more than I trust our government and the FDA.

    The truth is that in network marketing the worst thing you can do is try to put one over on your distributors. Our government is drifting closer and closer to socialism with every election. One of the main things that socialists, communists, fascists, etc. do is count on propaganda (LIES). Dalin and Orrin promote entrepreneurship and standing for principles which requires truth. Socialism REQUIRES lies.

    I know that Dalin and Orrin stand for principles that our government does not stand for. Our government blows with the wind of popular opinion.”

    So apparently a few charismatic guys who can sell juice and say that juice is the best thing since the automobile, and get paid for every bottle of juice you buy, consumed or not, are more trustworthy than the government who does not get paid by you knowing than an apple has an ORAC value of 6500.

    If that’s not brainwashy, I have no idea what is.

  46. MonaVie Scam Says:

    But they trust the same government organizations that say that you need X amount of fruit and vegetables a day. Gotta love how you can believe only half of the government’s information and ignore the claim the other half is untrustworthy because it came from the government.

    I would love to have a conversation with these people some day. I would like to ask what the motivation of the U.S. government is lie about the ORAC of an apple. We can use other fruit as well if they’d like. They can have the fruit tested if they want. It isn’t a question of faith or belief. Furthermore, I would suggest that they leave the country and support a government that matches their ideals.

    I would then point out how MonaVie Lies about the ORAC score of MonaVie…. so clearly MonaVie is a socialist organization that can’t be trusted ;-).

  47. Mackwiz Says:

    Bryant Wells,

    That is quite a cookie-cutter argument you have there. Starts off with “you are all just haters”, follows up “I used to be like that now I am so much better (than you)”, then leads to “you are all losers writing on here” and then tops it all off with the classic “God bless you” and religious posturing, as if that is not all condescending and sarcastic in itself.
    Yes, we here at juicescam.com are in dire need of a blessing to see the wonders of 40 dollar fruit juice.

    Not all negativity is bad. There are a lot of people negative about the bank bailouts, does that make them bitter, sarcastic haters? People like Vogel, MS, Aussie, and Foodtech have been trying to explain the problems with MonaVie for years but are met with “I can’t hear you, Lalalalla” by distributors who come on here with back pain, depression, and headache cure claims.

    If they really were negative people, they would have given up by now and left people like you to their fate.

    I’m not really sure what you are trying to tell us with your holier than thou ramble; I think it might be, “come on, just give a rest and let us scam people, stop raising up an opposition”.

  48. Rasheed Says:

    MS,

    Funny you mention that. The email that elicited that “oh-so-insightful” reply actually cited Alexander Schauss’s own study, and the math explicitly showing that MonaVie lies about its ORAC score.

    But of course he ignored that and went straight for the comparison with the FDA approved apple.

    He also said…

    “Even given all the things you mentioned in your email, assuming they were true, Monavie is still way better for you than drugs like Lipitor or drinking coffee or 5 hour energy or fast food. Have you seen the vitamin composition of Acai? An apple doesn’t have anything on that composition if you want to look at cost effectiveness. How do you refute all the testimonies that we have seen on the Team?”

    It’s clear that my upline is very misled. MonaVie doesn’t replace drinking coffee since it doesn’t give energy. It doesn’t replace food because it lacks nutrition. And the vitamin composition of acai is irrelevant because Monavie lacks acai too.

    Of course, I told him all that, and I didn’t get a response. My guess is that he doesn’t care because he’s making money. He hasn’t broken even yet (since he spends close to $1k per month on tools) but the fact that MonaVie and TEAM sends him checks makes him believe that he’s gonna make it big.

    He has also been involved with TEAM even before MonaVie when they were with AmQuix. There comes a time where you realize that you are spending more than you’re earning… usually at that point, you stop. I guess not when you’re in a cult…

 
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