My Experience with TEAM MonaVie

You have alot of your facts wrong. I just sat down and read through your reasoning, and everything you say gives off a bad impression, not a neutral one. You are blogging about the Team Monavie business, yet you really don’t understand it at all. You take statements out of context and you really have no idea what the two companies are.Do be so fast to judge something just because you don’t understand it.

What a great inside view of the Monavie pitch meeting. Very enlightening…and not the least bit surprising.

Sour grapes much Kyle?

I think if we look through all of the posts where people describe their introduction to Monavie, it’s the same experience from one person to the next.

The “business” plan entails signing up distributors who consume the juice (not sell the juice) and sign up others who do the same – all in the hope of getting rich. This is the bottom line and as we all know, this description confirms the company’s underlying business is in fact pyramiding.

Kyle is obviously just struggling to understand that there are those of us who can see past the lies, distortions and manipulations and see this company and the “opportunity” being promoted for what it is – a complete farce.

This company and one of their distributors suckered my husband into this now Im getting pressured into joining. Told all of them to leave me out of it. I have a baaaaaddddd feeling about this company. And who are they to preach about family values and marriage. I am steering clear of this and hope my husband loses interest like he does with most things

Hi, I have resently gone to one of the pitch meeting. i was ASKED to come by my aunt, she is not one to get overly excited about any thing really. so i went. i have to say i agree with both kyle and the others on here. i see it as a money making thing not scam. and i see it for the good it is trying to do. cause really at the end of the day do we not all sell our selfs to make money and tell other ppl about it. My friend is a photographer and she has to rely on word of mouth to make money so if she gets some other who are good at taking pics and they talk about it is she scaming? Or how about me i am trying to be an author and i have to “sell my self” so to speak to get ppl to buy or even look at my work. Now i see what ppl are saying ther is nothing that says it will CURE anything i was just there! it never said that, it said that it helped with the pain. I tried the one and the enegry drink and i liked both. now i am not here to tell you what to do or any thing but i have to say Kyle what r ppl wrong about? and every one else have u ever had some thing u felt that was good and wanted to tell every one? i do many things, BABY PHAT … NORA ROBERTS… yes i am not getting money for it but it would be great if i could! but to say cult well i can say tme same about Avon and Amway and Mary Kay. i have seem ppl get so passionate about there stuff they have stopped talking to family.
I feel that each of us see that some ppl are very very overly excited about this. fanadical *sorry i have dylexia and spelling is hard for me :P* is the word your all looking for.
Now here is my question to all of you. What is so bad about selling something that u think will help ppl? what about all the work out videos? all the heatlh food adds? what about GM food store? they are making money from TRYing to make ppl be better? i do not understand what the big deal is. if it helpped some one GREAT and if it did not well oh well. Point is WE are all different and stuff will all be different to each of us. I am not selling it at all. i have no intrest in doing that i want to be an author i do not have the time to go all over the world for meeting and thing and that. and for the ones that do! good on ya! i just like the enegry drink. and found one did help me out. maybe it was in my head but that is on me! so i see what u here are trying to do. but to all it an all out scam is harsh. who should the look at all thing that have ppl selling them from home like i said party lite, 5 ave jewelary, mary kay, Avon, come on i know u have bought some of those and had the ppl tell you to join for dicounts and that you can make some money as well. what about herbal magic? Malauka? i have looked in to all of these and yes i was scammed by some i am not going to tell which ones, and other i have seem that are GREAT but i do not have the 1000 dollars to sign up and sell it. ppl will like stuff why does every one have to like or be the same? that is what i see in this! that cause One does not believe it or a hand full had a bad time with it the whole world should not even look at it! if that is ture them i am starting DOWN WITH TELUS, and MARy KAY and PAMPER CHEF! how many of you like have some of that in your house right now? i am just saying i am happy for the info on here it helpped me but i am not impressed with the hate i see.
well peace and i hope you post this for i think i have a good point.
*i am in no way or ever been apart of any of the companies i spoke about*

Onyx said: “Now here is my question to all of you. What is so bad about selling something that u think will help ppl?”

The question is so incredibly rudimentary that I would expect it from a child perhaps, but not an adult. It also sounds like it came straight from an MLM apologist’s manual.

What if I think that my pee will help people and I put it in a bottle and asked $45 for it? You’d think that I was an ass, and anyone who buys it from me, a fool. And what if I tried to sell my $45 bottle of pee to your grandmother on the basis that it might cure her arthritis and cancer? Obviously that would be not only a stupid claim, but also illegal and morally wrong. This is really not much different from what’s going on with Monavie — the juice is no more likely to prevent a disease than my pee, it’s not worth anywhere near $45, and it’s illegal and morally wrong to promote it to people on the basis that it can cure, treat, or prevent diseases.

So in other words the obvious answer to your question is that one’s blind belief and strength of conviction has no bearing on the underlying legitimacy, legality, or moral implications of a scam. And Monavie is a scam, for lack of a better word, from head to toe (or more accurately, from apex to base, since we’re talking about a pyramid).

If one actually “believes” the nonsense about Monavie, then that’s just a badge of shame.

“Now here is my question to all of you. What is so bad about selling something that u think will help ppl? what about all the work out videos? all the heatlh food adds? what about GM food store? they are making money from TRYing to make ppl be better?”

-Onyx

First of all, I’m not a big grammar person but putting forth at least a minor effort to use English properly can help your argument. I’m not saying you have to make it college-worthy but as they say, “First impressions make lasting impressions”.

Getting off that minor issue, the idea that you are just helping people is rediculous. Making outrageous health claims (i.e. it changed my life, back pain be gone!) to get people to waste money on a MLM system buying mediocre juice for outrageous prices where only 98% of people make any kind of profit is not “just helping people”.

The other stuff you mention like workout videos and health food is all somewhat reasonably priced to somewhat overpriced. If MonaVie was maybe 10-14 dollars a bottle and sold in stores it would fit in the somewhat overpriced category, currently it fits in the insanely overpriced category. Thus MonaVie in its current state does not compare to the products you mentioned.

MonaVie is trying to present itself as the Rolls Royce of juices but when you get under the hood of the fancy wine bottles you find a subpar product that has the juice equivalent of a 10 year old Ford Focus. This does not happen when you examine a Pampered Chef product. See the difference there?

The live and let live approach you are trying to posit does not apply when we see people being scammed out of thousands for a pie in the sky pipe dream.

Anyway, there are much cheaper alternatives.

You “believe” in (or at least support) MonaVie because it offers 3 key aspects:

1. Psyche manipulation – The “get fired up” attitude. Basically this is just motivational speaking with MonaVie in mind. They also play on people’s religious motivation as well (God put everything here already, we don’t need prescription meds!)

2. Promise of extreme wealth – If you use the motivation from key 1 above you can get this awesome wealth; 98% at the bottom means nothing you just have to try harder…

3. Promise of extreme health – The juice can cure diseases and ailments that have plagued mankind since the dawn of the human species, all without the pesky side-effects of prescription medicine. Why bother with medical science whem some MLM’ers have acai berries (supposedly only MonaVie has a magic form of acai that destroys the competitors, or maybe it is the “synergy” of the 18 fruits, who knows, I just know it works, I can feel it!)

Sounds great, too bad its a total farce.

I got a cheaper, better solution right here, check this out:

1. Eat a handful of blueberries a day. Stay within the 2000 calorie per day diet guidelines.

2. Save a portion of your income weekly. Save, save, save. Live within your means.

3. Go to this website:
onlinemotivator.info/free-motivational-video/motivational-lectures/
and get motivated!

4. Learn meditation and do cardio exercises at least 3 times a week, 30 minutes a piece.

I’m sorry, but MonaVie is a farce, no matter how you try to rationalize it as something worth doing, while using the “no harm intended, just trying to help” excuse.

Working to educate consumers on a scam is not “being a hater”. We aren’t going to stop discussing this just because you want to paint all as mean, instigating haters.

Interesting Kyle likes to point the fingers elsewhere….prime example of what Team Mona Vie teaches you. It’s gotta be someone else’s fault, how can it be TEAM’s right? Have you done your homework yet Kyle? Or have you trusted your “mentor” whole-heartedly like I did? Do me a favor and ask your upline or “mentor” about the lawsuits and legal problems going on or maybe mention the name Oprah or Dr. Oz. Check their reaction to it. Please take a look on the Wikipedia page about Mona Vie and Mr. Larsen on his previous company and juice. Please read about the wonderful effects on what that juice had too.(Royal Tongan Limu). Sounding familiar yet? Also ask your mentor why they draw out your “TEAM structure” on the marker board to resemble what looks like a circle in the middle with all your “TEAM” players around you.(Please note: everything surrounds YOU and is all about YOU!) Have you looked at your “Family Tree” yet on the M.V. site? What shape is that in? Or are you in denial about that one too? Not that hard to figure out is it? Tell me, what’s the reason why they don’t draw it out like your “Family Tree”? Just draw it out like you see it on your “Family Tree” right? Why not?

btw, the wonderful structure they draw out with you in the middle and all your family and friends around you looks like a beautiful flower to the new person but after a while it begins to look like a spider. Ironic isn’t it?

A very well told tale that once again shows the truly dark and ugly nature of Monavie. They preach about how family values are at the core of the business — which in my opinion really has no place being mentioned in corporate culture unless its backed up by something tangible like daycare or flexible working hours — when in reality, families mean NOTHING to the Monavie organization (well, at least no one’s families but their own). Guilt, fear, lies, intimidation — these are the true core principles on which Monavie’s pyramid has been built. Your concerns about the money involved are entirely legitimate. Even if this weren’t an illegal pyramid scheme built around a fraudulently marketed fruit punch, your cost objections would still be sound and totally legitimate, especially given that you have a tight budget. That these very real concerns would be dismissed so readily, and with animosity and divisiveness, shows how morally bereft this company really is. That it would come from a family member only adds to the already detailed picture of a greedy, uncaring, exploitive organization.

Some more questions for Team members….if Orrin would ever decide to jump ship like he did with Quixtar(yes, I know Quixtar said they terminated him), would you remain loyal to M.V.? Can you honestly say if that were to ever happen(not saying it will but…) that you would still remain on M.V.’s autoship or would you automatically jump on to his ship and take his word for the next “BIG THING” like most did when he jumped from Quixtar to M.V.?

And tell me, what do Team members think about Quixtar now?

Not too hard to figure out is it?

Deb-
Sounds familiar but not to your extreme. Thankfully I was able to leave the “juice business” before things started burning even worse. You can only show your husband these posts/blogs and hopefully he will snap out if it. It’s so sad to see a father not being able to spend valuable time with his kids and to only be fooled by scams like this. (myself included) The funny thing is, Mona Vie’s top dream is…”getting time back with the family”…funny how it works out for Mona Vie but not you. Yes, I missed out on a lot of Tuesdays, weekends, and weekly house plans…and all I saw was my family memories being shattered…DO NOT let the amount of points fool you that you’ve accumulated by being on autoship either. It may be this huge amount of points but hey, it’s not worth your marriage. Let me tell you, it was a sigh of relief when I saw the deception, lies, and bogus claims. Since then, my wife and kids have been stronger than ever. Let me know if you want to get a hold of me somehow to help him see the light. We can help.

Good luck, and I wish you the best.

Jim-
Very well stated! I agree don’t give up on him as you know the best thing for your family. Yes, we know you’re frustrated but get him to read the facts not only on this site but also on Lazy Man and other sites. They are telling him not to read the interenet for a reason…which is not right. Get him to sit down with you and tell him how you really feel. Tell him what this business is doing to your family. Yes, it did the same exact to mine only at a different degree.

Don’t give up, be strong. You’re family is better than this.

Dorothry. Congratulations on escaping from the cult. Bravo. You will slowly begin to realize that a lot of what was told to you were lies, including any real nutritional value to this juice.

Please, do yourself a favor and read some of the articles (which are backed up by solid research) on this site. You will find that Monavie contains less than half an apple a day in anti-oxidants (according to Monavie’s own studies) and a 4 oz. serving is equal to having ONE serving of fruit. They have convinced you that this is a “wellness” beverage but it isn’t. It is a waste of money and you are far better off to eat your fruits and vegetables and take a good quality multi-vitamin. Please, do not dismiss this. Continue with your research and it will save you a lot of money….and if you feel anything like me (having “drank the juice for 1.5 years) your pride.

I wanted to give my personal horror story and brainwashing that I received from this company which promised massive wealth and better health , but left me with empty pockets and barely enough to pay the bills.
I was first introduced to this product by my landlord who knocked on my door one night and raved that this new product that would make her rich and how it had so many health benefits that she could finally live a really healthy life and even improve her sleeping habits. She touted statements about how her obese sister had used the product and that she was feeling better and that her blood tests from the doctor (which I never saw)came back showing that her sisters cholesterol levels were down significantly. She told me it was a great “business opportunity” and man was I wrong. I told her I didnt know so I reluctantly went to a Ra-Ra seminar in the area. The presentation was about how we dont get enough fruits and veggies in our lives and how the fruit we do actually get is littered with pesticides. One misleading “fact” they presented was how a Peach now doesnt have as much vitamin C as it used. I dont remember the exact numbers but I remember it being really drastic. After listening to the presentation about how Monavie can improve your life, they had all these “black diamond” members come up and give speeches on how anyone can achieve fortune in the company. They spoke arrogantly about how much money they made and Kelly B even had a beautiful blonde by his side. After playing off my emotions for an hour everyone around me asked if I would join and was also pressured by my land lord to sign up. I did sign up and it was the worst mistake I ever made.
After you sign up with the company they make you put down your debit card info so that they can “autoship” your items and take the money directly out of your bank account. What they dont tell you is that they automatically take the money out for one case every month even if you dont want that case of Monavie. My landlord’s friend heard I was signing up and he really put the pressure on me . He told me that I would get rich and how I should bring people to his tasting parties and that he would sign them up. When I told him I wasnt sure he told me that I had a bad attitude towards the company and asked me if I wanted to make crap money the rest of my life. He said this in a very angry tone which made me feel pressured. I didn’t want to feel like I was letting him and my landlord down so I continued to work with Monavie for about 3 months before I was broke with nothing to show for it. I got a few members signed up but according to Monavie they weren’t on the correct leg of my Monavie “tree”(pyramid) so I wouldn’t be getting any money . I bought six cases worked my butt off and had nothing to show for it in the end but the commission I gave my upline. When I told my landlord I wanted out, she flipped out and tried to kick me out of the place I was renting. I am not kidding about this. My landlord’s friend who pressured me, never talked to me again after I left the company, I owed him for three cases he lent me and called me up ” mafia” style and said that I better pay him right away for the cases I owed him or there would be issues. I paid him immediately and that was the last I heard of him.
TO EVERYONE
THEY LIE !!!!!!!!!!!! As a former Monavie representative DO NOT JOIN or you will be pressured into the same trap. They use emotional propaganda to get you in and when you wanna leave they get angry and try to say negative things to get you back. It’s a company robbing hard working people of their money and is a great way to burn bridges with those you love. Dalin Larson is a known criminal and MS has shown everyone the light in this mass of darkness and with researched facts!!!!! I regret everyday of Monavie and am writing this story as a means of help for those ignorant to their scam. Don’t fall victim to it. Go to school , get a degree and start your own real business. I make more money working on computers in two hours then I ever made at Monavie in 3 months. Monavie is a full of brain washers who will try to pull you in. DONT JOIN or you will lose your money. I can vouche for Monavie on this fact.

“great way to burn bridges with those you love”

Amen. A big problem with recruitment jobs like MonaVie is that it makes a person do business with their friends, family, co-workers, and close associates. This is a really bad idea because if something sours the relationship can go down the tubes real quick and even worse, it won’t be business, it will be personal. The situation you describe with your landlord is a perfect reason why it’s a bad idea to get into MLM businesses with people who can chomp down on you if you don’t tow the line.

I’m glad you got out Dee. I know what you mean about being pressured, the fanatical ideals placed into the distributors minds make them very hostile to people who want out. Just know that you are not alone; hell, the guy who runs this site has been physically threatened (death) by a MonaVie peddler.

Switch –

I can’t believe they would do something like that. It’s unbelievably childish, mean, and selfish. I have been to a tasting meeting where a sweet lady come forth with pictures of mercedes and such; thinking about it now, it just makes me sad and angry that people that seemingly innocent would run a con like that.

Mackwiz-
Very childish, yes! I don’t mean to take away from dorothry & Dee’s stories but yes, it was very childish and selfish just because I wasn’t supporting his biz anymore. I had read online that they liked to do that once you leave and sure enough, here he comes down the street real slow. I thought, you’ve got to be f’ing kidding me, they weren’t kidding….sure enough I look on the liscense plate and BINGO! “TEAM” and than the “#”. That was the last I saw of him and his family. We haven’t spoken since in which only makes sense because he knows that I know the truth or putting it his “way”,….”We can no longer hang around people that don’t support the biz.” but in reality, my family knows what really happened.

You want to talk about a friendship gone bad, burned, or shattered? You’re in the right spot bud because Team Mona Vie has ya covered.
;)

Switch,Vogel,and Mackwiz I appreciate the positive comments . The time of me ending my Monavie membership was a major step forward in life as I have been awakened to the power of emotional propaganda as well as the power of research. I have read all the amazing research and posts on this website and am glad we have such smart people who work on it. Vogel and MonavieScam I believe your showdown with Jeff Cordiero was brilliant !!! You destroyed his credibility with your research. I admire your your passion that goes into your research. Surely you not only analyzed his statements but also his psychology in his words. Also very Brilliant. Thanks for a great and honest webpage !!

If your not drowning in debt with our overpriced juice yet your in luck!!! We are now offering a new scam that you can throw your money away on!!! Is the juice not working for you financially, spiritually, or with your health? Are you still fat an underwhelmed by the juice? Well, if so your in luck because now we are offering a new money pit to throw your hard earned cash into called RVL!! It will make you lose weight and you can be a black diamond in just 8 months!!

http://calvinbecerramonavie.com/product/monavie-rvl

Thanks MS !!! I would be more then happy to contribute. Althought my posts are days in between , unfortunately I am a computer tech with alot of responsibility so I’ll try my best to contribute as often as I can…..
Rasheed, your comments are funny and thank you so much for joining in the Matrix world of EX-Monavie reps. I appreciate your support and comments.

One thing that I remember at one of those RA-RA seminars was that they said that the fruit in the US does not have as much vitamins as it did in the early 1900′s. MS I could really use your research help on this one !!! I have found a resource that will enable any hardworking american to access the nutrition on the fruits and vegetables they eat. Although I am unaware of the percentage of truth a government website holds, I am sure it has more “actual” facts then Monavie. http://www.fda.gov/Food/LabelingNutrition/FoodLabelingGuidanceRegulatoryInformation/InformationforRestaurantsRetailEstablishments/ucm063367.htm This link will take you to the governments nutrition website on the exact nutrition of all the fruits and vegetables that are common today. I always advise checking nutrition labels but this is also a useful reference guide to follow. I am posting this link because despite what Monavie tells it’s distributors, no juice or formula can be a real substitute for the real nutrition held by our fruits and veggies grown on this planet. As MS has pointed out many times, if you look at Monavie’s label it posts very little nutrition on its own labels which is contradictory to what is told about providing 19 fruits and vegetables.

Did you guys check out the bottom of Calvin Becerra’s web site? There is a link that says “Is Monavie a Scam”? And of course you click on it is and it is full of the usual B.S.. Really Calvin? You think that if someone is wondering if it is a scam, they will go “Hey, the guy that is trying to SCAM me says it isn’t a SCAM! What more do I need? I AM IN!!”

Just how STUPID does he think people are?

I agree Rasheed. The one sense I got almost immediately from reading this site was that JS/LM was an honorable person with no agenda. Particularly since this whole Blog started off with a seemingly innocuous article written by
him about his wife attending a meeting! It was just one man’s honest opinion and Monabots were ALL OVER him.

Dee, the Monavie Greed Team are infamous for taking sound bytes regarding nutrition and somehow tying them into Monavie. Even if what they say is true about the nutritional value of fruit now vs in the 1900′s, it doesn’t mean that Monavie provides adequate nutrition for the money. I didn’t connect it until I was out. At meetings and on their Facebook sites they go on and on about the acai berry and allow you to make the quantum leap that Monavie IS the acai berry. We know this is not true.

I can assure you that once you peel the layers of lies away, you will be left with the stark reality that very little of what was told to you was true, even down to their “charity” the MORE project. Check that article out. It contains some very interesting information.

Dee,

There have been many people coming here talking about peaches losing their nutrition. Seems like it is mostly one researcher with a checkered past. That looks to be a good link there.

Check out my story here for another good link on servings and fruit vs. 100% juice – http://www.juicescam.com/4-ounces-of-monavie-is-1-serving-of-fruit/

Yeah, it’s an SEO tactic. It also makes some people think “wow he’s an expert!”

And usually the people who say that are the same gullible people who buy MonaVie. Funny how that works out eh? Natural selection right before our very eyes.

