The Problem with the “Try MonaVie” Argument

babylove,

You should take your own advice and read before you comment. Whether or not the parties commenting here have or have not tried the juice is information readily found herein.

And whether or not they have partaken of your faux super grape juice, has no impact on the facts that have been presented which show, in no uncertain terms, that your juice is just over priced, over hyped grape juice.

But, I would like to know just how your life has changed, since you stated:

Me and my bf have been drinking it for 3 weeks now and both of our lives have changed

. I’ll be waiting for your answer…with some sort of verifiable proof, of course.

Oh, and do you have a name and distributor ID number to go along with your MonaVie contract violation that you just posted?

What bothered me the most about babylove’s post was that it had nothing to do with the topic of this thread. This seems to be a chronic problem with Monavie distributors. Why do they squirt out this puerile irrelevant nonsense so indiscriminantly? Is it that they are too inexperienced with blogs? Dimwittedness? A purposeful effort to derail discussions?

Getting back to the topic – MORE misusing funds – babylove seems to concede this point. What kind of fool would plug juice from a company that runs a crooked kids charity (AND illegally promotes their second-rate preservative-laced pi$$ punch as a cancer cure)?

I’m a certified personal fitness trainer, and whilst I can attest to the fact that Mona-Vie’s Acai juice is highly nutritious and appears to be a quality product, I see it as extremely overpriced, as are most nutritionals and such sold within MLM/Network Marketing business plans.

Rogers states “I’m a certified personal fitness trainer, and whilst I can attest to the fact that Mona-Vie’s Acai juice is highly nutritious and appears to be a quality product, I see it as extremely overpriced, as are most nutritionals and such sold within MLM/Network Marketing business plans.”

Monavie Scam – I’d also like to have Roger back up his claim that Monavie is highly nutritious and reference the literature in support of same.

How exactly did you come to this conclusion?

Vogel/Anonymous Aussie – examine the facts. The Acai berry is highly nutritious and has very high anti-oxidant value. There are a whole bunch of other products out there, Xango, Goji, Noni and so forth. All pretty good quality products which are all highly nutritious – I do not represent any of them, nor do I endorse or recommend any of these products, however when I’m training a client, and they question whether “this stuff is any good”, I look at the nutrition panel and the breakup of what’s in there and with most of these drinks, as well as vitamins (USANA, Amways’ Nutriway, etc), you’re better off taking them than not taking them (however how the thickness of your wallet ends up is another question).

Whilst all these juices, powders and pills are all good quality products, whether they represent good value for money is subject to interpresentation,

Roger states “Vogel/Anonymous Aussie – examine the facts. The Acai berry is highly nutritious and has very high anti-oxidant value. There are a whole bunch of other products out there, Xango, Goji, Noni and so forth. All pretty good quality products which are all highly nutritious – I do not represent any of them, nor do I endorse or recommend any of these products, however when I’m training a client, and they question whether “this stuff is any good”, I look at the nutrition panel and the breakup of what’s in there and with most of these drinks, as well as vitamins (USANA, Amways’ Nutriway, etc), you’re better off taking them than not taking them (however how the thickness of your wallet ends up is another question).”

What nutritional panel were you actually reading during your research of Monavie and how did it escape your attention that Monavie Original and Active offer a daily value of 2% vitamin C, 2% iron and 1% carbohydrates and Pulse offers 3% carbohydrates, 2% fat, 1% fibre, 4% vitamin A and 2% iron.
http://www.blackdiamonduniversity.com/pdf/monavie-products.pdf
http://www.blackdiamonduniversity.com/training-MonaVie-Pulse-facts.asp

And how did it escape your attention that Monavie is preserved with the chemical preservative sodium benzoate?!

Again, where is evidence of the research you did which caused you to come to the conclusion that Monavie is “highly nutritious” – because as it stands, the facts state otherwise.

Whole foods are a challenge at the best of times when you consider the depleted soils they are grown in.

Fact remains that these overpriced “super juices” are exactly that. Super juices, perhaps yet, maybe not so super, but certainly at the super and of the price scale.

As an exercise and nutrition professional with over 23 years of practical industry experience, the main thing I tend to question about these products is not so much their nutritional content, but their PRICE.

When it comes to nutritional content, the poor end of town usually gets shot down first. Whilst Mova_Vie probably has a lot less Acai than one is lead to believe, its a whole lot more nutritious than that, but is it really that more nutritious than say something else you buy at a supermarket (for much less).

When a client comes to me saying they take this and that joice or tablet, etc, its not my job to immediately denounce or shoot down anyhing that looks and smells like MLM, reality is that if there’s some merit in the product, I tell them this stuff aint cheap, there ARE alternatives I CAN advise as a CERTIFIED HEALTH PROFESSIONAL, unbiased.

The main issue I have with these products is THEIR PRICE. Poor quality products that disappoing the marketplace usually DO NOT LAST the distance the the companies behind them invariably go under.

Whole foods are not a challenge and there is little evidence of “depleted soils.” If the soil was not good, the plants wouldn’t grow, it is very much that simple. If anything, MonaVie should be ashamed for shipping acai around the world as it is bad for one’s carbon footprint. A socially conscious consumer buys locally.

