Oprah Sues MonaVie

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MonaVie distributors are spreading a rumor that Oprah endorses Acai and MonaVie. She may have had a guest that hyped acai on the show once, but MonaVie and acai are surely not something she stands behind. How do I know?

Oprah clearly lists on her site:

Consumers should be aware that neither Oprah Winfrey nor Dr. Oz are associated with nor do they endorse any açaí berry product, company or online solicitation of such products, including MonaVie juice products. Attorneys for Harpo are pursuing companies that claim such an affiliation.

This is a comment that specifically calls out MonaVie and MonaVie distributors. From the date you can see it goes back to January and there are 750 comments (as of 8/22/09), most about how people got scammed by acai products.

It can’t get any more straight-forward than that… or can it?

Oprah announced yesterday that she is suing three Utah companies one of which is MonaVie.

“We know that thousands of people have been misled by these marketing practices,” said Marc Rachman, the attorney for Oz and Winfrey and companies that manage their images and trademarks, on Friday. “Oprah.com has received e-mail in the thousands from people who believe Oprah and Dr. Oz are affiliated with these products and have endorsed them when they haven’t.”

What is MonaVie’s defense?

A top official at Monavie said Friday it was mistakenly put on the list of “Internet scammers” who trade on the reputation of the açai as a health-promoting berry the company makes into a drink product. CFO Devin Thorpe said the company did not promote free trials of products, had a liberal money-back policy and did not say or imply that Winfrey or Oz had endorsed the Monavie açai-based juice.

“We really feel like we’re the victims of these Internet scammers every bit as much as Oprah is a victim of them,” said Thorpe. “Monavie really created the açai business in the United States … And it’s really [Internet scammers] trading on our good name.”

If that’s the case why are there so many comments in the Lazy Man MonaVie Scam comment archives about Oprah endorsing MonaVie? It sounds like MonaVie is profiting from the “Internet scammers.”

Originally posted 2009-08-22 06:14:18. Republished by Blog Post Promoter

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319 Responses to “Oprah Sues MonaVie”
  1. Vogel Says:

    You left out the part about “we’re saving the rain forest, rescuing destitute drug-addicted Brazilian oprhan prostitutes, and spreading God’s word”. They’ll leverage anything to sell people on this fraudulent enterprise; no qulams about exploitating children or blasphemy.

  2. Tatitu Says:

    Monavie is nice to drink but gave me a very nasty allergy,I’ve got itchy skin for at least 4 hours after drink 1 ounce of juice. I am not sure about the properties of the juice. Is pretty expensive, because acai berry pills is all over the market and can be easily buy at any place, so I don’t understand what make this juice so expensive, except for the MLM system to sell the juice.

  3. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Perhaps you are allergic to one of the fruit juices in MonaVie. I suppose that is always a possibility.

  4. Mackwiz Says:

    Tatitu,

    There is really nothing that makes this juice worth the high price tag. If the juice was 10 dollars a bottle that would be pricey, but at its current price it is a ripoff beyond reproach.

  5. eyeroller Says:

    You do realize that mens journal tested Mona-Vie Active, which has the glucosomen in it right? There are other types than just the one. We are all intitled to our own opinions and if someone wants to spend 40 dollars on juice that is their choice. I find it hard to believe that it is a scam when Dallen Larson was the top euntrapranuer of 2009, he is the ceo/creator/founder of Mona Vie…..Sounds like some people have nothing better to do with their time that whine…

  6. MonaVie Scam Says:

    It is my understanding that MonaVie Active is the same as MonaVie Original with glucosamine (not glucosomen as you say) added. Remember that glucosamine is a very cheap supplement. All the other types of MonaVie have similarly cheap supplements added to MonaVie Original. Of course, since MonaVie doesn’t disclose the amounts of these supplements, the consumer shouldn’t take it into their buying decision.

    People have chosen not to buy $40 juice. The problem is that they are willing to invest in what they think is a business opportunity. (You can read more here: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4086) Unfortunately no one has told them that it is a very, very poor business opportunity.

    As for Dallin Larsen, you should learn to spell his name and then read: Dallin Larsen, Ernst and Young, and Entrepreneur Of The Year.

    Sounds like people have nothing better to do with their time than scam people.

  7. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    Eyeroller states “You do realize that mens journal tested Mona-Vie Active, which has the glucosomen in it right?”

    And you do realise that it failed dismally having been identified that there were numerous far more nutritious fruit juices available at a fraction of the cost?

    Eyeroller states “We are all intitled to our own opinions and if someone wants to spend 40 dollars on juice that is their choice.”

    It’s not a matter of opinion, it’s a matter of FACT. Nutritionally, Monavie offers absolutely nothing which would justify the exorbidant price – the value of the product has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of Monavie, it’s the compensation plan which needs to be supported that is factored into the cost of Monavie.

    Furthermore, upon what basis are you purchasing the product – the illegal and fraudulent disease claims which are systematically made in order to justify the exorbiant price?

    How about you let people decide what the value of Monavie is based on the TRUTH – it doesn’t cure anything, it’s only FRUIT JUICE (chemically preserved at that) and nothing more. Heck, it doesn’t even quench your thirst.

    Furthermore, let people know that the amount they’re overpaying for the product is really the premium they’re paying in order to participate in the pyramid scheme.

    Eyeroller states “I find it hard to believe that it is a scam when Dallen Larson was the top euntrapranuer of 2009, he is the ceo/creator/founder of Mona Vie…..”

    I find it hard that someone such as yourself would go to trouble of posting such dribble without having done an inkling of research. But then again, your participation in an MLM/pyramid scam such as Monavie is testiment to the fact that research isn’t your strong point.

    Eyeroller concludes “Sounds like some people have nothing better to do with their time that whine…”

    Sounds like some of us are being far more constructive with our time by exposing the truth than those attempting to lure family and friends into a venture in the hope of ill-gotten financial gain on the basis of misrepresentations concerning the product, the value of same and in a venture and where their losses, as well as anyone they sign up, are most certainly guaranteed.

    And what on earth does your contribution to the discussion have anything to do with Oprah suing Monavie?!

  8. switch Says:

    Oh wow….nothing like a pissed off distributor flying off the handle and typing away to the first chance they get. On top of that, unloading in the Oprah thread. Shoot yourself in the foot much Eyeroller?