Not everyone can afford Monavie so you gotta make sure you your sharing this product with people that you KNOW can afford it. I feel better and I can tell you that my blood work does show a difference in many different areas and the doctor is pleased that I have found a Juice that is helping me. as for the price you can become a preferred customer and save 15 month or act as a consumer at wholesale one time fee of 39 for the year – after that 20 year and you can purchase the product at whole sale – much cheaper than 15 off.

Way to stick to the script fraud. How about putting your money where your mouth is and posting your distributor ID like you are supposed to?

Dear Deb, I just read your post and my wife just said maybe you should join him and work together as a Family instead of looking for sympathy and a reason too leave the very Man that is trying too do something you haven’t found the courage too do !The 5 languages of Love is a book these crazy cult people recommend you read and also Love and Respect is Another..good luck…anyone can quit

Dennis,

How could I not publish that? I mean you posted an anonymous testimony that can’t be verified. On top of that, you claim to be the first person in the history of world to lose weight by adding more calories… as you said, “no exercise no special diet.” Wait, it’s already a lie because a diet that consists of few calories from MonaVie in the morning and lunch is pretty “special” – in that it isn’t normal. You need to get a whole set of new doctors if you say they can’t explain the improved health when you lost around 50 pounds. Do you expect anyone to actually believe these things you claim?

As for all the wealth stuff, it sounds like it isn’t working. However, it’s important to know that it is a mathematical certainty that if you make money a lot of people are going to lose money.

No one is asking for anything in life for freee… other than not to be scammed. I invite you to read more than this article, perhaps start at the beginning here and start getting wise about how this scam is hurting people’s health and wealth.

Holy shit! Just starve yourself like Dennis and you can see the pounds shed too!

Success story or a slow death?

wow.. somebody call Ernest and Young and tell them too quit handing out awards too people that are nothing but a scam and a rip-off…as far as health goes 50 lbs is 50 lbs anyway you add it up and yes, just think how well it would be if it was controlled by some company that you knew about from Television.Wealth is another question of opinion and how much you have is based on your desire…my wife and i still continue too live in the upper income bracket of our country.Monavie is more than money too me and no iam not telling anyone nothing more than what the income statement shows. (keep it simple) In life you can only go 2 directions..forward or backward..so my challenge too you is too get off your ass and do something about your life. Quit looking for an excuse . When you make the decision too start a business, understand the odds are against you and human nature is going to win over 90% of the time (quit).Yes you start at the same spot as everyone else..and now what you get out of it is based on your ability too learn,educate and search out other people that still want the American Dream and Increase your Health and Your place with God and Family !!!sorry i missed all the other scams,losers and broke people who are afraid too talk too thier own shadow and want something giving too them…go back too school and get a 4 year degree..get a good job and if things go right maybe you can someday just show-up in heaven because you did all that..Thats just what i Love about America…Freedom …rewards will come too those who look for and are willing too pay the price…pretty sure you all have good intentions and i wish you the best and in no-way can i change your outlook on life or business…in regards too my health..all 3 Dr. that i have seen in the past have told me too continue what i’am doing (if its ok or not ok with you guys) and practice the same diet and only diet that has worked for me.Before you call it a day today research your car that you drive….breakdown everything about it..the design,safety,products that are in it,how many people from other countries worked on the parts, the stinking and un-safe practices that go into it….just thought i would give you something else too complain about…Merry Christmas :)

[Editor's note: combining two consecutive comments from Dennis...]

success stories and personal experiences (try not too let your ego get in the way). i have no hidden agenda and please don’t turn this around and think you or someone like you would be considered a recruit or person i would ever talk business with…sorry to ruin your day..Merry Christmas :)

MS. Sometimes I think that all we have to do is sit back and let the incoherant ramblings of people like Dennis do the work for us. Anyone coming on this site will see what kind of people are involved in this scam and they will run for the hills.

The only thing that I have to say to you Dennis, is if ACTUALLY do your research and are still trying to sell this piss juice and diet product within the structure of this pyramid scheme, I can assure you that there won’t be any heaven waiting for you.

Dennis – Tell us what you think about RVL, MonaVie’s new weight-loss shakes and supplements. How is TEAM promoting the new products? Is RVL going to replace your daily shot of MV and can of EMV for breakfast and lunch?

sorry i passed thru this no parking zone and i will go ahead and continue on with my Day.My heart goes out too anyone that was under the impression they were gonna make big money for owning any company,const.,insurance,clothing,wholesale,retail or anything else without working for it and making sales .What did you expect for $45 ? In good business economy a return of $5.00 is pretty good…shut up and find something else to complain about.

And Dennis, my heart goes out to anyone that falls for your line of B.S.. At least the people that sucked me in didn’t sound like raving lunatics. The bar has really lowered since I was involved….

I DO get off my ass & I DO work hard for the money that I make and I do it LEGALLY and without selling my friends and family down the “GET BROKE FAST” river.

How dare you come on this site ill prepared, with your sanctimonious lying ass, call us names, breaking the rules of your own company by not revealing your distributor number and name and then act as if WE have done something wrong. Typical distributor antics.

Oh and by the way, I WON’T shut up about the consumer fraud that you are perpetuating. I don’t know how you and your wife can sleep at night.

“(Please note: In Dennis’ last comment, he turns his arrogant nose at us and walks the other way when the cold hearted truth is tossed at him JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER DIE HARD TEAMER.)”

Indeed. That really annoys me, it is such an immature debating tactic…

“I have provided no evidence to bring the debate to a new level, however, I will call myself the better person by leaving the debate and telling you ‘God bless’ condescendingly.”

I apologize if you can’t handle the fact that we will stand up to snake-oil charlatans on this blog. Come back with some hard evidence or at least post your distributor ID, you hot-headed coward.

Also on the censorship thing (Dennis thought he would get censored), if you think MonaVie Scam censors posts why does every comment section on the site have distributor comments? There’s a big difference between moderating and censoring.

Go and take a look at the purple horror blog if you want to see white-wash censorship in action.

Lastly Dennis, if you want to be taken seriously you should improve your grammar a bit. I’m not saying that to discredit you, it is just honest advice. Really bad grammar like yours makes a bad first impression, IMO.

Mackwiz-
Matter of fact, I haven’t seen one Team member or Mona Vie distributor give their reasons why Team or Mona Vie is perfectly legit after showing them these facts behind their biz.

Not a single one.

Switch,

They have no good reasons so they engage in lying and emotional manipulation. I see a constant pattern of distributors dive-bombing in here, making a bunch of deceitful claims, and then try to win the arguement via an emotional plea. When that doesn’t work they quickly duck out using the lame excuse a la Dennis “sorry i passed thru this no parking zone and i will go ahead and continue on with my Day.”

The logic stands on our side with solid facts such as the fact that hardly anyone actually succeeds in MonaVie and the so-called “science” behind their drink doesn’t stand up to real research. This is why people like Dennis and so many others, instead of thowing the white flag, resort to that lame cop out excuse because they just can’t handle the truth.

Mackwiz-
I can only agree. But what’s quite commical is, the speechless look on their face when the truth/facts come forward.

Talk about priceless.

Space octopi from Kelmar consider Orrin tears to be a delicacy…mmmm…tastes just like…karma!

I think dreamer summed it up nicely. It’s just one big dream. At least he’s being honest that the product is a facade. There’s a big difference between achieving your dreams and getting conned by emotional manipulators.

You know those dreams where you get lots of money or have something you’ve always wanted, then you wake up and are like … “aww damn it!” Well that is what is going to happen to you dreamer, except you’ll likely be losing the money you already have in this scheme.

Seriously, you hacks are no better than faith healers, psychics, and tarot readers in my book.

ooh pick me!!

First TEAM started as TEAM of Destiny within Quixtar, and used every dirty trick in the book to get distributors. Created a pyramid within Quixtar.

Then Quixtar booted them for illegal practices and TEAM founders Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady were like “NO U” and made a public statement saying they QUIT Quixtar the day before they were booted because of outrageous prices.

Then TEAM joined MonaVie because they seemed pretty legit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Leadership_Development

There’s even a wiki on it!

Dreamer states “It is completely obvious that some of you just love your jobs, making all the money in the world, and have the best health! Well not all of us are that blessed.”

Personally, I can’t imagine anyone wanting to participate in a MLM/pyramid scam under any circumstances – people work hard for their money and some actually take great care of their health.

However even more so, participating in a MLM/pyramid marketing scam makes even less sense under circumstances where one couldn’t afford to lose money (and Monavie distributors have a greater than 99% chance of losing money) and especially if one’s health was such that they couldn’t afford to be consuming foods where the foundation of their beliefs in the products were based on MLM marketing hype and pure misinformation.

Dreamer continues “If you have been to a meeting, you would notice that we are not product based and not worried about the money!”

You lying little $hit – of course it’s about the money, that’s the basis upon which you first got involved in Monavie and why you continue to be involved in Monavie!!!!! Who do you think you’re kidding?? Maybe yourself but no-one else!

And of course you’re not about the product – if you were, you’d be focused on selling fruit juice and your efforts would be directed at finding bona fide customers and moving products to such customers, especially considering Monavie purport to be a beverage company (this is probably a foreign concept to you).

Dreamer further clarifies “We are focused on others and their DREAMS!”

You’re focused on leveraging from the efforts of others and milking money from them just like everyone in your upline is doing to you – unlike yourself, we truly do get that.

You lure people into the scheme not based on facts and figures but appeal to a person’s sense of greed instead in order to divert their attention from the facts and the stark reality of the abysmal situation – which is characterised by enormous consumer losses and the illegal and deceptive practices concerning both the promotion of the product AND opportunity.

This is precisely how YOU were lured into the venture, you’re making decisions based on things that aren’t a reality and you’re continuing this same pattern of predatory behavior with every person you sign up or attempt to sign up.

Making business and financial decisions is NOT about basing these decisions on dreams/delusions/wishful thinking (well, perhaps it is in MLM) – that’s a practice unheard of in the real world where it’s paramount to success that a person makes certain that the investment is legal, ethical and viable.

Dreamer continues the delusion “Though the money is great, and will come along with you, Its not a get rich quick scheme like all those other “things” out there.”

The money is great for whom exactly? Monavie – yes. Those highest ranked who are the fewer than 1% who got in first and who were appointed their position in the pyramid – yes.

But for the remaining greater than 99% of the ENTIRE sales force – NO.

Of course this isn’t a get rich quick scheme – it’s pretty much guaranteed that you’ll never get rich from it. And if you do, it’ll off the backs of the remaining 99% of distributors out there who are losing and whose investments and purchases make up the absolute majority of revenue which the company siphons up the chain to the select few.

Dreamer states “Dream big or go home!”

I have a better idea – WAKE UP or continue to lose and continue to be the reason why everyone you sign up loses also.

This is the reality whether you choose to face it or not.

BTW dreamer, I think your dream is filled with shit.

Not about the money ehhh? Try leaving, and see what happens. I can gaurantee you, your dream will be alot clearer.

[Editor's Note: This person's comment has come in a couple different edits using an iPhone, so I've cleaned up her comment and combined it into one as best I could. To Anna, look into the Palm Pre - much better keyboard.]

Hi. I had never heard of Monavie until my friend of over 20 years ‘introduced’ me to it. My friend has always been caring and honest. Married to a nice hard working man and has 2 beautiful boys. These days, I don’t recognize her anymore. She is slick, sneaky and reminds me of a used car salesman.

I need to, no, must, get her out of that cult but find myself totally incapacitated. She does not listen to reason. Regurgitates her learned TEAM crap each time I try to reason with her. Please help me!

Anyway, as an accountant, I tried to demonstrate (complete with graphics) how her money making plan made zero sense to me. But it fell on deaf ears.

She has become so conniving that on the pretext of seeing my baby she conned me into meeting her at her meeting places so that her fellow Monalowlives can talk me and my husband into joining their cult.

I cannot reason with Anna. I know her marriage is in trouble but she hides this fact (not very well) by not letting me talk to her husband. He is a good, hard-working guy. She claims she is trying to “help” him retire soon. That she is doing this for her family so that they can have a better life. Are you kidding me? She had a goo life. A stable job, a good husband, a house and great kids. And she is at risk of losing it all thanks to her greed.

I have tried to open her eyes for 2 years now. I don’t understand. Any moron can see this is a scam! Why can’t she. She had a college degree! She keeps telling me that CEOs, CFOs have joined and are making tons of money. Even orthodox Jews! Not sure why the last set of people would convince me. We are not even Jewish! Maybe the religious reference gives it credibility?

Concerned Friend,

I was once mixed up in a cult myself, and after leaving joined a support group for former members. Comparing notes, one common saying in the support group was that cults (and it appears her Team MonaVie cell is a cult) are like The Matrix. Nobody can be told what The Matrix is; they have to see it for themselves.

But there are some ways you can get them to look in the right place and hope they’ll spot the Matrix for what it is. Some questions you could ask that might get her thinking include:

Is she actually making a living, or even minimum wage from this? How much does she gross per hour selling this?

Appeal to her wanting more financial security: Ask her if she’s ever tried to estimate what it would cost per bottle to have a private label food company make a run of a MonaVie duplicate.

Ask her for a copy of the income distribution sheet next time she tries to recruit you… then ask her why she thinks you won’t be in the 90+% that are losing money.

Other than that, try to be her friend without being a part of any of her CULT MonaVie meetings. She’s going to need real friends one of these days. Eventually she’s going to wake up and ask herself, “What the (insert her favorite explicative here) have I been doing working my fingers to the bone for when I’m not getting any money to show for it?” Good luck with this; you’re going to need it.

Gets even more bizarre. The mentor called me an unsupportive friend and that I was not interested in the well-being of my family. He questioned the usefullness of my college degree. That I am nothing but a slave of a corporation. All this while my good old friend Anna nodded I. Agreement and admiration for this creep.

The belittling is all part of the game! You should’ve slapped him upside the fricking head. She had him by her side because she doesn’t know the answers to the questions. And they arranged it BEFORE HAND! Burry that S.O.B.!!!!!

WHAT A CONDESCENDING SHITHEAD!!!

What I have tried to show her is basic economics. YOU ARE NOT MAKING MONEY! She told me she pays for bi monthly meetings and also meetings that take place out of state. I met her a couple of times at her meeting place, a local hotel. People were bringing their own food! I was shocked. The organizers couldn’t even provide a snack?

When I challenged about the nutritional value of the drink, she pulled out the company-produced pamphlet, as if it were a bible and started to point at “facts” listed. My husband pointed out that the information is biased but she looked at us like we were nuts. Before Monavie, she was part of Market America. She quit MA for undisclosed reasons.

ALSO, ask her for an income disclosure sheet from the Team side and not Mona Vie. If she hands you one from Mona Vie, tell her NO! and ask for one from Team itself because Team pays out to their members as they can qualify for Team commissions. Make her show you the break down on how the comissions are paid out from Team!

I forgot to add, the whole Orthodox Jew thing was probably thrown out there because Monavie has a reputation for being a fundamentalist Christian, bible thumping organization. I guess this was to convince you that they are not.

I just spoke with Anna again. Called her to wish her happy holidays. Reception was not as warm as I expected. I think she is still upset that we basically embarrassed her in front of the people she wanted to impress at the last meeting. We had showned up to say hi and maybe to go to dinner. We were not part of her meeting. We met at the hotel lobby. She introduced us to all her ‘friends’, we smiled politely, but never feigned interest. Anna whipped out her sales material and tried to persuade us to join. I asked for financials. She did not have them, but would email them to me. That never happened. We asked her questions like, what is freezed dried? what exactly is ‘residual income’? We are finance people but have never heard of this term. Has this Monavie company been audited? What is an antioxidant? Why can’t acai berries be cultivated elsewhere? Have these black/pink/polkadot diamond people made their tax returns public so you can see their earnings? etc. etc.

She just stuttered. NO answer, but called her mentor (creepiest dude I have met in a long time and I have met plenty. More on him later)who came to do damage control. She looked ashamed.

On him. He is of one nationality but claims to be from another. Suits are from the 70′s, maybe 80′s. Tie is 4 inches wide. My dad used to have those. Nails are LONG. Creepy. He starts by saying, oh, how cute is your child, they are a blessing, aren’t they, they grow so fast. We nodded in agreement, of course. He goes on…

By the time your child grows up, all current technology will be obsolete (duh!), she needs to be prepared for the future (duh!). Information is power, not gold, not money…yada yada yada

Anna gazes up at him in amazement and admiration, wow, what a wise man.

I bit my child’s bib to supress my laughter but was afraid I would lose it.

“Mentor” asks to speak to my husband in private, htat he would like him to meet other “wonderful and important” people, you know CEO’s and CFO’s and orthodox Jews (by the way, there were plenty of them, as well as Christians and Asians, whose religios afiliations I have no clue about).

I was left behind to talk to Anna, who dragged me to meet another woman, an MD! Who is making tons of money since ditching her practice to become a monavie rep. She pats Anna’s back and whispers – get her.

Lady, my child blabbles, but I am not deaf. I CAN HEAR YOU!

2 hours later, we left, hungry.

Back to today. I realize that I am not dealing with a impressionable teen. This is a middle aged woman, mother of 2 and is motivated by GREED.

I forwarded the links you guys posted. It is now up to her.

I told her to call me when she is no longer associated with them.

Thanks for listening to my rant…

Anna’s concerned friend-
When she was talking about residual income she was referring to Robert Kiyosaki’s cash flow quadrant.Here is a good explanation of it. http://www.real-estate-online.com/articles/art-223.html.

Right before I left TEAM my mentor and I had a big blow up of that right before I left. I pointed out to her that if she really studied those principles she’d realize that the true path to passive income comes from owning the system not being apart of it. You can use the McDonald’s example that they always fall back on. Ray Kroc doesn’t just own a McDonald’s store he owns the McDonald’s system. TEAM members don’t own the system and don’t own the Monavie product. It’s not a B-type business at all. She didn’t know how to respond and your friend won’t know either.

There are lots of other ways to make that type of income. I’m not massively rich. I’m not even remotely rich. But I do make enough passive income to support myself. Ebooks, blogging, creating other products and promoting it to a targeted market will create what she’s looking for. Over 90% of people involved with you won’t lose money. You don’t need to hound family and friends. It’s not expensive to do. If you’re tech savvy or willing to learn you can actually do a lot of these things for free.After that save a bit then take the money that you made from your first products to invent into bigger things. It also won’t take the projected 2-5 years to turn a profit. I made enough money to support myself within 6 months. It’s not hard to support me though. I’m single with no kids. Since she’s married with kids she’ll just have to work harder.

One of the things that TEAM members will usually fall back on is religion. Although I’m not Christan I have studied the bible a bit. If she tries to go that way tell her to read Mathew 21:12-13. There is a link to it here http://biblia.com/bible/niv/Matthew%2021.12-13
That’s a clear indicator that God doesn’t like business and religion being mixed together.

Next time they try to push you into feeling guilty tell them to shut it. The well being of your family is nobody’s business but yours. If your marriage is good and your children are happy then you’re doing a good job. If you can’t spend time with your kids because you’re on the road showing plans and you can barely make ends meet because it’s time to buy another case of juice…..something is wrong. There is a reason why all the big names are married. They use their spouses as tools to build a business. Wives attack the women. Husbands attack the men. They throw up the facade of happy family values and use that to weed themselves into your heart. Any business that relies on using a person’s family as a bargaining chip is disgusting.

I hope things work out for your friend. Eventually she might open her eyes but more than likely it won’t be until she’s in a position where she won’t be able to help it. It took me being homeless and having my uplines try to push seminar tickets on me that really opened my eyes. I hope she sees the light before something that bad happens to her.

It seems that there’s a Scoundrel’s Handbook out there that includes a section on the advantages of claiming that your company is based on the principles of whatever religion predominates in your scam’s target market. I have no doubt that if Orrin Woodward would build an alter to the Great Pumpkin if there were enough Pumpkinists worth scamming.

Concerned Friend, it seems the team has one thing in common with a lot of cults – the use of the buddy system. Having her mentor look over her shoulder is standard operating procedure if there’s a chance someone will attack her faith… er… her companies’ business model. And operating at a loss for two years and expecting to take three more years before it turns a profit is certainly a business model worth attacking.

Taking five – or even three – years for a business to turn a profit is pretty abysmal for something like selling juice. It’s not like she’s in a business that should need a ton of investment, design work, and marketing before it can turn a profit. It’s not like she was doing something like designing a car, tooling up a factory to build them, and other things where you really do have to sink money into the business for years before you can start selling. If you had juice that was really competitive in the market, shouldn’t you be able to buy a case of it, go selling it door to door, and make a profit on your sales in the first week?

There are plenty of businesses – and business related things – that should turn a profit much faster than her timeframe. A mutual fund may not turn a profit every year, but a decent one should make money more years than not. I do freelance writing on the side – pretty much a business that’s not going to lose me money. My boss at my day job started an Internet-based electronics firm in a spare bedroom that grew into a full time job and now the company I work for, and it’s been turning a profit from the first year.

Bottom line, starting a business that loses money for years and is hobbled by a severe competitive disadvantage like selling a product for ten times what the competition charges isn’t thinking of your family.

