Oprah Sues MonaVie

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MonaVie distributors are spreading a rumor that Oprah endorses Acai and MonaVie. She may have had a guest that hyped acai on the show once, but MonaVie and acai are surely not something she stands behind. How do I know?

Oprah clearly lists on her site:

Consumers should be aware that neither Oprah Winfrey nor Dr. Oz are associated with nor do they endorse any açaí berry product, company or online solicitation of such products, including MonaVie juice products. Attorneys for Harpo are pursuing companies that claim such an affiliation.

This is a comment that specifically calls out MonaVie and MonaVie distributors. From the date you can see it goes back to January and there are 750 comments (as of 8/22/09), most about how people got scammed by acai products.

It can’t get any more straight-forward than that… or can it?

Oprah announced yesterday that she is suing three Utah companies one of which is MonaVie.

“We know that thousands of people have been misled by these marketing practices,” said Marc Rachman, the attorney for Oz and Winfrey and companies that manage their images and trademarks, on Friday. “Oprah.com has received e-mail in the thousands from people who believe Oprah and Dr. Oz are affiliated with these products and have endorsed them when they haven’t.”

What is MonaVie’s defense?

A top official at Monavie said Friday it was mistakenly put on the list of “Internet scammers” who trade on the reputation of the açai as a health-promoting berry the company makes into a drink product. CFO Devin Thorpe said the company did not promote free trials of products, had a liberal money-back policy and did not say or imply that Winfrey or Oz had endorsed the Monavie açai-based juice.

“We really feel like we’re the victims of these Internet scammers every bit as much as Oprah is a victim of them,” said Thorpe. “Monavie really created the açai business in the United States … And it’s really [Internet scammers] trading on our good name.”

If that’s the case why are there so many comments in the Lazy Man MonaVie Scam comment archives about Oprah endorsing MonaVie? It sounds like MonaVie is profiting from the “Internet scammers.”

Originally posted 2009-08-22 06:14:18.

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69 Responses to “Oprah Sues MonaVie”
  1. Candace Says:

    Copy of a MonaVie document that pictures Oprah:
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/19211322/Oprah-to-sue-MonaVie-for-stealing-her-image-and-false-endorsement

  2. Casey Says:

    Sorry to tell you….but this product has done MIRACLES for me. The quality of my life have vastly improved since I added monavie to my already healthy lifestyle.If you were to read the label you would clearly see that monavie does not claim to cure or prevent any illness. When I drink monavie I don’t have to take advil or aleve before I run. I am all-american 13 times in DII track and field. I no longer suffer from headaches, or menstral cramps. SO…call it a scam if you can, but I make 400 extra dollars a month with monavie, and I haven’t caught a single cold in two years, Thats how long I’ve consumed this product, I won’t stop now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  3. MonaVie Scam Says:

    So are you claiming that MonaVie helps your headaches and menstral cramps? That would sound like a medical claim to me. You know MonaVie is just food and thus you can not legally attribute your lack of [medical issue X] to MonaVie.

    You know why MonaVie does not claim to cure or prevent any illness? Because it legally can’t. However, they found a loophole in the system. They can pay distributors who will say it anonymously in forums like these for them. That way someone comes around with headaches or menstral cramps and says, “Oh, I should try that.” Ka-ching, more sales for MonaVie and people like Casey.

    On the other hand, there are stories like this one: Interesting MonaVie Story. Note that the person just learned to eat better. It turns out that there’s no magic in the bottle, it’s just fruit, which can be bought a lot cheaper.

  4. Darrell Hinkle Says:

    @ Casey

    You’re hardly a source for unbaised information Casey. In fact the revelation that you make an extra 400 bucks a month selling this snake oil only serves to render your claims about its health benefits suspect.

    Look, I used to take flax seed every morning. For the longest time I thought I was really benefiting from it. I felt better, I was healthier and happier. Turns out that I was kidding myself. I stopped using it when I moved a couple of years back, and felt no different than I felt when I had been using it.

    See, the trick was that while I was using it, I had made improvements to my lifestyle in other areas to match. I put my improved health down to the flax alone, but it ultimately had nothing to do with how I was feeling.

    So maybe if you’re feeling better, you ought to consider that it might not be Monavie’s product that’s made you feel that way. Maybe it tricked you into making improvements in your lifestyle that you wouldn’t have otherwise made had you not gotten caught up in the hype of the thing. Or maybe it’s just the placebo effect in action. Who knows? All I know is that this crap doesn’t do anything that having an overall healthy lifestyle doesn’t do on its own.

  5. scott Says:

    You know there is always someone to criticize everything. The simple fact is if you take or drink something and it helps you feel better than it works for you. If I eat doughnuts everyday and I feel like crap that might be from the doughnuts, or it might be from something else either way it is not a universal claim nor does it have any true influence over your choice to consume or not consume mona vie or a doughnut. Casey has no benifit from putting her personal story on this site, she can not in any way profit from it because if some one wanted to try it they would have no idea of how to get ahold of her. Every one has a story about there life, and you who criticize have yours as well. If it works for some and not for others than so be it, thats our story. Did you ever think that because it may not work for you does not meen it may not work for someone else? There is a critic for everything, everything, religion, govnt, animals rights, terrorists, ect. Time to move on and just let things be.

  6. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Scott, you ignore the placebo effect, which might be the “if you take or drink something and it helps you feel better than it works for you.” It’s entirely not true.

    There’s no reason to accept anonymous claims on this website, because I could ask 20 friends to do the same. Anonymous claims, without showing the value of how they got their claims are not relevant.

    Scott said:

    Every one has a story about there life, and you who criticize have yours as well. If it works for some and not for others than so be it, thats our story. Did you ever think that because it may not work for you does not meen it may not work for someone else?

    Umm, well I if criticize the story of the world being flat, does it mean that it “works for some and not for others than so be it” – I hope people are smarter than that.

    “Did you ever think that because it may not work for you does not meen (sic) it may not work for someone else?”

    Umm, did you think that caviar “works for some” so let’s see how that works for all! Do you think that 1920 red wines also “work for some”? and people should pay thousands for that?

    The idea is that the circumstances matter. Good try Scott, but you fail

  7. scott Says:

    See actually I dont ignore anything. It IS entirly possible to feel better on a healthy drink, diet, pill, vitamin ect. and if it works or allows someone to have better benefits than others than how can anyone say it is a complete placebo? Thats simply untrue. There are many different pills for many different situations and many different vitamins for many differnt situations. See the thing is it IS possible for people to have better reactions to different situations and healthy or non healthy foods. I am sure I would have a much different health effects by eating French Fries than some one else. What evey single person who is instantly critisizing MV or any other health product is passing judgemnet on something that maybe didnt work for them or someone whom tried it and felt the same way. I personally have had some changes in different things related to me, that is the truth wether a critic chooses to accept it or not. I am a christen, people say there is no god, I choose to believe there is regardless of what others say. The final point I will make is plain and simple, every person has a choice on what they do with there lives, and what they consume. I personally feel MV is a great product that I choose to consume regardless of cost, color, effects for anyone else. If you personally dont believe it works than so be it, dont drink it, leave it be to the ones who choose to. If I feel better even if it is a plecebo affect the bottom line is I feel better and thats all that matters.
    Your opinion and conversation has been polite and well stated, but its just that our own diffencemof opinions.

  8. scott Says:

    One other quick coment on my failure to make a point is as simple as this. I own a manual transmission car, I love it, it gets good gas mileage and it works great for me under almost all driving situations. My wife can not drive a manual transmission car, therefore under the very same conditions it does not work for her at all. This is a situation where something works for me and not for someone else using the same product under the same conditions. You fail to undrstand it IS very possible for something to have a different result for two completely differnt people.