    Eyeroller says-
    “There are other types than just the one.”
    …no SHIT!? How on earth could one launch a site like this and not know that there’s more than just one? So, you must know about Mr. Larsen’s first juice that was shut down by the FDA called Royal Tongan Limu, correct?

    Let me guess Eyeroller, you’re going to threaten to bow out of the conversation with nothing to add?

  9. Mackwiz Says:

    “So, you must know about Mr. Larsen’s first juice that was shut down by the FDA called Royal Tongan Limu, correct?”

    Surely eyeroller knew this before he came on here “rolling his eyes” at us, so to speak. Well, allow me to now roll my eyes, as I’d rather be a whiny consumer advocate than a whiny scammer.

  10. asulo Says:

    i know few guys selling this juice ( good friends of mine ) and they all know they are in a pyramid scam, they just getting some money i screw with them because they put monvie stickers on their cars rolf

  11. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    I don’t find it surprising that people like your friends know they’re in a pyramid scam – especially if they think they’re going to get something out of it. There’s that warped sense of reasoning too that it must be ok too if it’s allowed to operate without authorities stepping in. People like your friends don’t realise or don’t care about the devastation this type of fraud is inflicting on people, on communities as a whole.

  12. switch Says:

    Not surprising at all.

    What a shame.

  13. Half Time Says:

    I had a very nice couple approach me about this opportunity, had a few meeting with them and they asked if I would attend a seminar. Sure I have nothing better to do RIGHT?. Well I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed but at the same time I am a business women, so after asking as many questions as I possibly could and getting no answers I’m thinking RED FLAG >>>>>>HALE TIME is when you decide if your going to stay or leave due to the level of entertainment lol RIGHT?
    So as im trying to absorb all this, my cell phone rings. I’m dying of thirst, and I see some little cans sitting in a ice chest, I GRAB one thinking wow they do have some samples,I’ll try it, I’llfinish my call and see how it goes. I hear the lady behind the table say ” EXCUSE ME ! That will be $3.00. Really ? Your kidding me right? Well then I don’t want it!….. You want me to come in here sell your CRAP/SCAM, give you $300.00 and give me no logical reason for joining? ,,,,, YOU embarrassed me by yelling at me in front of all these people over a can of JUICE, and I cant even get a FREE sample of your product lol lol Ya ok NOPE not happening.
    Needless to say I finished my phone call on my way home that night. And just think, I saved $300.00.

  14. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Smart move Half Time. Over the long run you probably saved yourself a lot more than $300.

  15. No Scam Says:

    it amazes how people are just so ignorant about Monavie, seriously, stop bitching and do something about ur life, look, the product is amazing, the health benefits astounding

    Pyramid . . .what Huh . . . Pyramids are in Egypt.

    Please people some of my friends are creatings 60k-120k per month in Monavie, and I have known these people for years.

    Im on the right track . . . stop bitching and create a lifestyle

  16. MonaVie Scam Says:

    If you read the rest of this site, you’d see that clearly the product is not amazing and the health benefits are not shown to be better than any other 100% juice.

    Pyramids aren’t just in Egypt. They exist everywhere. Of course I’m talking about Pyramid Schemes, which are illegal and a sign of fraud. Yes, “No Scam” it is possible for a word to have more than one meaning.

    Hundreds of thousands of more people are losing money – including 99.63% of all distributors. There less than 100 distributors in the world that make that kind of money on average. Considering the hundreds of thousands of distributors who have been in and out of MonaVie, let me just say that it is unlikely you are telling the truth. Plus losing money in MonaVie is a mathematical certainty

  17. switch Says:

    “60k-120k per month” on what????….. Illegal claims and testimonies?

    What a great track to follow.

  18. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    No Scam states “it amazes how people are just so ignorant about Monavie, seriously, stop bitching and do something about ur life, look, the product is amazing, the health benefits astounding”

    Precisely what aspect about Monavie do you believe anyone is ignorant on? Would it be that people are ignorant to the fact that Monavie’s primary customers are it’s own sales force? Would it be that people are ignorant to the fact that Monavie distributors are primarily in the business of selling the opportunity and their activities are akin to pyramiding? Would it be that people are ignorant to the fact that greater than 99% of the sales force are losing money? Would it be that people appear ignorant to the there are many other fruit juice alternatives that out-perform Monavie both in terms of financially AND nutrition and which are available at your local convenience store? Would it be that people are ignorant to the fact that it’s sales force are promoting the health benefits of the juice (which the company’s literature clearly states there are none) in an illegal and deceptive manner?

    If you were to read a little closely and pay attention to some of the facts stated, you would see that the only people who remain ignorant about Monavie are people such as yourself – the sales force/customers (there’s no need to differentiate between the two).

    It continues to sadden me that distributors such as yourself remain so impressed by the unimpressive.

    No Scam states “Pyramid . . .what Huh . . . Pyramids are in Egypt.”

    No dippy. We’re referring to a pyramid scheme – which is an illegal and fraudulent business model. Your ignorance on the topic makes you vulnerable to falling victim to such scams. Ooops….too late.

    No Scam states “Please people some of my friends are creatings 60k-120k per month in Monavie, and I have known these people for years.”

    My own friend pursued this abysmal opportunity for well over a year, achieved the ranking of Star 1000 and all the while continued to lose money – yet this isn’t a fact he could ever reveal to his prospects. The truth isn’t so appealing and wouldn’t entice anyone to sign up as a distributor – so unless your “friends” have shown you income tax returns recording such profits, you should assume the claims being made by these distributors are no more than smoke and mirrors, intended to lure unsuspecting and ignorant hopefuls such as yourself who continue the deception.

    In saying that and in order to determine the viability of the scheme, we’d prefer to ignore the unfounded and unsupported income claims of representatives such as yourself (which are in breach of company policy) and instead refer to Monavie’s Income Disclosure Statement – you know, the legal document which representatives such as yourself are supposed to refer to when making income claims and depicting the likelihood of success, and which PROVES that greater than 99% of the sales force are losing money.

    No Scam states “Im on the right track . . . stop bitching and create a lifestyle”

    You certainly are on the right track….to Giza land, that is.

  19. Mackwiz Says:

    “Pyramid . . .what Huh . . . Pyramids are in Egypt.”

    With a comment like that its no wonder why you think “No Scam” is going on.