This is the third time that you’ve (Roger) tried to claim that MonaVie is nutritious. This time you are calling it a “super juice” and saying it lives up to its name. We have presented numerous evidence that MonaVie is not nutritious (famously this one for example, or else just look at the label and see there are almost no vitamins, minerals, protein or fiber in it.) and you have presented zero evidence that it is nutritious. Roger, you failed in epic fashion.

It is correct that poor quality products typically do not last in the marketplace. That is exactly why MonaVie avoids the marketplace. You won’t find it grocery stores because it would fail there. Instead, MonaVie brainwashes distributors into thinking MonaVie is a path to make their dreams come true… and that is the product they are actually selling. The product could be sugar packets and it wouldn’t matter.

Roger, you seem to be grasping only half the picture (that Monavie is overpriced) while stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the other half (that Monavie is not nutritious nor is it a “super” juice). As for your argument from authority (in upper case no less) that you “a CERTIFIED HEALTH PROFESSIONAL”, you need to get a grip on reality. You may be a fitness trainer, but that does not make you a “health professional” by any stretch of the imagination. Unfortunately, anyone can join the ranks of certified fitness trainers simply by ordering a certificate online. Stick to what you know (whatever that might be) and avoid the braggadocio.

By your own admission (on several other websites) you are a cab driver who was 40 kilos overweight, then you trimmed down and entered into a trainer’s certification program sometime within the last 2 years. And with that minimal bit of experience, you now pretend to be a “certified health professional”, who, it seems, expends most of their efforts plugging MLM products like greeting cards and Advanced Cell Therapy energy drinks. BTW, if you were in shape, you wouldn’t need to suck your gut in so much in all your photos…looks pretty silly.

Now, I don’t bring any of this up just to be mean, but I’ve see your type too many times before at too many gyms in the U.S., and it greatly concerns me when I witness minimally-qualified people pretending to be something they aren’t and using their out-of-shape clientele as a captive audience on which to foist overpriced useless MLM products and poorly-grounded, self-serving nutritional advice.

Sammy, I had to move your comment because you couldn’t follow the rules. You should have read this article an responded to it (it addresses your points about trying MonaVie), instead of posting in the Oprah suing MonaVie thread.

Remember, MonaVie is “just fruit” (according to countless distributors). Well, that an a preservative that is a known carcinogen… and stripped of almost all the good stuff like fiber, vitamins, and minerals. I’ve tried fruit… almost everyone has. I don’t think anyone has ever had an apple and said, “wow, that work for me.” If the fruit itself can’t draw the reaction, a small subset of the fruit’s nutritional value doesn’t work either.

I love how you use the typical “I am not a MonaVie distributor, but…” argument. Good job. You also went to the typical playbook of personal testimonies… too bad they are MonaVie medical testimonies are pointless.

To add to this “Try MonaVie” topic, I have to add that MonaVie speakers try to make an argument that regular medicine is bad. They do not out right start making the ‘it cures depression and back pain’ claims, but they get around that by saying that prescription medicine leads to only having to take more prescription medicine to help with the side effects of the original medicine and so on, and MonaVie is Au Naturale.

The argument is (at least when I saw the presentation): “Nature put the cure here already, big pharm is BS”.

If you believe this, please understand that Acai itself is something called woo:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Woo

The reason why I am becoming so adamant about talking about MonaVie is because honest people are getting ripped off and being told MonaVie is some medicine of the future miracle cure. This is dangerous and borders on cult mentality.

If it is this great then why isn’t every MonaVie distributor rushing to any and every scientist they can find? You guys supposedly have the answer to the health problem of the entire human race, so why are you not doing everything you can to get the evidence to make MonaVie the #1 product in the world? Note: Writing on a blog saying “I had back pain, depression, arthritis, insomnia, etc and it all went away with MonaVie!” is not evidence. I could make a claim like that with gingseng. Go to a doctor and let’s get some real evidence!

Science works, testifying for juice does not.

You’d think that if you had the miracle cure of the century to cure (quoting Sammy) “severe depression and anxiety, major stomach issues and arthritis” you’d be going to every doctor and scientist to get this scientifically verified and to the public rather than peddle it in a multi level pyramid.

I mean if I found such an awesome cure for things humans have to suffer through daily I’d devote my life to getting it out there through scientific evidence and I would care less about making a profit.

Acai is woo. Look it up (woo). It’s fruit… not a miracle drug. That fancy wine bottle is gimped acai. That’s woo of the woo.

I agree Mackwiz, it makes no sense that this “miracle cure” is not mainstream and there is a reason for it. For every “story/fable” you hear that MV “helped” someone, there are a hundred where it did nothing, absolutely nothing. I guess you have to “open your heart and let Monavie and Jesus in” in order for it to work.