  9. Lewis Says:

    scott, I think your missing the point of this post…Oprah is suing Monavie!

    Why?

    Because monavie reps mislead people about Oprah endorsing Monavie.

    Why would they do that?

    Because the value of the juice product is no better than Grape Juice.

    Go Oprah!!!

  10. scott Says:

    I understand that, I was simply voicing a point of view. I dont remember seeing MV specificly saying it was endorsed by Opra or OZ, but maybe a distributor has, I cant comment on that because I simply dont know. Grape juice though, thats a good product there, well at least it tastes good anyway.

  11. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Scott, I know that different things can have different effects on different people. Let’s remember that MonaVie is just fruit. So if you have an “effect” from MonaVie, you would have it from eating fruit.

    In fact, you’d have more effect from just eating an apple if you use the ORAC score that MonaVie touts.

    It’s a poor argument compare belief in juice to belief in God. People would consider that a cult. It’s also a poor argument to compare something scientifically proven to do something (like a manual car) to something scientifically shown to do nothing: http://www.mensjournal.com/superjuices-on-trial

  12. scott Says:

    I is no more a poor arguement to say what I said as you started your comments with this>>”world being flat, does it mean that it “works for some and not for others”he simple fact is the see you stated something completely different as well. The simple fact is the product and or juice is what I am refering to and not a company, MV does not make any difference, yet I believe thier product does, as do about 100,000 others. You also fail to explain the oxidation state of the apple from the time it is picked until it reaches my hand. We all know by now that fruit and vegtables do NOT retaian all of the value from the time its picked fresh, and the longer you wait the less value it retains. Simply put I like the MV products, I have belief that the product has health benefits for me and others who drink it, and simply put I can spend 5 bucks at BK or MCDS or I can drink my ozs and try to feel a little better. My points are made very well and since I can not grow my own apples here in michigan during the snow I have no choice but to purchase the from stores. Best regards and good luck with you fight to take down a billion dollar company. What other companies are you going after as well? since there are many that over charge and under diliver?

  13. MonaVie Scam Says:

    I was going with a different analogy on the world being flat and it seems bad editing squelched that (my bad).

    I don’t think the government tests apples straight from the tree. So I think we can assume normal oxidation in the numbers at: http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-vs-an-apple/. The apple would have to lose 15-30 times it’s potency to be on par with MonaVie for the cost.

    There are two problems with your BK/McDonalds analogy. One is that you are paying for the convenience of a restaurant. The other is that you $5 buys you meal. Because MonaVie doesn’t have significant calories (for a meal), you’d have to still go and spend your $5 at BK or McDonalds. So now you’ve spend $10 where you would have spent $5 before. Your cost of eating just doubled.

    Of course you mean “alleged” billion dollar company, right?

    I will go after companies that fit these two criteria:

    1. Product is scientifically proven to not work (http://www.mensjournal.com/superjuices-on-trial).

    2. Product is priced at ten to twenty times a competing product with no additional benefits.

    The only other product I can think of that fits is Monster cables, which I don’t like either. I give Monster cables a pass because no body buys them thinking that they will cure cancer. Yet people do that with MonaVie because of distributors’ lies, distortion of the truth, and omission of the truth.

  14. scott Says:

    Scam,
    It looks like our conversation is simply down to our opinions on the subject at hand and nither of us will budge on our beliefs, thats what makes this a very interesting conversation between us. You have a strong opinion on the subject as do I and nither of us can 100% prove the other one wrong so I will leave it where it stands. I personally have my own story with the product which I happily share with anyone who would like to know.I do not expect MV to endorse my story, its just that MY story. I have had some positives come since I started drinking MV active and I will not stop drinking based on any ones opinions or news articles.I am sure some one or maybe even you got involved with the company and had some bad results, bad team work, or maybe no desired results which makes you want to warn off anyone attempting to pursue the product, either way its your choice. I can honestly say it is nice for a change to have someone who will argue and stand for what he believes in and actually have the ability to back up what your point is. Its been fun, and best of luck in your future.
    Scott from Muskegon, michigan.

  15. MonaVie Scam Says:

    I don’t think it really comes down to beliefs, when it’s scientifically proven by independent labs in the Men’s Journal article. I suppose you can choose to not believe in electricity, but there it is.

    I was never involved in MonaVie. An acquaintance told me about it. I thought $45 for juice was really, really expensive compared to the $3 100% juice I buy. I did research to try to figure out what an extra $42 buys me. The research only lead me to distributors making illegal medical claims and things like the Men’s Journal article that show it be a huge waste of money.

    For $1500 a year, I want to be scientifically GUARANTEED that it’s going to make me much more healthier than a placebo (i.e. not healthier at all) and much more healthier than a vitamin would.

    I’m confused what kind of “good results” people could even get from MonaVie. Everyone talks about vague “good results”, but no one really says what those are.

  16. scott Says:

    If you want to know I will email you, all you need to do is ak for my address and I will give it to you. And it has not been PROVEN not to have any effects or to have effects on people, actually a plecebo has no value what so ever and even if MV has a small orac value acording to your sorces it is still more than a placebo then. Like I said I can offer my results should you choose, the bottles at distributor cost are NOT 45 either ( nice home work on that ) I also bet your juices main ingredient is water and is filtered as well. You make claims on a product based on what you read and yet you fail to try it for yourself, I can sit here and say you way of life is worthless but if I choose not to live ot your way do I really know? simply put you cast out stones based on others opinions and what they say. Funny how a critic like yourself can talk so much about something you never take part in. To quote BEN FRANKLIN ( a founding father to our country ) ” any fool can criticize and most fools do ” When you personally do your own tests let me know what you find out, until then I can read the same stuff you do. I can read stuff negitive about everything and anything, what type of car do you have, where do you live, your religion ( if you have faith ) your type of cloths, shoes maybe? I bet your a nike kinda guy right? see Give me something and I will prove you ride the coattails of some one else saying different things. Based on what you have given me to work with should I stop drinking MV ? based on your opinion? Tell me what you stand for, answer my questions on something your strong an=bout besides this topic and I will email you scientif links, or negitive coments about anything you can put up that is a part of your life. At some point you become a waste of time, you are so closed minded that you will continue to slam a product or company to whom you have NEVER taken part of. To be quite frank with you you are a scorned little man ( or woman ) who is unhappy and feels the need to continue negitivity where ever and what ever you choose to. I am truely sorry you have such a desire to think on the negitive and not open you eyes to the possiblity that you or anyone else comenting agains this that for one second you might actually be wrong. Best of luck to you again, and good luck with your apples.

  17. MonaVie Scam Says:

    It’s been proven to have low nutritional value (compared to other juices like grape juice) in a lab. You are right that it hasn’t been proven to not have any effect on people. It would have be the one exception to all the foods in the world that tests poorly in a lab and comes out great in the body. Oh, except if it is a placebo…

    I wasn’t a distributor when the person approached me – and yes he quoted $45 price. If you want to know more pricing details, I have written about how much MonaVie costs previously.

    Well do you take crystal meth? I haven’t. Yet, I think I can be critcal of it. Of course BEN FRANKLIN (to borrow your quotes) may see things differently.

    Scott, in comment #13 I explained why I’m against MonaVie. I could only find one other company (Monster Cables) that fit it. If you can find more, then just pretend they are the mine. Pick a car, any car you want, and make a case that it’s price 10-20x more than another car without delivering the consumer benefits. I’ll even start you out with a fresh place to comment on (http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-and-the-car-analogy/).

