I’ve seen MLMs break up friends, families, churches, and even (legitimate) businesses… they use sophistical arguments that seem to appeal people who are a certain sub-class of the working poor, naive/well intentioned (read “dumb”) but bored retired people, and a wide range of college educated “A-type” personalities who think they are too smart to be taken in by scams(and cults).

After suckered people are in the fold with “your Dreams are more important than anything” and “No one is looking out for you” kool-aid, they’ll spend way too much money getting strung out on the “necessary” marketing tools and workshops while sitting on a garage full of product. Then the bills start coming due, and because they’ve convinced themselves that they are the only ones to blame for not being in the tiny percentage of the reps who “stick with it” and make millions, stress begins to build up in their relationships with everyone who used to matter to them but who won’t enable the MLM habit and keep buying the product or sign up under them.

They lie to their friends and family about their success to lure them to special “conference call” meetings where an “exciting, exclusive announcement will be made that will change everything.” Then when their friends loose patience with the broken record that the person has become, they start calling old friends and pretending to want to hang out with them, just to get them to sales pitch meetings.

tangent– Those calls are not unlike the calls from old friends who are now in 12-steps, and pretend to want to be interested in you, but really only want to apologize for the stupid shit they did when they were using; they bring up the old times, start making you think about it again, then just when you start getting mad about it all over again, they apologize, blame it on using, and expect you to just accept it. They really don’t care about you, what they did to you, or whether their apology is warranted/accepted–they just want to feel good about themselves…like they did when they were using! –sorry…tangent over.

Movavie is likely the same toxic crap that is marketed in all the different shapes and forms that is the US consumer’s pathetic marketplace…it really doesn’t matter. If it weren’t juice, it would be magic beans, or magic make-up, or magic cleaning supplies… but as you have found out with this website, people are going to take any exposition of lies involved with the marketing of a MLM product Personally… “you are just jealous!” “your disgruntled and don’t have ‘what it takes’ to make it”.

In reality, these people have very little in their lives that don’t revolve around something lacking in themselves that they’ve been convinced will only be fulfilled with the “millions of dollars” they “deserve.”

I commend you for this site! I have one other piece of advice to take or leave… I read Glenn Siesser’s threats (“People are watching you, following you and marking you. You game will soon come to an end so hopefully you will be smart enough to drop your curtains before they are dropped for you.”) and was immediately struck with the suspicion that he is referring to “gang stalking” or “cause stalking.”

If you haven’t heard of this tactic, PLEASE look into it for your own safety and sanity. It is a very simple concept, a group of like-minded individuals (perhaps affiliated with business clubs or ‘activist’ church groups) is told a lies about a potential victim like “they have a history of pedophilia in the town they moved from;” and out a sense of mis-guided ‘duty’ to what is “right”, these people are convinced that in order ensure that the victim doesn’t offend again, they need to follow, disrupt, and antagonize the victim anonymously.

The point of the activity being: if the victim tries to report suspicious activities, police (who may be in on the group) dismiss the charges as Paranoid-Schizophrenic babble; while the various seemingly unrelated but strange things the group does to the person can range from innocuous hang-up phone calls and juvenile pranks (delivery of 50 pizzas) to dangerous car following/menacing and electronic harassment.

There are similar stories of this type of stalking from activists, whistle-blowers, and individuals involved in nasty divorces/custody disputes ALL OVER THE COUNTRY! There is even pretty credible evidence linking the activities of these types of groups to CIA/FBI spooks who cannot legally engage in the behavior on american soil directly. Here is a link to a page in which the author tries to inform through a series of comics. http://www.targcomics.net/

If you are really effecting the bottom line of the profit makers involved with this mlm scam/cult, then you need to be aware of lengths sickos will go to protect that which they perceive as what they “deserve.”

Good Luck! Thanks for your work!

Much of the material contained in TEAM’s personal and leadership development program can be obtained for free from your local library.

In addition, as Vogel and others have pointed out, you can purchase MonaVie Active inexpensively from eBay.

