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		<title>By: Vogel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 17:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw, thanks guys! Glad to help, as always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, thanks guys! Glad to help, as always.</p>
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		<title>By: humiliated</title>
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		<dc:creator>humiliated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 15:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, you are right, I wouldn&#039;t want to mislead people with false information like SOME people we know!</description>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 14:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vogel, awesome research, analysis and summary regarding the patent question. It&#039;s been a while since I said it... Thanks for all you do and the time you invest to educate those looking for answers. 

Humiliated, as always thanks for bringing your experience and empathy to the conversation. I would like to suggest one correction if I may. You stated it is impossible to make money in this scheme. This technically is not accurate and could lead pro-Monavie folks to point to this as how little the haters on the Internet understand MLM. Rather than impossible I would say it is highly improbable to make money, as in less than 1% historically. It would also be accurate to say that if you are unfortunate enough to be one of the less than 1% who are cash flow positive it is only by inflicting losses of at least 20 times any profit earned upon your downline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vogel, awesome research, analysis and summary regarding the patent question. It&#8217;s been a while since I said it&#8230; Thanks for all you do and the time you invest to educate those looking for answers. </p>
<p>Humiliated, as always thanks for bringing your experience and empathy to the conversation. I would like to suggest one correction if I may. You stated it is impossible to make money in this scheme. This technically is not accurate and could lead pro-Monavie folks to point to this as how little the haters on the Internet understand MLM. Rather than impossible I would say it is highly improbable to make money, as in less than 1% historically. It would also be accurate to say that if you are unfortunate enough to be one of the less than 1% who are cash flow positive it is only by inflicting losses of at least 20 times any profit earned upon your downline.</p>
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		<title>By: humiliated</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-uses-earthfruits-mid-grade-acai-and-doesnt-harvest-or-freeze-dry-their-own/comment-page-3/#comment-39513</link>
		<dc:creator>humiliated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 00:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arg. Very good information Vogel...my head is spinning though! The company sucks at providing a nutritional beverage or business opportunity but they are amazing at spin doctoring!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arg. Very good information Vogel&#8230;my head is spinning though! The company sucks at providing a nutritional beverage or business opportunity but they are amazing at spin doctoring!</p>
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		<title>By: CGC</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-uses-earthfruits-mid-grade-acai-and-doesnt-harvest-or-freeze-dry-their-own/comment-page-3/#comment-39506</link>
		<dc:creator>CGC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 22:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good info Vogel. One obvious question is, how much of this supposedly super acai is in a bottle of MonaVie? It&#039;s a trade secret? Okay, approximately how much -- less 2%, 2-5%, 5-10%, 10-20%, more than that? Is there more freeze dried than acai pulp? Since no distributor can answer that vital question, even mentioning the existence of the patent is pointless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good info Vogel. One obvious question is, how much of this supposedly super acai is in a bottle of MonaVie? It&#8217;s a trade secret? Okay, approximately how much &#8212; less 2%, 2-5%, 5-10%, 10-20%, more than that? Is there more freeze dried than acai pulp? Since no distributor can answer that vital question, even mentioning the existence of the patent is pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: Vogel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 16:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t mind if I chime in on the patent question. At one time, Monavie used to claim that their juices contained â€œOpti-Acaiâ€, which refers to a particular formulation of freeze-dried acai powder patented (#7563465) by Alexander Schauss and Kenneth Murdock (DBA &quot;K2A Corp&quot; â€“ registered to a generic PO box in Springville, UT). 
http://r3gteam.homestead.com/Jeff_Graham_on_MonaVie.pdf 
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7563465.pdf 
http://wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2004084833&amp;IA=US2004008739&amp;DISPLAY=STATUS 

This form of acai powder (Opti-Acai) was used in 2 studies conducted and published by Schauss in 2006. The name Opti-Acai is a trademarked name owned by K2A.
http://www.trademarkia.com/optiacai-77600507.html 