    I think it’s hilarious that you called me close-minded. It’s why I wrote the article Being Open-Minded About MonaVie.

    I’m not scorned, little, or unhappy, but thanks for assuming that I am. I’m also not negative, I just really don’t like to see people throw away a significant portion of their paycheck for unproven promises from biased salesmen. That’s called being a consumer advocate.

    I’m happy to be wrong if someone can prove to me why I might be wrong. Give me some scientific evidence that MonaVie does anything more than $4 juice or a multivitamin. If you can not (and you haven’t thus far), then why shouldn’t I be telling people to save their money.

  18. scott Says:

    simply put your influence maybe great or it maybe small, it makes no difference to me. You make your claims not really based on independent studies nor do you have any or have had any consumption of the product, you can not question the cost considering it can be purchased for less than 30$ in diffenent instances. You also asume it is a large part of my paycheck when you have no idea of how much anyone makes, if 140$ is a large portion of your check than maybe you should look for something better to supplement your income. All I see is a bitter person with a personal agenda, good for you. Eating anything healthy has a positive affect on ones body and health, period. It is proven that MV has nutritional value regardless of what Percentage therefore it is more nutritious than you say. A plecebo is simple a drug ect. that has NO affect, and if MV has the same as an apple than you say the apple is worthless as well, good point for you on tha one. one more thing on the money, what is to expensive for you is not for others. Have you ever drank a fountain pop? Did you know that a 44 oz soda costs the average retailer about 12-14 cents and they charge what? 1.49-2.00 area, not a bad markup is it. What about some beers at a bar? 2-4.00 bucks not bad for profit is it? See I am in a business where I sell a certain type of car, american made none the less. People like you feel selling a product for a profit is bad, hey simply put if a person of sound mind makes a purchase of there own will and the sale produces some profit than it is not a bad thing. Simple put again, if you cant afford it, dont buy it. I cant afford a yacht so I will stick with my Nitro bass boat, that in my opinion is fast but to a drag racer I am sure its slow, but hey thats my testimonial on that as well. Scamm you can continue to try to right the world, go for it, but you only quote what you read or have read, you have done nothing on your own, so until you get your own lab results and spend your own time figureing things out on a true unbiassed scale you have no true ground to stand on. Good luck with your new job search, I am sure YOUR more than a qualified canidate and that your company or business is non profit as well. PS I bet like most of us you trade your time for money as well.

  19. MonaVie Scam Says:

    “You make your claims not really based on independent studies.”

    How can you say that? Here are two examples: http://www.mensjournal.com/superjuices-on-trial
    http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-vs-an-apple/

    It doesn’t matter if it can be bought for $20 (which it can), it would still be about 10x as much as V8 Fusion Acia Berry (80 cents an ounce vs. 7 cents an ounce).

    It’s a large part of the paycheck of the median household income (around $44,000 last I checked according to Wikipedia). For that average family of 4 it’s around $5000 a year – about 1/10% of the money they make each year.

    I will give that MV has some nutritional value. I’ve always said it’s minimal. If I put .001mg of vitamin C in a pill and told you it would help you with X medical condition, any benefit you’d notice would be due to the placebo effect, not the vitamin C. To think otherwise is simply not rational.

    The difference with the soda is that you don’t see Pepsi charging 10x the price of Coke. If Coke charged you $1.50-$2, would you pay $15-20 for the same amount of Pepsi? No you wouldn’t. So logically if MonaVie wants to change 10x more per ounce than other juices WITHOUT justifying the price, you wouldn’t buy that either. If you want to pay $20-$45 for MonaVie, I have some $15 Pepsi to sell you.

    When you pay for a beer at a bar you are paying for the restaurant convenience. We covered this in comment #13 with McDonalds vs. Burger King. The bars around me all charge around $3-4 for a domestic draft. I’ll tell you right now, that no one is going pay the 10x amount of $30-$40 at a similar bar.

    Hopefully you get the point which is that it’s the price comparison between two equivalent things. Please don’t bring up the price of coffee at Starbucks, hot dog at a baseball game, or popcorn at a movie theater. They are pretty standard pricing across the country despite the Starbucks, baseball game, or movie theater. Also, I can make all three at home for cheap. Since I’ll consume the MonaVie from my home, does that mean that MonaVie is going to sell it for a dollar like the other products?

    I think it’s perfectly fine to make a profit – just price yourself near your competitors ($4 grape juice, blueberry juice, and V8 Fusion Acai Berry). I don’t like people selling Yugos equivalents for $50,000 and trying to justify as, “People like you feel selling a product for a profit is bad.”

    Scott also said, “simply put if a person of sound mind makes a purchase of there own will and the sale produces some profit than it is not a bad thing.”

    The problem is that it’s nearly impossible to find someone with a sound mind when it comes to MonaVie. Any research on the Internet has distributors making illegal medical claims. We also have MonaVie using ORAC scores as if it’s proven to help you in the body… and also as if you couldn’t get a high ORAC content from a number of other sources. It’s misleading statements like MonaVie saying that it delivers the anti-oxidant capacity of 13 common fruits, when it’s really worse than one common fruit – an apple. There are a pile more misrepresentations that are made that trick the consumer into thinking they are getting what they aren’t.

    Scott said, “Simple put again, if you cant afford it, dont buy it. I cant afford a yacht so I will stick with my Nitro bass boat…”

    What people can afford today might not be what they can afford tomorrow. Our nation has a ton of debt and unemployment is at an all-time high. Very few people are prepared for retirement, and many baby boomers lost a third of their nest egg last year. My point here is that you never know what can happen. You can lose your job, you can have your retirement cut in half.

    You mentioned being in a business where you are selling a certain type of car. You should be the first person to realize that the industry is having a difficult time in our nation (assuming you are in the US). The gov’t had to take unprecedented measures to save the industry. If they can’t do it tomorrow, and you lose your job for an extended time (through no fault of your own), you may wish you had your money for your juice back.

    “…but you only quote what you read or have read, you have done nothing on your own, so until you get your own lab results and spend your own time figureing things out on a true unbiassed scale you have no true ground to stand on.”

    When I was in the fifth grade, I read a book that said that the earth was round and not flat. I also read a book about how electricity works. At the time I hadn’t been around the world, nor had I shrunk myself to the size of an electron to experience that.

    I have the results from three tests all showing the same thing – poor nutrition for MonaVie. One of them is the Men’s Journal one. One is the done by MonaVie’s own advisor Dr. Schauss of AIMBR. The last one was one where a distributor challenged someone named Food Tech and both worked together to set up the situation so that it couldn’t be biased. I hope to be writing articles about these soon, but with so much to write on, I don’t know when I’ll get there.