  20. who cares Says:

    Anonymous Aussie if you still read this site first and foremost I want to point out one simple thing. A pyramid scheme by definition is an exchange of money with no product involved. Now since you don’t seem to grasp this concept let me explain a pyramid structure further to you. Take any company, GM, Ford, any business structure anywhere in the world, and you have a pyramid structure. Sitting nice and comfortable right there on the top is the CEO then there’s the CFO and Financial Advisors. Then there’s District/Regional Management or upper management. The next tier is in store management or more properly worded local. Then theres assistant managers/supervisors. Lowering down to meager employees/grunts. Behold the pyramid structure, but yet completely legit however according to your view, thats a scheme so why are you bothering to work any job?

    Secondly Oprah is racist and discriminatory towards her own staff but yet her word is god? Whoopdee freggin doo listen to an egotripping power hungry racist by all means. That’s where the major problems in the world start arising from because people blindly follow biased leaders with agendas and give them too much power Oprah included. Yes people will flame for speaking the truth about a tv talk show host that said screw it and made her own network so she can do what she wants. That’s fine, she has the money and can do it, but we can’t prevent her from being discriminating towards her own fed up staff. And yet who bothers to mention this stuff? You want to explain a picture to someone give them the whole picture not just part of it.

    As far as MonaVie goes it’s a product so it’s in the clear as a legit business. Yes it is an MLM yes it does have a pyramid structure like all other businesses do. But it is what it is just as GM is what it is etc. You don’t have to work for GM, and you don’t have to believe in MonaVie either that’s the beauty of being human and forming your own opinion. And all opinions should be treated with respect since everyone is entitled to stating them. If you disagree, disagree in a manner that’s civilized. The internet isn’t here for trolls and flaming just to make some poor kid feel better because hes getting bullied in school or someone has it rough. It is an engine for information and business and letting one freely express opinions, people just abuse this power like Oprah abuses hers. It is a natural occurrence when power is concerned.

    If you want to gripe go ahead, but why not focus the energy on a worthwhile topic. The world is facing a crisis from a potential debt that can sink many things and you want to spend your time worrying about a juice business? Go ahead if that’s your way of being productive, but the point is simple and concise. It is what it is and it is legal, and as the head of the website says, do your own research and make an educated decision. He isn’t even telling you what to do and what not to do, keep this in mind.

    Yes the company has produced over 150 millionaires which is a small number percentile wise, however that’s classic marketing. You have a product you’re going to market it, if you owned a dog food company would you just sit on it? Most people won’t read this far because god forbid it’s too much reading, and will lead to more immature responses and flames. But go ahead they are entitled to it, just like everyone is entitled to making their own educated decision on these products.

    I leave people with this thought, get off your rear ends and go do something. If all you have to look forward to in life is slandering people for believing in a business, you need to take a long hard look in the mirror. At least they’re doing something and are trying. The whole white collar thing was a hoax and is crumbling through the cracks as we speak, businesses are falling apart everywhere. But yet pyramid structured MLM areas are thriving. Tupperware and Avon reps are sitting nice and comfortable, and guess what? They got told the same damn thing everyone else keeps saying, it’s a scam don’t bother blah blah blah. Who freaking cares? They aren’t harming you in any way shape or form. If you’re jealous because they took a risk and you didn’t well go take a business class anywhere, look into investing and stocks. The first thing you will learn is the greater the risk, the greater the reward. However the keyword is “risk”. If you risk nothing you will get nothing, but you will also remain safe and stable in a monotone path. Thank you for reading.

  21. christina Says:

    It is pretty sad that you have nothing better to do than use your valuable time bashing a company who has helped many people physically and financially. You reap what you sow and you are sowing GOSSIP and DISCORD! isn’t there enouogh of that in the world already?? i know many people in this business and they have made the money and have been in better health my husband being one of them and myself, i suffered from fybromyalgia. Haters are elevators thats what I say.

  22. MonaVie Scam Says:

    who cares,

    I can assure you that Anonymous Aussie still follows this website. That said, you definition of a pyramid scheme being the exchange of money without a product is a widely spread lie. It’s worth focusing on what the FTC says about pyramid schemes:

    “Pyramid schemes now come in so many forms that they may be difficult to recognize immediately. However, they all share one overriding characteristic. They promise consumers or investors large profits based primarily on recruiting others to join their program, not based on profits from any real investment or real sale of goods to the public. Some schemes may purport to sell a product, but they often simply use the product to hide their pyramid structure. “

    Clearly this shows that pyramid scheme can indeed involve a product.

    Furthermore, with regard to other companies being pyramid schemes you should familiarize yourself with this article: http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-distributor-your-job-is-a-pyramid-too/. Or you can just read the above FTC statement and realize that GM and Ford do not make profits primarily on recruiting others – they have real sales of goods to the public.

    One shouldn’t confuse a hierarchy of management with a pyramid scheme. They are very distinct things.

    I have never heard of anyone call Oprah racist. I don’t even know what to make of such a comment since she is a member or a race and gender that has been discrimated against throughout all history. In any case, Oprah, or anyone else, has the right to sue people if they are using her to endorse a product that she simply doesn’t endorse.

    You say I should focus on a worthwhile topic instead of MonaVie. I agree MonaVie isn’t a worthwhile product or topic. However, people still seem to waste their money in the product and the business and as some visitors here have noted, they could have saved themselves thousands of dollars if this website existed. I don’t know about you, but to me that makes this website very valuable. Anytime I can help people save thousands of dollars, I think it’s the right thing to do. Are there more important things to write about? Perhaps. However, there are less important things as well. I don’t see ESPN closing up shop. TMZ is still going strong with its celebrity news. Why don’t you spend your time creating websites on those important things instead of commenting on what you say isn’t a worthwhile topic.

    I would suggest that you get off your rear end and do something as well. If all you have to look forward to is defending people who scam others, you need to take a long hard look in the mirror. Scamming others is doing something positive.

    Which white collar thing is a hoax? You mean people who work at Google or Apple are in some kind of hoax? I don’t know about you, but I’ve never even met a person who sells Tupperware. Yet, I can walk into a mall or shopping center and see dozens of people working at businesses that are not falling part as you claim.