Since roughly mid-2010, Monavie stopped claiming that the juices contain Opti-Acai and started claiming instead that the juices contain â€œAcaVieâ€, which they describe as follows:

â€œAÃ§aVieâ„¢ is an antioxidant packed ingredient that combines our patented aÃ§ai and juÃ§ara freeze-dried powder and puree with Enlivenoxâ„¢, a proprietary aÃ§ai compound boasting 10 times more polyphenols than traditional aÃ§ai.â€
http://www.monavie.com/products/health-juices/essential/facts 

â€œMonaVie now has a patented brand of acai; it&#039;s called AcaVie, and it&#039;s the most potent form of acai available anywhere in the world.â€
http://monaviemediacenter.com/news/a-new-generation-of-monaviefortified-juice-blends 

Note that â€œAcaVieâ€ refers to a trademarked brand name (owned by Monavie) -- NOT to a patented form of acai. I have found nothing in Monavie&#039;s recent advertising materials that refers to either Opti-Acai or the patent/trademark number for that particular ingredient. Note also that Monavie refers to &lt;b&gt;â€œourâ€&lt;/b&gt; patented acai and freeze-dried jucara powderâ€, which implies that they own the patent; however, this seems to be misleading since there is no evidence that Monavie ever owned any patent for any form of acai. 

Also relevant is the fact that the freeze-dried acai referred to in the Opti-Acai patent has a lower ORAC score that that which Monavie was claiming in their advertising materials.
See: http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-uses-earthfruits-mid-grade-acai-and-doesnt-harvest-or-freeze-dry-their-own/#comment-4662 

Incidentally, the company clearly lied in the past by claiming that they control every aspect of acai production from harvesting to bottling â€“ they clearly do not and never did.

In summary, it&#039;s not clear that Monavie is using a patented form of acai in their products, or that they ever did. And of course, even if they had, it wouldn&#039;t mean much. Monavie does not have exclusive rights to produce freeze-dried acai powder, and in fact, it&#039;s freely available from bulk suppliers in Brazil, some of which Monavie has used in the past to procure ingredients (eg, Liotecnica, based in Sao Paolo, Brazil). 

Furthermore, it appears that the main acai ingredient in Monavie juices is not freeze-dried acai powder but rather frozen citrate-preserved non-organic acai pulp/puree, which is also purchased from non-exclusive bulk suppliers in Brazil and shipped by slow freighter to the U.S. for blending. The inclusion of frozen acai  pulp/puree is at odds with Monavie&#039;s promotional claims that acai is essentially nutritionally useless unless it is immediately â€œfreeze-driedâ€ using â€œtheirâ€ patented process. 