  20. scott Says:

    Scott 18,
    You make some points on different thigs, but let me ask you this as far as my market goes. When our great govnt decided to stimulate our economy this year in the auto industry why did they let the imports take advantage of these as well? I dont think that our money that was used to purchase say a KIA for instance, did anybody much good considering they are made, assembled, in Korea where we as the united states are not allowed to inport even 1 car back, not a bad deal. As for the median income of the US of 14k, if thats the situation for that income level I am sure not many of those people can afford the major theme parks as well, and probably dont do what people who make 60k do. I also would figure not many of that bracket drink MV as well. Simple put on that IF you cant afford it dont buy it. When it comes to retirement comment, what are we as a nation doing to change any of that? we buy cigs, spend it at the casino, buy lottery tickets, ect. all of which at the end you wish you hadnt done, common no one can say they have used there money wisly to the last dollar, not even you I am sure. But the fact is it is a choice and you have the final say, buy it or dont buy it, I have no regrets, some others may. Is there a part about a choice that just is not understood? While you choose to punch a time clock, or even better take on a salary its the money you earn and the time you give, do with it as you please. Lat thing DR. Schouss has a dvd called the power of acia, last time I checked he didnt say MV’s levels were insufficient. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2mxWPpOMiw . I will take his side over yours fellas. I love your justification of my cant afford it. “What people can afford today might not be what they can afford tomorrow” wow if there ever was a case where some people purchased something and couldnt get there money back. I bought a car when I was 16, it broke down soon after and cost me alot to fix, I probably shouldnt have purchased it, I wish I could get that money back. Not a good reference. Asperin is used to traet pains and for head aches some people swear buy it, it doesnt do a thing for me, I guess I should call everyone who says it works for them a liar making false claims, sorry doesnt fit either. Mens journal, a great book I am sure, also a great place to get vital life changing aspects in your life as well. If we all have a choice ( which we do ) and we make our own for the best interests of ourselves ( which sometimes we dont ) then it is plainly simple aspect. IT is our own choice. If all these false statement exist and are NOT backed by MV then why isnt this getting reported to the govnt? why hasnt the FCC stopped MV, why hasnt the FDA stepped in yet? I am not writing to gain support, I am but one of hundreds of thousands who feel the same way I do about MV, and there are thousands of critics as well. The same with anything on or about any product.

  21. MonaVie Scam Says:

    I agree with you on the Cash for Clunkers thing. I didn’t think it was very well run. The point is that the gov’t thought the industry was in bad enough to spend billions to try to fix it. If someone works in that auto industry, they may be best served saving up money in case there isn’t a job tomorrow. If you work in another industry, remember that it could be the next auto one – with big layoffs around the corner. Just because you can afford juice now, it doesn’t mean you can afford it 9 months in the future.

    I don’t know many people that spend $5000 a year for a family of four on theme parks.

    Actually cigarettes, casinos, and lottery tickets are highly taxed and the money goes back to help many state programs. I’m not advocating people spend their money that way, but there’s a silver lining. Do we have numbers of what good MonaVie is doing for the community? I haven’t been able to track down how much money has been used in the More Project, but I do have concrete evidence that MonaVie is either lying or misusing the More Project funds (source: The MORE Project is Misusing Funds?)

    It’s one thing to say that no one spends every last dollar wisely, but few families spend $5000 on a product that is seemingly equivalent to what $400 will buy.

    Lat thing DR. Schouss has a dvd called the power of acia, last time I checked he didnt say MV’s levels were insufficient. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2mxWPpOMiw .

    Hmm, Schauss didn’t mention a thing about how much acai is in MonaVie. He just said that it was shown to be good. Now if you look at research he’s been involved with (PDF), you will note that MonaVie had an ORAC score of 22.8 μmol/mL. That’s an ORAC score 684 an ounce (30ml/oz.). That leads us to one MonaVie lie of having a score of 5000 per four ounces (it’s less than half that). It also leads us to an apple having a better ORAC score than MonaVie. So it’s really irrelevent if Dr. Schauss shows acai to have an ORAC score of 17 trillion… we are talking about MonaVie here and his data shows MonaVie to be a poor source of ORAC. So feel free to take Dr. Schauss’ side and shout his claim that eating an apple is better than 4oz of MonaVie.

    The thing about you buying a car when you were 16 is that you thought it provided value to you… i.e. it gives you the benefit of getting you to one place to another easily – when it works. MonaVie tries to give the benefit of making you healthier, but I’ve shown scientific evidence that it doesn’t do that any more than $4 juice. So if you could go back to being 16 and spend 1/10th the money on your car and found that it did more (maybe lasted longer before breaking down), would you still by the same car?

    I enjoyed the Aspirin comment so much, I had to write a whole post in response: MonaVie vs. Aspirin/Tylenol. Thanks!

    This information is getting reported back to the FCC and FDA. Those organizations are fairly slow to act on such things. They did act to shut down Dallin Larsen’s last juice company.

  22. MICHELLE Says:

    I HAVE BEEN USING MONA VIE FOR 3 MONTHS NOW AND I CAN TELL YOU FOR A FACT THAT IT HAS HELPED ME. I HAVE IBS AND HAVE TRYED EVERYTHING OUT THERE INCLUDING EATING EVERY FRUIT AVAILABLE AS MENTIONED ABOVE AND NOTHING HELPED ME. MONA VIE HAS HELPED ME AS LONG AS I CONSUME MY MONA VIE TWICE A DAY I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH MY INTESTINES. AS WELL AS I WAS HAVING SOME PRETTY SEVERE BLEEDING THAT HAS COMPLETELY STOPPED. I ALSO HAD SOME PAIN IN MY KNEES TO THE POINT THAT I HAD TO TAKE PAIN PILLS. IT IS GONE AS WELL. I WENT TO MY DOCTOR AND HE TOLD ME IT DOES CONTAIN ANTIOXIDANTS AND THAT HE DOES BELIEVE THAT THE MONA VIE IS WHAT HAS HELPED ME. SO MAYBE I CAN BUY FRUIT JUICE CHEAPER BUT NOTHING HAS HELPED ME THIS MUCH AND I AM NOT A DITRIBUTOR. SOMEONE CLOSE TO ME WHO WAS CONCERNED ABOUT ME IS GIVING IT TO ME AT NO COST. SO SAY WHAT YOU WILL BUT TO ME THE PROOF IS IN THE END RESULT.

  23. LITO13 Says:

    22Michele you are wrong! I tryed using Monavie for my son and he was really sick! IT did not nothing for him! I went to see a doctor now and he told me the MONAVIE IS BS! Please don’t waste your time on this!

  24. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Michelle,

    You mention that you ate fruit. Most unprocessed fruit have more antioxidants than MonaVie and any reputable doctor should know this.

    Secondly, you use the “I am not a MonaVie distributor, but…” construct, which is typically hard to believe. I suppose if you have a close friend willing to give it to you for free, that’s a different story – you have nothing to lose by trying. For everyone else who isn’t getting it from a friend for free, they stand to lose a good deal money.

  25. Geri Says:

    I have been using Monavie Active for a couple of months now. I experience a marked increase in my “getting older” body. So to try to see if it was the Monavie, I quit drinking it for a couple of weeks and lo and behold, the aches came back. I started drinking the Active again, and once again the aches and pains decreased. I have made no other changes to my eating and drinking habits, so I have to believe it is the Monavie. Maybe it is a placebo effect, I can’t tell you for sure, but if I can get out of bed and walk without pain, it is worth almost any price. If it doesn’t work for you, then good luck finding something that does work. After years of trying I have finally found something that does work and I will continue to use Monavie as long as I get the benefits.

  26. MonaVie Scam Says:

    So a “marked increase in my ‘getting older’ body” means that it actually made you feel older? Ouch, I don’t think I’d want that.

    You can buy cheaper placebos, so perhaps you should really look into that.

  27. Geri Says:

    Perhaps I didn’t word that the best. I was experiencing aches and pains in my “getting older” body so that is WHY I started using Monavie. I have tried so many products including glucosomine tablets and I did not get the benefits that I am getting from Monavie. Perhaps you can explain why Monavie works but the glucosomine pills didn’t. I think that kind of shoots down the placebo effect, because if just taking “something” would make me feel better, why didn’t the pills do that.

  28. MonaVie Scam Says:

    I think there’s still evidence out there that glucosamine might not help aches and pains as much as it thought. Wikipedia notes: “there is conflicting evidence as to its effectiveness.” It goes on to say, “Two recent randomized, double-blind controlled trials[12][13] have found no effect beyond placebo in reducing pain, while one found an effect beyond placebo.[14]”

    So there is a chance that glucosamine itself is a placebo, which means you would be asking me why one placebo (glucosamine) wouldn’t work for while another one does (MonaVie). I think the difference between the two could have been how they are presented to you.