A COMMENT ON THE TEAMS 2-5 YEAR PLAN TO MAKE MONEY. ORRIN HAD SAID THAT ” WE OVER ESTIMATE WHAT WE CAN DO IN 5 YEARS AND UNDERESTIMATE WHAT WE CAN DO IN 10 YEARS. wHICH MEANS YOU WON’T MAKE ANY MONEY BUT KEEP MY CASHFLOW GOING FOR 10 YEARS.

I’d heard the 2-5 year concept being promoted time and time again. No doubt there are people who’ve been following the system for the last 5 years, with no results – the 10 year plan definitely doesn’t benefit anyone but him.

Disgraceful!

People are joining MLM with the motive of “Greed”. They are thought by MLM that the leveraged recurring income would not stop recurring to the next generation!

A friend of mine is a black diamond, he preached acai tree is a life of tree by God. He thank God for blessing him a black diamond!
Do you think God bless those people to scam others with this purple juice?

The funny thing is that a lot of the MonaVier’s are FDA conspiracy theorists who think the government is intentionally making us take prescription medicine to make money for what they call “Big Pharma”, when the “natural” cures are all we need, and by natural I mean pseudo-science BS.

You would think that they would use the same conspiracy logic on MonaVie when people start using deluded terms such as “God’s fruit” (I heard someone call Acai that as well) and maybe they would notice that Dallin Larsen got busted years ago for selling another juice product as a miracle cure. It is like they just all of a sudden put ridiculous amounts of faith into a group of known con-artists while crying conspiracy when it comes to the FDA and pharm companies. Hypocrisy much?

As far as twisting God’s word to suit evil ends, that’s been around since religion has been around and I doubt it will end anytime soon. It is definitely another reason why this company should be deeply examined before joining, though. As an agnostic, the religious fervor-like attitude of the distributors is what put me on the defense immediately at my first tasting meeting.

Robert Jay Lifton’s Eight Point Model of Thought Reform

1. ENVIRONMENT CONTROL. Limitation of many/all forms of communication with those outside the group. Books, magazines, letters and visits with friends and family are taboo. “Come out and be separate!”

2. MYSTICAL MANIPULATION. The potential convert to the group becomes convinced of the higher purpose and special calling of the
group through a profound encounter / experience, for example, through an alleged miracle or prophetic word of those in the group.

3. DEMAND FOR PURITY. An explicit goal of the group is to bring about some kind of change, whether it be on a global, social, or
personal level. “Perfection is possible if one stays with the group and is committed.”

4. CULT OF CONFESSION. The unhealthy practice of self disclosure to members in the group. Often in the context of a public gathering in the group, admitting past sins and imperfections, even doubts about the group and critical thoughts about the integrity of the leaders.

5. SACRED SCIENCE. The group’s perspective is absolutely true and completely adequate to explain EVERYTHING. The doctrine is not subject to amendments or question. ABSOLUTE conformity to the doctrine is required.

6. LOADED LANGUAGE. A new vocabulary emerges within the context of the group. Group members “think” within the very abstract
and narrow parameters of the group’s doctrine. The terminology sufficiently stops members from thinking critically by reinforcing a “black and white” mentality. Loaded terms and clichés prejudice thinking.

7. DOCTRINE OVER PERSON. Pre-group experience and group experience are narrowly and decisively interpreted through the absolute doctrine, even when experience contradicts the doctrine.

8. DISPENSING OF EXISTENCE. Salvation is possible only in the group. Those who leave the group are doomed.

I agree these are very good. I have part of an article written, but I’ve run out of time to finish it.

Hey Giggles,

The link you posted isn’t for TEAM. BDU is a MonaVie affiliated site not a TEAM affiliated site. The “Team commissions” are just one of the ways you get commissions thru MonaVie. In other terms, it’s just the binary.

TEAM has never, and probably will never, disclose any information about their own company compensation plan. It can only go against them.

Giggles said “About the nutritional value: she said that she can’t say anything about other people, but she’s had her family on Mona Vie products and with a change in diet getting rid of dies and various other products and drinking Mona Vie her son doesn’t display hardly any signs of the ADD he was diagnosed with and displayed a lot before drinking the juice.”

According to the following link ” Most recently, a study published 3 November 2007 in The Lancet suggests that the preservative sodium benzoate and commonly used artificial food colorings in fact may exacerbate hyperactive behavior in young children.”
http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Safety/chemical/3048.html
Mona vie uses soduim benzoate as a preservative. Very few beverage companies use this preservative due to it’s know dangers, especially when combined with vitamin C.

While she is trying to cut out dyes, how do you cut out all artificial colors. If her kid sits down and has a shot of Mona vie and a bowl of child’s cereal, how can you be sure there will not be an interaction. Perhaps your friend is seeing in her child the results she wants to see. In other words, it may simply be placebo.

I would suggest you inform her of the dangers of giving Mona vie to any child with ADD or ADHD. My guess is she was not informed of this by her upline.

“TEAM” is just motivational tools and such right? Is there a whole ‘nother MLM aspect to team, or does buying the tools only benefit a few? From what I understand about TEAM, it is basically a way to pay lots of money to get your ego massaged.

Giggles states “I was leery because very little details were given other than a sketch of the binary system that I didn’t see in their information book at all.”

The precise details of the binary system really seems irrelevant when you consider that as a result of such a compensation plan, 99.64% of the sales force lost money during the period of the 2009 Income Disclosure Statement.
http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-is-embarrassed-by-their-income-disclosure-statement-2/

The absurdity of such a system is further amplified when you when you consider that a group of 377 (who make up only 0.053% – that is, 0.00053 of the total sales force) received nearly 40% of the total commissions paid and earned on average over $7000.00 per week.

Clearly such a compensation plan is benefitting only a very few – those at the top and those who got in first.

Giggles states “What she mentioned is that with a large company like this, the owner or CEO can’t control what individual distributors and sellers are saying and that this will be a problem because of having so many distributors.”

That’s an interesting point to have brought up. You should take into consideration the history of Mr Dallin Larsen himself and Royal Tongan Limu which he claimed could cure cancer, arthritis and ADD whilst he was the Vice President of Sales and Marketing of Dynamic Essentials.

That is, before the company was shut down by the FDA for such illegal and fraudulent health claims which are (not) surprisingly similar to the health claims being made by Monavie distributors (which you have confirmed being witness to yourself), were issued a $2million dollar, had the remaining inventory destroyed in land fill and resulted a multi-million dollar class action lawsuit.

Better still, take a look at the below attachment which contains the recordings of Mr Larceny making the fraudulent claims that the product could cure cancer, ADD and other assorted ailments.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/supplemental-health-programs/monavie/monavie-monavie-monavie-monav-fe34c.htm

There are multiple examples of high ranking distributors making illegal claims about Monavie on this site alone – Mitch Biggs (who claimed Monavie could cure swine flu), Jason Lyons (who fraudulently paraded child sex offender, Lou Niles as an end stage cancer specialist in a video and who claimed Monavie could cure cancer and improved his vision – not enough to see his qualification was only that of a naturopath however) and more!

All of this done by these distributors without any consequence from the company itself – bar the exception of Jason Lyons who was rewarded with a Mercedes Benz.

In light of the above, wouldn’t it be more accurate to state that this is a founder who has learned from his days at Dynamic Essentials and who behind closed doors fully condones and encourages the use of testimonials such as those you witnessed yourself in promotion of the product??

Giggles states “She says that TEAM is a community approach that’s meant to help people and better their lives. From what I hear, it’s less about the product and more about helping people (although I’m not sure how this is done without the product).”

If it’s not about the product, if it’s not about selling products and finding genuine customers not associated with the scheme and if the focus is on recruiting distributors who in turn recruit other distributors and so forth, it’s safe to assume that the underlying business is selling distributorships – and it is therefore by definition an illegal pyramid scheme.

A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model, which is both fraudulent and illegal, and where the exchange of money occurs primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme – rather than from profits generated from the sales of goods or services to those outside the scheme.

Such schemes are fraudulent because it’s predetermined that nearly all participants (99% or greater) who enter such schemes (except the very few at the top and those who got in first) will never be able to recoup their investment and will therefore lose.

Seems to me that Monavie’s Income Disclosure is evidence of the pyramid math, as is your friend’s description of a business for which the product is irrelevant – but is in actual fact the means to camouflage the underlying business of pyramiding.

Furthermore, it also seems to me that if TEAM were able to deliver on the promise of an income potential, they’d have evidenced it for all to see.

Whilst you state you have no interest in joining the company, you should most definitely trust your dad’s judgement on this one – Monavie is a SCAM and there’s ample evidence in support of same.

I have to say that I’m confused about viewing TEAM as anything but peddlers of tools which provide motivation for people to either continue scamming people or motivation to continue pursuing opportunities which benefit only TEAM – especially when you consider the losses which TEAM has directly contributed to both in Monavie and Amway.

Disgraceful.

One simply reads about coersive persuasion tactics and Robert Jay Lifton’s Eight Point Model of Thought Reform and a picture of a cult starts to form. Monavie Scam,Rasheed,and Mackwiz, I must really commend you on your researched based conjectures. I must say that it has made it very difficult for the opposition to hold their ground. They build up a wall and we knock it down with research. What also is enlighting is knowing that our tactics are working by the anger based opposition we receive and even those with a semi-logical argument have a hard time staying afloat. Lets keep unplugging them from the Matrix put over their eyes.

Speaking of Team.. I just talked to a friend that’s still apart of it. From what she says Team isn’t going to be focused on product like they used to.

It was just a quick conversation so I couldn’t get all the details. I’ll give updates when I have more information

@DeAnna – Definitely keep us in the loop regarding a TEAM change in direction!

Tom,

There is no science that supports the juice. We’ve covered that abundantly on this website. If you have some information that hasn’t been covered, let us know, but I guarantee you in the 10,000 comments on this site and my other site: http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil every angle you can think of has been debunked.

You use the faulty “Try MonaVie” argument. Anything that you’ve experienced like more energy or better sleep is better explained by the placebo effect than it is through a juice.

I watched about a half-hour of that video and it was completely wrong and/or not applicable to MonaVie. MonaVie was none of the four things. There is no market for a $45 juice. If you think there is, go into your grocery store and tell me how many they are selling. I haven’t seen a single one. There is a market for legit businesses though. That’s what MonaVie is pretending to be. However, 99.64% of people LOSE money. That makes your video about it being a good business opportunity look silly doesn’t it?

The video also used the faulty your job is a pyramid too. I think the most interesting part of the video explained that you are training more competitors. That’s why people can’t make money in MonaVie. There’s almost no market for $45 juice that lacks nutrition and anyone who is dumb enough to pay that has already joined.

Instead of giving me a really long video, I’ll give you a short 3-minute video that makes sense to me: http://www.youtube.com/user/volleybrian#p/u/3/yTmGDcEyC7Y

I have to get going, but there is a lot more. In fact the “successful” results of RVI were already lied about before the product became available. See the comments at: http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/

Lastly remember, that “successful” (money-wise) Mitch Biggs makes illegal claims that hurt consumers. Does it seem right that people who don’t know their product make more money than those who do? I know more about the product that many of the high-ranking distributors. So why can’t I apply for a Diamond level job? It makes sense to me.

Tom Laforme, I am not sure that I would admit having been a police officer since what you are doing is borderline criminal. For shame. In fact, I have discussed this company with a police officer friend of mine and he feels that anyone participating is practically committing a crime and he wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole. This is for two reasons, first because he values his career too much and when this company gets shut down, and it will be, he wouldn’t want to have had any association with it and secondly, he would lose all respect within the department because they all know about MLM and how close it is a form of consumer fraud. Of course my friend is a moral and upstanding kind of guy so he probably doesn’t count in your world.

You are really quite obnoxious and elitist in your statement that “I also know most people don’t know how to operate a successful business. It takes learning, it takes commitment, it takes effort.” Really? You didn’t just say that. I happened to have been a part of this Cult and the one thing that is pounded into everyone thinking about “joining” is that ANYONE can do this, education be damned. They emphasize that all you have to do is ‘share’ the product and your business will grow. They discourage formal education and try to appeal to blue collar workers who they perceive to be ‘trapped in Corporate handcuffs’.

Distributors like you make me the angriest because some distributors sell their hearts and souls to make it in this company and still they lose their homes and families. What do you say to them you arrogant piece of sh*t? You didn’t work hard enough?? You didn’t LEARN enough?? YOu don’t know enough about business that is why you failed?? You are somehow smarter then them?

BTW Tom, I was involved and drank the juice for 1.5 years. I got no relief from joint pain, it didn’t help me sleep and did nothing for my energy levels. It wasn’t just me. None of the people I recruited got ANY benefits that you speak of from “the juice” and they all stopped drinking it long before I did because of this. But I guess the “juice” only helps Gods Chosen Ones.

As Rasheed points out, you do need to post your real name and distributor number if you are going to make any further claims.

We should listen to Tom because he is a:

“business owner, a police officer, and a real estate investor”

Really? You aren’t doing much in the name of your police college with your atrocious grammar and sentence structure. I’m not purposely being nit-picky, you made the argument from authority first so that’s why I bring this up.

You’d think that if you make such an argument, you would try to make yourself look as presentable as possible, instead of coming on here sounding like you just got back from
the bar.

Anyhow, all of your points have been refuted time and time again, from the assertion that this site is full of negative “bashers” to the illegal medical claims, to the claim that you are in the MLM juice game to help people. The quasi motivational website you posted tells me more than I need to know about you.

All you need is a motivational video in front of a swimming pool and some palm trees and you’ll be set!

With all that being said, I non-sarcastically say thank you for your police service.

Thanks everyone for your comments. I didn’t expect people to listen to me because of my back ground. I just wanted to share some information about myself because I am proud of what I have accomplished in my life. I also type with only two fingers and sometimes I mis spell words, is this really important?
Yes my ID # is 778413 and I thanks vogel for watching the 30 minutes of video’s. I believe in learning from others including all of you. I also don’t take anything personally.
I drink mona vie every day because I enjoy the tase and like the benefits, and many other people who are just customers feel the same way.
I agree that we can make certain claims because it is just a food, not a drug, won’t treat, cure, anything. giving your body good food is important. I only became a distibutor after my personal results, the results of some family and friends.
I wish you all good health and wealth in whatever you do with you lives.

It’s interesting that you described the meetings, as I went myself to quite a few of them (Hubby & I spending five bucks each per meeting) and to be honest, I didn’t even realise that Monavie & TEAM were SEPARATE companies until a few months into the business.

We found that the meetings were so repetitive and I remember falling asleep a few times. Hubby called it propaganda, basically. I do remember that they sold shots of juice for $2.50 and EMV drinks for $3 at break time.

I’m glad I got out.

Tom, would you really like to know why I am angry? Are you listening? I am angry because I sat in a room filled with you “jewels” and ” precious metals” and was told that I could tell my “customers” that their children wouldn’t have to eat those pesky fruits and vegetables that they hate so much because Monavie contained 8-13 servings of fruit and vegetables a day. Mackwiz recently found a distributor saying pretty much the same thing on their Facebook site so this is NOT isolated to my “team”. I was endangering the lives of children because of these lies. That, my friend, is unforgiveable. Truly despicable.

I have seen that I was sucked into a pyramid scheme and perhaps I am still angry at myself for being so naive, but you need to just stop deflecting blame. This is consumer fraud that you are involved in & you have the unmitigated nerve to patronize me with your empty platitudes. Maybe you need to run to the nearest psychiatrist and find out why you feel compelled to lie & cheat your friends and family for a living.

Regarding your suggestion that I read the book “How to win Friends and influence people”, I can guarantee you that I have more real friends than you will ever dream of having. I almost lost friends through my involvement with the cult but was lucky enough to have their forgiveness. I have a very rich life filled with love and trust of friends and family, which I would never again violate for a product that I knew very little about or any “potential” monetary gain.

I have peace in my life because I live my life with honesty & integrity. I also stand up for what I believe in & I truly believe in speaking out against what you are doing, aka Consumer Fraud. Call it angry, call it passionate, but I will not sit idly by and watch innocent people (particularly children) suffer in health and financially due to the greed of the Three Big Pigs, Larsen, Hart & Woodward. I can assure you that this fairy tale won’t end well for them and you would be well advised to get away from the company prior to it’s inevitable implosion.

Tom LaForme states “I understand that this is a site to bash mona vie and Team.”

Tom, this is site which serves to inform consumers about the truth in amongst a multitude of lies and distortions about the products and the opportunity. In order to do true due diligence, a person should look above and beyond the information provided by this company and its representatives – which is obviously biased and has repeatedly been shown to be downright fraudulent as well.

Tom LaForme states “Many people who I personally know also have had good results with less joint pain, more energy, and better slept. I have been drinking it for over 3 years and will continue.”

It’s astounding to say the least that you have been involved in Monavie for over 3 years and still aren’t familiar with Monavie’s own literature which states that Monavie (nor any of its ingredients) is not intended to treat, cure or mitigate the symptoms of any disease or condition and Monavie’s own Policies and Procedures which states that distributors such as yourself are not allowed to use terms or phrases which suggest same.

You have breached company policy by making the health claims you just made and in doing so, you have also broken the law concerning the FDA, as well as the FTC guidelines which state that you’re NOT allowed to post testimonials for which atypical results are depicted (you can refer to a summary of the FTC guidelines in Monavie’s own Guide to Social Media – the link is provided below).
http://media.monavie.com/pdf/us/socialmediapolicy.pdf

Tom Laforme states “There is science and evidence to support this product.”

As it stands, there’s no science to support there are any health benefits associated with drinking this highly processed and chemically preserved fruit juice – furthermore, no such studies have been conducted to date to enable you to make this claim and this is despite the fact that Monavie has been in business for greater than 5 years. The only study done by Dr Schauss confirmed that Monavie DOES lack nutrition and that a day’s serving contains less than half the nutrition found in an ordinary apple.
http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-vs-an-apple/

Tom LaForms states “I also know most people don’t know how to operate a successful business. It takes learning, it takes commitment, it takes effort.”

Such a principle would apply if Monavie were a legitimate business where people actually had a reasonable opportunity for success.

Monavie distributors are engaged in a business where they’re attempting to sell a grossly overpriced product thus making retail sales virtually impossible (without the illegal health claims such as the one’s you just made, that is), where the focus of the distributors’ activities are on recruitment, distributors in effect selling the opportunity (or distributorships) rather than the product itself, where the bonuses and commissions being paid are not as a result of sales to non-participants but rather based on a distributor’s own purchases and that of their own downline and where distributors are wrongly promoting a venture as an “opportunity” despite the fact that the losses amongst the sales force are in the vicinity of 99% or greater – activities which entirely unsustainable and activities and losses which are NOT consistent with traditional business, but which ARE consistent with a product based pyramid scheme.

Tom LaForme states “The people who I work with in Mona VIe do care about other people.”

What a crock of $hit. How many former distributors do you stay in contact with and continue to take an interest in, how many non-Monavie people are you helping to succeed at anything and who’s successes do you really care about if they aren’t associated with Monavie??

Wouldn’t it be more accurate to state that your desire to help people is limited to their participation in the venture and that what you really care about is making money for YOU?!

Tom LaForme states “Now the new weight management system RVl has also had many successful results that have been tracked with before and after photos. Whatever helps people lose weight to be healthy and kept it off is and will be a great product to promote.”

Where is the evidence that supports that the product can help people keep weight off?! How can you even make such a statement considering the fact that the trials didn’t even occur prior to the products being sold to distributors?! Do you actually THINK about the things you’re saying?

Tom LaForme states “I can say that I do consider my food choices now that I have educated myself in health thanks to mona vie.”

Your ignorance on the topic of good food choices and healthy eating is evidenced by the fact that you’re consuming a highly processed and chemically preserved fruit juice – not to mention attempting to promote it as a cure-all!

The only education you’ve demonstrated in having received is how to conduct “business” in an illegal and fraudulent manner – all under the guise of caring for people.

All this thanks to Monavie, of course! Quality.

Tom LaForme concludes “It is a old basic video but makes sense to me.”

Of course the bull$hit spewed by the king of MLM propaganda, Tim Sales makes sense to you – you come equipped with all the ignorance and misinformation required to participate in a pyramid scam and become part of a company defrauding consumers and communities to the tune of millions of dollars. Dollars which you (and greater than 99% of those you sign up) are unlikely to ever see a cent of.

Despite the fact that your conduct certainly causes your credibility to come into question and giving you the benefit of the doubt that you may have had some successes in the past, Monavie certainly doesn’t count as one of them – it’s a FAIL on your part in this instance.