Let me begin by paying my respect to you for posting your ID# without having to be prompted, and for apologizing on Rick’s behalf. I wish more distributors would follow that example instead of applauding such boorish behavior.

Rasheed said: “…in response to Heather: That’s great that MonaVie may have cured your nerve damage. However, you can’t say that MonaVie itself was the sole cure for your nerve damage.”

Hmm…that response is not good enough. First, I think it’s quite safe to say that Monavie did not cure Heather’s nerve damage. Second, it’s not that she can’t say Monavie was the “sole” cause; it is illegal for her to even claim that Monavie in any way even remotely contributed to her recovery from nerve damage. Lastly, you shouldn’t be saying that there is anything “great” about her claim. It’s a prohibited claim. A Monavie distributor has no business even mentioning nerve damage.

Rasheed said: “Third, in response to mysterious’s mysterious post, use the enter key, the shift key, and spell check. Then maybe people will read your posts. As for right now, I’m just not going to take you seriously.”

I understand how you feel; bad grammar and poor proofing often annoys me too. However, Mysterious, as others have pointed out, apologized upfront for this, and since doing so, has been a sincere, heartfelt, and interesting contributor to this forum. You haven’t built up enough credibility here yet to be taking a shot like that – it’s bad netiquette and a bit of a bully tactic in this case. It’s not a huge deal, but thought you could use a friendly reminder.

Rasheed said: “I’ve been a distributor for about a year. I’ve made about $40 in the past year. Why? Because I haven’t put much effort into it. I’ve been busy with school and work, so I haven’t been sharing the opportunity with other people. I have no experience with sales or marketing so I took the first year to acquire training. I have no intentions of leaving MonaVie.”

Well, you are assuming that the reason you only made $40 was due to a lack of effort, but in fact, it is highly unlikely that the rewards from being a Monavie distributor would ever be commensurate with your efforts. In the U.S., most distributors earn far less than the federal minimum wage. If you’re doing your homework, then there is no reason to stay with Monavie, unless you think that it’s OK to sacrifice one’s ethics (i.e. selling a worthless, illegally-marketed product from a corrupt organization). Since you’ve already spent (wasted) time training over the past year and only have $40 to show for it, you are already operating at a net loss. You should strongly consider cutting your losses now before you waste any more of your valuable time.

Rasheed said: “Now, concerning health benefits of MonaVie. I am not a scientist nor have I done much research on MonaVie. However, I do know from Paul Zane Pilzer’s book The Next Trillion, that some effects simply cannot be attributed to a cause with science… yet. Sometimes we simply lack the technology to prove that something works.”

But what you said does not in any way even remotely relate to the issue of health benefits. Pilzner is not a scientist; he’s an economist. There is nothing about Monavie that I am aware of that cannot be addressed through science. We have done extensive analyses of the pertinent information already; you’ve even gone so far as to acknowledge this point and even expressed your gratitude that we did this research. The sheer volume of evidence on the table attesting to Monavie’s lack of value (nutritionally and financially) makes your comment appear dishonest; why quote Pilzner when the obvious scientific facts are staring you in the face? And it’s especially surprising that you admit to not having done much research, even though you also stated that you’ve been training to sell the product for the past year. You are clearly studying the wrong material

Rasheed said: “Prior to starting MonaVie, I had carpal tunnel syndrome, diagnosed by a doctor. It hurt a lot and I had to wear a brace almost 24/7, and I had to choose to either have surgery on my wrist or just wear the brace. I chose the brace because I hate surgery. After I joined MonaVie, I started drinking the Active, because it contains glucosamine which I’ve heard is good for the joints. After drinking the recommended amount every day for a month, I noticed that the pain was beginning to subside…About 3 months ago, I lost my job and so I was unable to continue buying product. Shortly after that, the pains began to return, and I had to wear the brace again. Now, I understand that MonaVie Active is a food beverage and I cannot claim that it “cured” my carpal tunnel syndrome. I’m merely listing the facts and chronology: I had wrist pains. I drank MonaVie Active. Wrist pains stopped. I stopped drinking Active. Wrist pains resumed. It is entirely possible that there is some other factor that influenced my carpal tunnel syndrome, such as the weather, or humidity, or time of day, or whatever. There are tons of factors. But I leave the conclusion up to you guys.”