I do have to say though, depression and anxiety are very real to a lot of people and their struggle shouldn’t be diminished. Whatever path you choose to overcome this(counselling, meditation, medications)is your own journey based upon the etiology of your depression. But how dare anyone suggest that this stupid juice will “cure” it. I could just as easily state that one of my “victims’ did suffer from profound depression at times and the “juice” did absolutely nothing to lift it. It would be true but I know that it is just a testimonial. We have said it before, people could go off their NECESSARY medications (and I am certainly not saying that everyone on anti-depressants or anti-anxiety meds need to be on them forever but that has NOTHING to do with Monavie) and do harm to themselves or others.

Mackwiz states “That is why I am getting so adamant about this scam, it is preying on well-meaning people who in turn (with thinly-veiled support from MonaVie) are making dangerous and irresponsible health claims.”

Can you imagine the potential consequences of people with serious conditions who are being treated appropriately and actually taking the advice of these representatives literally?!

I shudder to think of a person with depression for example substituting their treatment regime with Monavie and what the potential outcome could be.

Shocking.

The feel good effect of “trying” this juice may be more than a placebo effect. I have been very tempted to become involved but wanted to check out the ingredients first. Check out what wikipedia has to say about the “camu-camu” berry. It has a “feel-good” effect. It might be what people are experiencing. Another possibility is, that most people (sorry to say this) are full of … need to eliminate. This can cause lower back pain. (Makes sense) One of the first thing that new-comers notice (mostly men) is that their lower back pain is gone. Great. But, it is probably due to the prune juice in the mix. A bottle of Mott’s might be a much cheaper way to go. Just some thoughts. That’s not to say there may be some health benefits in the acai, too.

7-10 Servings of fruit and veggies a Day. Around 30 Days in one month. We’re looking at 210 to 300 servings of fruit and veggies a month. Monavie is simply an easy way to get your servings through one shot in the morning and one shot before bed. The cost is not near what it would be to buy as many fruits and veggies your body needs a day. Very rarely do any of you eat more than 200 servings in one month and neither did I nor am I financially able to.

[Editor's Note: This person is misguided. 4 Ounces of MonaVie is 1 Serving of Fruit. If you want to eat 210 servings of fruit from MonaVie it is going to cost you $1512 a month (retail price of 4 ounces, 1 serving, is $7.20). Are you financially able to do that? MonaVie has no vegetables at all either.]

As far as benefits went, being a full time college student and football player I go on about 3-5 hours of sleep at night (Less during the weekends). For two years I lived on Monstar, Rockstar, and Redbull and after a year or so of it you cannot explain the toll it begins to take on you, but I had no other way to stay awake in class so I kept pushing through. I was introduced to Monavie a few months ago and after a week and also half a bottle later, the first thing I noticed was being able to wake up much easier and not putting too much effort in snoozing my alarm clock(s). Then I noticed not yawning as much and I also would rarely sleep through my classes anymore. Now my body is on auto-pilot and I have stopped drinking energy drinks and have been able to get through days without struggle. It did take more than a day to kick in.(people who say they felt it after a day either have a very bad diet or are included in the “placebo effect”).

[Editor's Note: One who is concerned about his health would not "live on" any energy drinks. Such a person would also find a way to get more hours of sleep if he is going to be a effective football player.]

That alone has made me a happier person all around and I have spread this truth to many people. Stop thinking this is some miracle juice and is going cure you of all diseases. If someone is advertising that then they deserve any criticism directed towards them.

[Editor's Note: That is the message that MonaVie distributors are pushing. Or they are misinformed about the servings of fruit like yourself. Distributors have to resort to these lies because otherwise people would save themselves $30 a bottle and purchase any number of options of equal or better nutrition at the grocery store.]

Monavie is simple and there is not much to it. I enjoy having not much more, but definitely more energy with just one shot in the morning and one at night.
For people who have not felt it. You may already have a healthy diet and have enough sleep and or exercise, which is why Monavie is not right for you. This product is not for everyone but I was fortunate enough to be someone that it is for.

In my opinion, the fact that MonaVie juice is so horrendously expensive doesn’t help its cause either. My ex-wife got involved with it as new new partner was in it and actively promoting it.

Something like $60 a bottle, along with such a price tag come very high expectations, and it seems clear that not only is there no shortage of people on websites like this ready and armed to shoot it down, but the facts about the product and its supposed nutritional value all point towards this product being poor value for money and not what its cracked up to be.

If you’re looking for a REAL business, don’t believe the hype, step back and do the same due diligence you would apply if you were getting involved in a conventional business. Overheads, marketing costs, who are your customers, how are you going to reach out to them and present your product(s) to them, can they afford the product, is it affordable to the masses or only those who have $200-$300 to spare…

It’s a tiny bit different with, say, Amway, where the distributor’s argument is well you’re buying various household consumables from regular stores anyway, but in reality when you do the math, their products too are expensive. My past research found that Kelloggs and Pepsi products are still cheaper in the supermarket, so this shoots down any assertion that buying dish drops, washing powder and such through your Amway business won’t save you any money but quite the contrary. It becomes more attractive when you reach the 18% or 21% pin level, but the vast majority of distributors never make it past the 3 or maybe 6% pin level…

That’s only because the CEO of MonaVie got raided by the Department of Justice at his previous company – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Tongan_Limu. He’s been careful not to publicly say such things since it is illegal.