    It’s not about whether they are harming me. They are harming others through the lies and deception. Why are you upset that someone like me is trying to put a stop to it? You’d probably get made at someone for helping a little old lady across the street too.

  23. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Christina,

    This website has provided tons of irrefutable evidence supported by reputable third parties that MonaVie is a grossly overpriced product, with little nutritional value, wrapped in a poor business opportunity that is may be an illegal pyramid scheme, which is itself wrapped in illegal medical claims, supported by nonsensical “scientific” studies, and tied to a fraudulent charity.

    I have shown how it hurts people financially and doesn’t do anything for them physically. Instead people come here and insist on making illegal medical claims like you did about the product helping with fibromyalgia.

    I liked the elevators comment though. I always considered haters to be window sills myself…

  24. scott Says:

    I have not been a distributor for MV for about a year now as I liked the products but just find them a little pricy and the business model just did not work for me. I have nothing against anyone for trying or drinking. I do wonder since this says Opera sues MV and this was here a year ago, would one of the haters let me know if she actually went through with it the lawsuit? Back when I was a dist. I was told MV was not being sued it was others with false methods and claims on the process of getting the Acia berry at its most nutrient point.

  25. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Scott,

    MonaVie settled with Oprah out of court. You can read more about it here: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/oprah-dr-mehmet-oz-settle-monavie-image-acai/story?id=10561547. Clearly you were told wrong when you told that MV was not being sued.

  26. scott Says:

    TY for the link and the information that does answer a always curious wonder of mine, now i know.

  27. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    Who Cares states “Anonymous Aussie if you still read this site first and foremost I want to point out one simple thing.”

    Yes, I most certainly do continue to read this site – I’ve been hoping and praying for just a little intelligent conversation. I certainly hope what you have to offer is worth listening to…

    Who Cares continues A pyramid scheme by definition is an exchange of money with no product involved.”

    Just as we’d suspected…an idiot attempting to impart on us their idiocy!

    A pyramid scheme is an unsustainable business model which is characterized by the recruitment of paying participants into the scheme and where the primary revenue is derived from the investment and purchases of the participants themselves – rather than from the sales and services to those not associated with the scheme.

    As JuiceScam has pointed out, the FTC warns against schemes which PURPORT to sell products but where the sales occur amongst the participants themselves rather than to bona-fide customers not associated with the scheme, where the primary activity remains recruitment and where there is evidence of inventory loading (which has been defined as being when participants make purchases for the purpose of collecting recruitment based bonuses rather than any intention of re-selling).

    The FTC warns if one or more of these characteristics exists, the product can be merely be the means of disguising the true and underlying pyramid scam.

    Think HARD (as hard as you polluted, sodium benzoate laced little brain will allow anyway) about the fundamental principles of what a pyramid scheme is – take away the product distributors such as you PURPORT to sell and you will see the concept of recruiting distributors who pay to enter the scheme via product purchases (who consume all they buy), who in turn recruit other participants who pay to enter the scheme via product purchases (again, who also consume all that they buy) and so forth, and you will see that Monavie IS by definition a product-based pyramid scheme. Should you be enlightened on the concept of same, you will also see that the product really represents the means to launder the investment into the true and underlying pyramiding business.

    Who Cares continues “Take any company, GM, Ford, any business structure anywhere in the world, and you have a pyramid structure. Sitting nice and comfortable right there on the top is the CEO then there’s the CFO and Financial Advisors. Then there’s District/Regional Management or upper management. The next tier is in store management or more properly worded local. Then theres assistant managers/supervisors. Lowering down to meager employees/grunts. Behold the pyramid structure, but yet completely legit however according to your view, thats a scheme so why are you bothering to work any job?”

    Behold…in what other business model is the salary and earnings of any employee in the organization derived as a direct result of the investments and purchases made by the lower ranked employees? Under what circumstances or what other business model do you envisage anyone ranked lower the CEO, the CFO or even yourself to have lost in order for you to have gained? Does any other sustainable business generate revenue as direct result of the purchases and investments of its own sales force or is the revenue from sales and services provided to those not associated with the company?

    Of course not. These types of absurd and unsustainable business practices only occur in MLM/pyramid scams such as Monavie.

    People work in traditional employment because it offers an opportunity for financial gain rather than loss, which is something that can’t be said for Monavie’s sales force where the absolute majority of which (in the vicinity of 99% or greater to be precise) are losing so that those at the top of the pyramid can win.

    Who Cares states “As far as MonaVie goes it’s a product so it’s in the clear as a legit business.”

    With a product which is grossly overpriced (not due to the value of same, but rather the inflated compensation plan that has to be supported) making retail selling impossible, with little to no external sales to those not associated with the scheme (and therefore no external revenue), with the focus of distributors’ activities being recruitment, where distributors are making purchases for the purpose of collecting recruitment based bonuses (a practice referred to as inventory loading) AND where the losses amongst the sales force are 99% or greater, we’ve show you precisely how Monavie is anything but a legitimate business.

    Who Cares states “Yes it is an MLM yes it does have a pyramid structure like all other businesses do.”

    If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck…believe it, it’s a duck. If it looks like a pyramid, if it operates like a pyramid, if the losses are in accordance with that seen in a pyramid scam…believe it, it’s a pyramid.

    It’s one simple concept which for some reason continues to elude you.

    The appreciation you showed at the conclusion of your post was a little premature since I personally just couldn’t bear to endure the remainder of your useless dribble.

    Yes, you most certainly have pointed out one simple thing…that being that you know sweet f*ck all.

  28. Eric Cormier Says:

    I love Monavie products, I am a musician & not only is it a great leadership program for myself, family & friends it has improved my everyday skills. Keeping in mind that Monavie isn’t the problem, people are the problem.

    You see TEAM which is standing up for your dreams, your goals helps you become a better person. I don’t see anything wrong with a product that is shown to improve lives.

    Open your mind (god, buddha, music, art, BUISNESS’S ALL OVER THE WORLD) the freaking government no matter where you go something is contradicting something else. Someone has something to say always about something that hasn’t worked for them…perhaps in envy? Also I mean I have done that personally if I watch a TV program and I see them bashing a product NOW I BASH THAT PRODUCT even though I have never tried the product for myself or even gave the (book, food, or music a chance or GOD)

    Monavie had some people in the industry scamming people but we get rid of those individuals we want to grow as a honest company and I said US because I am part of the TEAM, LIFE, MONAVIE it don’t matter I love god, I love life I love HEALTH and if it takes a juice that is over expensive to change life style to change your income level so you don’t have to work time for money any longer and not get sucked into FAST FOOD and obesity THEN I AM ALL IN!