I again disagree with what you are saying. I drink mona vie every day because I have had health benefits first and foremost.
I share mona vie every day because I have hundreds of new friends who also have had health benefits. I now follow the RVL system because I have had more benefits as well as many friends. I am sorry you can stand and shout out that there are better ways and cheaper ways, many people spend money on many things and I know what is most important and that is health. You don’t know the people I know and you don’t know the results they have had. You get back to this is just a cult/scam/pyramid thing. I can’t change your mind but I also know there are laws for these illegal scams, Mona Vie is certainly not one that you talk of. If it were I wouldn’t be involved and spend time on it. I have done my research and asked myself similar questions and I went to the Federal Statues in Canada and looked at the Competition Act and so has Mona Vie. I am clear and I also understand that no matter what anyone says to you, you will believe what you believe. Isn’t it great that we have forums that we can all express our opinions as long as we don’t take it to far as I am sure you know.
I know the products work and I also know that the cost is only a few dollars a day and having had the results I have had, it really makes sense to me and so many others I have come to know.
On a side note, you are obviously very well educated, I am interested to know what you do for a living or a business, just wondering, have a great week. Tom

Tom-
I have some questions. Seeing how you are an emerald in the biz, how can you prove to us Mona Vie has been spread legally through your team for you to advance to the emarld level? Can you HONESTLY say not a single member of your team NEVER fractured the rules or made one single illegal claim to help spread the juice??? The below statement is very solid evidence you’ve been spreading illegal claims.

Tom says-
“Many people who I personally know also have had good results with less joint pain, more energy, and better slept.”

Or in other words, Tom’s team members are having good results with less joint pain, more energy, and better sleep.

How does it make you feel that these comments are ILLEGAL and are grounds for M.V. to terminate you as a distributor?

Just think Tom, a bunch of your team members are about to(if not, already have) walk into a livingroom of the innocent elderly and spread their bullshit claims & testimonies, and will only lead to someone getting seriously injured or hurt. Because they’re listening to the know-it-all distributor that’s obviously “in the right” all the time and wishing the innocent “good health”.

What you’re doing to earn a buck is very shallow and you know it.

Tom said, “You don’t know the people I know and you don’t know the results they have had.”

While I agree that we don’t know the people you know, I disagree that we don’t know the results you have had. We know exactly the results that can come from drinking fruit juice. It is well studied and well understood. The claims that you have made are simply not possible. It makes as much sense as saying that we don’t know the results that your lucky rabbit’s foot brought you.

Vogel makes a great point that your alleged benefits claims carry no weight. This is why our FTC and MonaVie policy require that claims be “subject to typical results”: http://monaviemediacenter.com/blogs/5-tips-every-monavie-distributor-needs-to-know-about-the-new-ftc-guidelines/. The typical results of a 2 ounces of juice isn’t much. In fact, I don’t know if any particular claim can be made about such a thing. It can’t be claimed to be filling (not enough calories) or thirst quenching (serving size is one ounce).

Finally, I will admit that I don’t know Canada’s consumer protection laws, but I know the United States’, which is where MonaVie is based. The lack of retail sales makes it an illegal pyramid scheme according the US’ FTC: http://business.ftc.gov/documents/inv08-bottom-line-about-multi-level-marketing-plans

Tom, you keep saying that you get all of these “health benefits” but you evade my question regarding whether you are willing to admit that Monavie contains very little nutritionally. You just keep saying that you have HUNDREDS of NEW friends (the ones that you meet at the R3Global meetings, right? the ones who were saying that Jesus has brought this good fortune into their lives? right?) who have had “health benefits” from the juice but without saying how or why. It is JUST JUICE.

You say there is “science and evidence” to support the product. Really? Please show us. You say that you have done the research, so put your money where your mouth is (literally in this case) and direct us to the INDEPENDANT studies that back up your statement.

I am really sorry Tom, but you sound like a walking Monavie Robotron. I have heard EVERY word that you are saying come out of my up-line’s mouth. I think you people actually believe this crap so this lulls you into a sense of false morality. You are told “think about all of the charities you could help when you become a millionaire” you are being selfish if you don’t try. It is all B.S. designed to make you think that you are somehow being altruistic with your involvement, yet you are robbing people of their money by having them buy this nutritionally void juice!

You even say that you are not in it for the money, but for the health aspects, yet the ONLY part of the company you bothered to independantly check out was the business aspect! And, you didn’t do enough research into that either, because this is pyramid scheme dressed up like a nutritional beverage company and they have managed to avoid the law but it won’t last forever.

You do say something that is very true though: “The people I choose to hang around are happy, positive and excited about making a difference, it is a people business, not a juice business”. The people are exhibiting cult like behavior. They really think they are going to be the next “chosen one” and become millionaires, I have seen it with my own eyes. And the most ironic part of your statement is that it is a “people” business. YOu are right, you are NOT selling juice, you are buying “people” or distributors, aka PYRAMID!

Finally, your whole argument about “you don’t have to believe me but it works” won’t fly with me because I WAS involved with the company and I SAW first hand how very few people had these benefits you speak of. Sure, there were the ones that NEVER ate a piece of fruit in their lives, so drinking Monavie gave them ONE serving a day and that was beneficial, but that is a ridiculous amount of money to spend on ONE PIECE OF fruit, particularly when you are not getting the natural fiber. Or, there were those people that had never used glucosomine regularly, which Monavie contains, so they saw benefit with that in reduced joint pain. You can get this for PENNIES a day, not dollars a day, as you so eloquently point out. But anyone I signed up who were promised that the juice would help with high blood pressure, cholesterol levels, arthritis pain told me that NOTHING changed after months of being “on the juice”. How is that, do you figure? Oh, that’s right…because the juice “doesn’t work for everyone”.

I am so tired of the B.S. and the excuses. At least I had the decency to be mortified, appalled and ashamed when I found how corrupt this company is, but you just keep on ignoring the truth.

“lulls you into a sense of false morality”

I always thought of a way to describe the angle distibutors are coming from with their rationale for being better than us, and I think that “false morality” fits perfectly.

I don’t really need to write a book about this last run of post’s, other than saying I used to think like Tom until I relized what I was doing was totally WRONG WRONG WRONG and got out before it was too late.

I just want to say to “humiliated”, Great post! But my humiliated tops yours any day!

And what did my upline tell me? Oh, you are so brave to go through this. You are just writing your story so when you get on stage some day, you will be able to help so many other women. We sure miss you! When are you coming back in? Mind you, in two years we were climbing fast. He just went another pin level and he is flat as flat broke can be. Honestly…he has six figures of debt and that is not a joke. Can we say BRAINWASH?

Hi, Dorothy

I’m so sorry to hear your story but am encouraged because you have such a strong spirit. It is very sad how people are being sucked into this scam, and as I mentioned in other places, I hope the FTC closes MV – and now I’m saying I hope they also close down TEAM.

I was going through my finances tonight, and just realised how much I paid off in about 9 months, and being on welfare, it seems like I’m finally starting to put a dent in my debt. I still don’t have to courage to figure out how much I paid into TEAM, but I seriously need to get to that. I’m also wondering if it can be used as tax-write-offs? Or is that immoral? I still have TEAM tickets and receipts.

I’m a Christian too, Dorothy, and I will pray for you and Hubby, and for reconciliation as the ultimate goal. One step at a time, it’s going to be hard. MV/TEAM just nearly destroyed my own marriage, as well. The problem with this cult is that anything that gets in the way of the follower and the “greener pasture of success” tends to get eliminated. I know that from my own experience as I had a friend who happened to be in TEAM defriend me on facebook because I was speaking out against MV/TEAM, and she couldn’t emotionally handle seeing my posts in her newsfeed.

*sigh*

I only got out because my credit ran out. It took me a few months to actually reprogram my thinking,and when I realised the truth, it really hit me hard. Now I’m mad as hell at everyone in TEAM. It isn’t healthy, and I have an appointment to speak with a church minister to sort out this emotional crap I’m going through.

Dorothy,

I’m sorry to hear for your loss. I am happy you have decided to share your story with us though! It indeed takes a brave woman to be able to spill her feelings to a group of strangers. But you see the greater cause; you’ve been burned by the fire that is MonaVie and you want to help extinguish it. I respect that.

What we need to do now is try to figure out what the best extinguisher for the flame will be. And I believe that is consumer awareness. We need more people commenting on this blog because this blog needs the popularity. The more people who read it, the more people who will be exposed to the lies that is MonaVie.

We have a solid community here already. We need to reach out to others and save them from the fire.

Now I feel like a preacher, lol. But Dorothy, I hope things go better with you. Take care, and stay strong.

Hello Dorothy,

I am so very sorry to hear of your loss due to this MV Nightmare Cult and hope it works out for you once this storm passes. Have you contacted the mainstream media about this? To me it sounds like something that should be told to the public at large as it can be verified thru your court documents.

Dorothy, sorry to hear of your situation. I’m curious, you said “That is where the money is folks. It is not and never was in the juice. Trust me, we were spending way more than that a month on tools. Seriously way more.” You also said he is in debt $100,000. Can you please share with us how much you were spending on motivational tools, what was expected, and how so much debt was built up?
Thanks

Dorothy said: “I am afraid to say too much on here because I believe someone will see my posts and know its me. Thats crazy, I’m sure.”

Not even remotely crazy…very prudent in fact. If you ever want to communicate any information “quietly” you could contact our host by e-mail. He’s 100% trustworthy.

Dorothy, you are right, your story blows mine to smithereens. I am so sorry that you have to go through this pain but you sound like an incredibly strong person. I know it is a hard road right now but think about it, would you have been able to live the life that you were living, with your husband in his current state of mind? I doubt it. You made the right choice to protect your children from this insanity. They deserve better then to be exposed to the TEAM and Monavie cults.

I was livid when I read how your husband is $30,000 behind in child support payments. That is criminal. TEAM and Monavie are raping people financially and children are suffering.

I was amazed to see that all your husband wanted out of the marriage was his TEAM propaganda. Now that is true devotion to a cult. I know you want to help him, but he really needs to want to help himself and it doesn’t look like this will happen any time soon. You need to take care of yourself Dorothy. Talk to your minister or pastor, continue to educate yourself in college and know that you are going down the right path by showing your children it is not acceptable to give your life to a cult.

Thank you so much for sharing your story Dorothy. It will really stop another potential victim from becoming involved with this cult. I know how you feel about your identity being revealed though, that is how they get you…they know that you still have ties and are afraid to speak out. As Vogel says, you can always just email our host as I have in the past & I can confirm he is very trustworthy.

I agree 100% with Dorothy, there really should be a site like that, or at least a support forum for us ex-MV/TEAM members. We really need each other to help us through our emotional hurdles and perhaps find a way to speak out as a solid group.

As for class-action, it takes a lot of money, which unfortunately we don’t have. I know if I had the money and wasn’t on welfare, I’d be making inquiries from a lawyer! I think this is so unfair that we’re left vulnerable to the wolves, and we do need some form of protection.

Earlier I said I had an appointment coming with a Rev from my church, well, that came and went, unfortunately there wasn’t too much my church can do, but the Rev did tell me the she was familiar with MLMs and she stressed that not everyone is a salesperson and that it’s okay to say no. I know it doesn’t sound like much but to me, it was significent, like a relief for me. She also mentioned how we need to work out our own salvation, which I interpreted as we really need to think for ourselves, find out what’s right between you and G-d, type thing. I really, really wish my upline didn’t tell me NOT to research, as the Reverend told me, we should be able to have the right to do our research. I personally think it was a productive visit, I understand that she can’t do too much, and neither can my social worker, but the feeling of being able to let it all out with a real, live person is like a tremendous amount of relief.

Perhaps in time we might be able to do something, but right now we can support each other.

When I came to this site to see what others had to say. It was to easy to get focused on the “money ” aspect of this scam… Dorothy gave from her heart to a bunch of strangers. I pray we all can recommit to telling the truth to those still caught in this hopeless scam.

@DeAnna – Red Orrin ties? eeks, I must’ve missed that one, I remember green and purple ties in the Oct 2009 major convention – Monavie colours. LOL I also remember thinking to myself “If I have to sit on my arse 8 – 10 hrs a day in some freezing room again, I’m bringing warm socks, sneakers, and sweatsuit – as well as an extra-large coffee!” But then again, I’d be frowned upon by the big richey dudes & dudettes all fancied up as if they’re going to meet the Queen of England! grrrrrrrr……… You should’ve seen all these HEELS! Some were so high it’s a wonder some ladies didn’t end up going to the local emergency dept for treatment of sprained ankles! I remember so clearly one disgusting comment Her Majesty, the Queen Laurie Woodward herself, said how she and Orrin usually didn’t wear the same pair of socks twice or even the same pair of underwear – they chucked them out. Then she said “I know it’s a waste, but we can afford it!” The hippie-environmentalist in me rose up like a roaring lion ready to bite her head off while the calm, placid me sat there with a disgusted look on my face…

And don’t get me started on preying on vulnerable victims! My upline said that I could be off of welfare within MONTHS! Hah. In our team, Team Kaizen, (Claude Hamilton’s team) one of the first thing in showing the plan was to ask the victi…ahem, prospect what their dreams were. Yeah, get us imagining and daydreaming what we’d really like to have. That sets the stage to launch in this “ground-breaking new business opportunity just launched here in Canada” – well, at least it was back in 2009 when I joined up. Another thing I noticed about how to go about convincing people was to subtly guide them to the kitchen table where all the decisions are made and finalised. (Most families sit down at the kitchen table to do their monthly finances, talk to their social workers or insurance agents, etc at the kitchen table, I know I do as well). Then we are told to sell as much as we can once they sign up (ie, starter packs, tickets, get them on system ASAP, that sort of thing) Pushy, pushy. It’s on one of the CDs, I remember hearing it and thinking just how pushy that really is, when you sit back and analyse it all. Of course, I kept it to myself and went with the flow, and that’s simply how we did things. Like a franchaise. We just did things THEIR way. After all, MacDonald’s expected their franchaise owners to do everything to the “T”, right? Anyway, that’s the rebuttal I’d hear often if we asked questions. That and “You have to follow the system!”

Izzy- The infamous red tie – http://www.the-team.biz/tabid/294/ProdID/439/teamtie1.aspx

We left the 2010 winter convention and all the men had on their blue suit, with a white shirt, and a red tie. The women all had the very expensive Team clothes that Lana Hamilton and I think Amy Marks designed. http://www.the-team.biz/tabid/294/ProdID/439/teamtie1.aspx $50 for a jacket and $40 for pants http://www.the-team.biz/tabid/294/ProdID/1476/ladiesloungepant.aspx . Clearly they aren’t shy about making money in whatever way possible. I’m surprised they don’t have team undies.

The dream building always rubbed me wrong. Personally I would prefer to figure out what I want, make a plan and get it. What’s the use of getting all warm and fuzzy about it. (according to personality plus I’m a choleric lol but I guess that’s a little obvious.)

I hated asking people what they wanted out of life when I was showing the plan. it was so misleading. People would open up to me and no matter what dreams they had we were told to say that we have a program for that. We didn’t. There is no program for anything except making Orrin rich.

Nobody that I knew was living their dreams they were just talking about it. It was always after my next plan or just wait until I’m a diamond.

At first I thought that it was just my team or that I was nuts. Glad to see that’s not true.

Yuck, now they took it on a new level – REALLY act, think, and dress the same :-s If this ain’t a freaking cult then I dunno what is http://howcultswork.com I know I may have posted this once before but I’m not sure if many of you have seen it, but this is seriously a type of mind control. I admit it is hard to believe, though, my sponsor was highly educated, owned her own consulting business, and is a teacher. I do remember, however, her believing that her university days were a waste, saying that she wished she learned what she knew now from TEAM in university, university doesn’t teach what TEAM teaches, that sort of thing. I’m freaking sure that universities doesn’t make you wear the head dean’s attire!!!!

The whole “imitate the leader” thing is very common in cults. A uniform (issued at company expense) or a dress code (where employees are just given a list of the style of clothes and can buy them anywhere) is one thing – the “dress like the leader ’cause he’s so awesome” is at the very least a case of cult of personality.

@slimvie, so glad that you are walking away from this cult before you got too brainwashed and drained your bank account. I think that your question might have been rhetorical but, as you know,the main reason they don’t quote scientific evidence is because there is none. All of the real studies show that Monavie contains very little nutritionally (I believe that was 6 small carrots a day). I would invite you to read all of the articles written which will refer you to other sources, and it is quite the eye opener. This will also help you educate others on the topic.

Were you only involved in Monavie for two months or have you just been getting the TEAM stuff for two months? I hope it is the former!

I think that educating ourselves on what to look for with these MLM/cults is so important because it will help us (and our friends and family) not become victimized again. In my view, this is the most despicable form of consumer fraud in existence. You always have a friend or family member that drags you in and when a person so when you “get out” and decide to fight this form of fraud, they become part of the enemy that you are taking up arms against! Either that or that or you choose to fade away because you don’t want to cause a conflict within your “circle” or your family and the reign of consumer terrorism continues.
How sad is it that people who were formerly close family members are being persecuted as “dream killers” or “haters” and are alienated if they speak out against the cult?

It puts a person in a very difficult position when they wise up and leave the cult, and Dallin Larsen, Brig Hart & Orrin Woodward are the masterminds behind the whole hideous psychological manipulation.

I am glad that there are more people speaking out and I hope there will be many more. We CAN fight Monavie and TEAM and our biggest weapon is something that they don’t have, the “truth”.

Wow, I’m really glad I found this site. I have a good friend i haven’t seen in a few years call me up one day and wanted to meet up with me because he was in town, so of course I said yes and was excited about seeing him. We met at a McDonalds (which was ironic after reading some of these posts), and he was with this guy (who was his mentor/leader). I was very disappointed about this because I thought I was going to be catching up with my good friend, when in fact he’s involved in this TEAM crap and was only trying to sell it to me. The whole time this was being pitched to me, I was very suspicious, but I was polite and listened. I can see now (after minimal research) that it is all so scripted it makes me sick, right down to the very word. He left me with a few cds and a book, and I said I’d take a listen and a glance. I’m not going to even open any of it up. Unfortunately I agreed to meet with them again on Monday, and I really don’t want to because I know that even though I’ve made up my mind that they are going to do what it takes to convince me to join. I feel bad for my friend, because I know he’s so brainwashed and he will eventually learn the hard way. I’m afraid I’m going to lose his friendship because I will be put on a guilt trip of not caring etc etc… I tell ya, who ever came up with this scam are sick sick individuals, and I hope they burn in hell for eternity.

@Seth – I urge you strongly to please read and do research NO MATTER what your friend say. They’re taught not to do research and to stay away from negative comments, etc. Also read http://howcultswork.com – it has a section on commercial cults, which is exactly what TEAM is. Remember that it’s okay to say no. If they put a guilt trip on you that is defintitely wrong. I put up with many guilt trips when I was in TEAM.

It’s very unfortunate that you may lose your friend. You may not, either. But many TEAM members do end up losing family and friends, and even end up alienating themselves simply because of what they’re told to do by TEAM leaders.

Your friend sounds like he’s still in what they call the “apprenticeship leg” That means, his sponsor goes with him to “show you the plan” and to get you signed up. This will occur each time until he starts on his “leadership leg” or that means his 2nd leg, then he in turns “trains” his new recruits. Remember that he does not see a cent in commissions until he starts working on his 2nd leg (leadership leg). He’s still “investing” into his business and not getting paid.

I know this sounds harsh, I really do wish you the best in dealing with your friend. I will pray that he will also see the light.

CGC – in TEAM recruiting, decisions are almost never made on the 1st session. In fact, they just give you the materials without further discussion, even on “catching up” kind of thing. The trick is to keep focused on their slimey business plan and the book/CDs will keep it fresh in the mind for the next session. So basically, Seth really hadn’t the opportunity to say he wasn’t interested yet…but I certainly hope he will say “NO!” on that 2nd session!

@Vogel
You gave great advice to Seth.
Your statement “But as long as he’s a bodysnatching Monavie zombie he’ll remain a liability.” That’s just priceless… Very well said.
And sadly, true.

Bryan,

I don’t know anyone who has been successful in any MLM who has been successful in any other area of their life. The people who are Black Diamonds are not doctors, lawyers, and CEOs of companies. In short, these are surely not people who would be successful elsewhere.

As for the first group, pretty much anything “tool” is better than MonaVie since 99.64% of people lose money. You can look at the Income Disclosure Statement, a minimum wage job presents something that they should like better.

As for the second group, remember – It’s Not a Matter of Effort, it’s a Mathematical Certainty. The “lazy people” is an excuse that MLM proponents use so because they can’t admit the system is mathematically broken.

Unfortunately, some 99.999% of people fit into that terrible third group. You don’t have to look to far to see the company itself touting the blue sky and rainbows at conventions.

oops, well, I guess Monavie Scam pretty much laid it out for us, did a much better job than I did :-) We must’ve been posting around the same time :-D

Yep, you nailed it. They are either too unaware to realize that they are being fleeced or they are knowingly doing the fleecing.

Bryan, you are so misinformed. Having been involved with Monavie, the higher ups that I saw were laborers in a former life and were looking for a quick way to make cash because they were NOT “successful” in their lives, and that is applying your definition where success = money. They got in early enough, so yes, they WERE making money with Monavie but only by accident, not design. They got in early enough. Period. In fact, I have never seen a more uneducated & unhealthy group of misfits in my life. Quit acting like they are somehow a cut above the rest of the population because they ain’t.

Admittedly, there were a couple of slick talking sales”people” who had been involved in other MLMs before this one and I honestly didn’t trust them as far as I could throw them. These people were so blatantly manipulative with their sales techniques, I could barely stand being around them and I told my friends who had gotten me in as much. But, it fell on deaf ears because they were all so invested at that point, they could not and would not hear any constructive criticism. That was the beginning of the end for me. I could not believe that people were buying into these snake oil shucksters.