I included that portion of your comment almost in its entirety because it is a perfect example of an implied medical claim, which is strictly prohibited. You aren’t allowed to use such testimonials and you aren’t allowed to imply that Monavie had a therapeutic effect on carpal tunnel or any other medical condition. It’s that simple. It’s illegal, so don’t do it. It really annoys me that you’ve been with the company for a year and yet you still don’t observe such a basic rule of the business. So tell me this, and please don’t avoid the question – who should we blame? Someone deserves to be blamed, and it’s you, your upline, or the company. So where would you like to place the responsibility Rasheed. Will you step up and shoulder it personally or pass the buck?

Rasheed said: “Anyway, what I wanted to point out was that you have an entire support team that is throwing people under you. I currently have a downline of around 50 people, but I don’t get commissioned because a) I’m not active and b) my lesser leg consists of 0 PV.”

But you only get paid on your weak leg, so if they are throwing people on the other leg, it doesn’t help you one bit. That’s not support; it’s window dressing.

Rasheed said: “But over the past few months of reading books and associating with my leaders, I’ve learned that those excuses won’t get me anywhere. They won’t help me attain my dreams and goals of having a secure family. Instead, they just give me a reason to stay comfortably numb.”

Rasheed, I highly recommend that you stay the hell away from associating with these so-called ‘leaders’ and from reading the type of books that they are likely to spoon-feed you. It sounds like they have already done a thorough job of brainwashing you and bringing you into a very destructive mode of thinking. If your goal is to have a secure family, then Monavie is the last thing you should be considering. It’s not excuses that keep people from succeeding in Monavie. The barrier to success is built into this pyramid scheme from the start. Furthermore, you’re faced with the near-impossible task of marketing an essentially worthless product which sells for an outrageously high price; is widely known as having poor nutritional content; is sold using unethical and illegal marketing practices; and is associated with a company of ill repute; not to mention that it sells on E-Bay for less than the price you can buy it for wholesale. Stop blaming yourself for lack of success and simply channel your efforts into something that is reputable and offers a reasonable chance of paying dividends. You’re obviously already smart enough to make money – you don’t need Monavie to be successful — but your intelligence is wasted if you choose to victimize others and to throw your lot in with a bunch of blatant thieves and conmen.

Rasheed said: “You guys may think MonaVie’s product is a scam, and that’s fine–given the evidence you guys have, you guys have every right to believe so. However, it goes beyond just the product, in my opinion. With their partnership with TEAM, I believe they have created a way for people to grow themselves personally and find a way out of the 45-year plan most people are stuck in.”

It sounds like what you’re saying is that you realize that what we are saying is correct and valid, and yet you’re going to sell Monavie anyway because you think it will be lucrative to do so. If that’s the case, then just call a spade a spade and admit that you think it’s OK to lie and/or cheat people out of their money. And if you do admit it, I’ll have a lot more respect for you than I do for these other distributors who lie and cheat but pretend that they are doing mankind a favor. Some people just seem to have a Social Darwinist view in which it’s OK for the strong to prey on the weak. I don’t agree with this kind of thinking – I believe that it is the responsibility of the strong to protect the weak rather than to feast on them. But that’s a philosophical difference; I at least have some measure of respect for those who are honest enough to admit that they hold this POV.

Rasheed said: “Perhaps this comment was outside the scope of the post. I apologize for that. But I feel like I have to do something so that the readers of this blog don’t think that all MonaVie distributors are bumbling idiots (I know at least some readers do, based on some comments I’ve read).”

