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		<title>By: MadScientistMatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadScientistMatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 01:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On second thought, there is one FDA requirement that would leave MonaVie pretty badly screwed if they went through all the steps that would be needed to market it as a medicine. Medicine is not allowed to have secret active ingredients or secret dosages.

So, if they claimed its benefits were due to a unique blend of 19 fruit juices, they&#039;d have to list *every* juice - and in what percentage. And if they claimed it was only one or two juices that did the work, they&#039;d have to explicitly say that and that the others are there for flavoring. And it&#039;s unlikely the patent office would let them patent a juice blend, unless they could prove the juice blend had medical effects that were different from the effects each juice could produce working separately.

Last thing they want is a $5 juice bottle sitting on the shelf of every Wal-Mart labeled &quot;Compare to MonaVie.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On second thought, there is one FDA requirement that would leave MonaVie pretty badly screwed if they went through all the steps that would be needed to market it as a medicine. Medicine is not allowed to have secret active ingredients or secret dosages.</p>
<p>So, if they claimed its benefits were due to a unique blend of 19 fruit juices, they&#8217;d have to list *every* juice &#8211; and in what percentage. And if they claimed it was only one or two juices that did the work, they&#8217;d have to explicitly say that and that the others are there for flavoring. And it&#8217;s unlikely the patent office would let them patent a juice blend, unless they could prove the juice blend had medical effects that were different from the effects each juice could produce working separately.</p>
<p>Last thing they want is a $5 juice bottle sitting on the shelf of every Wal-Mart labeled &#8220;Compare to MonaVie.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MadScientistMatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadScientistMatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 01:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to PurpleJuiceGuy&#039;s claims about purity and effectiveness going out the window when an FDA-approved drug gets put on the market: While it is pretty rare for a drug to lose purity or effectiveness when it goes from clinical trials to market, it sometimes happens... and it&#039;s almost never the FDA&#039;s fault. The blame generally lies with the manufacturer.

To see why this happens, keep in mind that the drugs for clinical trials often aren&#039;t made on a normal production line. They&#039;re usually made in a lab or in a small pilot production plant. You can&#039;t afford to have an error in production torpedo your trials, so these are held to very high standards.

Once the drug gets the green light, then the manufacturer will move production from the pilot plant to a regular line. And when you scale things up, you&#039;re also likely to look into ways it can be made with less cost, labor, and inconvenience. Questions may come up like, &quot;It&#039;s a nuisance to require everyone to take a shower right before they enter the clean room - can&#039;t we just have them use a sticky floor mat and give them clean lab coats?&quot; Or, &quot;Do we need the lab grade purity version of this ingredient - would food grade be good enough?&quot; These aren&#039;t necessarily bad questions if too much caution is just going to be wasting your money. You&#039;d have a validation team make sure the cost cutting measures haven&#039;t compromised the drug&#039;s purity, and if all goes well, you&#039;ve found a way to make your medicine safe and affordable.

Only sometimes, somebody drops the ball and the production line spits out contaminated medicine, or fails to get the right level of the active ingredient. It&#039;s not the FDA that mandated the changes, though - it&#039;s the production environment (and either greed or mistakes) that caused things to change.