Instead they go with implications such as MonaVie helps with brain injuries – which, by the way, is also illegal.

Thanks for showing that you can’t debate the topic of MonaVie reasonably and instead can only attempt to insult people who bring up relevant facts about MonaVie.

Camaroguy, I am confused. Have you read ANY of the articles or posts on here?

Try going through these posts and seeing how many of “your people” make illegal claims about this fruit punch.

You say
” No matter what you do or what product you have someone is always around to say you will not be a sucsess or make money. Most of the time those people are unhappy people who cannot stand seeing other people do what they can’t”.

First of all, none of us are against people making money (in fact the gentleman running this site has a sister site called “Lazy Man and Money” in which he provides financial advice) but we would like to see people make it ethically. I was involved in MonaVie and I KNOW what lies were told, I KNOW that people were telling stories about how this cured their cancer etc..I KNOW the false information that was being fed to us. Once I figured out that I was part of a scheme to defraud people, I decided to quit and to share my experiences. It was a MORAL thing. Whacky right?

But even if I didn’t have a conscience, no one I knew, except waaaaay up my upline, were making any money because this “business” is shaped oddly like a pyramid. Less than 1% of people make any money with MonaVie or any other MLM so you go on kidding yourself about how much money you are going to make. I won’t be able to convince you otherwise but don’t quit your day job.

Finally, NO, I don’t eat stuff I grow but I eat a lot more healthy then most of the people I met in MonaVie. I eat fruits and veggies every day. You do realize that a daily serving of MonaVie is like having ONE fruit per day, and not even organic right? It has less anti-oxidants than a store bought apple, right? This is based on testing by your own “Doctor” Schauss.

Do your homework and then come back and talk to us.

I am going to “try Monavie” & I think you have led to me to this decision. For a year now I have watched several of my friends drink the juice with exceptional results far and beyond placebo. There is no way after all the holistic approaches I have watched them participate in w/o placebo affects leaving them with absolutely no true results and the prescriptions that they have devoured for years with no real improvement but the side effects they had to live with, even when they were excited or hopeful that they had finally found the perfect regiment to change the course of their health…not enough improvement for the doctor. I could go on and on about how I have seen so many great changes that it has spiked my interest. But I would imagine I would only be accused of claiming cures. I know I do claim that in all the healthy diet adjustments in my life and the price of organic foods I can not achieve the same results they have had.

So today I will order my first case and “try Monavie” for myself. I am not a big fan of articles and opinion because this is what happens, total confused lost in arguing instead of being productive. I find much more science in watching how others like and respond to the product. I couldn’t possible ignore the results I see at this point!

Thanks Lazy Man, BTW I find it a little bit of a conflict of interest when you sell tools to mlm distributors who are signed up by companies you do not approve of. Does not seem like you are indeed looking out for the consumers best interest there, if you truly believe that mlm’s rip people off. Telemarketing is dead and leads for mlm’s are hardly useful anymore. The web is stopped up and clogged with at home business websites. & the world is being forced to get back in front of people to be successful. It is hard to not get lost in the big black hole of the internet. Old school marketing might work for Avon, Tupperware, or Mary Kay…I am not sure I have the time or interest in becoming a distributor but I am in face committing to drinking the 4 ounces of juice daily. ;-)

Suzy, knock yourself out. No one is stopping you from wasting your money on Monavie, we are just here to tell OUR stories. Mine is that I wasn’t a good enough salesperson to convince my friends and family, who were loyal & supportive in my brief foray into MLM insanity. I wasn’t good enough because no one had any health benefits after being “on the juice” for months and months and months. I hadn’t CONVINCED them that it would work. Mea Culpa.

I also had a lot of back and knee pain which NEVER disappeared or abated. I got ZERO out of Monavie except I DID lose weight…in my BANK ACCOUNT!

You also need to learn how these sites work and that our host has no control over the advertising that Google displays on this page. He has done NOTHING but help people by giving them sound financial advice. He has had people thanking him profusely “off-line” for helping them NOT waste their money on Monavie.

Obviously none of the truths on here resonate with you because you have convinced yourself that you WILL drink the kool aid, I mean Juice. At least go on Ebay and buy it for cheaper. The Diamonds who are blatantly (and likely with Monavie Corporate’s blessing)contravening the companies compliance policy by front loading the product will thank you!!

Hi Suzy, if you’re concerned about the quality of your food and water, do you :
1. Use a RO (Reverse Osmosis) Water filter ?
2. Eat only organically grown veg and eat only hormone-free meats?
My ex got involved with her new partner and were talking big things about MonaVie a couple of years ago, citing that I’m wasting my time with SendOutCards and drinkACT and I should get behind a company with REAL MOMENTUM with an amazing product.