    I play acoustic music and locally am big. I love my fans because they believe in me and I like to try and get to know each and everyone so I can tell them all they all can be somebody they all can follow their dreams.

    OPRAH OR OZ OR WHOM EVER PEOPLE TALK ABOUT WITH THEIR PRODUCTS>>>…Who really cares Oprah ripped up the addict who wrote a million little pieces for expressing his idea on what happened as a true story like seriously see you can like people and you can hate people
    Life is full of opinions but if you want to work 9-5 and get screwed on tax’s and retirement then go a head I will be playing music and following my dream and in the process sharing what was so freely shared to me (WITHOUT SELLING PRODUCT) But sharing the LEADERSHIP skills someone can assit rather then dismiss without trying!

    If you disagree it’s okay I never spelled check any of this I just enjoy a good rant.
    If you would like to get a hold of me [Editor’s note: Email deleted. This isn’t a place to market your business] I love the TEAM, Product & Music it is changing my life and I hope people can forgive and forget some of the bad tree’s out there ruining it for others!

    I want to be your superhero WORLD! Eric Cormier

  29. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Eric, please read the rest of the site. You’ll learn that this website has provided tons of irrefutable evidence supported by reputable third parties that MonaVie is a grossly overpriced product, with little nutritional value, wrapped in a poor business opportunity that is may be an illegal pyramid scheme, which is itself wrapped in illegal medical claims, supported by nonsensical “scientific” studies, and tied to a fraudulent charity.

    It can’t get much worse than that.

  30. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    Oh dear…..this is one of the more severe delusions of grandeur I’ve seen amongst the Monav-idiots.

    In amongst that disturbing banter, Eric continues to confirm what we already know…the sales force aren’t selling any products at all, but rather the opportunity.

    Eric, the reality is that you’re at the bottom of the pyramid, you always will be and the only unknown is how many unsuspecting consumers will lose as a result of your poor decisions.

    Superhero??!! Not likely. More like super fool.

  31. Vogel Says:

    Eric said: “I love Monavie products, I am a musician & not only is it a great leadership program for myself, family & friends it has improved my everyday skills. Keeping in mind that Monavie isn’t the problem, people are the problem.”

    Huh? Leadership program??? Monavie, Inc. is not in the business of selling leadership; they sell fruit juice remember? Your comment is like praising a used car dealer for having spotless bathrooms, even though he sells nothing but lemons. Of course, the people behind Monavie are the problem — that’s stating the obvious. And if this $45 a bottle crap juice were sitting on a store shelf, the problem would be solved — it wouldn’t sell and the company would fold. It’s the idiots (from top to bottom) in the organization who proclaim that Monavie (the product and biz potential) are something more than what it really is.

    Eric said: “Open your mind (god, buddha, music, art, BUISNESS’S ALL OVER THE WORLD) the freaking government no matter where you go something is contradicting something else. Someone has something to say always about something that hasn’t worked for them…perhaps in envy? Also I mean I have done that personally if I watch a TV program and I see them bashing a product NOW I BASH THAT PRODUCT even though I have never tried the product for myself or even gave the (book, food, or music a chance or GOD)”

    Ouch! That was one of the most painfully stupid paragraphs I’ve read in a long time. What you’re saying basically is “some people say stuff and think things and other people say different stuff and think different things, and really, how can anyone know anything about anything because it’s a topsy-turvy world where up is down and nothing is black or white – only grey”. Put down your guitar and your bottle of toxic fruit juice, go back to school, and feed your brain (it must be starving). Embracing god, Buddha, music, and art won’t make Monavie any more palatable; less so if anything. The only knock the government deserves with respect to Monavie is that it hasn’t shut the company down yet. The only contradictions in the world of Monavie are between reality (the juice is overpriced overhyped shit) and the painfully dishonest claims made by the company’s slimy executives and distributors.

    Eric said: “I love the TEAM, Product & Music it is changing my life and I hope people can forgive and forget some of the bad tree’s out there ruining it for others!”

    Monavie assembled a team of sick greedy lying fucks and criminals to push this garbage scam on the public. I might be willing to forgive all involved after they’ve gone out of business, apologized, paid restitution, and served jail time. Fair enough?

    Eric said: “I play acoustic music and locally am big. I love my fans because they believe in me and I like to try and get to know each and everyone so I can tell them all they all can be somebody they all can follow their dreams.”

    Uh, and…??? So what? Do you always try to self promote on sites like this. There’s a word for that — SPAM!

    Eric said: “Who really cares Oprah ripped up the addict who wrote a million little pieces…(blah, blah)”

    Uh, and…??? So what? Oprah (and Dr. Oz) sued Monavie because the company and its minions promoted the juice and biz using her image and likeness without authorization or payment — that’s copyright violation (in essence, theft). The rest of your attack on Oprah is pointless. Monavie committed the foul and got nailed for it.

    Eric said: “Life is full of opinions but if you want to work 9-5 and get screwed on tax’s and retirement then go a head I will be playing music and following my dream and in the process sharing what was so freely shared to me.”

    Dude, that is such a silly vapid comment. I don’t expect much from an unemployed man-child minstrel from the Maritimes, but I expect something a tad more cogent than that. Your argument implies that people who sell Monavie aren’t required to pay taxes (when in fact they are) or that they are just tax cheats (probably true in many cases). Are you not aware know that one would still be legally required to pay taxes on any profits earned form Monavie (even though earning a profit selling Monavie is extremely unlikely)? Working for Monavie is a great way to get screwed on retirement — they don’t offer 401Ks (at least not to anyone other than a handful of executives) and the vast majority of distributors don’t even make enough money to cover “business” (cough) costs. That’s a helluva retirement plan, assuming one’s goal is to be homeless and eating Alpo alone in their golden years.

    “If you would like to get a hold of me…”

    Only by the neck to shake some sense into that straw-filled head of yours.

    “I want to be your superhero WORLD! Eric Cormier”

    OK, then STFU about Monavie, learn to be humble, and keep practicing your music until you’re able to offer something of value to the world (you ain’t there yet musically with your Hootie-clone pop crap, but keep trying…that’s a much nobler pursuit than flogging fraud juice for a-holes).