And to top it all of, Monavie now spikes the juice with several exogenous vitamins, so in essence the nutritional contribution of the acai itself appears to be nil â€“ Monavie is now basically fruit punch with a cheap low-grade multivitamin added to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t mind if I chime in on the patent question. At one time, Monavie used to claim that their juices contained â€œOpti-Acaiâ€, which refers to a particular formulation of freeze-dried acai powder patented (#7563465) by Alexander Schauss and Kenneth Murdock (DBA &#8220;K2A Corp&#8221; â€“ registered to a generic PO box in Springville, UT).<br />
<a href="http://r3gteam.homestead.com/Jeff_Graham_on_MonaVie.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://r3gteam.homestead.com/Jeff_Graham_on_MonaVie.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7563465.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7563465.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2004084833&#038;IA=US2004008739&#038;DISPLAY=STATUS" rel="nofollow">http://wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2004084833&#038;IA=US2004008739&#038;DISPLAY=STATUS</a> </p>
<p>This form of acai powder (Opti-Acai) was used in 2 studies conducted and published by Schauss in 2006. The name Opti-Acai is a trademarked name owned by K2A.<br />
<a href="http://www.trademarkia.com/optiacai-77600507.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.trademarkia.com/optiacai-77600507.html</a> </p>
<p>Since roughly mid-2010, Monavie stopped claiming that the juices contain Opti-Acai and started claiming instead that the juices contain â€œAcaVieâ€, which they describe as follows:</p>
<p>â€œAÃ§aVieâ„¢ is an antioxidant packed ingredient that combines our patented aÃ§ai and juÃ§ara freeze-dried powder and puree with Enlivenoxâ„¢, a proprietary aÃ§ai compound boasting 10 times more polyphenols than traditional aÃ§ai.â€<br />
<a href="http://www.monavie.com/products/health-juices/essential/facts" rel="nofollow">http://www.monavie.com/products/health-juices/essential/facts</a> </p>
<p>â€œMonaVie now has a patented brand of acai; it&#8217;s called AcaVie, and it&#8217;s the most potent form of acai available anywhere in the world.â€<br />
<a href="http://monaviemediacenter.com/news/a-new-generation-of-monaviefortified-juice-blends" rel="nofollow">http://monaviemediacenter.com/news/a-new-generation-of-monaviefortified-juice-blends</a> </p>
<p>Note that â€œAcaVieâ€ refers to a trademarked brand name (owned by Monavie) &#8212; NOT to a patented form of acai. I have found nothing in Monavie&#8217;s recent advertising materials that refers to either Opti-Acai or the patent/trademark number for that particular ingredient. Note also that Monavie refers to <b>â€œourâ€</b> patented acai and freeze-dried jucara powderâ€, which implies that they own the patent; however, this seems to be misleading since there is no evidence that Monavie ever owned any patent for any form of acai. </p>
<p>Also relevant is the fact that the freeze-dried acai referred to in the Opti-Acai patent has a lower ORAC score that that which Monavie was claiming in their advertising materials.<br />
See: <a href="http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-uses-earthfruits-mid-grade-acai-and-doesnt-harvest-or-freeze-dry-their-own/#comment-4662" rel="nofollow">http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-uses-earthfruits-mid-grade-acai-and-doesnt-harvest-or-freeze-dry-their-own/#comment-4662</a> </p>
<p>Incidentally, the company clearly lied in the past by claiming that they control every aspect of acai production from harvesting to bottling â€“ they clearly do not and never did.</p>
<p>In summary, it&#8217;s not clear that Monavie is using a patented form of acai in their products, or that they ever did. And of course, even if they had, it wouldn&#8217;t mean much. Monavie does not have exclusive rights to produce freeze-dried acai powder, and in fact, it&#8217;s freely available from bulk suppliers in Brazil, some of which Monavie has used in the past to procure ingredients (eg, Liotecnica, based in Sao Paolo, Brazil). </p>
<p>Furthermore, it appears that the main acai ingredient in Monavie juices is not freeze-dried acai powder but rather frozen citrate-preserved non-organic acai pulp/puree, which is also purchased from non-exclusive bulk suppliers in Brazil and shipped by slow freighter to the U.S. for blending. The inclusion of frozen acai  pulp/puree is at odds with Monavie&#8217;s promotional claims that acai is essentially nutritionally useless unless it is immediately â€œfreeze-driedâ€ using â€œtheirâ€ patented process. </p>
<p>And to top it all of, Monavie now spikes the juice with several exogenous vitamins, so in essence the nutritional contribution of the acai itself appears to be nil â€“ Monavie is now basically fruit punch with a cheap low-grade multivitamin added to it.</p>
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		<title>By: humiliated</title>
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		<dc:creator>humiliated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 14:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UndecidedinOntario, do yourself a huge favour and read through these articles and the links to the Men&#039;s Journal article, the Wikepedia article etc. before you take any further steps. They will try to rush you into making a decision but educate &amp; investigate, just like you would before you embark on any business venture.

 It doesn&#039;t even matter that they have a patent (as MS says, it doesn&#039;t mean it makes the juice any more valuable) because the juice is not the nutritional bonanza that they tell you it is. The two shots per day is equal to ONE serving of fruit and is very low in anti-oxidants. 