No need to apologize for that. Quite clearly, your comments are given more respect than those of most other distributors. Nonetheless it has done nothing to change my view that the overwhelming majority of distributors are in fact bumbling idiots (greedy, dishonest, destructive, bumbling idiots actually). There may also be a few that aren’t bumbling idiots who are just ruthless cunning liars and fraud artists, but from what I’ve seen, even the shrewdest of people involved in the company still qualify as bumbling idiots.

Rasheed said: “Perhaps some readers of this comment will think that I’m the very bumbling idiot I speak out against. However, I’ve spoken out against no one in specific (except for Rick, because his comments sort of annoy me), and I have been nothing but truthful…Hopefully this comment will open some eyes… and if not, hopefully Rick will stop sounding immature at the very least.”

I don’t think you’re a bumbling idiot at all. I think you’re quite bright; in fact, far too bright to be trifling with Monavie. It wasn’t our eyes that were in need of opening; on the contrary, I hope that you learned a few things, particularly with regard to NEVER making illegal marketing claims about the product. Even though your claims were far from being the most egregious, if they don’t stop in general, the company runs a very real risk of being shut down without further notice. It happened to Dallin Larceny’s Royal Tongan Limu and it could just as easily happen to Monavie. Don’t build your hopes and dreams on a pit of quicksand.

You talk about not being a scientist and that the contributing members on this site have done their homework. How is it that you can know what you know (now) and still think you are justified in selling this crap to unsuspecting victims, just so you can get out of the 45 year plan? You are getting out of the 45 year plan by sucking people INTO the 45 year plan by taking their hard earned money for a very substandard product! At the very least, do some of your own independant research (or get one of your scientist buddies to take a look at the data/studies). It sounds like your moral compass points north and you are capable of critical thinking. Look into this product further. Do not accept what Monavie Corporate tells you. Dig deeper.

Finally, the motivational books out there tell you that you need to do something that you truly believe in and feel passionate about, and don’t take no for an answer (I have read them all). But, they also say you must proceed with integrity and honesty. This company contains neither of these elements.

That is one of the most well articulated comments this website has seen. As such, I wanted to wait until I could respond to approve it. (First-time commenters automatically get put in the moderation queue.)

If readers of this blog believe that MonaVie distributors are bumbling idiots, it is only because they repeat the information that MonaVie gives them without doing research. And of course, MonaVie, and the distributor’s upline, is feeding them a pile of tenth-truths (can’t even call them half-truths). Even when spoon-feed the research to them, they ignore it and give a response that doesn’t adhere to any kind of logic known to man (in general).

I have the following things to say about your comment:

1. Mysterious knows he’s not the best writer… he’s mentioned it many, many times. I can tell he is an auditory thinker like myself, as he often confuses words like hear/here and weather/whether. These are the kinds of mistakes I make myself unless I’m really paying attention. If you read his comments as if he were talking to you, it definitely makes sense and you can tell that he “gets it”, which is something that most distributors do not. Final note on mysterious is that spell check isn’t going to help the typos of hear/here and weather/whether.

2. You mention “Now, concerning health benefits of MonaVie. I am not a scientist nor have I done much research on MonaVie.” It is completely shocking that one would sign up to be a distributor of a product that they didn’t research. It essentially makes the entirety of your comment invalid.

3. You mention Paul Zane Pilzer… this is a person that has disproportionate attention in the MonaVie world. You could pull a Jay Leno and ask 100 people on the street who he is and I doubt you’d have 2 people with a clue. Yet if you ask 100 MonaVie distributors, I bet 25 would know who he is. His biography on Wikipedia currently has three warnings about unreliable sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Zane_Pilzer. So I would suggest, you not put too much into “some effects simply cannot be attributed to a cause with science… yet. Sometimes we simply lack the technology to prove that something works.” Unless you want to buy some pills that repel bear attacks from my friend Lattimore. No one who has taken them has been attacked by a bear yet, so they work… we can just say lack the technology to prove it. Right?