  32. scott Says:

    What ever did happen to freedom of choice, people make stupid decisions everyday, hell we believed the president was going to fix washington ( never happened ), to drink and believe in MV, or any other supper juices is the choice of the person willing to put forth their time and money, which is kinda like me gambling on football and at the casino, only I would say my chances on some return is more likely. Regardless it is MY choice to use my money fully knowing the consequences of my actions. If the above choose to pursue then GL, but to bash the hell out of someone, call names and cuss only makes the comments on truth less prudent.

  33. humiliated Says:

    Scott, I am really quite tired of the “people have choices”argument. First of all, people are stripped of that “choice” once they become so immersed in the cult like atmosphere that IS MonaVie (and trust me when I say the people at the top have studied these tactics and are using them on you as we speak). They are promised success..eventually..what is it again? 2-5 years? People I know have lost everything because of Monavie. They are labelled losers if they quit. They are encouraged to use their savings to “build” their business. The fact that MonaVie is now focusing on “leadership” and “building communities” makes it more Jim Jones’ish than ever.

    This is not simply a matter of choosing to sell/buy over priced juice. This goes much deeper than that because this is a cult that is destroying people’s lives in varying degrees. The only people profiting from this are those that Vogel so eloquently stated as a “team of sick greedy lying fucks and criminals to push this garbage scam on the public”. I stated this on
    the Lazyman site and I will reiterate it here. Being a part of this company is like knowingly buying clothes from companies that “employ” children in their sweat shops.

    Yes, you absolutely have a choice and it is between right and wrong.

  34. Vogel Says:

    Scott said: “What ever did happen to freedom of choice, people make stupid decisions everyday…to drink and believe in MV, or any other supper juices is the choice of the person willing to put forth their time and money, which is kinda like me gambling on football and at the casino, only I would say my chances on some return is more likely. Regardless it is MY choice to use my money fully knowing the consequences of my actions”

    Scott, your flimsy argument boils down to saying “no one should question my choice to spend my time and money unwisely”. To that I would answer, go right ahead and waste your time and money — fine by me. But you seem to be completely oblivious to the real crux of the issue here, which is that a consumer’s right to make an informed choice about Monavie is infringed upon by the deceptive, illegal, and unethical manner in which people (executives and distributors alike) are promoting the product and business opportunity. I fail to see how that simple logic could elude anyone. Using gambling as an analogy for the Monavie business opportunity strengthens our arguments but undermines yours.

  35. scott Says:

    Fellas, I WAS a distibutor and had the same thoughts of getting free from debt and the dreams associated with it, I have not been a MV person for over a year now and dont really miss it or the product to be honest. YET it still is the persons choice to do what they do and the persons right to make the choice to join in drinking or selling if they choose, trust me my gambling reference is to say I have wasted money on stupid things and we all have. To continue persue is up t that person. I personaly agree it is a pyramid set up and yes the income is derived from those to whom you get involved, yet for the past few years now I hear its illegal and maybe, so when is the GOVNT going to shut them down? the same time as Amway and a Avon plus all the others out there. Again simply put Goverment says different to the pyramid thoughts. As for the ” flimsy arguement on consumer rights to know ” look it up and be informed before you buy, if your ignorant enough to go broke then sooner or later you would have found your way there to begine with.

  36. MonaVie Scam Says:

    I have no problem with people buying MonaVie. I have shown that it’s an extremely poor financial and health decision, but hey to each their own.

    I DO have a problem with people distributing MonaVie, because they are in the business of convincing others to make the extremely poor and health decision. Quite often distributors get in the business not realizing this since their upline is not forthcoming with this information. This puts them in a difficult position where they need to come up with some kind of justification for why MonaVie charges 2000% more (ounce for ounce) than other, in some cases more nutritious juice. How are they going to justify it, with illegal health claims as we’ve seen 100s of times from the top distributors in the organization.

    As for the government not shutting MonaVie, you have to realize that they have a lot of debt right now. The FTC doesn’t have the budget to act on the thousands of these companies. However, if you simply read the home page of this website, you would know this. Instead the FTC points out guidelines: http://business.ftc.gov/documents/inv08-bottom-line-about-multi-level-marketing-plans. These guidelines make it clear that a majority of product has to be sold to people outside of the organization. And of course these sales have to made legally, not with illegal medical claims.

    If you want to make a claim that people should be informed before they buy, cool. However, the flip side is that MonaVie has the responsibility to make sure that all distributors are in compliance and that consumers are not subject to misleading information. Before placing the responsibility on people for being informed, MonaVie has to clean up its act to ensure that people aren’t being misinformed.

  37. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    Scott, true choice comes when people have been given truthful information so as to enable them to make the most educated decision possible.

    You’re referring to products which are sold to consumers on the basis of false and misleading health claims and an opportunity where the true and underlying pyramiding business is withheld from them also. Being a former distributor, you would know that the company and its representatives go to great lengths to promote the legitimacy of the scheme in their attempts to convince prospects and their sales force that this is in fact an MLM.

    Any consumer who has invested on the basis of such false and misleading claims, has effectively done so as a resulted of being defrauded.

    True choice would only occur if prospects were informed from the onset of such facts that the product no more than a grossly overpriced fruit juice with absolutely no ability to treat cure, or mitigate the symptoms of anything (including thirst!), that the product is overpriced in order to support the inflated compensation plan/pyramid scheme, that the true and underlying business is in fact pyramiding (by your own admission) and that there is a 99% loss rate amongst the sales force which means the likelihood of success really is in the vicinity of 1% also. Should a person choose to invest the product and/or opportunity after being presented with all the FACTS, it is only then they have done so at their own choosing.

    It truly never ceases to amaze as to just how complacent consumers such as Scott are to the harm such schemes cause and the extent of fraud when you consider the aggregate losses amongst the participants who also happen to be members of communities, friends, associates or even family members – which should be enough to alert anyone into action against these frauds.