18 months later, 6 months ago in fact, they gave up on the business. They too weren’t good enough to convince people to fork out $60+ per bottle of this supposedly nutritious super-juice. That comes to no surprise to me, especially in a country like Australia where the cost of living, especially daily essentials is horrendously expensive. $35/kg for rump steak, $16/kg for a kg of bananas, $1.55 per litre of petrol, and when the average family’s electricity bill of $800-$1000/quarter (average, as we pay between 20c and 28c/kWh for power), guess what goes first when the househol budget’s in a bit of a squeeze. Yep, your scheduled delivery of MonaVie products tends to get the chop first, ahead of having the power cut off, or paying your car registration late.

They’ve since quit Mona Vie, aren’t buying their expensive juice and grossly overpriced (yet incredibly delicious) energy drinks any more. I’m still in my two businesses, both of which are thriving.

Whilst it’s easy to point the finger at websites like scam.com / juicescam.com etc at being degrading and negative, full of people who love their jobs and hate the entreprenaurial livestyle, that might be the case to some degree, but sites like this serve a useful purpose for research, to see what the market place has to say about what you’re getting involved with, stuff your (potential) upline won’t tell you.

I have been eating organic for many years Roger. I do have the expendable income to do that, unlike those on a budget I can invest in my families health! I do not need to sell a juice to make a better living. I do know that my family can hardly consume 13 servings of fruits and vegetables the size of their palm. 60 dollars a bottle is misleading when I know for a fact I just paid 35 a bottle on Auto Ship as a customer. I am also very aware of sodium benzoate and the FDA requirement of 5 parts per billion which MonaVie like many products on the market, is well below.

I have invested in a 6000 dollars water filtration system, not really affordable for the average household. & I certainly never received a penny for referring my friends. I have seen many people go from not being healthy and most of which was due to income level to becoming more and more healthy as they stuck with MonaVie. I am not a die hard, neither do I smoke or drink the kool aide. That could be why it has taken me years to give this a try. Not interested in filling my time with just another business, as I feel me and my husband have built an empire of my own. I haven’t much time to invest in an venture. But I will try the juice w/o bias. I think that the info here can be misleading.

There is no way anyone is charging 60 dollars for a bottle of juice and your info on sodium benzoate is misleading to say the least. I think it is important to allow everyone the opportunity to eat and live healthy. The standard economy is not doing that. It costs an average family far more to eat healthy then to slowly kill themselves.

Thanks for your response humiliated. I will still try it for myself. I haven’t a reason to create a stir. I have no need to defend Monavie at this point. I am bored with it at this point because what you are saying I have never seen within the pact of approximately 10 or so friends in various involvement with Monavie. I think proof is in the pudding. I will give it a try. I think a lot of products we buy out there are in support of a cause others could find less menaingful for themselves. I suppose everyone has an opinion and a choice. That is why this argument will never end. Have an amazing day!

I imagine at this point the only intelligent comments made are the ones that agree with the topic. I have not misrepresented how I am associated with Monavie. I have nothing to prove to any of you. I understand very well how debates work. There is science to support both sides. So the debate will never end. I have seen several studies done but I am sure you will all discredit those. Its like insanity in here. Good evening to all!

Suzy: “I imagine at this point the only intelligent comments made are the ones that agree with the topic.”

If you meant that the most intelligent comments here have been in line with the notion that Monavie is a scam, then yes, you are correct. That’s because Monavie is a scam.

Suzy: “I have nothing to prove to any of you.”

You were trying to right up until your weak arguments were deflated. Now you don’t want to argue because your position cannot be defended.

Suzy: “I understand very well how debates work.”

Maybe you do and maybe you don’t, but one thing is clear – you are completely avoiding anything resembling a debate here. You made a few unsupportable statements and now you are running away because your fallacious logic has been exposed.

Suzy: “There is science to support both sides.”

No, there really isn’t. There is no science that supports the value of the product or any of the miracle cures you alluded to. There is science on one side and fantasy BS on the other.

Suzy: “I have seen several studies done but I am sure you will all discredit those.”

If you are sure that they can be discredited so easily, then why bother mentioning them.

Suzy mentioned that ‘It costs an average family far more to eat healthy then to slowly kill themselves.’

If she’s based in Australia like I am, then that’s not as inane a comment as one overseas might be led to believe – here we pay $5 for a kilo of apples, $2 to $3 for iceberg lettuce, $2 to $5 for a single cucumber, $3 to $4 for a kilo of oranges, $14 to $20 for a kilo of steak. Or you can go to Dominos or Eagle Boys and buy a family sized pizza for $4.95 take-away.
The average hourly wage for a regular worker (non-professional) is around $aud 15 per hour – that should help one put things in perspective.

No wonder the number of families not cooking their own meals anymore on a regular basis is dwindling.

The long and short of MonaVie is that it is GROSSLY OVERPRICED for what it is.

Aloe Commodities, of Carrolton, TX, is a private label manufacturer who also manufactures a product that I market, I’m not sure if they still have the contract to formulate and bottle the Mona Vie Juices (not the energy drink, got no idea who manufactures that for them), but they did until some time last year. They also do Goji, as well as some Nutriway (Amway) and USANA products as well as some of the Herbalife formulation.