    Also, perhaps the small amount of vitamin C (or some other vitamin) in MonaVie works well with glucosamine, so maybe you needed to take the glucosamine with a multivitamin. Or maybe it glucosamine works well with sugar, so maybe you need to take it any fruit juice.

    As you can see, your experience falls in what is called a testimonial. It isn’t scientific evidence. For all we know you could work for MonaVie. Even if you deny a connection to MonaVie like this employee did. I’m not saying you do work for them, but it’s a possibility.

    Perhaps you can explain why there are hundreds of thousands of medical claims for dozens of juices that are sold through network marketing and close to zero for products that you buy in a store. You don’t see people shouting from the rooftop that Welch’s grape juice cured their medical conditions.

    Perhaps you can explain why MonaVie isn’t undergoing clinical trials to be FDA approved to help “aches and pains.” It would be worth billions to the company. Maybe they know something you do not.

  29. summer Says:

    Well, I am a distributor and I know millionaires because of their involvement with the company. So, as we say in the MonaVia world, “we do not need negative people”.

  30. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Yes there are a few millionaires, but it’s an extremely small percentage compared to the supposedly 2 million distributors.

    So it’s great that you know some because the odds of you becoming one are long… and it’s getting worse and worse as the Income Disclosure Statement shows.

  31. TxDiamond Says:

    My husband and I are in MonaVie and are having great success. I am so dissappointed to see all the negative, horrible things written since our experience has been the exact opposite. We don’t lie to people or mislead them; we simply present the opportunity and let people decide for themselves if it is something they would like to do. If you expect success in this business, be prepared for a lot of hard work, persistence and determination (just as with any other serious business venture). Yes, you will need to spend money as well. Starting your own business is an investment with alot of up front expenses. Any other business will have start up costs as well; many times tens of thousands and up. So I think $2,000.00 is more than reasonable. As far as the tools costing more in bulk than if purchased seperatley, I would like to ask Orrin why this is the case and post at a later date. We have had talked with him on several occasions and he has come across as nothing but a wonderful, honest and sincere man who really wants to help his team. Maybe it was an honest mistake. It seems today, that when anyone reaches a very high level of success or makes huge amounts of money that they all of a sudden come under attack an they just must be doing something wrong. Maybe we should be happyfor people who are successful and strive to learn from them and improve ourselves instead of being jealous because we feel like we haven’t accomplished enough in our own lives compared to them.

  32. MonaVie Scam Says:

    What exactly is “presenting the opportunity?” That sounds like pitching a business, not sharing a tasty beverage.

    It’s all about how distributors go about “presenting the opportunity” that is misleading.

    Do you open up MonaVie’s Income Statement and show that 85% of the people actually sponsoring people and being active make less than minimum wage. There are millions who don’t even reach that level.

    93% of the people in that list average less than $13 an hour which is pretty poor.

    TxDiamond, if I can assume by your name you are diamond level, you are one of about 160 people who have had “great success” (your words) out of the reportedly 2+ million distributors who tried.

    Those odds aren’t that much better than winning the lottery, and it’s a hell of a lot less work. Plus nearly all lottery money does go back to help the local community. I’m not advocating playing the lottery as a smart financial decision, I’m just putting “the opportunity” in perspective.

  33. Tom, Long Beach, California Says:

    I am a user and became a distributor to get the per bottle cost down to @ $30. I am like most of you, at $250/month for my wife and I, am want undisputable truth this stuff is all they claim it is being really just a user of the product……geting ready to give Monavie the boot……

  34. BLANCA COYNE Says:

    MONAVIE, A COMPLETE SCAM FULL OF PROMISES WHILE I PURCHASE ABOUT $1,200.00 WORTH OF PRODUCTS TO ONLY GET MY TEETH STAINED. I BELIEVED IN A FRIEND THAT PROMISED ME THE WORL!!! I GOT RID OF MONAVIE AND THE SO CALLED FRIEND.I DID NOT ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING. I DECIDED NOT TO PUSH THIS PRODUCT TO MY FRIENDS BECAUSE WHENEVER I ASKED QUESTION TO THE HEADS THAT REPRESENT THIS PRODUCTS, THEY TOLD ME THAT THWY DID NOT LIKE TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE THAT ASKED TOO MANY QUESTIONS. THEIR ONLY INTEREST WAS ONLY TO SELL AND TO SELL, THIS COMPANY READY DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE REAL RESULTS TO YOUR HEALTH.
    PLEASE DO NOT GET TAKING FOR A RIDE, YOU CAN GET ALL THE BEFENITS JUST FROM EATING LOTS OF VEGETABLES AND FRUITS.MOVAVIE IS NOT A NATURAL PRODUC AS THEY CLAIM, THERE ARE PRESERVATIVES DERIVED FROM A LITTLE WORM TO KEEP THIS PRODUCT WELL BUT NOT BETTER THAN IF YOU WERE TO COMSUME NATURAL FRESH PRODUCTS. SINCERELY. BLANCA COYNE

  35. Tom, Long Beach, California Says:

    I just want the facts, is it so good it’s worth $30/bottle of do we get better results form just grape, blueberry and acia juices. the onluy thing keeping me hanging on is the liquid glucosamine they add to tyhe sport version….begiinning to wonder about htat as well…waiting and paying due to the perceived benefits/energy

  36. howard Says:

    i went to mv meeting last night. expensive juice i must say. the only way to make $$ that i see is if people u recruit are wiling to spend $200 every month on drinking juice. i wish people well with thier business but i just don’t see how it can work. well, i’m hungry now;i think i will eat some chicken and veggies and have an apple for the orac value.

  37. Tom, Long Beach, California Says:

    I am a bodybuilder who trains very hard with the weights and the Monavie active has helped with sore joints, ligaments and muscles. Did not get this from capsule glucosamine but the liquid glucosamine seems to work. Might be placebo, but I ate very well to begin with? Just want to know the truth and if I am throwing away $250/month. Men’s health journal article is leaning me against….just don’t want the symptoms back if I quit?

  38. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Tom, I’d follow what MonaVie themselves released when new FTC guidelines came out:

    http://monaviemediacenter.com/blogs/5-tips-every-monavie-distributor-needs-to-know-about-the-new-ftc-guidelines/

    They basically said, that all claims have to be typical of the experience one might have. I think it’s safe to say that glucosamine may help with joints and ligaments, but I don’t think there’s anything “typical” that would explain why MonaVie would better than a capsule. And I don’t think there’s anything in MonaVie that would help your muscles – except for very small traces of amino acids.

    As a body builder, you probably know the things that help you build muscle: lean protein (usually a mixure or whey and casein), creatine, amino acids, etc. There’s really none of this MonaVie. At best there might be some amino acids, but there’s no telling how much. It’s much cheaper to supplement it with a pill or powder and you’ll know exactly what you are getting.

  39. Tom, Long Beach, California Says:

    Casey et all, I believed in Monavie as well but after a couple of years I began to wonder about the benefits versus $28/bottle. i am drinking a blueberry/acai drink from Costco that has better ORAC levels as well as plain old grape juice which has the same? I have been off the Monavie and did increase my glucosamine to offset the same in the Active style, but other than that I don’t see a big dropoff anywhere. Training harder and heavier in the weightroom than before? I guess you can make an extra $400/month selling this, but as I realized, others are going to conclude that the price far outweighs the benefits. No slam on Monavie, but just the facts.