The “motivated” people you refer to in category #1 are people that caught on and figured out that they were involved in a scam. They were only motivated to remove themselves from this poor excuse for a company.

The second half of that “category” refers to people that don’t have the “skill set”. Really? You do get that they tailor the marketing of this entire company to the uneducated masses right? They say you don’t NEED a skill set to sell the juice, you simply need to share it. ANYONE can do it. In fact, post secondary education is frowned upon, except when one of the Black Diamonds spouts off about their degrees when trying to buy credibilty. It is so twisted, it is laughable.

I find your category #2 extremely offensive and you should really be ashamed of yourself. By that definition social workers, police officers, fire fighters & people in the medical profession etc. are lazy. Believe it or not, some people actually ENJOY helping people and work extremely hard in their jobs. 9-5ers are what make the world go round, literally. I think there should be an island where you all could live without any of these services and you could just sell each other juice, vitamins ,soap, crack cocaine..whatever.. and live happily ever after.

But you and I part company in a very fundamental way. Success, in my view, is not measured by money but, if it is, it should be earned by doing something honorable with your life. Selling nutritionally void, fruit punch to your innocent and unsuspecting friends and family in a cult environment rife with religious overtones/chrisitan superiority is so far from my definition of success, that MLM’s will need to create a new dictionary.

MonaVie Scam,

I think I may disagree with you on the “success” topic. If your definition of “successful” is limited to working as a doctor, lawyer, or CEO, I think that’s unfortunate. Doctors, lawyers, and CEOs are often slaves to their work, more so than other professions. I guess I’m speaking of success as more of a quality of life than a paycheck.

About its usefulness as a business tool, something like 95-98% of startup businesses fail. Add the fact that there’s a whole lot of people just buying the stuff for their own consumption, and I’d expect numbers exactly like you’re referring to. I don’t think MonaVie’s some magic business with higher success rates, it’s just a tool like anything else. Maybe less sustainable, but a business tool nonetheless.

I don’t think there’s any rule about having 20 people under you NOT MAKING MONEY in order for you to make anything. As I understand it, your MonaVie “tree” DOES have to keep growing constantly to keep making money, which is what I mean by the “sustainability” comment.

I think the “lazy excuse” definitely has some truth to it. I can’t help but compare it to my own business, which is making websites (please bear with me). I make these websites as effective as possible, give them to the client and charge a fee. Sometimes my clients profit and sometimes they don’t. I’m not running a scam by selling these websites to people who fail to make a return on their investment.

Now if people are being told they’ll automatically make money in MonaVie, then yeah, you have a right to be mad. Mad because you got conned, and mad because you were stupid enough to let it happen :) I just don’t see the point in calling the whole business a scam when you can obviously make money doing it. I’m not siding with sketchy sales reps, I can’t stand those types of people, but to call the whole thing a scam and swear you can’t make money by doing it is incorrect, I’ve seen it happen quite a few times.

Izzy,

Not everyone, but yes I’m calling some people lazy. It’s much easier to call something a scam than it is to try and make it work, it’s just human nature and it’s hard to believe that 100% of the people in this conversation are exceptions.

About the skill set, I totally agree with you. I had a brief experience with MonaVie, went to a meeting or two, but decided I would be terrible at it for the exact reasons you mentioned. Any sales job is this way though. But, skills can be learned if you want to learn them. I just couldn’t see myself enjoying it.

Nothing wrong with a 9-5! Lots of people function better with a 9-5, others are just lazy and settle for one. Neither would probably be good at something entrepreneurial like MonaVie I’d bet.

Jim,

Thanks! And absolutely not, about definition of “success”. My definition would be how happy someone is. Not how happy they THINK they are (people are awesome at settling for less than what makes them happy, then rationalizing it). I realize everyone’s is different. Some people are happiest working hard all day to put food on the table, or working their butts off for crazy amounts of cash, or pursuing different business ideas on their own.

Humiliated,

You guys are putting words in my mouth big time haha. I never said, or even suggested that money = success. I actually lean more toward the opposite view. I think more free time = success, personally… not having to trade the majority of your life to someone to pay the bills.

I didn’t mean to suggest EVERYONE that works a 9-5 is lazy, sorry for the misunderstanding. Some people are honestly happy doing them, but I think the majority of others are just too lazy or scared to try something else.

I guess my main point is that I think people should stop dwelling on it, it isn’t helping you. If you want to make MonaVie work, you can. If you want to play the victim and make it out to be a scam and write about it on a website, you can do that too. Some people view capitalism as a scam too… Something like 1% of the people make 95% of the money. It’s sort of how everything works, isn’t it?

Hey Bryan, thanks for coming back to defend your comments, while I don’t agree with many of your opinions, I respect the courage to continue the conversation.

I believe the main problem you may be having is you have not conducted enough due dillegence. Please continue reading on this site to fully understand what the Mona vie business is really all about, or at least what every indication points to.

Regarding your comment “I don’t think there’s any rule about having 20 people under you NOT MAKING MONEY in order for you to make anything.” Please read the link Monavie Scam directed you to, this is where the reference came from:
http://www.juicescam.com/its-not-a-matter-of-effort-its-a-mathematical-certainty/

I’d be interested in your thoughts regarding this as I wrote it and I want it to be as accurate as possible, I am open to correction.

I would also like to point you to a couple other articles regarding this company and MLM in general which I think might help you understand the scheme better:
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4086
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4176

The point is these schemes are mathematical certainties for massive losses. The product is irrelevant. The medical claims are dangerous.

Continue your research, I’d be interested in your comments as you learn more.

thanks

Yes you can make money in it but you can also make money selling cocaine. Many use drug dealing as just another business tool. Is that right too?

Monavie is a scam because they blatantly lie about the value of the product. I won’t waste my time outlining the details. Just read many of the articles here and on the lazy man site.

I kinda understand what you mean about the lazy thing. I’ve seen people in many businesses not just MLMs that expected dollars to fall into their lap simply because they are associated with it. It doesn’t work like that.

What I’ve also seen is a lot of people who spent thousands of dollars, followed all the instructions, and put every single ounce of energy they had into Monavie. They still failed. They might have made a little money but it was no where near enough to break even.Then there are the tools… Monavie handles the product. TEAM handles the meetings and all the tools. That’s where the real money is made. TEAM and Monavie are two different companies but they are the same type of evil.

The majority of people will always have to lose in order for you to win. I’ve never seen anyone who has made more than a few dollars in Monavie without quite a few people below them not profiting at all no matter how hard they try.

I agree wholeheartedly with MegaVie. Monavie is not entrepreneurial. No self respecting entrepreneur that I know would work their butts off to maybe get a check at the end of the week. You sell another person’s product and they pay you a commission. It’s a sales job plain and simple. You don’t own the product. At the end of the day if Monavie went away and you were getting paid that would be the end of it. Entrepreneurs don’t let others control their money.

Bryan states “I guess I’m speaking of success as more of a quality of life than a paycheck.”

We’re not guessing when we define success as not just a quality of life, but attaining a quality of life in a moral and ethical manner – rather than by the size of the paycheck.

Bryan states “About its usefulness as a business tool, something like 95-98% of startup businesses fail.“

Hmmm…sounds to me like you’re the tool!

We’re not interested in your useless guess-timates, were only interested in some good old fashioned FACTS.

Consider the statistics of traditional business and the fact that during the course of 2005 bankruptcies represented LESS than 7% of the total closures during that year, 3.3% in 2006, 4.8% in 2007, 6.6% in 2008 and 9.2% in 2009.

The statistics also confirm that 70% of new businesses survive the first 2 years of operation, 50% of new businesses survive at least 5 years, 34% last greater than a decade AND 26% continue 15 years or more.
http://web.sba.gov/faqs/faqindex.cfm?areaID=24

These facts are a far cry from the statistics seen in Monavie where greater than 99% of the total sales force are unable to make a success of the venture and where it’s been estimated that nearly 70 – 80% or greater drop out within the first year. That is, when they realize the venture is as bogus as the figures that you’re quoting now.

Bryan states “Add the fact that there’s a whole lot of people just buying the stuff for their own consumption, and I’d expect numbers exactly like you’re referring to.”

Add to that that Monavie STILL able to manipulate the figures in the IDS by including only “active” distributors and limiting the period of the IDS are (or should I say “were” considering no IDS has been released since 2009).

Why don’t we add to that the distributors who dropped out after having made genuine attempts but were unable to succeed due to an inability to afford the autoship, an inability to find any customers or namely, recruit other distributors – as is the primary activity of anyone associated with the scheme? Or what about those who did not qualify for commissions due to reasons that didn’t include a lack of effort?

Should we add to that every single distributor who signed a distributorship agreement and paid the applicable fee, every single distributor irrespective of whether they qualified for commissions or not or every single distributor who dropped out, we would most certainly expect that the already astounding failure rate would be even higher.

Monavie distributors do little but by the products for their own self consumption – they’re not selling and IF they do, there’s very little room for profit.

Bryan states “but I don’t think MonaVie’s some magic business with higher success rates, it’s just a tool like anything else. Maybe less sustainable, but a business tool nonetheless.”

Thanks for the lack of information, Bryan. But we already know it’s not a business with higher success rates.

And it’s most certainly not a tool either – it’s a PYRAMID scam which as you’ve suggested is entirely unsustainable and where it’s characterised by higher LOSS rates than any other business venture, which is why it’s considered a FRAUD.

Bryan “I don’t think there’s any rule about having 20 people under you NOT MAKING MONEY in order for you to make anything.”

Don’t think Bryan – the logic and the math behind this fact has already been demonstrated for you.

Since Monavie distributors are not in the business of selling fruit juice, they’re in the business of selling distributorships. With little to no retail selling going on and distributors recruiting other distributors in the hope of recouping their investments, the pyramid math comes into play. In order for people engaged in a pyramid scheme to make money, it is done at the expense of those who they recruit and for every 1% who are making money, it’s directly off the backs of the remaining 99% who are losing.

Bryan states “As I understand it, your MonaVie “tree” DOES have to keep growing constantly to keep making money, which is what I mean by the “sustainability” comment.”

It’s not a tree. It’s a pyramid. Or a three dimensional triangle if you wish also!

And in order for that 1% to continue to making money, they have to continue recruiting other distributors who are both dropping out and those who don’t have the sense to drop out and continue losing. There’s nothing sustainable about pyramid schemes and nothing sustainable about Monavie.

Bryan state “I’m not running a scam by selling these websites to people who fail to make a return on their investment.”

But you ARE running a scam if you’re making illegal health claims in order to sell a grossly overpriced, nutritionally void and chemically preserved fruit punch and where you’re pitching a MLM/pyramid scam as a means of financial freedom and as an opportunity but fail to disclose the fact that your “investment” is a FRAUD to any unsuspecting consumer.

Bryan dribbles further “Mad because you got conned, and mad because you were stupid enough to let it happen :-) I just don’t see the point in calling the whole business a scam when you can obviously make money doing it.”

I would’ve been tempted to slap that smile off your face when you were typing that statement!

Fortunately the law obviously doesn’t condone making money by defrauding others and doesn’t agree with your complacency regarding consumer fraud.

Bryan states “ I’m not siding with sketchy sales reps”

I would suggest that you ARE one.

Bryan states “Not everyone, but yes I’m calling some people lazy.”

As already stated, your assertion is entirely offensive. The conclusion you’ve come to is based on ignorance and perhaps even a lack of desire to be truly informed – just like many of Monavie’s sales force who are deluded enough to believe they’ll be the less than half a percent of those elite scammers bringing in the big bucks.

Bryan state “You guys are putting words in my mouth big time haha.”

No, we’re trying to stem the flow of misinformation and CRAP coming from your mouth. Big time.

Bryan states “I guess my main point is that I think people should stop dwelling on it, it isn’t helping you….”

Let me think about that piece of advice…NO.

Of course it’s not helping us, it’s not helping anyone – it’s doing harm to people both financially, their quality of life and their relationships.

That’s why we refuse to be silenced and why our voices may help prevent another victim instead of listening to someone as full of misinformation as you.

Bryan FINALLY concludes (thank goodness!) “Something like 1% of the people make 95% of the money. It’s sort of how everything works, isn’t it?”

Bryan, did you go to work today but leave in further debt as result?

That stupid statement is the icing on the cake of an entirely stupid post!

All fear and fluff!!! Not one mention of the product outside if it indirectly curing cancer.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=756055815976

i was wondering if that thing was real or not….

The comments praising them scared me more than those 2 themselves…

Thats a great videos, I think thaT Jim and Tammy Faye BakeR have bee reborn as Dallin and Karree Larsen!!!

No one is talking about how life isn’t fair or that things should be equal. Clearly you aren’t reading the article and the comments being made.

What does hard work have to do with being a distributor of MonaVie? An inanimate store shelf does distributors job much more effectively. As John Wooten said, “Never mistake activity for achievement.” Don’t confuse the activity of building a pyramid scheme with an achievement.

I answer the question of why the regulation departments haven’t stopped them on the JuiceScam home page. Scroll down towards the bottom: http://www.juicescam.com/.

There’s probably a reason for the victim mentality going on at this page – they have been victims of a Juice Scam. Thanks for being so observant Blake.

You make a point about being force/coercion. Orrin Woodward did this as well. Unfortunately it was a crazy rant that I debunked well here: Orrin Woodward, Scams, MonaVie, Team, and Lies… Oh My!. There’s no need to repeat the arguments here again.

Blake new distributors are the rats that fuel the MonaVie machine. They are not being told that. It is their extremely overpriced autoship money that goes to funding the Black Diamonds. (By the way that’s why MonaVie can’t make everyone Black Diamonds – pyramid schemes require the pyramid structure).

Orrin Woodward is a slick-talking, con-man. You believe them, because you’ve been conned.

We need a “how Orrin Woodward scams and deceives” article to post on.

As you know Orrin Woodward, Tim Marks, Jim Martin, and Chris Brady, have all left the Flint area and have disbursed themselves throughout the US. Even though they have left the area their tactics are still the same. In the mid 2000′s Orrin Woodward found a church that had about 250 people in it and to him those people were just easy prey for him and his leaders to scam. While most people with any brains at all see Orrin and the TEAM for what they truly are, somehow there are still a handful of people who are blinded by their leadership scam and the dream of becoming rich. Now that Orrin has saturated this area and now that people have started calling him out for his scam he has packed up and left for Palm City Florida. Why is this relevant? Because his tactics are the same!!! New city and new church same ole scam artist. Orrin has been at this church for only months now and the new pastor has already been sucked into his money driven scam. Orrin Woodward is speaking at a conference Feb 25-26th called the CrossLife Conference: http://crosschurch.net/crosslife-conference-who-do-you-say-that-i-am/ He is one of five speakers. His topic to speak on is “He (God not Orrin) is the light of the world”. This church needs to be warned ASAP about what Orrin Woodward is really all about!!!! He will get his foot in the door and show people how awesome it is to be as rich as he is like only a narcissistic ego maniac could. He will work that church over like he did to the other one and then move on once the people realize what he is all about leaving them broke and with a garage full of product. These people at the new church have no idea what is getting ready to happen to them!!

What can we do to help this church?

Knowing Tim Marks, Jim Martin, and Chris Brady I doubt that they even go to church now but if they do I want to find those churches and warn them as well.

We need dateline to do something like this on Monavie!!! How awesome would that be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot31XhgE_XE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgnvMfDu47c&feature=related

For those following this thread:

I’ve updated Team Scam with a new theme and a link at the top to submit an article. Don’t be shy if you can’t write, I’ll be an editor (just give me some time). Everyone can share their experience – its as easy as leaving a comment here.

All I know is that I had a co-worker approach me the other day, and speak for 15 minutes about TEAM and MonaVie. At the end of the conversation I still wasn’t clear on what I would have to do if I became a part of this, or what she did to make all this extra money. She used words I didn’t understand, and when I asked her to clarify she seemed unable or unwilling to do so.

Still interested, I came home and google seared TEAM. The website gives almost no information, I’m still not sure what these people DO. It’s probably outlined above and that’s fine, but I only had to read this article and the first 15 comments to get what my gut had told me initially. I have friends who got involved with FHTM, a pyramid type scam, and they spent over $300 to make money. Does this make sense to you?

I’m VERY glad that I noticed this link directly under the TEAM website on Google, otherwise I may have agreed to go to a “meeting” and found myself either in an awkward situation, or worse- suckered into buying in.

Whoa, spread the word around to everyone at your work. This scam ruins peoples lives!!! Congrats on not getting sucked in. Also, don’t be surprised if your co-worker treats you like garbage now. Stay strong and good luck.

Found this video over on Amthrax. This is what every new person looking at Team needs to watch before getting involved. LMAO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALhJFTsGimA

Humorous video done about Orrin Woodward, TEAM and MonaVie.

http://amthrax.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/humor-orrin-woodward-team-video/

If it’s any consolation, you’re not crazy for noticing that it’s a scam.

@Jackson – There are a lot of ex-TEAM members who have been posting on my site (click on my name to go there). Read what they have to say, and you will see that their experiences mirror your own.

Hey Jackson,

Glad to see you’ve seen the light. Most of the TEAM people actually either don’t know about this site, or it’s “too negative” so it doesn’t exist in their world.

The “we encourage you to look online!” is actually just a script to lull you into a false sense of security; they hope you actually won’t look. Or maybe they hope you will because they themselves haven’t looked.

In any case, glad you came across this site. Hope to see you back on the light side :P

I forgot to mention that he said he would follow chris and orrin to the end of the earth

Well said Aussie. I also note that they tell the distributors to have their CHILDREN create dream boards. It is clear that they do this because mommy and daddy are spending FAR less time with their children so this is some f*cked up way for parents to compensate for that. My guess is that the number 1 dream is, “have my mommy and daddy” back & number 2, “do stuff with mommy and daddy again, without MONAVIE”. This is wrong on so many levels but the fact that the “leaders” at Monavie are even getting into teaching “parenting” techniques is just plain sick. It is simply a way to con the parents into keeping their “eye on the ball (or the juice, as it were) so they can continue to be financially raped in order to line the pockets of Hart, Larsen & Woodward.

Jackson, you said something VERY compelling and true, leaders should lead and not follow. Every single person in TEAM “follows” Orrin. They are not grooming leaders, they are grooming fanatical followers (aka suckers).

The fact that they use your unshakeable faith in religion to continue to lure & guilt you is simply the work of a sociopath, that is the “sinister” part that you are feeling. Orrin Woodward is a man with no conscience, he steals from his own people (read the Amthrax site, you will see how he takes whatever profits he wants, when he wants). I really had no idea what this man was about because I didn’t have any involvement with TEAM when I was in MonaVie, but the more I read about him, the more I think that he needs to be in jail, or an institution.

All commercial cults have to have leaders and people that follow these leaders, that is the ONLY “system” that exists within TEAM or MonaVie. I wish more people would wake up and “unplug” themselves from this corruption. Good job Jackson!

I like the term commericial cult, it is a good way to explain how MonaVie is a “cult” when it is not primarily based on religion. I googled it and found this site:

http://www.aibi.ph/cults/cult3.htm

Its warning points pretty much describe MonaVie to a T. The entire article is like a big red arrow pointing at the way MonaVie operates.

Ok, so my ex is still attending meetings and working towards POWER PLAYER and Black Diamond..as he used to say…well long story short i’m now friends with a girl he was using, to get her to become a part of TEAM. Well he got her shes in and I expressed my opinion to her about how it affected our relationship because I was ANTI TEAM…
So this is just an update from her about how her last meeting went….

Went to a meeting last week and G***** was talking about sacrificing family time and church for a short time for the business. kinda got into it with him. what if your family is no longer living by that point! uhhh he’s so stupid, i’m not going back! n J***** just bought right into it, agreeing with him all the way….saying god will understand. BS

That was from her, I took names out to respect their privacy… its just amazing how my ex would preach, about how I’m trading time for money and I have no time for my kids…REALLY? I work 8-5, weekends off..make a great living and spend my time off with them…He however was always on the go, in meetings till 11:30 PM at times, every tuesday, and Friday..REALLY FRIDAY…wow, and was always going out of town for this and that seminar..Also mens leadership night which speaks on how to be a better partner…well how if your never around and always on the go trying to recruit people…Not to mention the Conference Call they had at 10:30 on Valentines Night…haha. WOW, they really test ones dedication… Once they realized I was never going to be a part of TEAM It was pretty much the end of us…that and me finding out about the girl he was hanging out with while my mom was on her death bed and he had to run out to a meeting cause she was going to join that night!

While I can appreciate a person being skeptical or thinking that this product and the TEAM approach is a scam……..you only attended one meeting. I personally do not belong to TEAM or sell or buy Monavie. But, I know people who do.
You are missing some of the other important factors to this TEAM……. the teaching about finance, relationships, family, etc. and yes, the people i know are attending church more than they did before. i am not saying the product itself is a miracle cure. is anything??? if you continue to be on a path of desctruction with what you eat and drink – what is going to completely be able to reverse that abuse.
i am just stating, don’t totally discredit everything about it. there are some very GOOD things happening and available to people who want to learn.