Read the Wikipedia definition and the articles on this site, which will lead you to the Men&#039;s Journal articles, studies done etc.. These articles will also show you how it is impossible to make any money with this pyramid scheme. I am sure that you were shown an extremely complicated binary system which appears to be credible because it all seems so complicated. It ain&#039;t. It is a pyramid scheme dressed up like a complex, legitimate business model. 

Talk about this with a neutral third party who has a background in science...just don&#039;t accept what is being told to you without questioning it for yourself. Above all, don&#039;t accept the answers that you get from Monvie website or the people that invited you to the party. A lot of the distributors simply trusted the people that got them involved (like myself) who in turn trusted the people that got them involved etc. and they are all being fed the same load of marketing crap from Monavie Corporate. Don&#039;t fall prey to it!

I have learned so much about these &quot;juice companies&quot; (Monavie isn&#039;t the only one out there making all these false promises of health and wealth) through these sites and educating myself elsewhere. But I learned the hard way. I would love to stop someone else from wasting their hard earned money and time on this worthless juice and pyramid scheme!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UndecidedinOntario, do yourself a huge favour and read through these articles and the links to the Men&#8217;s Journal article, the Wikepedia article etc. before you take any further steps. They will try to rush you into making a decision but educate &amp; investigate, just like you would before you embark on any business venture.</p>
<p> It doesn&#8217;t even matter that they have a patent (as MS says, it doesn&#8217;t mean it makes the juice any more valuable) because the juice is not the nutritional bonanza that they tell you it is. The two shots per day is equal to ONE serving of fruit and is very low in anti-oxidants. </p>
<p>Read the Wikipedia definition and the articles on this site, which will lead you to the Men&#8217;s Journal articles, studies done etc.. These articles will also show you how it is impossible to make any money with this pyramid scheme. I am sure that you were shown an extremely complicated binary system which appears to be credible because it all seems so complicated. It ain&#8217;t. It is a pyramid scheme dressed up like a complex, legitimate business model. </p>
<p>Talk about this with a neutral third party who has a background in science&#8230;just don&#8217;t accept what is being told to you without questioning it for yourself. Above all, don&#8217;t accept the answers that you get from Monvie website or the people that invited you to the party. A lot of the distributors simply trusted the people that got them involved (like myself) who in turn trusted the people that got them involved etc. and they are all being fed the same load of marketing crap from Monavie Corporate. Don&#8217;t fall prey to it!</p>
<p>I have learned so much about these &#8220;juice companies&#8221; (Monavie isn&#8217;t the only one out there making all these false promises of health and wealth) through these sites and educating myself elsewhere. But I learned the hard way. I would love to stop someone else from wasting their hard earned money and time on this worthless juice and pyramid scheme!</p>
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		<title>By: MonaVie Scam</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonaVie Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 04:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but patents just mean that people can&#039;t use the process.  It doesn&#039;t mean that it&#039;s actually a good or the best process.  I wrote more about patents here: http://www.juicescam.com/acavie/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but patents just mean that people can&#8217;t use the process.  It doesn&#8217;t mean that it&#8217;s actually a good or the best process.  I wrote more about patents here: <a href="http://www.juicescam.com/acavie/" rel="nofollow">http://www.juicescam.com/acavie/</a></p>
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		<title>By: undecidedinOntario</title>
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		<dc:creator>undecidedinOntario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 03:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just a quest at one of Monavie&#039;s meetings...do they really have a patent for the freezing /harvesting process??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just a quest at one of Monavie&#8217;s meetings&#8230;do they really have a patent for the freezing /harvesting process??</p>
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		<title>By: CollegeFreshman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CollegeFreshman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that the EarthFruits website is down (www.earthfruits.com). It says it is changing to EcoFruits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that the EarthFruits website is down (www.earthfruits.com). It says it is changing to EcoFruits.</p>
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