Straight from the horse’s mouth (Stewart McKnight – co-owner of the company), the Mona Vie juices are less than $5 including bottling, labelling and boxing, so if dear Suzy is forking out $35 per bottle, plus shipping, that in my book constitutes a rip-off.

The product I market, that’s manufactured by Aloe Commodities, sells for $1 per serving, cost to the MLM company behind the product is around 25c per serving.

Most of MonaVie’s acai by the way doesn’t originate from Brazil in the form of freeze-dried fruit, but as a puree from Bolivia. The ORAC score of freeze-dried fruit is far higher than that of reconstituted juice purees.

Drinking MonaVie is not equivalent to eating 13 serves of fruit, it is supposedly equivalent to ingesting the equivalent antioxidant value of 13 serves of fruit. There’s a difference.

if Suzy has no interest in ‘another business’ – here’s a thought – want to make a REAL DIFFERENCE in the world – ditch MonaVie and slip on down to your local Health Food store and get yourself some wheatgrass or barley grass powder, mix with non-Monavie Juice, and get more nutrition than MonaVie will ever give you, and the money you save, donate it to one of the charities that are helping with the crisis in Somalia. It’s a win-win-win situation – your body, your wallet, and the starving children of africa.

Good morning! I do believe I have finally unsubscribed to this madness. I wish I had the time to fight your debate, as in life there is something that supports every side of an argument. It would, of course, be easier if I had three or more gang busters to help me out. Unfortunately, I can not humor you as I far too much to do.

I have invested a lot in organic foods, I assure you. I am not exactly sure where your getting your figures, but buying organic can cost me two-three times what it cost to buy general populated food, loaded with GMO’s, steroids, antibiotics, etc. Lucky for me I have that income, but I have never had the results with arthritis my friend has had with Monavie. I have juiced aloe, wheat grass, sea weed, and whole fruit. Even I tried an acai juice from my local vitamin and mineral shop. Nope still couldn’t seem to prove my friends who being railroaded in anyway. So in order to see for myself I will try it. Good Health is not something you can see & over the years I have done more for my health & my family health through my own proactive behavior then any doctor could ever do. But never have I achieved the results that my friend with diabetes has achieved, 6 months ago we celebrated her blood sugar returning to a normal level and no longer needing insulin after 60 days on the Active.

I was skeptical and even called it voodoo in a bottle, but I have to put my money where my mouth is. I said if I could no longer ignore the results then I would try it. So I am. If i find it to be less then expected I will report it here in a total truth. But I refuse to debate any longer about opinion. It feels like a religious form. “God is real.” “No he isn’t” “Yes he is.” “Prove it.” “no, you prove he isn’t.”

Science is not perfect. Doctors & scientist have been going back and forth for years. It is call professional opinion for a reason. I do agree that distributors should not take advantage of innocent people and request that they front load cases as I have read here, or put themselves in situations that are financially exhausting. I personally watched several of my friends build at different speeds. At least one of which was not in the same financial position as some of the rest of them and had to work hard to budget her business in, but never did I see her feel pressure to spend money she didn’t have.

Although I did ask about Team Monavie and they made it clear that they were not part of that organization and were part of some R3 something or another. Not sure what that means. But I feel confident to try for myself. To get answers for myself. I did not order enough for my family, it will be just myself trying it. & my friend confirmed she gave me her wholesale price at 140 tax and all, using her unlimited shipping and would be willing to show me. I would not order form ebay because I like to order from people I trust. & to say the least why wouldn’t people take advantage of at least working to offset the cost of their case. I do believe that if I love it as much as they do I will share with enough friends to get mine free. I can not do that on ebay! Just saying!

You will have to excuse my grammar this time! i was in a hurry and no time to proof my response. have an amazing day!

Whether or not people buy organic is not relevant to MonaVie. If you do believe in buying organic food, you shouldn’t try MonaVie, because it is not organic. In fact, it has been shown that Brazil is a world leader in using the most amount of pesticides. You could instead choose an acai juice product like Sambazon (amongst others) that is certified organic.

It is completely unreasonable to suggest that MonaVie help with diabetes

I agree it does sound like a religious forum – and that’s what MonaVie wants. You can look at Brig Hart at R3Global and he’ll do mass baptizing of new people in the business – no joke. The difference is that there’s a wealth of science on the side of MonaVie being ordinary juice, no different than Ocean Spray or Welch’s and no evidence for MonaVie – seriously try to find any. It is impossible to prove whether somewhere in the world a juggling indigo penguin exists. No one can prove the juggling indigo penguin doesn’t exist. The burden of proof of someone making the claim is to show that it does exist. MonaVie is in the same situation. We’ve seen thousands of penguins and juices that are penguins and juices – no indigo and no juggling – no healing from medical conditions.

If MonaVie thinks they have a juice that can do that, they can show it in large scale clinical trials for the FDA, get approval to make such claims, and make tens of billions of dollars in the next 12 months. Why do you think MonaVie hasn’t taken this action? Is it because they wouldn’t like tens of billions of dollars helping people? No. It is because they know that all “results” rely on the placebo effect. So remember that MonaVie can prove its product and chooses not to. The existence of God or juggling penguins aren’t similar.