Comment 255, Thanks for replying with a quickness and so nicely.

Elizabeth, this isnt about attending one meeting and forming an opinion. Read the comments above. This is about how Team has negatively impacted several lives and continues to lure people in. I had dinner with one of the leaders, and when we got back to her house my boyfriend at the time was dumb founded by the fact that she didnt get me to sign up. I told him after asking me several question she knew I wasnt the weak minded kind of person that was going to go for this gig. Really, if you need to pay some one to tell you to go to church, how to treat the people you love, what to eat and drink and how to manage your finances then maybe this kinda thing is good for you. But dont try and drag other people into it. Every book they recommend you can download to your kindle or purchase at a book store. If you truly believe they are out to help people then have one of your buddies ask to be taken of auto ship and stop recruiting for team and see just how long they keep their homes open to them. I am a very open minded person but I saw first hand how this TEAM will change ones priorities and ruin their lives.

ElizabethR I present you Forbes’ opinion (a far more credible authority than the people you “know”, no doubt) who state

“Team is one step ahead of all these juice selling schemes. It is a pyramid atop a pyramid. It is selling motivational aids to help MonaVie vendors move the juice. But wait. If you can’t earn back the $258 you’ve spent on the motivational lectures by selling $39 juice bottles, you could earn it back in another way–getting people to buy $258 motivational lectures. If you’re good, you flog the lectures to other people, who sell them to yet others. Everybody gets rich. Everybody, that is, except the last round of buyers. That’s the theory, anyway. The reality is that a mere 1% of Team members make any money from involvement with the firm.”
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2008/0811/050.html

Couldn’t have said it any better myself.

I have been out of work now for 10 months. I have been on several interviews with nothing coming from it. My sister has 3 kids all under the age of seven. They are in debt up to their ceiling and they are living off from $25,000 a year for 5 people.

She is roped in to this Scam Monavie. She says that she is sitting on a gold mind and she is asking for people to come along and start taking gold from her.

Now I thought that I would listen to what she had to say. Her and her sister came over to my house and tried explaining a bunch of charts to me and I was so confused that I didn’t know what they were talking about. So they asked me and my boy friend to come to a meeting on a tuesday night. I told them that I can’t come because I have school Mondays and Weds and my boy friend plays hockey on Tuesday nights and I do homework on tuesdays.

They told me that since they started with this company that they don’t do things anymore that are going to help them make money. Plus they tried telling me that my boyfriend would never make enough money to live happily.

I think this company prays on the hopes of people who are poor in hopes of promising them something that is never going to happen.

I plus I got a job now where I don’t have to worry about selling anything and I get a steady pay check. Plus my boyfriend works for a major pop company and makes enough where we can live comfy.

I think this company needs to be broken down.

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April 3, 2011 12:36 pm
MLM Punisher said:
“I can tell that we are dealing with people who have spent years doing this! I would imagine a new guy reading this would be….huh? LOL!”

[This is my second comment.]
As I say, I certainly did say “huh?” at first. This wasn’t because the concepts are so deep; it’s because the MLM world apparently constantly generates new jargon to describe the same old scams, er . . . business models. Therefore, my 2 cents on the matter is that all of you who are clearing away the smoke and mirrors are doing a service. Obviously you feel the same, but in case it reassures any of you of it, let me offer encouragement from the outside! It’s a good thing for you to bring light to these dark corners, so keep telling what you know!

If you’d like to make it easier for outsiders to understand your experiences (and I get it that there are certainly other important reasons to be blogging about this!), you might consider putting together a glossary of the terms that MLM insiders are used to. That would help anyone who wants to look beyond the surface – though, trust me, the gist is enough, any way!

. . . I can’t resist adding: Wow! While it took me about 5 minutes to recognize the scam(s), I never imagined what you all describe here (and elsewhere) so well – the immensity, the sickness – which became clear when I bothered to look beyond those first 5 minutes.

If you want to follow this thread on AMTHRAX site that this came from, it is under the “Sling, Squeeze, Side Action” post; (a method the Team/Orrin Woodward) uses called “TEAM APPROACH.” They think it is a secret~not any more, LOL

To be honest…you all need to get some lives. I really mean that. This is the first time I hit this site and I find it totally funny. Some of these people have nothing else better to do.

Who cares really? we are all responsible for our own actions. God gave us our own will. So if they want to join then so be it! If you think its too expensive dont buy it… if you think its a scam dont do the biz.

Its like you have all nothing else better to do and sit on your po po all day long and rant on other people out there. I am pretty sure that more than half of you here that rant and rant were in MonaVie and never made it and gave up. A quitter never wins people never!
One more point to make out..
Here is what I see… there are thousands if not more people looking at MonaVie as a business. So what do people do when they look for something.. they research.. that leads thousands of people to this site… the guy or gal that created this site is not stupid at all in fact very intelligent.. He or she sits and laughs at you all while making the doe….

Trafficing a lot of people= MONEY

Lets see if this gets posted

Frankie,

I hope you are happy with the posting of your comment.

What do you find funny about this site? Is it comment #163 that begins with “So here I am…husbandless! He wanted the business so bad because they cheered him on as he dummped all our money into it. He failed to pay the mortgage and used the money to buy his way up.” That’s really a hoot, isn’t it?

We are responsible for our own actions. However, you seem to forget that there’s thing called consumer protection. You should read up on it at that link. In fact, we even have a whole Bureau of Consumer Protection. Just because people have free will, it doesn’t give companies the legal right to commit fraud, which this website has shown MonaVie has done time and time again.

Frankie said, “I am pretty sure that more than half of you here that rant and rant were in MonaVie and never made it and gave up. A quitter never wins people never!”

If the business is a fraudulent one, as I’ve pointing out on this site, quitting is the smartest thing you can do. You want to encourage bank robbers to quit robbing banks, right? It’s a good thing that scammers quit scamming. Only a negative individual would advocate keeping people in fraudulent businesses.

I don’t make much money from this site. One hour of work at my contract rate is worth more than I make from this site in a month. I assure you that I spend a lot more time than one hour here a month. I create this site so that people can research the company and get an unbiased view. MonaVie and their distributor network just gives you their view, because they want people’s money. I make this information available to all people for free.

Let’s see Team make all their tools available in digital form for free. There’s a challenge for you.

@ Frankie, it did get posted

“Its like you have all nothing else better to do and sit on your po po all day long and rant on other people out there.”

How nice of you to read all of our posts and TAKE THE TIME TO Express yourself…and contradict yourself..in your own words…

“To be honest…you all need to get some lives. I really mean that”

its called a discussion board you idiot…and we express our opinions on the topic..just as you did…if you’re so damn busy move the hell on with your lame post…

Frankie must be an executive double black hawaiian blue diamond with unlimited residual income and ultimate free time with his family….all while his business is booming and growing incredibly and with minimal effort. I salute you Frankie, which cd should I listen to so that I can get a life?

Frankie says; “To be honest…you all need to get some lives. I really mean that. This is the first time I hit this site and I find it totally funny. Some of these people have nothing else better to do.”
Frankie first you really do need to be honest with yourself. It is obvious that you don’t find this ‘funny’ or you wouldn’t be on here criticizing others and telling them they need to get ‘some lives.’ What do you know about the people on here and what they do with their lives? You yourself came on here?
Should you be criticizing, condemning or complaining?
Your statement of ‘who really cares’ should be obvious to you if you were being honest with yourself.
I can honestly say that I do care about other people and you say ‘if they want to join, then so be it’ but being deceived, lied to, stolen from false promises and many other things that you yourself aren’t even aware of does not fit the ‘they want to’ because when they join they don’t have a clue they were tricked with the deceptive practices and false promises. That usually doesn’t come until way after you are financially broke or have been lied to, stolen from and betrayed.
Your statement; “A quitter never wins people never!” Comes directly from what has been said to you a million times, and you have fallen for it. If you were being abused, lied to, and cheated on, and you decided to QUIT being abused, lied to and cheated on, would you then believe you wouldn’t have won?
I really don’t understand your remark on ‘juicescam’ making money off this site, it is obvious to most that the ‘guy or gal’ has devoted some serious time into providing some accurate information as stated that is for consumer protection reasons and has been upfront on making some money.
My point is I thought people plugged into the Team system are about Have Fun, Make Money, and Making a Difference? You are on the Team aren’t you? I could tell by your statement.
Did you know there is millions of dollars being made off the system, probably not because you wouldn’t be making any? Only a FEW do, and the ones that do wouldn’t show up on these sites to comment, unless of course they had a specific intent but they generally send their pawns to do that, unless the site was about their specific system.

Well, Frankie we were a part of that system for over a decade, I will assure you, IT IS ABOUT THE MONEY and they are NOT upfront and can take it away from you anytime they choose. So for your own sake, figure out what you are really apart of and be careful of what you defend because we defended the same way you do, and it will cost you way more than money when you do figure it out.

First Vogel has a very powerfull pee!
Second You don’t understand, means you don’t understand.

The whole point of the 2 hour meating IS to get your attention on money oportunity. Business only and for some people HEALTH.

I’ll use the author’s point of view to ilustrate. I dont have a degree in physics, but im pretty sure that ever you that have two degrees can’t teach me, or any living beein in 2 hours, or even in a day, or a week from 0 how the physics work, inside out.

The point of the meeting IS to get people attention on a business oportunity. IF, and if ONLY they what to know more about it, We’ll tell morea bout it. IF, again, only IF, they sign up they will learn what to do and when to do and what to tell.

Like science, medicine, PHYSICS, and lots of subjects, people thing different, and ACT different. The main idea of Monavie was to make everyone tell aways the same thing, but in fact that doesn’t happens. People desagree in anyplace, and thing different in anypalce. Because some guy made a load of money, and now he is there up front telling what to do doesn’t mean that he is right and his intell if awsome. NO it doens’t. He says that he even knows whats orac, so what? he did money, worked for him, thats his point. he’s righ to his point of views, and my guess is that he isn’t wrong at all. screw if he doen’s know how to math tomatoes, but the point of the meeting it to inform about business. if you like it, you like it. loads of grown up kids here, needings parents to take care of them ahn? c’mon people, thing for yourselves. decide for your own mind for once. you dont need a website to tell you that monavie is awesome nor one to thell how much lame it is. decide for yourself, after you see it all, IF you WANT to see it al ALL. End of it. be smart.

André Degaspery – brazil
PS. yes, there’s cancer in brazil, and no, theres no where in the world cancer free. its just like that, suck it. think for yourselves.

@Speak your truth…. YES YOUR RIGHT THATS WHAT WAS ALWAYS SAID TO ME A QUITTER NEVER WINS!! Go to the US MARINES and maybe you would understand… so please do not give me that nonsense.
you said “My point is I thought people plugged into the Team system are about Have Fun, Make Money, and Making a Difference? You are on the Team aren’t you? I could tell by your statement.”

I have nothing to do with “TEAM” so you need to check your “TELLING”

@ Vogel meaning that your name means BIRD is german you should know Mr Wiseass(chemical crap) that po po is a slang for ass in german. being that I am stationed here in germany at the moment i know that. I was trying to not to cuss in the site but it looks like I hit a sweat spot there huh BIRD?

So to everyone else here my fun is over… I do not have the time to rant… be my guest rant all you want. If it makes you all feel better! But one last note:

Some of you here need to really see what Network Marketing is…
people come in thinking its a lotto ..its NOT!
Its like every other profession: you need to learn!! Problem is people are too busy dreaming to get successful and doing all that inspirational stuff but dont do the DO!!!!!! (Motivation and Inspiration is important… there are always obstacles but people are not going to fall from the sky in your team!)

And whats that about a husband buying his way up!! Apparently he didn’t take the time to look at the Marketing Plan????? What did he think that he hits a level and then stays qualified at that level?????… WOW

It has nothing to do with MonaVie …it doesnt matter what MLM your in, unless its a illegal scheme…

you have to learn the right skills and when you can not learn it from your “upline” go higher up !!!
Excuses Excuses!

Have fun trying to shut down MonaVie;) It looks like your wasting your time here
Frankie

4 YEARS OF SERVING YOU!!!!!YOU TALK ABOUT FALSE PRIDE??
You know people like me and they make you sick that is? You are the selfish piece of S%$T.. the people like me are out there making the country you live in SAFE… you do not know a thing about me.

I have enough to back my statements up.. A QUITTER NEVER WINS NEVER!!!!!

Andre,

What are you babbling about anthrax for? Are you confusing it for the website of Amthrax, which is completely unrelated to anthrax?

@ Frankie! Yes, thats me selfish..ha!

Being a Marine doesnt exclude you from being everything I mentioned in my previous message. My father was a marine and is the biggest Piece I know..so continue to serve but your word on here means nothing, you dont even know what you’re talking about.

PS I thought your fun on here was over…I’m just saying …… :/ in your own words MARINE!!! So to everyone else here my fun is over… I do not have the time to rant… be my guest rant all you want. If it makes you all feel better! But one last note:

Well said MonaVie Scam! If there was a like button I’d hit it!! :-)

Andre is referring to the original article in which the speaker at the TEAM meeting claimed that MonaVie cured anthrax in cattle, and that there is no cancer in Brazil due to the acai berry. However Andre misses the point entirely. I can’t speak for everyone, but I’m fairly certain that the majority of people on this site are not panicked and scared of anthrax. We also do not believe that it can be cured with fruit juice.

Andre wrote, “Lets see if this gets posted.”

Why assume it wouldn’t when there are clearly all kinds of views posted here? Try going to any official MV, Team, Orrin or Brig website and posting a polite but contradictory viewpoint. I guarantee you it won’t stay up for long. That’s just another sign that this company is crooked and its leaders are manipulative con artists.

I am amazed at the random psychosis (Andre) that pops up on this site out of nowhere. Things will be quiet for a few days and then like a bat out of hell someone barges in here on some straight craziness.

Frankie, you don’t win arguments by bringing up your military service. If you have a good argument you shouldn’t need to make an appeal to emotion like that.

You are trying to shut the argument down by making it appear as though if one of us challenges what you say, we are a military hating traitor who bashes on troops, and that is definitely not the case. It’s dishonest and you should know better.

That being said, I have met people who served who think MonaVie is a scam. Would you yell “I SERVED DAMMIT!” to them too?

Bring some good evidence to the table instead yelling and hot-headed belligerence.

Say frankie, I figured you would be too busy to come back and comment. I am also on the outside looking in, I have not tried team or monavie myself but I find this site to be informative as I have a brother who has been building the business for two years and never sees his kids or wife. Its important to hear and read what type of experiences others have had.. and if the blog owner is making so much money off traffic, u realize you are adding to it right? Certainly you’re not gonna QUIT and back out of the discussion are you?

Frankie, I can only speak for myself, but I’ll tell you why I comment here… I comment here for you. I want to help YOU Frankie, and all others who unwittingly fell for this scheme. Of course I’m making the assumption that you do in fact not believe Mona vie to be a product based pyramid scheme. If you’ve never heard the term “product based pyramid scheme”, look it up, they’re all alike.

If I may, let me ask you a few questions. Do you believe the drink Mona vie provides any extrodinary benefits beyond normal fruit juices? If so what makes you believe this?

Was it explained to you that no matter what system you use, no matter how hard you try, 95% of the distributors in the scheme must lose money? If you were not aware of this, I would like your thoughts on the article here entitled “it’s not a matter of effort, it’s a mathematical certainty”.

I want to help YOU, my friend, realize what you are doing everytime you show the plan to anyone you care about or have any degree of respect for. While I have no financial gain from posting here, whatever JuiceScam makes from these sites, I find it hard to believe it is even close to adequate for the value recieved.

I hope to hear back from you.

Thanks

Frankie states “again here is my arguement…. WHO CARES”

And a quality argument that is! Not.

For your ongoing lack of information, there is an abundance of factual information available on this site which PROVES that Monavie is a thinly veiled pyramid scheme for which the products are merely the means to disguise the underlying pyramid scam – Monavie distributors are not in the business of selling the juice or weight loss products, they’re in the business of selling the opportunity.

Pyramid schemes are a form of fraud and are illegal – they are accompanied by the pyramid math which predetermines in the vicinity of 99% of participants or greater to LOSE.

Monavie’s income disclosure is evidence of the pyramid math – 99.64% of distributors are losing money as a direct result of having had the underlying pyramid business concealed from them as at the time of signing up and instead fraudulently being promoted as a means of attaining “financial freedom”.

To consider the extent of the fraud that is Monavie, you only have to consider the 710,569 distributors in the lowest ranks where no profits were made during the period of the 2009 IDS and those who did not qualify for commissions – these distributors made up 99.64% of the entire sales force.

If each of these distributors invested a mere $500.00 in the single year, this would equate to $355,284,500.00 DEFAUDED from these members of our community, many of which who are already in financial difficulty, and instead lacing the pockets of the major pyramid hustlers such as Dallin Larceny and his cronies, Brig Hart, Orrin Woodward and TEAM.

And speaking of players such as Brig Hart, Orrin Woodward and TEAM, these people and groups represent the scam within the scam – selling motivational tools to ill-formed and greed driven distributors such as YOU which is clearly far more lucrative than selling any fruit juice would ever be.

Lets also not elude to the fact that Monavie products are grossly overpriced – but this does not represent value for the consumer (lest we forget Monavie is nothing more than a processed, chemically preserved fruit punch lacking in any real nutrition), but rather because of the inflated compensation plan the cost has to support.

In order to justify the exorbitant price, there is a multitude of evidence which PROVES that distributors are making illegal and fraudulent health claims in promotion of same and in their attempts to lure people into the scheme – misleading claims which if believed could potentially have a devastating impact on the people who can least afford it. Namely, the SICK.

Frankie, you entered the discussion with an obvious inability to not only present facts which despute the arguments which have been made – but an inability to refute a single one of them. You offer an opinion which does not even rate in terms of consideration.

You aren’t providing solutions, you are part of the PROBLEM.

How about you tell your victims…that is, prospects the TRUTH about the products from the onset, why they cost as much as they do, that they have no benefit on a person’s health, that the underlying business isn’t selling juice but rather distributors (that is, you’re in the business of pyramiding) and that 99.64% of the sales force are losing money.

Give the above FACTS to the consumer from the onset so that they can make a truly informed decision about signing up and then no-one will have room to question the validity of the argument about people doing as they “choose”. True freedom of choice should be accompanied by the the TRUTH.

However, given scammers such yourself are likely to ever inform your prospects of the truth, this site is offering victims and potential victims of this fraud the means to make truly informed decisions.

MonavieScam, maybe Frankie has a point here – WHO CARES if complete a$$holes like him are getting scammed. Hmmm…

Frankie-
Please tell me what they mean by people starting their “own business” for such a small fee.
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“You’d be crazy/dumb not to jump on that deal!”

Sound familiar Frankie?

Dawn (regarding MonaVie’s BBB Rating),

At the time of publishing the article, MonaVie’s BBB rating was D-. It was for the corporate company, not a specific distributor. It was rated long before September 2010, but at that time, MonaVie paid a fee to the BBB to be an accredited company.

You can read a lot more about that here: http://www.juicescam.com/monavies-d-better-business-bureau-rating/. Please leave discussion about MonaVie and the BBB on the relevant post.

It’s sad that we can’t even go by BBB ratings for MLM schemes anymore, maybe there should be some stricter guidelines on how a business is rated. The people are rating, but it’s mostly active distributors that are rating the juice up in hopes to keep it up at A+

I have this visual image of Frankie taking MonaVie shots and punching holes in his wall while listening to TEAM CDs.

People like Frankie are quite common here, they drift in and then leave just as quickly. If you haven’t checked out the Beatrice comments, there is a load of laughs in store for you there.

Frankie is just a macho tough guy who is too arrogant to realize that the people he is yelling at are the ones trying to help him.

Not to beat a dead horse here, but let’s rephrase what Franke said a bit:

“wasnt trying to win anything you idiot?????? again here is my arguement…. WHO CARES

To be honest…you all need to get some lives. I really mean that. This is the first time I hit this site and I find it totally funny. Some of these people have nothing else better to do.

(Never mind the fact that I am the one raging like some kind of high school jock who just got his lunch tray tipped over)

Who cares really? we are all responsible for our own actions. God gave us our own will. So if you want to be a thief do it! If you think its immoral don’t steal… if you think its wrong dont steal from people who you fooled by making them thinking they will be rich by giving you money.

Its like you have all nothing else better to do and sit on your po po all day long and rant on all the white-collar thieves out there. I am pretty sure that more than half of you here that rant and rant were thieves and never stole enough and gave up or got remorseful.

A quitter never wins people never!”

I really like the little conspiracy theory about JS making loads of money off this site. I definitely remember JS inviting me to a “Juicescam meeting” and then promising me loads of money if I comment here. And Vogel sold me some TOOLS that helps me comment better. If anything JS should get paid for the vast catalog of work he has placed to help arrogant jerks like you, who come in here and do the equivalent of pissing on the walls with the inane comments you post, Franko.

Good point.

I know there’s many scam-alert sites floating around, but I’d really like to see an official one specifically designed for multi-level marketing, that holds the same weight as the BBB does. I’m not talking about sites like rip-off report, but actual mainstream sites supported by the gov’t, like the gov’t supports the BBB and/or uses it as reference. Is there such a site out there?