If Mona-Vie somehow made it through a clinical trial for some of their distributors&#039; medical claims, they wouldn&#039;t have to make any changes - it&#039;s already been put into volume production. Not to mention it appears the cost cutting has already happened. &quot;This freeze dried acai is expensive - why don&#039;t we substitute some cheap acai pulp?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to PurpleJuiceGuy&#8217;s claims about purity and effectiveness going out the window when an FDA-approved drug gets put on the market: While it is pretty rare for a drug to lose purity or effectiveness when it goes from clinical trials to market, it sometimes happens&#8230; and it&#8217;s almost never the FDA&#8217;s fault. The blame generally lies with the manufacturer.</p>
<p>To see why this happens, keep in mind that the drugs for clinical trials often aren&#8217;t made on a normal production line. They&#8217;re usually made in a lab or in a small pilot production plant. You can&#8217;t afford to have an error in production torpedo your trials, so these are held to very high standards.</p>
<p>Once the drug gets the green light, then the manufacturer will move production from the pilot plant to a regular line. And when you scale things up, you&#8217;re also likely to look into ways it can be made with less cost, labor, and inconvenience. Questions may come up like, &#8220;It&#8217;s a nuisance to require everyone to take a shower right before they enter the clean room &#8211; can&#8217;t we just have them use a sticky floor mat and give them clean lab coats?&#8221; Or, &#8220;Do we need the lab grade purity version of this ingredient &#8211; would food grade be good enough?&#8221; These aren&#8217;t necessarily bad questions if too much caution is just going to be wasting your money. You&#8217;d have a validation team make sure the cost cutting measures haven&#8217;t compromised the drug&#8217;s purity, and if all goes well, you&#8217;ve found a way to make your medicine safe and affordable.</p>
<p>Only sometimes, somebody drops the ball and the production line spits out contaminated medicine, or fails to get the right level of the active ingredient. It&#8217;s not the FDA that mandated the changes, though &#8211; it&#8217;s the production environment (and either greed or mistakes) that caused things to change.</p>
<p>If Mona-Vie somehow made it through a clinical trial for some of their distributors&#8217; medical claims, they wouldn&#8217;t have to make any changes &#8211; it&#8217;s already been put into volume production. Not to mention it appears the cost cutting has already happened. &#8220;This freeze dried acai is expensive &#8211; why don&#8217;t we substitute some cheap acai pulp?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Vogel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 04:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well put Rasheed.</description>
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		<title>By: Rasheed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rasheed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 03:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A funny thing that many distributors do is say that taking aspirin is bad for you, and that you&#039;re better off drinking MonaVie.

The problem with that is that MonaVie doesn&#039;t alleviate pain, so a person drinking MonaVie will still turn to aspirin when they&#039;re in pain. 

MonaVie isn&#039;t a replacement for aspirin. Nor is it a replacement for fruit. It&#039;s a replacement for $40/week in your bank account, nothing more. The problem with that is that no business would accept &quot;MonaVie bottles&quot; as currency, so essentially, you&#039;re throwing your money down the drain.

I like how distributors will always try to show that taking pills is bad, but the fact of the matter is, the &quot;New Generation of MonaVie&quot; has been fortified, presumably with a few crushed up vitamin pills. 

Also, many medications are available easily in gel caps or liquid form if you&#039;re that picky about pills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A funny thing that many distributors do is say that taking aspirin is bad for you, and that you&#8217;re better off drinking MonaVie.</p>
<p>The problem with that is that MonaVie doesn&#8217;t alleviate pain, so a person drinking MonaVie will still turn to aspirin when they&#8217;re in pain. </p>
<p>MonaVie isn&#8217;t a replacement for aspirin. Nor is it a replacement for fruit. It&#8217;s a replacement for $40/week in your bank account, nothing more. The problem with that is that no business would accept &#8220;MonaVie bottles&#8221; as currency, so essentially, you&#8217;re throwing your money down the drain.</p>
<p>I like how distributors will always try to show that taking pills is bad, but the fact of the matter is, the &#8220;New Generation of MonaVie&#8221; has been fortified, presumably with a few crushed up vitamin pills. </p>
<p>Also, many medications are available easily in gel caps or liquid form if you&#8217;re that picky about pills.</p>
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		<title>By: MonaVie Scam</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonaVie Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;ve been watching the news and I haven&#039;t seen anything about MonaVie passing these trials.

Why don&#039;t I start you off by saying the Earth is flat?  Now go find the information to prove it.  I hope you see how silly it sounds.

It&#039;s even more silly when you admit that the facts are not publicly available.  If you seem to have this information about the FDA, then come out with it.  If you don&#039;t have this information, then why do you think it exists?