    And for the record, don’t get too excited about touting the legitimacy of Monavie by likening this to Avon (which is somewhat of a contradition considering you have in fact confirmed the only way for distributors is to make money is from other distributors they recruit – particularly given Avon seem to have run into trouble amidst pyramid scheme accusations in more recent times.
    http://pyramidschemealert.org/has-mlm-corrupted-avon/

  38. scott Says:

    Just to wrap things up on my side..
    MV scam I agree with what your sayingand the Govnt wont shut them down as long as they are ” following ” rules at the top which makes the individual distributor responsible for them selves and for the FTC to go out and prosecute each person and thier claims would be to costly, on the reverse side as long as they are making money taxes are being paid.. when Larson states they made 100 million or whatever figure it is now a days the IRS I am sure wants the taxes paid on that figure as I would hope they watch. For the record I WAS a distributor and did believe in the health benefits, now if they are true or not I wont get into that argument, but for being over priced to support the payscale is 100% true and I have thought that for a long time. As for telling the truth or deceiving potential buyers and distributors.. I have been a very successful Car sales man and manager for over 14 years now on the basis of truthfulness and responsibilities to my customers and their families, which makes me think this is why I was unable to grow in the MV business as I simply passed the information in the booklets along while showing the compensation plan and thoughts on it at the time. I got more no’s and leary looks over the price than anything else which i agreed with so I could not overcome leading to my stepping away. People just need to do the research and follow what they choose, MV scam on here supplies information which is what everyone should do not cuss, use explititives, name call ( i did that in third grade ) and put people down. If the facts wont convince someone then the others sure wont either. Orin woodward says you cant change someones opinion when confronted with negitiveness so move on, I agree.

  39. humiliated Says:

    Scott, the reason that you didn’t “succeed” in MonaVie is because most people figured out that this was a pyramid scheme long before the words were out of your mouth. That is what people told me when I “got out”.

    One of the reasons that things get heated on here are because distributors come on this site without reading any of the articles or doing their own research and make claims that we have already proven are false. They don’t read anything, they just spout off the MV rhetoric that was fed to them but not before calling US names. It gets very frustrating telling them time and time again to simply do their research, then come back and have a civilized discussion.

    Also, Orrin is a POS psychopath and that is being PROVEN over on the Amthrax site so I can assure you that quoting him won’t strengthen your argument in any way.

    We are part of the research that people are doing and it thrills me everytime JS says that someone emailed him and said that reading the articles and comments on this site stopped them from becoming involved with this scam of a company.

  40. Eric Cormier Says:

    http://www.the-team.biz/

    Monavie is a small part of something big…

    TEAM/LIFE allows you to become a leader & better person so I clearly thought people knew that Orrin has become a great leader and is more then Monavie…
    Hell he could have any product and sell it considering the income Monavie gets. You see I don’t need to make an income off Monavie products… I enjoy the juice because I enjoy putting money I am going to spend on juice, pop or energy drinks right back into my own buisness account.

    I may only be a starting artist but that’s something I am creating a name for myself with and if I get a bad or good name a NAME is better then not being known at all so clearly people have heard of Orrin that is good news lol

    In fact I don’t want to argue with anyone about anything it’s my life, my goals & dreams and if I was un employee’d hoping to get rich off Monavie believe me I would feel sorry for myself but I have a great job.

    fact is I like the products, so do others. Also I like public speaking along with learning how to become a better person

    Going to church is similar you have the choice so anyone has the choice wheither or not they want to sell Monavie the income becomes higher if you do but if you don’t you can do other things and still remain in the buisness and at the same time become a person you feel comfortable becoming.

    Bottom line is who cares about who is drinking Monavie…Who cares what people said or didn’t say Oprah was doing…
    BUISNESS IS CUT THROAT…Music, Teaching, Juice company, Church, Government, Taco Bell seriously it is what it is if you succeed great if you help others succeed great.

    Spending crazy amounts of energy and time ripping up a billion dollar company is fun (which one of us is really un-employed)
    BTW THE REAL PYRAMID SCHEME IS SOMEONE WHO WORKS FOR SOMEONE ELSE…Working under them learning under them, most the time you work for someone or talk to people who give you advice on debt that are in debt… so I will keep doing what I do thanks.

    I love life, I love Team
    I have no personal problems with a lot of people nor a lot of company’s… people do what they do…

    I will be happy locally with superhero…world wide is the dream if it don’t happen at least I tried! Failing at something is better then not trying! Learn that in school?
    Goodluck with your future rants on this site I think people need to chill out have a red bull or bag of chips yummmmmyyyyy
    When it comes down to it. Someone ripping up a company must not be very happy in their life or are getting paid to do this…Looking out for others would make sense but it really doesn’t hell this get’s people away from the great reality of the bull sh*t systems that people have been sucked down in for so long.
    So I am happy standing up for my opinion even if the spelling & grammar sucks & even if I make barley any sense because speaking I get to learn as I grow up and become more wise hell maybe this will allow me to become more wise but I sure as hell am going to take a stand!

    DREAM BIG, LIVE BIG, BE HEALTHY
    STAND UP, SHUT UP & AWAKEN UP
    MAKE SENSE, DON’T MAKE SENSE WHO GIVES A SH*T

    Buy Monavie or don’t who cares…
    Eric

  41. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Scott,

    I’m about to head to sleep for the night, but you should read this article: MonaVie is the Next Napster. Law enforcement can indeed go after the parent company if they create a system that facilitates illegal activity even if the same system has legitimate use.

    Napster followed all the rules as well. It was its users who weren’t. In Napster’s case they weren’t even paying users. MonaVie is, which makes them even more liable.

  42. Vogel Says:

    Eric said: “I enjoy the juice because I enjoy putting money I am going to spend on juice, pop or energy drinks right back into my own buisness account.”

    Buying product from yourself doesn’t constitute a “business” clown.

    Eric said: “I may only be a starting artist but that’s something I am creating a name for myself with and if I get a bad or good name a NAME is better then not being known at all.”

    Ahhh, I see; you’re a proponent of the John Hinkley, Jr. school of personal development. A bad name is not better than no name at all, unless you enjoy being infamous.

    Eric said: “Going to church is similar you have the choice so anyone has the choice wheither or not they want to sell Monavie the income becomes higher if you do but if you don’t you can do other things and still remain in the buisness and at the same time become a person you feel comfortable becoming.”

    Ouch, reading that made my brain hurt. All I can say to that is that “going to church” is in no way “similar” to Monavie. You debase your faith by making such a silly (and blasphemous) assertion.