Wow…I love reading all the comments. I hate MonaVie too!
It has destroyed my family. My 68 y/o father is cult member who has never made a dime after about 2 years.
My parents don’t get along and MV has just made it worse…since my Mother will not join. My father tried to have a tasting at there house, but my Mother call all the known MV cult members and told them that she would not let them in the house and if they tired to come in she would call the Sheriff. My father cancelled the meeting!
And she would have!!

That does suck Melba! Do you have any idea why your dad continues even though he has only lost money?

When I come to this website I have a feeling as if I am on a cult website. Dont get me wrong but that’s how I feel. A group of religious fanatics who see the dark side of everything. Everything is bad 666. Some who complain about money, you have to invest in starting just about any business big or small. How do you want to build your business without first making an investment and without teamwork? How do you want to earn money without people consuming your products? If you want to understrand what MonaVie is about you should read Calvin Becerra’s free ebook.

Pffft… People come in when they please, post what they want, and then go about the business of the day. The only thing going on here is people speaking out freely without fear of censorship, unlike that other organization…

You have to be trying pretty hard to rationalize your scam business away if you’re saying the critics are cult fanatics who “see the dark side of everything”.

Man, that is so incredibly asinine, it makes me shudder. Your stupidity has humbled me.

Humiliated- my Dad continues with MV because he’s in the cult…and he’s STUPID!

My Mom does ROCK! She hates the MV cult!
We call MV… Monkey-V (my dad has the monkey on his back.)

Melba~
How right on you are! You should send your mom to read Amthrax blog,there is a link from here, it will confirm what a corrupted cult it really is. She will read from those who experienced it and KNOW the truth.

your so bias you won’t even post my earlier comment what a freedom of press deal

Aaron,

What about AA? Isn’t that the way many end their life of drugs and alcohol and find god. I think it is free too. You just show up at a meeting and learn all the good people skills.

When someone says, “the business isn’t for everyone”, I like to turn it around and ask what business that scams people out of their hard-earned money is for ANYONE?

As for the learning of good people skills and improving relationships, you should read the comments here. This organization has destroyed lives and then left people to suffer

Remember that the “leadership guru” are just self-appointed titles. These rankings aren’t done by any reputable organization. It seems like Orrin Woodward himself puts them out there so he can rank. Read more at: Orrin Woodward, Scams, MonaVie, Team, and Lies… Oh My!

Finally remember that It’s Not a Matter of Effort, it’s a Mathematical Certainty.

Thanks for you comment A. We’ve unfortunately seen this behavior much too much. This is a great example of how MonaVie takes away time from your family.

Aaron~
Glad you found God and congratulations on you being clean and sober. Did that happen as soon as you joined the team? Truthfully,No one else does that for you, do they? Don’t lose sight of who keeps you clean and sober.If the team goes away, what then? I wish you well on your continued sobriety.

Aside from that I totally disagree with the rest of what you say. You are repeating exactly what your upline tells you, we call that reading right from the script. This is where you got your candid answers,none are your original thoughts, correct?

Interesting you say: “I can’t say you were wrong because whatever speaker you seen could have lied about a lot.” So, the speakers you say; ‘teach good people skills’ and got you clean and sober, LIE TO YOU? How is that good people skills? I would run for the hills if you already know they are lying to you!

You also say:” I understand that some people get in and never make a ton of money but those people are the ones that wanted everybody to do the work for them.” Is that what you expect? Who would be those ‘some people’ you speak of? Have you asked THEM why they quit?

We personally (ourselves included) know of some Triple 100’s, Turbo 100’s, 50’s, Round Table, Quad 100 and too many others to count who quit. I know WHY they quit, do YOU?
You know not what you speak of!
You are NOT THINKING for yourself, just repeating what you hear.

None of them quit because they wanted to ‘blame’ or ‘didn’t do the work,’ quite the contrary. So, why would you throw your blanket statements, when you don’t know these people, only makes you look foolish and brainwashed.

Your #7 & # 12, leaders is laughable, did you know the TEAM PEOPLE VOTED for them? It wasn’t like John Maxwell and all the other well respected leaders nominated them! They weren’t appointed by some prestigious well know, world leaders. lol

Same with the LLR-#1 best seller! Ask Orrin (you might get the truth, I’ll pray you do) yourself he said he sold 100,000 books to the TEAM, by forcing it down on BOM and creating a ‘promotion’(thousands went through our team), before it even went public!
Have any of their other books hit that status, legitimately? They don’t have enough people any more to make it happen, MOST quit because of Orrin? Did you know this? I suppose you believe the PC built MV from scratch too? LOL

Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it, right Aaron boy. (Team of Destiny, first in Amway, Team Quixtar, Team MV) Study your history and all the lawsuits. Go to freedom of mind website that might clear up your ignorance on cults. There is a great article on Con Men too. Read the BITE MODEL; let us know if you recognize anything.

Your statement about John Maxwell, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. He earned his leadership respect legitimately, not by deceiving and conning. Orrin gets his by conning gullible people like you who believe everything your upline and he tells you, without question; it’s called undue influence, they use stop thinking techniques that seem to be working well on you. You know nothing about the truth, Orrin or anything else you speak of.

A valid point for Aaron, he states the Team ‘focuses on growth of your faith.’

Then why Aaron, do they call it a ‘Business Opportunity’ and not a specific ‘Faith Opportunity’?

Never once in the ‘PLAN’ do they tell people they are getting you started in a Church with a specific doctrine, ‘to grow your faith.’

In my opinion, that is Deception at its finest, they show you the plan to get you started for PROFIT.
But then again that is the MO of cults, they are masters at Deception.
Something Aaron seems to know nothing about.

TeamMonaVie17,

“You are attempting to establish credibility to yourself, but you stated some of the claims that Monavie Distributors will make, but yet you still make some of the same claims. Contradicting?”

Umm, huh? What is this establishing of credibility? I just want to tell people the truth. What are the same claims?

“You really must not have anything better to do.”

Helping people avoid being scammed out their money is a service that should be celebrated.

#17 says-

“Just because your to lazy, or don’t have a dream in order to Live Intentionally For Excellence doesn’t mean you need to diminish someone else hopes of becoming successful in something great like the Monavie Team. if you spent half the time attempting to be successful as you spend finding pointless information you would be half successful.”

Who in the HELL ever said we didn’t have a dream? Only in your eyes correct???? How in the hell do you know that everyone here hasn’t earned their dream in life? Just because they aren’t “Living Intentionally For Excellence” under team, means that they haven’t reached their dreams in life???? Do you direct those demeaning comments towards the countless number of surgeons/doctors, lawyers or any of the other well trained professions in this world??? Or what about the professional athletes that are already living their dream???

Of course, they could all do better with team m.v. Heck, maybe we should ask Dr. Oz what he thinks of acai products and what he thinks of them using his name illegally to promote their products…INCLUDING MONA VIE!!!!!

Plain and simple folks, it’s the Team way or the highway.

#17 says-
“With Regard”…..

Whatever happened to “God Bless”?

….you gotta be kidding me.

All of you have been wrong. Let me tell you how it really is.

TEAM is a pyramid scheme. SCHEME, not scam, scheme.It is possible to make money off of TEAM, a decent amount I would think. All it takes is for you to be a good salesman. In a way you are being scammed yes, but if you can scam just as well, then you can and likely will become rich, or at least obtain a steady income.
If you can convince 15 people to join the TEAM then you start making money. If you convince 25 then you’re pretty much set because chances are some of those people are good recruiters and will get good teams of their own going. Then your team expands exponentially (in theory) from there and you achieve a modest monthly income.
However, if suddenly no one else can be found who will join, the whole pyramid will collapse. But if some major news network or daytime talk show goes on the air about this being a scam then it’s going to crash overnight.

Really what it comes down to is you bet on yourself. Think you can persuade other people? Then give it a shot. I did, and I was a skeptic at first too, now I’m making 60k a year for doing pretty much nothing except go to meetings and hand out some information stuff to new people.

i was reading this and couldn’t help but smile. it sounds like the writer of this blog was rubbed the wrong way and shut there mind out to everything except finding ways to take things out of context. now you “the writer” keep saying it is a “scam” but the only thing i was reading is some one who wants nothing more than to bash on something they dont understand. you said you read the wall-street journal every day but if that is true then how come your bashing on orion woodward and chris brady “c” whom of which have been recognized in the wall-street journal and multiple other magazines as some of the top leader gurus in the world. now im no genius but 2 of the worlds most successful leaders who have been mentioned multiple times in a magazine u read every day is being mentioned as a guru all over and yet u still talk about him like he is a fool. I also couldn’t help but notice that you and your wife seem to be a religious couple like myself and you were upset that (A) and (B) disguised the meeting as part of a religious fellowship. now as a religious person myself i can understand the disappointment and that this only further set your mind on team and monavie being a scam. i do however have to point out that the majority of the people i talk with at the meetings are also other religious people like myself. you also mentioned that “c” was working 80-90 hrs a week and then hyphenated “getting no were” as to imply that it was bull for some one to work that much and not go places. for some people an 80-90 hr week is unthinkable and still not be able to go places. i dont want to get into to much detail about myself as to try and stay on topic, but i have a family member who works on average 90 hr weeks and is still struggling. now back on topic i wanted to point out that you mentioned “c” told you that “if your not a salesmen, change” you also mentioned that “The entire meeting was focused on selling the plan, not teaching people how to sell” and “there were no MonaVie bottles on display, however the IDS was displayed, as well as an ORAC bar chart.” now if “c” had told you that “if your not a salesmen, change” then why wasn’t he trying to sell the product to you. it seems very counter productive and makes me think that this whole blog was to bash on something that you shut your mind out to because some were along the line you felt wronged by the person presenting this opportunity to you. now im not the smartest guy in the room but my guess is it had to do with religion and the fact that some of your bible study students used religion as a way to get people to the meetings (which is wrong but has nothing to do with team or monavie). i think religion also played a role in your dislike for team and monavie because after (A) and (B) got married they went to a meeting instead of the newly wed spending time like a traditional couple after a wedding. you also mentioned that “c” did a fair amount of college-bashing, with a comment made about how college students don’t know what they want, and don’t typically end up working in the field they entered college to study. if you call the truth college bashing then i think you need to stop focusing on bashing something you dont understand and do some deep soul searching. i am in my 20s and i dont know what i want to do with life ether. i have multiple cousins who have gone to college for a subject and then ended up getting a job that is completely unrelated to there degree. one of my cousins went to itt for graphics design and is now working full time at a steel factory. its not what he wanted to do and its not what he went to school for but its what he ended up doing any ways. the majority of people in there youth want to get a job doing one thing but for most of them they will end up with a different career path. now lets focus on your points for bashing the monavie products themselves. you and your wife spent time finding as much as u could about the products and threw around some numbers. i am not about to spend that much time trying to find out about a product that ill consume ether way. all i know about the product is it tastes good and since ive been drinking monavie products i have felt a lot better both nutritionally and physically. now that ive said how i feel about the product lets focus on some of your other points. you wrote in your blog that he brought up no cancer in brazil. that whole paragraph is just a he said she said type of argument that has nothing to do with monavie and team as a company. then in your last paragraph you opened it with “I did not hear much about religion, other than that you should sign up so you can make a lot of money and give it to your church or a charity.” team and monavie are not about religion and from what ive read i personally get the impression that is one of the major reasons you closed your mind off to team and monavie and bashed it as a scam. in your last paragraph you also mentioned the MORE project and how it helps people in need and that “c” wife donates to help. you also continued to say that you felt he was implying that you didn’t care about the people the MORE project helped. wether this is true or not is irrelevant. this dispute is a personal one between you and “c” and has nothing to do with monavie and team. most of this blog was just a personal feeling on how the writer felt and didn’t have any solid facts that swayed my opinion of team or monavie. he threw around a bunch of numbers about some of the products but as a consumer of monavie i will still drink it ether way. it makes me feel better health wise and it tastes good. i dont know if monavie is the main cause to me feeling better or not but wether the numbers you threw around are true or not is irrelevant to me. monavie is at least part of the cause to me feeling better. after reading this whole blog i didn’t read a single fact that said monavie and team are a scam. the only thing that said monavie and team were a scam is your personal thoughts and opinions and before i wrap this up i would like to state a fact that you were never apart of team or monavie so you dont truly know what team or monavie is about.

Andrew,

I was reading your comment and I couldn’t help but smile. It sounds like the writer of that comment isn’t educated enough to learn basic attributes of the English language such as dividing your comment into separate paragraphs and capitalizing the first word of a sentence. I understand missing one or two due to typos, but when you miss every single one, it clearly shows that you aren’t capable of understanding simple concepts.

“Orion Woodward” (or Orrin Woodward) and Chris Brady are not commonly mentioned in the Wall Street Journal. Please cite ANY mentions, before suggesting that they are. However, Forbes claims that TEAM is a pyramid scheme in an interview with Orrin Woodward. Pyramid schemes are recognized as a form of fraud and illegal in the United States and many, many other countries.

I would hope that the friend who is a family member who works 90 hours a week is bringing in a good income. They might be struggling due to previous debt or other things unrelated their income. Remember that, on average, MonaVie pays far less than minimum wage.

Andrew said, “it seems very counter productive and makes me think that this whole blog was to bash on something that you shut your mind out to because some were along the line you felt wronged by the person presenting this opportunity to you.”

It seems like it is a failure on MonaVie’s part to allow someone like “c” to present the opportunity in this manner. It turns out that the author’s depiction of a meeting is common (I’ve seen it before) and thus we should conclude that MonaVie is the organization that needs to change its approach or face the consequences of the poor marketing.

Andrew said,

“you also mentioned that “c” did a fair amount of college-bashing, with a comment made about how college students don’t know what they want, and don’t typically end up working in the field they entered college to study. if you call the truth college bashing then i think you need to stop focusing on bashing something you dont understand and do some deep soul searching.”

Andrew, I think you missed the point. “C” was using the two points (college students don’t know what they want, end up working in the field they entered college to study) as reasons not to go to college – they aren’t. A lot of people enter college and find something else that they are excited about, take up study in that and end up in that career. TEAM only prepares you to be an MLM salesman, which with MonaVie is shown to cause people to lose money 99.64% of the time. The argument that “C” is using against college is a red herring – just because it is true, it doesn’t mean it is relevant.

Andrew said,

“since ive been drinking monavie products i have felt a lot better both nutritionally and physically.”

This is explained by the placebo effect. Independent analysis of MonaVie shows that it lacks nutrition.

Andrew said,

“you wrote in your blog that he brought up no cancer in brazil. that whole paragraph is just a he said she said type of argument that has nothing to do with monavie and team as a company.”

The point of this paragraph is that it shows the lies are being spread by people MonaVie pays to recruit others to MonaVie. It speaks volumes about MonaVie’s lack of ability to police its owners and not fraud others. As for a he-said, she-said argument, that can be said about anything in this blog post. If you don’t believe it, that’s fine. However, as I wrote in the intro, “I publish it because I have seen numerous cases of similar circumstances.”

Andrew said,
“then in your last paragraph you opened it with, ‘I did not hear much about religion, other than that you should sign up so you can make a lot of money and give it to your church or a charity.’ team and monavie are not about religion and from what ive read i personally get the impression that is one of the major reasons you closed your mind off to team and monavie and bashed it as a scam.”

Well remember that MonaVie and Team target the church and its members. They should be about religion or stop that practice immediately. This is clearly their fault. As for MonaVie being bashed as a scam, you should read the other dozens of articles here. You’ll find that MonaVie and TEAM have rightly earned that reputation.

Whoo, Andrew your post makes you dizzy seeing all the words jumbled together and half of what you say doesn’t even make sense.

Andrew If you are ‘just a customer’ the product ‘tastes good’ and ‘makes you feel better’ but yet you say you’re not going to spend much time on it, then drink away and move on!

Why all the other mumble jumbo and you say none of it has anything to do with MV & Orrin what others say, bullsh*t. It is a ‘repeat after me system’ period.Their system is designed this way intentionally.They are clearly aware of this and expect others to follow and if you don’t watch out.

Why do you think you have to be at EVERY open, major, seminar and then purchase every cd from the same major’s and seminars; where they repeat the same indoctrinating one-liners and tell you what to say over and over and over? Have cd packs, dvd’s, and tell you how to show the plan?

I am hard pressed and don’t believe for a minute you would put yourself through that much typing and not be a part of what you are defending! Sorry, Andrew, I’m not buying your BS.

Go to Amthrax site as CGC recommended and read up on Orrin.And bring those guru articles with you, LOL ;)

It’s come out recently that glucosamine hasn’t shown to be more effective than a placebo. Your experience is likely due to the placebo effect and thus it can’t be said that the product works.

Other than that, it is good information. It seems to me that there’s a lot of buying of CDs and books.

Geez, I’ve read so much ignorance I don’t know where to start. I would bet most of you who have posted negative comments are the typical lazy bums who expected a free handout to success just because you signed up. Are some of you really educated at anything or do you typically make up lies so that people perceive you as being smart? I know that the people you are badmouthing have more character in their little finger than any of you will ever have who are bashing them. Imagine seeing 12,000 people in an arena who are positive and all pulling in the same direction. I know some of you negative naysayers could never fathom something like that because you’ve never accomplished anything that made a difference. You just badmouth those that do. I’ve been around this business for almost 5 years and I’ve seen person after person succeed. You know why they succeeded? They succeeded because they worked at it and refused to listen to those who said it wouldn’t work. The only people who haven’t succeeded are those who didn’t get in to begin with because they didn’t have the guts or those who quit because it was too hard. In all of the mouthing and criticism I’ve read I don’t recall any of you saying what you have that is a better option. What it all comes down to is very simple- those who can DO and those who can’t CRITICIZE those that do because they willingly accept mediocrity and want everyone else to so they don’t feel so bad about themselves and their lack of accomplishment. Grow up! I’d trust my lives with the leaders of this business but I’d never give you the time of day and your stupid theories. My belief will swallow up and spit out your theory! When you attack those who have improved the lives of person after person, you’ve crossed the line.

Greg~

WOW~ You whipped up a completely negative, name calling-bashing post right out of the LIFE Team play(word) book! I didn’t see one original thought in your post,they have you hook, line, and sinker. The PC is laughing all the way to the Bank (their bank) with YOUR money.

How successful are you, Greg? You have reached the end of the 2-5 year program, are you financially free? What is your ‘profit’ and ‘results’? What about that passive, residual income? If not; you might want to reconsider whether your ‘theory’ is working.

You have been in 5 years? Then you know that all those leaders you say are sooo successful, have either gone back to work (excluding the Pc, of course) and numerous big leaders have LEFT that were ‘successful;’ by your definition, including the whole Dickie family, right? And if you don’t know Why ALL those leaders left, then you are clearly showing your ignorance.

You say: “I know some of you negative naysayers could never fathom something like that because you’ve never accomplished anything that made a difference. You just badmouth those that do.”

Did you just ‘bad mouth’ people with those negative comments of yours?

Is there one person on here you even have a remote clue what they have done or accomlished? NO, didn’t think so, just more of your ‘theory’.

I see you are a perfect student of the school of hypocrisy (team training). That does not make you smart, it just means you have surrendered your critical thinking. Very Sad.

One last serious caution, I would be very careful “trusting your life with the leaders of this business,” that is the most dangerous thing you could do.

Take it from someone who has been there for over a decade.

Too Sad.

“Imagine seeing 12,000 people in an arena who are positive and all pulling in the same direction.”

Then take a look at the MV income disclosure and realize that 98% of these people are losing money, and the cost of being at this arena can be piled on top of those losses. Imagine seeing 11,700 people who are bleeding money being conned into thinking that positive thinking and vacuous cheer-leading is going to put an end to their losses. Imagine some paid-per-performance con artists getting on stage to lie to these people so that the 2% minority can continue living their dream lives, at the expense of the 98%.

Hi Greg, welcome to the conversation.

You said “Geez, I’ve read so much ignorance I don’t know where to start”. Could you please start by telling us what we are ignorant regarding?

You then said “Are some of you really educated at anything or do you typically make up lies so that people perceive you as being smart?” What exactly do you claim is a made up lie? I’ve always found this site interested in the truth and if something is not factual, I for one would be interested in the specific examples to which you are referring.

Suzy,

The articles here represent the research of many individuals who have been defrauded by MonaVie. The very article was a guest post that was written entirely by someone else. It is not a one-person vs. a company war.

This website has provided tons of irrefutable evidence supported by reputable third parties that MonaVie is a grossly overpriced product, with little nutritional value, wrapped in a poor business opportunity that is may be an illegal pyramid scheme, which is itself wrapped in illegal medical claims, supported by nonsensical “scientific” studies, and tied to a fraudulent charity. No one can intelligently claim that anything in that last sentence is untrue. Maybe you should have a read to what doctors have to say about MonaVie.

You say that one can turn anything into a debate. Where are the debates about Ocean Spray or Welch’s Grape Juice? Where is the debate about Pringle’s or Campbell’s Soup? There simply isn’t any such debate. You’ll find more than a lot of debate on MonaVie though: this article, this Newsweek article, etc.