  40. Nick Says:

    Mona Vei Scam,
    Are you Pharmaceutical Sales Representative? It seems like the majority of these people have had a positive experiences with this product. I am curious to know why you have this huge smear campaign against Mona Vei. Am I to believe that you would take the time out of your busy day to provide people with the “truth”. I mean I have googled this to know end and your name seems to continuously pop up. So I have 2 questions. Do you have a job? I mean you are on here a lot! If that answer is yes then do you sell drugs to doctors? I mean your logic is if your sick take a pill and make the pharmaceutical companies an untold amount of money for something that doesn’t “legally cure” anything OR buy fruits and vegetables from the store. You being the student that you are realize that in order to eat anything that hasn’t been tainted by chemicals put into the American farm system, you would have to eat organic. And of course you being the smart guy knows that this is a little expensive. By the way, I don’t drink Mona Vei or sell it. I just can’t stand people like you. Good luck in life with that attitude buddy!

  41. MonaVie Scam Says:

    I would direct you to the front page for most of the answers to your questions.

    I am not a pharmaceutical sales representative. I run websites for a living. The websites I run are on the topic of helping people. In this case, I want to save people from spending $5,000 a year for a family of four to drink some juice that has been repeatedly shown to have marginal health benefit.

    The medication you are referring to, saves hundreds of millions of lives a year. Don’t think so? Give up your polio vaccine or penicillin. We haven’t had a huge plague in a number of years, but it would good to bring those back as well.

    As you say buying fruits and vegetables from a store is more healthy. In fact, MonaVie product specialists say that fruits are better. Of course that makes sense since it has significant amounts of fiber unlike MonaVie.

    Eating organic isn’t that expensive. By your logic you would have to eat organic anyway since MonaVie doesn’t replace eating fruits. So you are essentially spending the money on organic fruits AND expensive MonaVie. That’s doubly bad!

    Nice way to end your post with the I’m not a distributor argument. So why are you wasting all your time?

  42. James Says:

    I’m an ex-marine who suffers from re-occuring back pain. Iv’e tried many health alternatives. As of today i can surely say without any doubt, Monavie(active) WORKS FOR ME!!! and this type of pain can’t be misunderstood for any Placebo effect, it’s real! I do agree what works for some may not work for all, yet im a happy customer of Monavie.

  43. Rainey Says:

    lol… i find it very funny to read so many people giving positive comments on MV, its like MonavieScam vs Everyone on this page… lol… best one would be sarcastic remarks on ORAC values… i was quite sceptical about this product, but if so many are positives about it, there might be some truth to it… after all, its all in the mind.

    anyways, i came to a conclusion that MonavieScam is taking/endorsing another product, but for some reason, it didn’t go too well… typical scammers really.. just like a lot of MV seller, you all are in it for the money… lol

  44. MonaVie Scam Says:

    The reason why there are so many positives about it is simply because there are a lot of distributors trying to protect their business… not because of the value of the product. If I said that Kraft cheese was a scam would you see so many people come defend it? No, people would just ignore it as being a silly argument. It’s odd that people get in such a huff when it’s MonaVie. It only makes sense that people are upset when they can’t rationalize why $45 bottle juice is any better than $4 bottle juice (and in some cases worse).

    I’m certainly not “taking” another product. You “take” medicine, not juice. You “drink” juice. It’s clear that Rainey thinks that MV is a medicine.

    Rainey, you might want to look through the site and see what product I’m endorsing before you make the argument. I tell people to only look at cheaper alternatives that you can get in the grocery store as well as plain old fruit. I make no money when you buy these products.

    Maybe I’m endorsing wallets because I want everyone’s to be fat in these economic times. Hmmm. that’s a good idea, every get really fat wallets and then you’ll have to buy more of them from me when they wear out quicker.

  45. Tom, Long Beach, California Says:

    I will say that after 2 months off Monavie, my joints starting stiffening during heavy weight training sessions…..taking again starting today to see if that gets alleviated….going to just 2 ounces a day instead of four to economize……will advise in a few weeks…..

  46. Elaine Says:

    To each there own what works for me may not work for you. Don’t you know that just because you don’t notice a difference doesn’t mean it doesn’t work just means your body doesn’t need it. Mona Vie is not a miracle drink but having the ingredients it has will will help with your health. In these times anything that you can get that is good is great, buying your fruit and veggies at the grocery store is just filling you with cancer. My say

  47. Mike, San Antonio, TX Says:

    “I’m not a MonaVie distributor but my son attended a meeting last night”. I had never heard of MonaVie until this morning when my son called to tell me about this great product and a very exciting business opportunity. He’s not a kid and I’ve been around the block more than a couple of times. I told him it sounded good but a lot like Amway, which we had both been involved with more than 20 years ago. I told him I would check it out. I found many web sites and blogs, including this one, which is the best I’ve found on this subject. He told me about the many health and wealth claims that were made at the meeting and quite a few celebrity endorsements. He said they were told the product was not approved by the FDA yet but that ongoing studies, including one with 1,000 cancer patients would guarantee approval shortly. By the way many of the cancer patients are reporting significant improvement. One reported endorsement was from Rachel Ray. I checked out the interview on YouTube with Lara Spencer, who I suspect is a distributor. If you can call tasting the juice and rolling you eyes an endorsement, I guess she did.
    My conclusion is that MonaVie is just another MLM scheme, a lot like Amway (what a surprise). You WILL waste your time and money. You won’t get rich. But if you like the juice, I can get it for you for around $20.00 a bottle with free shipping. Just send a $50.00 dollar finders fee and….. Oh never mind, it’s on Ebay.

  48. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Elaine,

    There’s no evidence that MonaVie is better than buying anything at a store and a lot of evidence that it’s not as good (you lose many of the vitamins and minerals in most fruits as well as much of the fiber). Plus you get no veggies from MonaVie, so you have to buy those from the store anyway.

    It’s ridiculous to make statements that buying from a store fills your body with cancer. Feel free to buy organic if that’s a concern. MonaVie isn’t certified organic, so you are better off there.

    Remember that MonaVie itself says that it’s not a substitute for eating fruit. You still need to find a way to get those fruits without filling your body with cancer or else you aren’t filling your body with the things it needs.

    In these economic times spending $1500 on fruit in a bottle with little nutrition (scientifically proven from all known sources to have tested it) doesn’t make much sense.

    Mike,

    The part that I dislike most about this product is that distributors are making claims like the FDA has a 1,000 cancer patients in ongoing studies of MonaVie. I have seen no evidence that this clinical trial is underway. It would be great if it was, but I suspect it’s like everything else with the company, distributors can say whatever they want to try to make a sale and no one is policing them or holding them accountable for spreading false or misleading information (such as Elaine’s previous comment about everyone filling their body with cancer and no evidence to back the statement up).

  49. Elaine Says:

    I’m not for or against any products just stating my opinion. Yes I do take the Mona Vie product and yes I do find it makes a difference for me, I have more energy, sleep better, thinking is more clear and I find it keeps you regular. But as I stated before what something does for one doesn’t mean it will do for another. I think that is what this site is for to state you opinion.
    As for my statement on food and cancer, have a look around you do some research. All the hormones, pesticides everything exception of organic has some sort of chemicle in it. I things could change today and life went to the way it was years ago cancer would decrease, it’s the way we live everything made easy. I have lost 3 from cancer and another batteling it as we speak. I wouldn’t write if I didn’t know what I was talking about. I do alot of research on what is going on in the world today. On TV the other day they had a doctor on there saying if you are not buying organic these are the fruits to buy that could be safe from pesticides, anything with very thick skin. Anything with thin skin grapes, apples etc no matter how much you wash the chemicle is in the fruit strawberry is the worst. So they say blueberry is the best for you but you buy it wash it and still eat the chemicle, you figure it out. I don’t know if any of you out there have children or not. Take a look around you notice the build on girls, hormones in the meat. Don’t walk with your eyes closed. Keep an open mind. Look out for yourself no one else cares. Smile it makes you feel good.