    Eric said: “BTW THE REAL PYRAMID SCHEME IS SOMEONE WHO WORKS FOR SOMEONE ELSE.”

    Uh, that describes you to a tee. You’re Orrin’s bitch. You don’t call the shots; you merely settle for whatever Dallin Larceny and the Mighty O deign to drip down upon you. You control nothing.

    Eric said: “Someone ripping up a company must not be very happy in their life or are getting paid to do this”

    Really man-child? Is that what you think? Anyone who criticizes anything must be unhappy? You’re a fool!

    Eric said: “Buy Monavie or don’t who cares…”

    You should print that on every bottle and brochure.

  43. Eric Cormier Says:

    Thanks for everyone’s time I see I got no where to most as I wouldn’t on a site like this that prob doesn’t even have the right to use most the stuff it’s using interesting…

    Keep on doing your thing, I will keep doing mine. I stand up for TEAM as I am loyal just like I stick to the sponsers who sponser my music thanks a lot for everyone’s time.

    http://www.myspace.com/ericlncormier see if I will be playing in your local area take care, Looking for a buisness change great if not rock on! Looking to talk about the conterversal issues related to this great if not rock on!

    Keep doing your thing Vogel
    Monavie Scam, Makes sense on why you posted this and I guess I just have my opinion like anyone else or yourself.
    Goodluck to everyone’s future!
    Eric

  44. webelieved Says:

    Check it out, Orrin Woodward seems to be admitting to anonymous blogging and gossiping! check it out on Amthrax.wordpress.com under Qrush. Vogel I would love to hear what you have to say about this, we miss you.

  45. Mackwiz Says:

    Actually Eric, I think it’s Vogel, MS, and Aussie were the ones who “got nowhere” in talking to you. Of course, we all know you are not going to be swayed, the retorts are there for others to read and then decide who’s argument is the strongest.

    Nice shameless self-plugging. Tells me a lot about what kind of person you are that you’d rather plug yourself rather than come up refutations to the arguments presented to you.

    No need to be fake nice either, it doesn’t make your argument right just because you “take the high road” and pretentiously bow out, after your stupid “Church of Orrin” arguments fail.

  46. CGC Says:

    “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”
    – Jonathan Swift

    That about sums up the ineffectiveness of using evidence and logic when trying to enlighten a MonaVie dupe.

  47. Eric Cormier Says:

    “It’s not what you say out of your mouth that determines your life,it’s what you whisper to yourself that has the most power!”
    — Robert T. Kiyosaki
    I may have opened my mouth without knowing what I was talking about and not being properly educated yet as far as I am concerned but when you see my name and I become successful just remember this blog ;)
    “You’re only poor if you give up. The most important thing is that you did something. Most people only talk and dream of getting rich. You’ve done something.”
    — Robert T. Kiyosaki
    “Winners are not afraid of losing. But losers are. Failure is part of the process of success. People who avoid failure also avoid success.”
    — Robert T. Kiyosaki

    As long as your going to be thinking anyway, think big.
    Donald Trump

    I have made the tough decisions, always with an eye toward the bottom line. Perhaps it’s time America was run like a business.
    Donald Trump

    The Two Essential Reasons to Join a Network Marketing Business

    Reason number one is to help yourself. Reason number two is to help others. If you join for only one of these two reasons, then the system will not work for you.

    Reason number one, means that you come to the business primarily to change quadrants-to change from the E (Employee) or the S (Self-employed) quadrant to the B (Business owner) or I (Investor) quadrant.

    This change is normally very difficult for most people-because of money. The true E or S quadrant person will not work unless it is for money. This is also what causes people to not reach the top of the network marketing system: they want money more than they want to change quadrants.

    A B quadrant or I quadrant person will also work for money, but in a different way. The B quadrant person works to build or create an asset-in this case, a business system. The I quadrant person invests in the asset or the system.

    The beauty of most network marketing systems is that you do not really make much money unless you help others leave the E and S quadrants and succeed in the B and I quadrants. If you focus on helping others make this shift, then you will be successful in the business.

    As a B or an I, sometimes you don’t get paid for years; this, a true E quadrant or S quadrant person will not do. It’s not part of their core values. Risk and delayed gratification disturb them emotionally.

    “By it’s very nature and design, network marketing is a strikingly fair, democratic, socially responsible system of generating wealth” R T once AGAIN!!!
    You must have heard of FORD???

    Anyways… whatever I guess I was protecting a company MONAVIE…Yet what I was trying to protect was a great company which help Monavie TEAM!
    See you on the other side, clearly everyone’s dreams that rip up companys like this are lost! I continue doing what I do espcially with music I think that really makes people mad… Oh well
    As far as Oprah she will be lucky to have my on her show in 10-15 years I will be more successful then most people in this world not even just based upon MONAVIE but based on my own life and my own wealth that I will gain because of my big dreams :)
    Thanks again for all your concern and the big rant nothing wrong with learning from grammar mistakes or opening up to much and spreading wrong info…I get to learn meaning I become a more smart person.
    Take care
    Eric Cormier – CD COMING OUT SOON check out the site for details!

  48. Mackwiz Says:

    When all else fails start spamming! Way to go down with the ship Cormier.

  49. Eric Cormier Says:

    If all you have to say with what I posted above is spamming then I did my job.
    Wishing everyone the best with there remarks and opinions.

    I am living my life to the fullest what you choose to do with yours is up to you!
    I can’t wait all my life
    On a street of broken dreams.
    ~Journey, “It Could Have Been You”

    Cormiermusic

  50. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Eric,

    See: Robert Kiyosaki, Rich Dad, Poor Dad, MLMs, and MonaVie.

    You’ll find out that not only Robert Kiyosaki he pretty universally criticized for not providing useful information and instead just “motivation”, but he’s at the top of an organization that scams others and his book Rich Dad, Poor Dad explains why one SHOULD NOT be in MonaVie.

    Finally, you should note that neither Donald Trump nor Robert Kiyosaki are MLM distributors. They realize that 99% of people lose money and don’t waste their efforts there.

    If you joined team to help yourself and help others, you should have started a blog like Lazy Man and Money as I did. All information is free supported by advertising. People go and get the help that they need, I get income from advertisers. They do this without having to suffer through an expensive monthly juice subscription at 20 times the cost of other juice.

 
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