4. You can’t state your own experience with MonaVie as you have stated it. You might want review both MonaVie and the FTC’s guidelines about testimonials being “subject to typical results” here: http://monaviemediacenter.com/blogs/5-tips-every-monavie-distributor-needs-to-know-about-the-new-ftc-guidelines/. MonaVie is not approved by the FDA to treat, cure, or prevent carpal tunnel and you can’t imply (as you did) that it does. This is one of the failings of MonaVie. It doesn’t educate people about this policy… and why would they, it would hurt sales of their own product.

5. When you say that there are tons of factors like humidity, weather, time of day or whatever, but “leave the conclusion up to us”, it is very much implying that it could only be MonaVie. You failed to mention the most likely conclusion: MonaVie is a Placebo.

6. You then went into a long explanation of the business and TEAM. Included in that you said, “The person directly above you probably isn’t even the person who sponsored you. Chances are, you won’t know the person directly beneath you. I didn’t. And I still don’t.” That sounds to me like TEAM is scamming MonaVie. It doesn’t make sense that you are getting credit for people you didn’t sponsor and people you sponsor are being credited to you. From your explanation of “tap-root” it sounds like TEAM is even stacking the deck so that legs are unnaturally balanced. It sounds possible that those distributors not involved with TEAM are at an even bigger disadvantage. As we see, even without that disadvantage, 99% of distributors are losing money: http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-is-embarrassed-by-their-income-disclosure-statement-2/. Even with TEAM, it is clear that this is not a business opportunity worth pursuing.

7. When you say, “…over the past few months of reading books and associating with my leaders, I’ve learned that those excuses won’t get me anywhere. They won’t help me attain my dreams and goals of having a secure family.” This is what your upline is supposed to do… It’s essentially typical motivational talk. There’s nothing wrong with that in general. However, there are a lot of things to be motivated to do… and selling a drink that you haven’t researched sounds below your intelligence. Recruiting people to sell a drink that you haven’t researched is even worse.

8. Building on the quote above, MonaVie is not a way to achieve a goal of having a secure family… at least not a financially secure family. Remember that Dallin Larsen’s last company, Royal Tongan Limu, was shut down due to misleading and illegal claims about the health benefits of the juice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Tongan_Limu. If you joined that organization way back when, you’d be stuck without a distribution system or a product to sell… which is not financially secure situation. MonaVie is definitely heading down that path… you are proof with your own misleading claim about the health benefits of MonaVie Active.

First and foremost, I would like to apologize on behalf of Rick. I have no idea who he is but I can tell you guys now that with the attitude he has, he won’t be going anywhere far anytime soon.

Second, in response to Heather: That’s great that MonaVie may have cured your nerve damage. However, you can’t say that MonaVie itself was the sole cure for your nerve damage.

Third, in response to mysterious’s mysterious post, use the enter key, the shift key, and spell check. Then maybe people will read your posts. As for right now, I’m just not going to take you seriously.

I’ve been a distributor for about a year. I’ve made about $40 in the past year. Why? Because I haven’t put much effort into it. I’ve been busy with school and work, so I haven’t been sharing the opportunity with other people. I have no experience with sales or marketing so I took the first year to acquire training. I have no intentions of leaving MonaVie.

Now, concerning health benefits of MonaVie. I am not a scientist nor have I done much research on MonaVie. However, I do know from Paul Zane Pilzer’s book The Next Trillion, that some effects simply cannot be attributed to a cause with science… yet. Sometimes we simply lack the technology to prove that something works.

I’m not denying the research and lab results that you guys have performed/had performed. In fact, I’m a bit grateful because we need more people like you doing research on “The Next Big Things” instead of having mindless drones follow propaganda and the media.

The following is not to discredit anyone’s research or anything. This is merely my own experience with MonaVie.

Prior to starting MonaVie, I had carpal tunnel syndrome, diagnosed by a doctor. It hurt a lot and I had to wear a brace almost 24/7, and I had to choose to either have surgery on my wrist or just wear the brace. I chose the brace because I hate surgery.

After I joined MonaVie, I started drinking the Active, because it contains glucosamine which I’ve heard is good for the joints.