  50. Tom, Long Beach, California Says:

    at $20/bottle you will lose $8-10/bottle…….show me where I can buy it at that rate and you have my sale. i am the biggest skeptic there is, but I must admit I do buy lots of juices and vegetables to consume, but when i use the Monavie there is a difference and I feel it in my training in the gym as a competitive bodybuilder. I used it, stopped to test no using and re-started. the results were there clearly. I have cut the dose by 50% and still see the results……one way to reduce the extreme cost

  51. Tom, Long Beach, California Says:

    I do not sell this to anyone and only am a “distributor” at a cost of $39 to get the cheaper per bottle rate, so i have no real stake in this other than are the benefits real. After 2 months off and joints stiffening, I started using half doses and fell better training and have improved digestion in one week? Might be psychosomatic but i doubt it…….it’s too expensive but the positive results appear to be real for me…..seems like the way to make this a real success would be to lower the cost so more will try and use, but I only care about my results at this time and they are attirbutable to it’s use

  52. Tom, Long Beach, California Says:

    I had to to do this. First, it’s “chemical”. Second, hormones, steroids etc work only in the original recipient. they are abosrbed, metabolized and deliver the result from the drug. it then dissapates and cannot be passed on to do the same. it is not uranium or some element that has a half life….stick to the scientific facts people and we will garner much more from each other’s experiences/knowledge

  53. Mike, San Antonio, TX Says:

    Elaine,
    I’m glad MonaVie is helping you. I also think it’s wise to do as much research as you can. I assume that because of your concerns about chemicals and pesticides you have checked out MonaVie and the ingredients in their juice. Are all of the fruits grown organically? Does it bother you that sodium benzoate (used as a preservative in MonaVie) when combined with vitamin C, can form the chemical benzene, which is a carcinogenic. Also scientists have called for the US Food and Drug Administration to retest the potential dangers of sodium benzoate and citric acid in soft drinks and fruit juices, because the tests proving its safety are quite old.
    As to your statement that “if life went to the way it was years ago cancer would decrease”, that might be true. I’m not sure. I do know that the average life expectancy in 1900 was 45 yrs. old, in 1945 (the year I was born) it was 65 yrs. old and today it’s about 78 yrs. old. I don’t know about you but I think I’ll stick with the current conditions. The statement you made “take a look around you notice the build on girls, hormones in the meat”. Well it’s not just girls, take a look around. Its boys, girls and adults. And it’s not hormones. It’s a sedentary lifestyle, poor diets, a lack of parental supervision and a sense of entitlement.
    I don’t have a problem with MonaVie, if you like it drink it. I don’t care if you want to pay 10X what something is worth, do it. I don’t care if you want to do all of this work so a small percentage of con-artists can get rich, do it. What I do care about is a large number of bogus claims about health benefits and wealth that can not be substantiated. You are into research, type MonaVie into your search engine, over 3,500,000 results. I didn’t check them all but I’ll bet most are testimonials about the health benefits of their fruit juice. I think what you will also find, as I did. Is a tangled (with a capital T) web of lies, deceit and some mighty suspicious activity.
    I agree with you about not walking with your eyes closed and to keep an open mind. I also think it’s a good idea to look out for yourself. I don’t agree that no one else cares, this site is a pretty good indication that’s not true.
    I don’t know if MonaVie can cure all of or any of the world’s ills. And no one else does either. What I do know, according to MonaVie’s Income Disclosure Statement and Income Disclosure policy. YOU WON’T MAKE MONEY SELLING THEIR JUICE. Unless of course you are in the top 0.00823 percent of distributors.
    I am smiling, thanks.

  54. Mike, San Antonio, TX Says:

    Tom
    If you can get the juice for $10 – $12 a bottle. I have a bunch of ex-Amway and Royal tongan Limu distributors in south Texas we can recruit. Maybe we could start our own MLM scheme.

  55. Tom, Long Beach, California Says:

    wish i could….I saw the $20/bottle comment and wished I could get it for that……i am not looking to make money, just for the honest truth about the products affects…..it seems to work for me by doing my little experiment? Many supplements start off that way and then your system saurates with them and the affects dwindle, but this seems different? It is MLM though and trying to contact those in the upper levels I was treated like a pariah when i aske questions about ingredients, whether it contained resveratrol etc. I am sure I have more education and experience than most of those previous Amway types working at Monavie and did not like their condescending, protective attitude which is why i won’t push thier product on anyone. it was like a non-Mormon trying to get in the Mormon tabernacle in Salt Lake City……i have tried and almost ended up in the SLC slammer instead of at SnowBird skiing whcihwe were there for…..not a big fan of anything Utah for that and now these reasons(except the great poweder skiing). When I spread the word about this product to family/friends, i give the a bottle to try

  56. Tom, Long Beach, California Says:

    not a good typist either in case you noticed…:~)

  57. Mike, San Antonio, TX Says:

    Tom,
    The juice is all over Ebay, from $12.50 a bottle (if you buy 6 cases), on up. Most are from $17.50 – $21.75 a bottle with free shipping. They also have all of the other junk too. Hoodies, CD’s, t-shirts, socks. This is looking better all the time. I think I might become a distributor.

  58. Tom, Long Beach, California Says:

    I did not know that……must be at a loss or they are getting a deal most don’t get……a fake maybe…who knows, but I will check it out

  59. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Elaine,

    Choose to buy organic or not… that’s your choice. Not all fruit has hormones or pesticides. Keep in mind that MonaVie is NOT certified organic… so it can have all the hormones and pesticides that you fear. Yes, MonaVie may say one thing, but I’d much rather have independent certification than taking someone’s word for it.

    Also if you are a distributor (I don’t know if you are or not), you must disclose that when posting here according to the the FTC and MonaVie’s guidelines. You also can not state that you find it has anything to do with your increased energy (unless you are talking about eMV), that it helps you sleep better, think more clearly, or keep you regular (there’s very little fiber in MonaVie).

    Tom, I doubt that it can be anything but psychosomatic since no one can find anything in it that might be helpful to your bodybuilding routine, except for maybe glucosamine, which you can get elsewhere.

    Mike from San Antonio said it all there. We do live longer than we did 100 years ago. I attribute that to improvements in medicine (so long polio, etc.) He’s write about the “It’s a sedentary lifestyle, poor diets, a lack of parental supervision and a sense of entitlement” making people more overweight. MonaVie isn’t going to going to change any of these. It’s not like MonaVie counteracts 2 double quarter pounders from McDonalds.

    Unlike Mike from San Antonio, I do get sad when people pay 10-20x more than something is worth because they are uninformed. I want them to be informed which why I created this site.

    As far as keeping an open-mind about MonaVie, that’s what we are doing here. We are looking for scientific reasons for whatever benefits that anyone claims to have received and we keep finding none. If you watch this video on what being open-minded is you’ll find that by bringing up these questions we are open-minded. The ones that say, “It just helps me sleep better” or “gives me more energy” are the closed-minded ones, because they aren’t asking “How would it possibly do that as it’s no different than if I just eat regular fruit.”

  60. Mike, San Antonio, TX Says:

    Elaine this might clear up your organic concern. A quote from Dr. Blackhurst states.