Science actually is as close to perfect as we as a society have gotten. Why don’t you spend the next hour thinking about which parts of your life has been influenced by science? Watch TV, microwave some food, communicate over the Internet. This is all science. It isn’t the professional opinion that the Internet works.

You make a point about getting your juice for free. You should read this article about the $8 gas station: http://mlmmyth.org/the-mlm-gas-station-and-8-gallon-gas/. For you to get your juice for free, you have to inflict a ton of debt on your “friends” (some friend you are). You all would be better off just buying from Ebay.

Suzy said: “I do not have to make another income & generally I am not moved by money.”

That was the post where you pretend to be financially independent and not financially motivated to post BS about Monavie…

Suzy said: “I am not sure I have the time or interest in becoming a distributor but I am in face committing to drinking the 4 ounces of juice daily. ;-)”

…and in that post you pretend to be uninterested in being a distributor…

Suzy said: “I do not need to sell a juice to make a better living.”

…then for good measure, you reiterate the claim that you aren’t selling juice and aren’t motivated by money…

Suzy said: “I have invested in a 6000 dollars water filtration system, not really affordable for the average household.”

…then you make this claim to make it appear that you’re wealthy and that money is no object to you…

Suzy said: “Not interested in filling my time with just another business, as I feel me and my husband have built an empire of my own. I haven’t much time to invest in an venture. But I will try the juice w/o bias.”

…then you reiterate this “I’m-wealthy-and-don’t-need-money-and-don’t-sell-Monavie” BS…

But then Suzy tipped her hand by saying this: “I would not order form ebay because I like to order from people I trust. & to say the least why wouldn’t people take advantage of at least working to offset the cost of their case. I do believe that if I love it as much as they do I will share with enough friends to get mine free. I can not do that on ebay! Just saying!”

So let me get this straight Suzy, you little confabulator — you repeatedly insisted that you’re wealthy; that you don’t need money; that you have no intention of selling Monavie; and that you aren’t financially motivated to plug the product here. But then in one fell swoop you blow your cover and state that you’ll be selling Monavie because doing so would you give you the opportunity to offset your juice cost (even though E-Bay sells it at the lowest possible wholesale price).

Did I mention that you’re bloody ridiculous?

I looked at part of your video link! I have a question??? ..AND? Not sure what I was supposed to get all huffy about. I don’t have time to watch the whole thing now I have a meeting. Everything I have said is truthful and the fact that you have made an argument out of what I have shared and said just shows how you go out of your way to pick apart anyone even if the truth is being told. You have to be right, even when your “bloody” wrong. I married into money, I was lucky. I still feel some here are jaded.

With that note I will recognize that it appears some distributors have taken advantage of people spending money they do not have. But I do not find that each distributor’s behavior is on Monavie’s hands. I do not understand why you are not spending more time holding individuals responsible for not conducting ethical business and helping verses hurting people. Once again just saying!

Suzy said: “But I do not find that each distributor’s behavior is on Monavie’s hands.”

How did you come to that conclusion? Is that simply an uneducated opinion that you pulled out of yer arse just now, or do you think there is some basis in law for the assertion?

Suzy said: “I do not understand why you are not spending more time holding individuals responsible for not conducting ethical business and helping verses hurting people.”

In fact, we’re trying to do exactly that, but why on earth would you hold us responsible for policing the conduct of distributors? Are you not aware that the task is the company’s responsibility?

Suzy said: “Everything I have said is truthful and the fact that you have made an argument out of what I have shared and said just shows how you go out of your way to pick apart anyone even if the truth is being told.”

So you think that any troll who anonymously posts a comment with no backup evidence and says “I’m telling the truth” should be believed at face value? What kind of bizarre fantasy world do you live in?

The funny thing is that Suzy already confessed that her friends who sell Protandim are making these miracle cure testimonials. So Suzy shouldn’t we be pinning blame on your a-hole friends as well as the company itself?

Roger, on Sept. 19 you left a post including current and previous year sales figures. Can you please cite where those figures came from? Can you please provide a link, I would be very intersted in learning more.

thanks

that’s the link, thanks mate. Go knock yourself out, Jim !

Suzy,

I look forward to hearing your progress and will check this site at least monthly to look for any updated info. If, (<<and that's a big if) you even decide to.

Must be aggravating, being gang-banged when trying to state opinions and hear-say? Lol good luck to you.

Let’s clarify that I never said I was wealthy, not even rich. I said I did not need the money. That gives you absolutely no evidence into my financial status.

Hey Roger, I was looking over that worldwide sales data again and I can’t say that I trust it. I don’t believe that Monavie could possibly be doing anywhere close to even $500 mil in annual sales. Odwalla only does $188 mil a year and they are in every supermarket and corner store in the country.