[Note: Unless the next comment advances the topic of MonaVie and Tylenol/Aspirin or gives up some new credible information on PurpleJuiceGuy&#039;s conspiracy theory, I will delete it as spam intended to throw this off-topic]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;ve been watching the news and I haven&#8217;t seen anything about MonaVie passing these trials.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t I start you off by saying the Earth is flat?  Now go find the information to prove it.  I hope you see how silly it sounds.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s even more silly when you admit that the facts are not publicly available.  If you seem to have this information about the FDA, then come out with it.  If you don&#8217;t have this information, then why do you think it exists?</p>
<p>[Note: Unless the next comment advances the topic of MonaVie and Tylenol/Aspirin or gives up some new credible information on PurpleJuiceGuy's conspiracy theory, I will delete it as spam intended to throw this off-topic]</p>
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		<title>By: PurpleJuiceGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>PurpleJuiceGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all - I don&#039;t have to back anything up... haven&#039;t you been watching the news these last few months? 
Secondly, I explained why these facts are not publicly available... Your insistance on proof only exposes your inability to understand the truth. 
I started you off, now go find the information yourself --- or sit back on your ignorance and spout more trash in the name of &quot;anything negative sells&quot;, and &quot;I don&#039;t want you to succeed because I&#039;m too lazy to try&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all &#8211; I don&#8217;t have to back anything up&#8230; haven&#8217;t you been watching the news these last few months?<br />
Secondly, I explained why these facts are not publicly available&#8230; Your insistance on proof only exposes your inability to understand the truth.<br />
I started you off, now go find the information yourself &#8212; or sit back on your ignorance and spout more trash in the name of &#8220;anything negative sells&#8221;, and &#8220;I don&#8217;t want you to succeed because I&#8217;m too lazy to try&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: MonaVie Scam</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonaVie Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are going to have to back up your claims with some sources, because what you say runs counter to everything that is known about the FDA.  It&#039;s a conspiracy theory that any rational person would not accept without evidence.  The closest you came was that in very rare instances they do make mistakes.  With thousands of drugs out there, small amount of recalled ones is insignificant - I don&#039;t think you can show that the FDA caused those complications in those products.

Most importantly, you also need to back up your claim that MonaVie has passed phase 1, 2, and 3 of the clinical trials - and give us the data for us to give it any weight.

If MonaVie really passed all three phases and then chose to decline the FDA approval, I would like confirmation from a MonaVie representative and press release.  Dallin Larsen should have mentioned it publicly as well as it would be HUGE news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are going to have to back up your claims with some sources, because what you say runs counter to everything that is known about the FDA.  It&#8217;s a conspiracy theory that any rational person would not accept without evidence.  The closest you came was that in very rare instances they do make mistakes.  With thousands of drugs out there, small amount of recalled ones is insignificant &#8211; I don&#8217;t think you can show that the FDA caused those complications in those products.</p>
<p>Most importantly, you also need to back up your claim that MonaVie has passed phase 1, 2, and 3 of the clinical trials &#8211; and give us the data for us to give it any weight.</p>
<p>If MonaVie really passed all three phases and then chose to decline the FDA approval, I would like confirmation from a MonaVie representative and press release.  Dallin Larsen should have mentioned it publicly as well as it would be HUGE news.</p>
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		<title>By: PurpleJuiceGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>PurpleJuiceGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tests have been run, and the results have been found - but in order to post the &#039;claim&#039; in the USA, you have to have the approval of a little Government organization known as the FDA... and once you have an FDA approval, they get to stick their crooked money-grubbing fingers into the mix and dictate what &#039;must be&#039; and what &#039;must not be&#039;in the formula - and there goes the purity, and there goes the effectiveness. 
How many times has the FDA approved a &#039;miracle&#039; only to have it pulled off the shelf later due to complications... those failures are often CAUSED by the FDA&#039;s Manditory modifications of those products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tests have been run, and the results have been found &#8211; but in order to post the &#8216;claim&#8217; in the USA, you have to have the approval of a little Government organization known as the FDA&#8230; and once you have an FDA approval, they get to stick their crooked money-grubbing fingers into the mix and dictate what &#8216;must be&#8217; and what &#8216;must not be&#8217;in the formula &#8211; and there goes the purity, and there goes the effectiveness.<br />
How many times has the FDA approved a &#8216;miracle&#8217; only to have it pulled off the shelf later due to complications&#8230; those failures are often CAUSED by the FDA&#8217;s Manditory modifications of those products.</p>
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