Orrin Woodward and TEAM’s Trunks of Tools

Hi again,
I noticed that you know of TEAM. I do buy many cd’s and books for my business but I have not bought the $1,000 tools, nor has anyone coerced me to do so. I look at the money to be made in this business and what it costs to by my materials. It’s almost laughable! Did you know that TEAM is not owned by anyone? That it is its own entity? That it has a policy council that makes decisions for us all, but that 100% of the money that is made from cd’s, books, seminars and other materials goes back to the TEAM members?

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I am a math teacher, and yes I am associated with TEAM, so I am biased, (although I receive no money from them) but I had some questions? I was confused by your post. Did Orrin himself tell you that it’s cheap to start a MonaVie business and then try to sell you a $1000 tool trunk or was it another member of TEAM? OR was it one of the many other organizations that are a part of MonaVie? Because if he didn’t, it seems kind of dumb to call him dishonest? If it was another member of team, then how long had then been associated with TEAM? Newer members do make mistakes on the way they word things so I won’t say it couldn’t have been a TEAM member.

If they were a long time member of time, when they said “cheap” did they mean in relation to buying a coke, or in relation to what it takes to start a business? Because my brother just sunk about $10,000 in starting a restaurant. Even the Media Warrior 2000 is cheap in comparison to that. It’s very nobel of you to try to keep people from making a mistake with their money. Of is there some other motivation behind your website? Are you somehow in competition with MV? How much money do you make off of operating this web site?

You are trying to mislead people with your flawed logic, loaded questions, and incomplete information. Informed readers see right through your lies. Maybe your web site is the real scam?

Next, the word TRUNK, refers to the fact that it is to be stored in the TRUNK of your car. They don’t use the picture of the treasure chest to be deceptive (as demonstrated by the fact that the description cleary says trunk not included), although that is very nice of you to show your ignorance.

Blaming TEAM for your ignorance is like suing McDonald’s for having hot coffee. But geniouses like you are plentiful.

I find it interesting that scam and Orrin Woodward are associated all over the internet. I lasted 2 months in Team MonaVie. Tools was the focus, not the business of MonaVie. I left…then waited my 6 months, joined a different MonaVie group and I have had relative success so far. I own 2 other businesses of which I have well over 100K in it at this point. In comparison, I would have to say at this point I have gotten a better return on my investment in my MonaVie business then I have in both of the other 2 that I have had for over 15 years. I believe Team will be the “BAD” apples anywhere they go as they top leaders don’t practice what they preach. Just my observation and opinion.

Orrin Woodward has been spanked:
Tex has posted a few pages of the actual ruling here: http://texsquixtarblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/orrin-co-are-10s-of-millions-lighter.html

Critical page from the Arbitration decision:
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The source (Amthrax) is linked (just click on it). You can clearly see the screenshot of the prices. Prices may have changed since the publishing of the article. Prices are funny like that.

“I would also like to add that I paid more than the cost of the individual items for my first semester at University roughly 8 years ago.”

Then you should have just bought them individually, right?

The point of the article is three-fold:

1) The price of the trunk was less than buying the individual items (so much for a bulk price). (This may have changed since this was published)

2) There is no actual trunk despite the fact that picture is of a trunk. You don’t get any more misleading than that. (This may have changed since this was published)

3) MonaVie distributors often say that you can get in for $39 and that success depends entirely on you. Then when you don’t have success, they tell you to go to more conferences and buy more tools. Suddenly, the $39 that you were sucked into to start turns into hundreds and thousands. People don’t like to admit a bad investment and often throw more money into it in hopes of breaking even (it happens in the stock market all the time). I’m just pointing out here the costs of these “business tools” which knocks down the minimal business opportunity that MonaVie presents.

I was in TEAM for a full five years. I was involved when it was with Quixtar all the way up to Monavie. The lessons in leadership was great, but expensive. After going to everything they told me to go to and buying everything they told me to buy and telling everyone I possible knew about the business, I finished my five years more in debt then I had ever been. I went bankrupt. After quitting and taking my TEAM blinders off, I would have to agree that tools are promoted to be boughten FOR THEIR PROFIT ONLY. I know this because I made it into profit sharing and that’s what they teach. In todays world, there is no reason that if their true intentions is to get the information to people that they could not just put the audios on their website for people to download. They don’t do that because there is no profit in it. When I made profit sharing, I found there was much more profit from tools then there was from product.

BTW, any pro-team explination isn’t from the person’s mind that wrote it. It’s all crap that they feed you with on the CDs and stage. I’ve read no original thoughts so far.

Candace,

I made profit sharing during the transition from Quixtar to Monavie… the “in between” time when we had to wait 6 months before joining another MLM. Tools was the only business we could do seeing how there was no product to deal with during those months. The TEAM tool system was the same for both MLMs only the product information changed once Monavie was introduced to us. This is an expecially sore subject seeing how I had just “stocked my truck” with “needed” tools for the business just before they bailed on Quixtar. So all the money I paid for tools were down the drain because the information on them were Quixtar related. So then they decided our focus would be on leadership training to the masses and I was told that our “business” would be selling a leadership training system to the masses. After getting the company I work for to buy into it, that got me into profit sharing. Shortly after, Monavie was introduced and that leadership program was dissolved. That made me look real good to my company…NOT! So then I restocked my trunk with “needed” tools that pertained to Monavie. At all the seminars and Leadership conventions I went to, tool were focused more on then any other thing. I was told by my upline diamond to max out the remainder of my credit card on product and tools because it will all pay out in the end. Well… a year later I filed for bankruptcy. Now, my financial troubles was not all of TEAM’s fault but who tells someone that it’s a good idea to max out your credit cards? Out of the 300 some people LEFT on my team after 5 years, no one is at a point were they are making any money… NO ONE! I still check on it and there is absolutly no growth on a leg that is one of the big upline leader’s main leg. NO ONE is making it happen.

Ex-TEAMer: Wanted to reiterate Candance’s comments. I’ve written a number of posts about Orrin Woodward and TEAM on my blog (click on my name). Would appreciate any additional insight you might have by commenting there.

TEAM recently held one of its major functions in St. Louis this past weekend. Do you happen to know if TEAM is shrinking or expanding in the current economic climate in the US? I’ve watched Woodward’s presentation on making people feel okay with not making any money, so as long as they feel like they are “better people” by being in TEAM.