I also noticed that the data allegedly came from a source claimed to be an anonymous credible company insider. It appears that Tracy Coenen broke this story first (on May 3, 2010). She said:

“I received the following information about multi-level marketing company MonaVie via email from an anonymous source… Note that I have not verified the accuracy of the assumptions in this article from the anonymous source.”
http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2010/05/an-anonymous-source-reveals-numbers-for-monavie/

The anonymous source to whom Coenen referred to said the following about where the data came from:

“It comes from a very credible source inside the company and is something that the common distributor or customer would never see from a private company.”

To reiterate, Coenen’s anonymous source claims to be providing second-hand information from an alleged company insider. Also notice that the anonymous source didn’t specifically state whether the figures represented weekly, monthly, quarterly, or annual sales averages.

A few months later, an even more detailed version of this data, allegedly obtained independently of Coenen, appeared in an article by Ted Nuyten (an ardent MLM loyalist to say the least) on August 8, 2010. His new slicker presentation of the data suddenly included annual sales totals, and they ranged from $663 mil to $541 mil. As to the source of the data, Nuyten claimed the following:

“Business For Home.org received information about MonaVie’s revenue from an anonymous source. We guess it is an insider / employee who is for some reason not happy with the company.”
http://www.businessforhome.org/2010/08/monavie-revenue-2010-under-heavy-pressure/

Five days later (Aug 13), Nuyten claimed that he had received a cease and desist order from Monavie’s lawyers (at the firm Strong & Hanni) because of his release of the sales data. [Note that more than year has passed and the information is still on Nuyten’s site and no followup legal action has been reported.] Nuyten also changed his story about the source of the data. He had originally claimed that he received it from an anonymous source, but then admitted that in fact he got it from Coenen’s article.
http://www.businessforhome.org/2010/08/monavie-letter-to-ted-nuyten-regarding-the-reported-revenue-for-2010/

A couple of days after Nuyten received the CDO, MLM lickspittle Troy Dooly (a self described buddy of Dallin Larsen) jumped in with an oddball entry that included a discussion about the articles by Coenen and Huyten and Monavie’s subsequent CDO to Nuyten, and a very strange propagandistic interview with Dallin Larsen. Conspicuously, Larsen didn’t mention anything about a leak from the inside (or elsewhere for that matter); in fact he didn’t address the issue at all and neither confirmed nor denied the accuracy of the sales figures. But Dooly got all irate and started an idiotic rant about how the alleged whistleblower should be prosecuted for having committed a felony (even though there was absolutely no evidence that a felony had taken place — it would have been a civil suit at best).
http://mlmhelpdesk.com/2010/08/17/monavie-founder-dallin-larsen-shares-about-the-acai-berry-juice-company-after-anonymous-rumors-start-flying/#comments

I’ve read Coenen’s writing before and I think she’s legit and credible, but I don’t trust the sales data at all (nor do I remotely trust Nuyten or Dooly), and all the subsequent coverage of these events reeks of BS. I think we’re all being scammed (not by Coenen though).

Here are a couple of possibilities to consider: (a) the original data were leaked on purpose by Monavie to make it seem as though they are generating $500 mil plus in annual sales; (b) the data were leaked to Coenen by a bona fide whistleblower but the totals represented monthly or quarterly averages, and Nuyten erred by inferring that these were annual averages. Dooly’s article seemed like a canard to throw people off the trail; to keep them from even asking the question “are the data real?” Dooly never raised that glaringly obvious question once. Larsen completely avoided saying anything about it. It looks as though Larsen and Dooly really wanted the public to believe that the sales data and the story about the insider leak were real, but they were careful to not directly confirm nor deny anything.

Even the CDO from Strong & Hanni reeks of BS. A junior partner at the firm writes a ridiculous groundless CDO to Nuyten (a pro-MLMer), who merely based his article on the data Coenen reported, and yet there’s no evidence that they ever sent a CDO to Coenen, who first broke the story 3 months before Nuyten’s article appeared. Nor does it appear that any followup action was taken against Nuyten even though his article is still online. Nothing about this adds up.

Prior to any of these events taking place, many of us here were very loudly skeptical of Monavie’s rumored earnings, mainly because the company is privately held and such claims cannot be verified (and everyone in the organization that we encountered was a chronic liar). So how convenient would it be for the company to nip this controversy in the bud by planting a “credible anonymous source” to leak some false data showing exaggerated revenue?

I was equally skeptical of Monavie’s $854 million revenue claim for 2008 that appeared in Inc. Magazine. Rightly so too — it turned out that it was an unaudited revenue claim submitted directly by Monavie without being verified independently. This was confirmed on Jan 28, 2010 by Jim Melloan, an Inc Magazine project manager who works on the Inc 500 list.
http://www.inc.com/inc5000/2009/the-full-list.html
http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-and-inc-magazines-500/

Let’s ignore for the moment that neither Inc Magazine’s nor the anonymous whistelblower’s revenue claims are reliable — the data do show that Monavie’s annual sales in early 2010 ($541 according to Nuyten) were about one-third lower than what Monavie had claimed to Inc Magazine for fiscal 2008 ($854 mil). That’s an even heftier decline than the -25% that Nuyten mentioned. But in reality, it’s probably much much worse than that (i.e., far lower annual revenue than claimed and a much bigger decline than they are willing to admit to).