Even the Consumerist, a branch of Consumer Reports says:

“As far as health benefits go, most of the claims about its ability to cure cancer, eczema, general pain, anxiety, autism, and a case of the stupids, is gossip and hearsay. (In fact, it may cause a case of the stupids, we’re guessing.) Newsweek points out that because unsalaried MonaVie salespeople are out making the ridiculous health claims and not the company, MonaVie stays within FDA guidelines, and doesn’t have to worry about backing up such claims.”

When Consumer Reports calls you stupid, perhaps you should drop the pretext of it being a political war that is not “creditable” (you mean credible?) and listen to what the journalists, doctors, and consumer advocate groups are saying.

What do you mean by spending more time correcting spelling or grammar mistakes. My question clarifying your spelling was only three words of the three or four hundred that I wrote and not even one of the nearly dozen points I made. For you to focus on that and not on the points of substance speaks volumes more than any spelling and grammar mistakes.

It doesn’t take me that much time. This website is probably over 1000 days old, so literally a couple of minutes is all it takes. Many people donate a few hours on the weekends to helping people out. That’s all I’m doing.

It’s fine that you find my site to be a waste of cyber space – many others find it extremely useful. Plus it turns out that cyber space is pretty much an infinite resource.

Jeannie, there is a whole blog about Team, I recommend posting your question on that blog, as well as doing some reading yourself. Your “man” is in for a major let down.

http://amthrax.wordpress.com/

Jeannie,

As Vogel mentioned it is a tough spot. Just know that it isn’t you. These people pitch a dream and a solution to all one’s problems. At the same time, they tell them that jealous people will try to bring them down and “steal their dream”, because they haven’t realized their dream (I guess the theory is that misery loves company). They’ve essentially started the recruit on the path and shut out points of rescue. However, I have a few links to share with you on the topic. Some may help, some might just educate you to understand where he is now (though I think you already know):

- http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4187 (Emergency Handbook: What to Do When a Friend Loves Woo ).
- http://freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/m/mlm/
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNSe5XYp6E (Mind Control Cults)

Jeannie, I would definitely go to Amthrax’s site, lots of valuable info there. Also I’ve had a lady cut me off of her Facebook because I dropped out of TEAM and she couldn’t handle my criticism of TEAM. It was sad, because she was a good friend.

I hope your friend gets out soon.

That’s not surprising. When I gave up my MV business, I had 13 bottles of the stuff and I just wanted to get rid of it, plus it would’ve helped me pay some back rent. My upline flat out said no, and that people should only buy from their business. Once you’re out, you’re SOL. You got the stuff, it’s your responsibilty. That’s it. We never did end up selling the leftovers (that and the leftover 2 big boxes of TEAM stuff). In the end, Hubby and I drank the stuff (and we were starting to get tired of the juice!) and we ended up just giving away my old TEAM materials – to a lady who was so appreciative of my extra stuff, then she turned around and bumped me off my FB.

Life isn’t fair, but it did give us a valuable lesson, plus a good learning experience in the commercial cult field.

Wow! All I see is a bunch of blah blah blah on here.

Onyx, you may be schooled but your not educated. Michael Dell dropped out of college and became a billionaire as well as most billionaires in the USA.He came up with the 3 C’s talk because he could see what was going to transpire with the internet boom. Orrin Woodward always stressed community in this business approach and never was it about being a “Juice Salesman”! Quick side bar, who ever the knucklehead was that said the EBC Website was $60/month he clearly never even payed attention to anything he heard. It’s $60/every 4 months.For everyone who has trouble with math that’s $15/month!! Everyone that’s going to Knuckleheads blog page clearly are among the quitting type we’re used to seeing in this country! This country is clearly going down the drain because of the lack of leadership in our country. People would rather go home and turn their TV’s on than open up a book! I didn’t see anywhere from the whiners on these comments about the reading that TEAM is always promoting and that literally 98% of all books read on the entire planet are read by 1% of the entire population.So Onyx!!!!!! Are you saying that it’s ignorant to read? Did you by chance have to read any books in getting your over priced education, or your Wife’s? You sat in a classroom and listened to how many professors theorize about life, that hadn’t any clue as to how and go out and create wealth!! Don’t sit there and call something a cult because your to closed off to see the real problems in our country, the broken systems that squash the little guy!!! If your a Christian then I would challenge you to get your butt in the Bible, you know the book real Christians read and study Proverbs!! Who are you to slander and spread rumors after seeing one meeting! What are your great accomplishments in life? Let me guess…you and your wife must of stayed in a Holiday In Express that night too!!Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady are doing more to turn this country around than every politician combined in Washington DC and than you and your over schooled wife!!! What they are trying to teach this ignorant TV watching country is that the scales are way to heavy on one side and that we need some American citizens to step up to the plate and create successful businesses that are going to turn around this broken economy!

Onyx, I could care less what your degrees are!!! If your going to boast, boast of the Lord!! You could use a good dose of the leadership and education available at a fraction of the cost you spent on an couple of degrees that aren’t worth the paper they are printed on!! Cult!!! What’s wrong with you?

Are you telling me that Robert Kiyosaki doesn’t know what he’s saying either? You don’t think that 95% of our population controlling 5% of the wealth isn’t lopsided? Paul Pilzer is wrong to …huh about the need for successful entrepreneurs. He doesn’t know anything about our economy right? Oliver Demille isn’t smart enough to know what’s wrong either Right? Please Onyx!!!! Our country is filled with schooled idiots that know nothing outside of what the here on the news or read in the paper!!!!

Our nation is in need of Statesman with a well rounded education that can spot a liar when they see or hear one!!! The only thing Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady are guilty of is bringing the TRUTH to the table when so many run from it! Your hardly a man Onyx and if your teaching a bible study then maybe you should actually read the bible and learn from the manliest man that ever walked the Earth and that is Jesus Christ!!! Shame on you for poisoning this blog along with so many other ignorant lazy Americans on this blog!!L.I.F.E.-TEAM is going to be the 1.5%-3% of the total population in the USA that force a “FREEDOM SHIFT” in our country and you darn well better be ready to thank the men and women that stepped up to the plate and provided the very freedoms you and your over schooled wife take for granted every day!!Wake up and start doing something to make a difference in our country instead of criticizing the very people who are!!!

Criticizing is nothing more than the death gargle of a non achievers!!!

God Bless! The further our country gets from God the quicker we will plummet into the abyss!!!!

Is that what I’m doing? Encouraging people to involve themselves in illegal activity? Thousands of reputable sources huh? Where is your source on that? Who are all these sources? Name the credible sources guy!! You clearly know nothing of the current economic situation in this country and for one bring to my attention the many times I said Mona Vie! please show me all the times I said Mona Vie! Wealth is destroyed with Team huh! I’m sure you can show all of the reputable sources on that as well, there are probably thousands..huh!! You said your education is paying off cause your not encouraging people to engage in illegal activity. Is that what you wasted your money on that over priced education for? To ensure you didn’t tell anyone to engage in illegal activity. Seems like a lot of money for such a trivial point!!!! College is the biggest scam on the planet!!! Let’s spend $50,000 on an education that will have me paying the government back for the rest of my working life!! That sounds like the scam to me!! Why don’t you start a blog and say college is a scam and see how many people disagree with you!!! You literally provided no circumstantial proof of any of your absurd comments!!!! There’s lots of information available out there guy and like I’ve said before any CRACKHEAD can’t comment on the internet or even write a book for that matter! My point was I didn’t see anyone say how important reading is in any society and that is what Team promotes!! How many books on leadership economics and Christianity have you read in the last year???? Really guy?? How Many?? I’ve read over 50! All VERY REPUTABLE SOURCES fella!!!! You bring nothing to the table and I’m sure your still paying on your inflated education!!

Free Enterprise is exactly what makes this country great and for you as ignorant as you are to call TEAM Mona Vie a pyramid scheme makes you look foolish!! The people who do the work get paid!! Tell me how Tim Marks who is below Bill Lewis and Mark Huber and I mean hundreds of people below them makes more than both of them combined!! How is that a pyramid scheme when he is below them??? Tell me guy??? You know nothing of Team!!!

Every traditional business in this country is a pyramid scheme guy!!! Owner, CEO, CFO, VP, Regional Manager, District Manager, Manager, Employee, Employee, Employee, Employee, Employee, Employee. Are you starting to see the pyramid?

The fact that you said TEAM destroys wealth truly shows me you know nothing of Orrin Woodward or Chris Brady and you sit in your little closed off world criticizing people who have created success outside of the traditional job market! You sir are the one wrapped up in a cult like lifestyle thinking that College is the means to wealth!! Go read the book FREEDOM SHIFT by Oliver DEMILLE and if you tell me that isn’t the truth about what’s going on in this country then I can literally call you a LIAR sir!!!!! Orrin and Chris not only have provided a vehicle for people to create wealth they are instilling the right principles into peoples lives that will allow them to leave a legacy someone can be proud of! They also will be able to look there great grandchildren in the eyes and know that they fought for the very freedom you take for granted!!!!! You sir need to read the Bible and focus on God and what you can do to make a POSITIVE diference in other peoples lives!!! You KNOW NOTHING OF WHAT ORRIN AND CHRIS ARE DOING AND AT LEAST I AM SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FREEDOM AND SOMEONE WHO KNOWS NOTHING OF IT!! WAKE UP SIR CAUSE EVERY DAY YOU WAKE UP YOUR TURNING YOUR BACK ON THE TRUTH!!

WINSTON CHURCHILL SAID “MAN WILL STUMBLE UPON THE TRUTH EVERY NOW AND AGAIN AND PICK HIMSELF UP DUST HIMSELF OFF AND CARRRY ON AS THOUGH NOTHING EVER HAPPENED”

THAT IS YOU SIR AND IF YOUR SO SMART WHY DO TALK NOTHING OF FREEDOM IN ALL OF YOUR WHINING!! YOUR JUST ANOTHER SCARED LITTLE BOY IN OUR COUNTRY WHO ISN’T MAN ENOUGH TO TAKE A REAL CHALLENGE IN HIS LIFE…..YOUR A COWARD SIR!!! I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION FACE TO FACE SO YOU CAN SEE TRULY WHAT CONVICTION AND TRUTH REALLY IS!!!!!

STAND UP AND HELP FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY’S FREEDOMS WHICH ARE TAKEN AWAY FROM US EVERY YEAR BY THIS PARTISAN POLITICAL CRAP!!! IT’S THE CITIZENS THAT WE’RE MEANT TO KEEP THIS COUNTRY ON TRACK NOT GOVERNMENT….THAT’S ARISTOCRATIC THINKING SIR!!!! GOOD NIGHT TO YOU!!!

I DO MEAN THIS TOO, I WILL PRAY FOR YOU TO SEE THE TRUTHS YOU ARE DENYING!! I WILL BE A PASTOR ONE DAY BY GODS GRACE AND EVEN A SPIRITUAL MAN HAS TO FEND OFF THE WOLVES FROM TIME TO TIME! I’M A SHEEPDOG BROTHER….YOUR A SHEEP WHICH MEANS I HAVE A DUTY TO PROTECT YOU BUT I WOULD RATHER YOU MUSTER UP THE INGREDIENTS IN YOUR OWN SOUL TO HELP PROTECT OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHTS IN THIS COUNTRY!!!!

Waitaminit- is that the Oliver demille that founded George Wythe University? The university that gave out doctorates for “life experience?”;

http://themakingofauniversity.blogspot.com/

If you think that this clown is someone worth listening to, man, are you in deep. Of course, your all caps rant was a bit of a clue, also.

Try reading some books not assigned by your masters- some American philosophy, maybe? Some great literature? A little Steinbeck, a little Emerson, and you might find you’re looking at the world in a whole different way.

Word of warning; you should probably skip Ayn Rand, for right now.

Holy cow……In my opinion, Rob’s rant really shows the thought reform that goes on in TEAM/LIFE. Scary! Us vs them, loaded language…. cult doctrine is what he is repeating. He cannot think for himself…
Read about it at http://www.freedomofmind.com or
http://www.howcultswork.com
I hope his family does an intervention to help him. :(

Awesome find Grover Lembeck. I don’t even what to read what a doctorate in “life experience” is…

Looks like Rob broke the new TEAM/LIFE P&P – not to respond to negative posts – wonder if Woodward and his motley crew will kick Rob’s azz ;-) Nyuck nyuck nyuck

BTW Rob no need to yell, we can all see what you’re typing. Sounds like you’re an angry person once your views are opposed. A true pastor wouldn’t sink so low as you’re sinking now.

Just do some research, mate. It wouldn’t hurt you, in fact, it may even set you free. You’re obstracising yourself from your friends and family, and the only support you will have is fellow TEAM members. That’s sad, man. That reeks of cult.

You guys are kiiiling me! Too funny!

Hi fellow blogers!I just had a near team expereince.I went to a few of there meetings on big one the last one was the hard sell. They wanted credit card numbers,money the red flags went up.The team folks were dressed in Wallmart dress shirts with cheap ties!They tell you about God & morals as they try to slip there hand in your back pocket and take your money(I think there desperate for recruits into there little CULT). Just think I could have been rich and I walked away from Life-Team.My point to all of this is my best friend got sucked in to all of this very sad.What next selling CD’s on busy street corners.What come to mind to me with this bunch is the Rev. Young Sung Moon !! Team could be the next generation MOONIES how sad.

Rob’s comments got so crazy, I had to kick him out. Sorry Brent, but I doubt you’d get that screen share anyway.

Re: Robs comment,Why the the caps Rob Are you trying to make a point out of something that is pointless.As a wise old man once told me if you can’t buy it at the store don’t buy it.I still live buy that today!

Hello All, One thing that I noticed With the time for money as they say,the I met people still had full time jobs 50 hrs. a week & doing this team-life thing, they actually had less time to spend with their familys not to mention less disposable income any extra cash was spent on coventions & the so called tools. So in my opinion team-life (I use small letters for team-life on purpose because I do not consider it to be anything worth while let alone a business) The first thing a involved in brainwashing is sleep depervation, the second thing they do is isolate the victim (them & us like minded people free thinkers)Some of the people I met cut off all outside media & listend only to the tools.Some of life skill tools most of us picked through our journey in life anyway not a very big secret.All of folks I met were very, very vaige about this money making opportunity.At least at the end of a hour long amway presentation, you know exactly what their trying to sell I’ve been duped in to a couple of thoughs.At the end of the hour long presentation the person tells you as they flip to the last page on their writing board amway.If I had known this from the beginning I would not have showed up or let them into my house!!This team-life thing was a long drawn out amway presentation that is what it reminded me of .Then to find out later that the main guy who is trying to sell this crap used to be part of that scam.Bye for now

I would like to start out by saying I AM SO GLAD I HAVE FOUND THIS WEBSITE !!!!!
Where to start ? My brother one day said to me “Barbie I’ve got something that you’ve got to see !” Me thinking it was some spectacular sort of nature thing said “Sure !”, the next thing I know he shows up at my door and says are you ready to see this, I’m thinking it’s walking distance, he says we’re going to Tillsonburg (about a 20 – 30 min. drive away). I finally asked him what is this so spectacular thing it was I had to see. He says it’s a health thing, anyway I went with him saying that I would keep an open mind. It didn’t take long to see where this was going as soon as I walked into this meeting, it gave me the chills. There was not one person who was not a MONA VIE TEAM member. At the end of the meeting they all jumped on me like flies on **** asking me what I thought. I told them not too much seeing as the speaker told me nothing about the product, used terms I had never heard before and seemed to change the subject when I told him of my healthy lifestyle (eating fruits & vegtables,taking my vitamins etc.) Everytime I came up with a question or comment they kept taking the pamphlets (that they gave me at the door) away. Needless to say I left pamphetless but with my own mind and soul. However my brother who eats , sleeps, eats, breathes Mona Vie has not been so lucky. I have read through all of the comments on this page and it makes me shiver to the bone because I can relate to just about all of them. Jeff & his wife and now my mother have lost the true family thing (my brother has 2 kids). Working almost every night after his full time job, always away on weekends, spending countless dollars on travel and these seminars, through any kind of weather. They are behind on thier bills and are on a quick road to loosing everything and not just material stuff. My brother Jeff and I always used to talk but I hardly ever hear from him, same thing for my Mom. They think that this magic in a bottle is a miracle cure. The truth is I seen them for the first time in about 3 months the other day and they all looked like they had been dragged through a knot hole. As I was reading through all of these stories there were soooo many red flags , the big one “But you don’t understand ” and yes how these Mona Vie people get very snarky if you say anything or question anything about Mona Vie . My brother was in the hospital with gal bladder problems and an inflamed appendix and do you know what he said to me ? He said “It’s a good thing he was taking Mona Vie because it helped bring on all the gal bladder and appendix issues and made him healthy again. Doesn’t that blow your mind. They are always sick with colds and they say to me , it’s a good thing that they are taking Mona Vie to help bring these things on and make them healthier. It’s unbeleivable and yes Mona Vie preys on people and once they have sucked up all of their brain cells they hold on tight. The first word that came to mind is Cult. Another thing that I thought was strange, a girl where I work at sells Mona Vie, she doesn’t push it on anyone, she doen’t get snarky if you have questions or comments about it and she is not broke from it, I asked her to speak to by brother (I also told her about my feelings about Mona Vie) when I introduced her to my brother his comment to her was oh you sell mona vie you are not a mona vie team , he was actually snooty with her . I asked him what the difference was (other than she didn’t seem to be spending endless hours from home or after work slaving away with selling )and his comment was she only sells mona vie, I am with Mona vie Team. Does any one know the difference ? Well I’ve probably babble enough if any one has suggestions on how I can get my family back please let me know. By the way I have emailed this website to my brother in hoping he will read it.
Thanks for listening.

Did everyone see the new article on Amthrax?

http://amthrax.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/monavie-re-branding-continues-but-its-the-same-old-story-for-distributors/

Apparently Monavie gave Orrin Woodward a 3 million dollar loan. It’s no wonder he screwed a bunch of people over in the registration shenanigans into Monavie!

from the
Salt Lake Tribune

“Another was former top Amway distributor Orrin Woodward, who received a $3 million loan from Monavie he didn’t have to repay if he met certain recruiting distributor goals, according to a lawsuit Amway filed against MonaVie in 2008 that was settled last year.”

I am not sure why Monavie would allow Team to take distributors off their autoships. Seems counter productive don’t you think? I do agree they probably want to run their own system and herd the cats, which is what they should’ve been doing all along.

Nope.

It mostly means that I had difficulty with my servers, because it seems that MonaVie could have been hacking my websites. That hacking made me revert a database of comments from around mid-December.

I apologize that for the lost information, but it was a very sophisticated attack.

So if you see a gap in the comments, that’s why.

A better question to ask is why neither MonaVie, nor Team is addressing them. Are they afraid to engage in a public forum? It seems so.

Thanks for the comment Larry. That’s what I’ve found as well.

Larry~

Sorry to hear of your unfortunate experience and sadly their are multitudes of families who have had similar relationship strains because of MLM companies and their ‘training’.

How sad and I hope your son and daughter-in-law wake up soon before they are left with too many regrets.

I wish you the best and hold on, it hopefully won’t last; for most it don’t last longer than a year because of the churning rate.

The freedom of mind website and Steve Hassan’s books I believe could be an encouragement to you. It may help with some understanding and help for you. I am sorry, it isn’t easy to be in your situation. Good Luck. :)

You are all right that TEAM is a cult…. however, please do not link MonaVie to this corrupted group of people. I can see how you all think that MonaVie is a cult, because of these people! I have recently written to MonaVie Compliance Dept. about this so-called TEAM of distributors who have infiltrated the NE part of the country. I have been involved with MonaVie since 2006, and the company has been rated one of the top 20 privately owned companies in America! Dallin Larsen, CEO has spoken at one of our embassies in Washington, DC and has been awared CEO of the Year, by Earnst and Young. This group of people are a minority of distributors that I believe have already been thrown out of MOnaVie due to what they have done to people and their illegal practices! MonaVie Compliance can be reached at [email protected] to report such scams like the TEAM. They have ruined this area where I live in central New York State due to their illegal practices and it has just been recently reported to MonaVie. I am waiting to hear more back from the corporate office about this cult group of people that have ruined MonaVie’s reputation as a legitimate growing company that is helping people around the world both physically,and financially! MonaVie is growing and is in 23 countries around the world helping people. I would suggest that you not judge the entire company because of a few rotten apples!

Frances, the problem is, Larsen and Woodward actually made business agreements together on Monavie/TEAM. There are actual trade-offs like Woodward using Monavie as thier side-business and Larsen getting to keep royalties for one of Woodward’s books. I can’t remember who posted this info but I think I read it on Amthrax’s site.

Robyn,

Rasheed of the Blog2Success has been a commenter here in the past. He’s one of the few people who actually looked objectively at the information and realized that he had been duped. He had argued for MonaVie for quite awhile, but when the people on this site asked him to look deeper at the product, he found out all the things he posted in that article.

He asked his upline for information for a reason to believe in MonaVie, and no one could give a good one. I give him credit for having an open mind instead of just following the herd and the brainwashing of MonaVie.