    “The blend consists of a total of 19 fruits and unfortunately it is not possible to organically certify all of the fruits in MonaVie and thus the finished product. For example, MonaVie’s wolfberry is harvested in China, and the Chinese government does not have a recognized organic certification process”.
    Dr. Blackhurst
    Sr. Manager, Technical Services
    MonaVie Product Development

  61. MonaVie Scam Says:

    That’s a good point Mike. In fact, I thought it was good enough to expand a bit into it’s own post. Next time someone brings up the chemicals in other fruit, it will be easy to remind them that MonaVie is guaranteed to be any better.

    If I’m going to spend that kind of money, I’d want that guarantee.

  62. Mike, San Antonio, TX Says:

    I probably didn’t do a very good job of expressing myself when I told Elaine that I didn’t care if she wanted to spend 10X what something was worth. What I should have said was. Yes, it makes me sad also, when people are taken advantage of, because they are lied to and don’t have the facts. It makes me sad when people spend 10X – 20X what something is worth because they don’t know the value of the product and can’t get good information. Elaine appears to be an intelligent person with facts available. She appears to be able to make rational decisions with the information at hand. With that in mind, it’s OK with me if she wants to spend too much. That’s her choice.

  63. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Well as you pointed out, Elaine seemed to think that MonaVie was somehow better than fruit bought in stores. The available facts do not seem to back this up. I want to make that point clear in case she has been lied to or didn’t have the facts on that particular point (as it seems).

  64. Mike, San Antonio, TX Says:

    Good point.
    I enjoy this site very much. The comments are intelligent, insightful and for the most part respectful. Keep up the good work

  65. MonaVie Scam Says:

    You may wish to look at my other site that is the source for much of this information. The 3600+ comments is of particular note.

    It takes some time to get through (as you can imagine) and there’s a lot of noise in with the signal, but the amount of information there is greater than here. This is why I’m starting to move the information here in a more organized fashion.

    The hope was that most people would stick to the topic (i.e. discuss Oprah in the Oprah article), but I didn’t create a general discussion which was my oversight.

  66. Go West Says:

    I know this is off topic, but taking a look at the income disclosure statement, doesn’t it look a little like the income distribution of a 3rd world country? A few rich at the top and many many poor at the bottom. My question is; where are the middle class in Monavie????

    It’s kind of like a company with several exec’s making millions and the rest of the employees with a janitor’s wage….

  67. NewStart2010 Says:

    I’ve read most of the post here and was happy to see that many are positive. I too have had a positive experience after ingesting only two bottles of the ACTIVE. I know that it wasn’t just a placebo effect because my body(knees) was able to do things which I was unable to do prior.
    One cannot receive the benefits that Mona Vie offers by eating a piece of fruit. You would need to eat multiple servings a day to gain such benefits.

    So,Yes, you’re paying more for this product. Yet, the benefits are more and easily accessible to the hard working Americans in today’s busy society.
    I believe it’s all in one’s priorities as to where their money is spent.
    Some examples of money being wasted; expensive cellphones, three-wheelers, flat screen TVs, some cheap beverages and foodstuffs. (which can cause diseases to setup the digestive system for failure) I choose to spend my money first on that which will enhance my health. So,therefore cost isn’t a question. Everything else is immaterial.

  68. MonaVie Scam Says:

    NewStart said,

    “I know that it wasn’t just a placebo effect because my body(knees) was able to do things which I was unable to do prior.”

    Then you obviously don’t understand the meaning of placebo.

    NewStart said,

    One cannot receive the benefits that Mona Vie offers by eating a piece of fruit. You would need to eat multiple servings a day to gain such benefits.

    Actually one apple seems to blow away the nutrition in MonaVie.

    NewStart said,

    So,Yes, you’re paying more for this product. Yet, the benefits are more and easily accessible to the hard working Americans in today’s busy society.

    First, there’s no mention of what these benefits are on MonaVie’s website. Second, they are not easily accessible to hard working Americans in today’s busy society. Hard working Americans know where the grocery store is and need to go there to get groceries. Fruit is easily accessible in these grocery stores where MonaVie is not. Fruit also doesn’t require refrigeration.

    NewStart said,

    Some examples of money being wasted; expensive cellphones, three-wheelers, flat screen TVs, some cheap beverages and foodstuffs. (which can cause diseases to setup the digestive system for failure)

    For the most part all the products you mentioned are near their peers in price. An expensive cellphone or television usually isn’t 10 or 20 times more expensive as an equivalent cellphone TV like MonaVie is with other juice (Tropicana and V8 Fusion are two examples). If you can find an example, I’ll write about it.

    I choose to spend my money first on that which will enhance my health. So,therefore cost isn’t a question. Everything else is immaterial.

    Except that MonaVie provides marginal if any benefit to your health. There’s no evidence that it is better than a piece of fruit or a mutli-vitamin. If you blow $5000 a year for a family of four to drink this juice, how is that going to effect your health in the future where health care is up in the air. I’d rather have the $5000 each year which will buy a lot of gym memberships, personal training, and healthier food choices. The choice is pretty obviously when you analyze that MonaVie isn’t very healthy.

  69. Mike, San Antonio, TX Says:

    NewStart,

    What was the positive experience you had after ingesting two bottles of MonaVie Active? Are you sure there was no placebo
    effect? According to Merriam-Webster, pla•ce•bo: an inert medication (like a fruit juice with no proven benefits) used for its psychological effect or for purposes of comparison in an experiment.

    As for money being wasted, if we take your comparison and we assume that a family of four will spend approx. $5000 per year
    On MonaVie.
    Money being wasted:
    *Expensive cell phone, around $600 or buy one from Porsche for $1600.
    *You can’t buy three wheelers anymore so we will settle for a four wheeler, around $1800.
    *Flat screen TV, a good one (54”) for around $1400.

    With these products we know exactly what we will get. The ability to make phone calls, receive and send text messages, take
    pictures, take a ride in the woods, watch a good movie or program. And still have $200 – $1200 to buy “some cheap beverages
    and foodstuffs”, like Orange juice, V8 Fusion, fruits, vegetables and whole grain products, with proven health benefits. You may
    consider this “money being wasted” and it may be, but I know what I will receive when I spend the money. I respect your choice
    to spend your “money first on that which will enhance my health” and if cost really isn’t a question. Join a good health club, take
    some Yoga classes, buy some good food and quit pissing your money away on some fruit juice with no proven health benefits.
    MonaVie (the company) tells you, there are no proven health benefits and you won’t make money selling their product.
    LISTEN TO THEM!!!

    Because you posted to this site, I’m adding the comment from Oprah’s website.

    “On August 19, 2009, Harpo, Inc., producers of The Oprah Winfrey Show and The Dr. Oz Show , along with Dr. Mehmet Oz, filed a trademark infringement complaint against 40 Internet marketers of dietary supplements, including acai berry products among others. Neither Ms. Winfrey nor Dr. Oz has ever sponsored or endorsed any acai berry, resveratrol, colon cleanse or dietary supplement product.

    Harpo, Inc. has filed this lawsuit to let consumers know that these internet marketers are willfully using the names of well-known figures to deceive the public. Neither Ms. Winfrey nor Dr. Oz has ever sponsored or endorsed any acai, resveratrol or dietary supplement product and cannot vouch for their safety or effectiveness. It is our intention to put an end to these companies’ false claims and increasingly deceptive practices.

    “The companies that are using my name to hawk these products are duping the public. I do not endorse any of these products. By falsely presenting products as ‘scientifically proven’ and endorsed by well-known figures, these companies do a gross disservice to the public health and could even pose a danger to those who believe their false and unproven claims. I am taking this step in the interest of public safety. I feel compelled to stand up against these companies and their deceitful practices.” -Dr. Mehmet Oz”

 
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