After drinking the recommended amount every day for a month, I noticed that the pain was beginning to subside. I figured it was because the brace was correcting something or something, I didn’t know. But I took the brace off after a while, and it still did not hurt.

About 3 months ago, I lost my job and so I was unable to continue buying product. Shortly after that, the pains began to return, and I had to wear the brace again.

Now, I understand that MonaVie Active is a food beverage and I cannot claim that it “cured” my carpal tunnel syndrome. I’m merely listing the facts and chronology: I had wrist pains. I drank MonaVie Active. Wrist pains stopped. I stopped drinking Active. Wrist pains resumed.

It is entirely possible that there is some other factor that influenced my carpal tunnel syndrome, such as the weather, or humidity, or time of day, or whatever. There are tons of factors. But I leave the conclusion up to you guys.

On a different note; I saw on another post someone commenting on the compensation plan and that it would require one to recruit 26 people in order to break even every month, or something along those lines.

Respectfully, I would like to point out that this is how a person who is in business by himself would build the business. However, if somebody got you to sign up, chances are that they are actively building their business. As such, the next person they get to sign up goes under you. And the next person they get to sign up goes under that person, also under you. So you got two people under you without doing anything. Do you get paid anything? Just the first order bonus of the first person who signed up under you. You don’t get paid any commissions because you only get paid based on your lesser leg.

Now, MonaVie does not really provide many tips on how distributors can effectively build two downlines at the same time. However, TEAM has, and I’m sure a few of you guys have heard of it: it’s called Power Player.

When you get started, you have a whole bunch of people above you. The person directly above you probably isn’t even the person who sponsored you. Chances are, you won’t know the person directly beneath you. I didn’t. And I still don’t. But he got me forty bucks so I’m not complaining :P

Anyway, what I wanted to point out was that you have an entire support team that is throwing people under you. I currently have a downline of around 50 people, but I don’t get commissioned because a) I’m not active and b) my lesser leg consists of 0 PV.

The way TEAM recommends doing it is that each new member puts two new people under the long chain, this is called the “tap root.” The leaders work with the new people and get them to get two new people each into the tap root.

After getting the two new people in, you start your second leg. You encourage them to put two new people into the tap root–however, this time, the tap root is your lesser leg. So when they put two new people in, your lesser leg effectively grows to three people. Lets say they’re on minimum requirement to be active–you’re making an additional $30 a month.

If you have good taste in people and the first person in your second leg happens to be a really effective leader, and he gets two people in the tap root, and trains those people to get two people each, you could just sit back and relax knowing that your business is perpetuating. Chances of that happening? Almost zero.

On a more practical scale, you sponsor one person. Let’s say you can sponsor another person. That person goes under the first person in your second leg, so you have two people. All you need to do is train them to get two people each into their tap root, and they can start their second legs.

Of course, this is all ideal–some people never get their two people in. Some people–no, MOST people–phase out. But some people stay in, and help your business perpetuate. Let’s just say all the people you sponsor happen to be people who don’t want to sponsor anyone else. The maximum number of people you would need to sponsor in order to break even would be 15–13 + 2 people from the tap root. And this is worst case scenario, assuming each of the 13 people in your lesser leg just so happen to be unable to sponsor anyone for some reason. Typically? I can’t say. But it doesn’t take long for most people.

One may ask, “then why haven’t you done it?” to me. My excuse used to be “because I’m new.” Then my excuse was “I’m a college student, and I only know broke college students.”

But over the past few months of reading books and associating with my leaders, I’ve learned that those excuses won’t get me anywhere. They won’t help me attain my dreams and goals of having a secure family. Instead, they just give me a reason to stay comfortably numb. But now I’m changing. The best time to change was years ago. The second best time is now.

You guys may think MonaVie’s product is a scam, and that’s fine–given the evidence you guys have, you guys have every right to believe so. However, it goes beyond just the product, in my opinion. With their partnership with TEAM, I believe they have created a way for people to grow themselves personally and find a way out of the 45-year plan most people are stuck in.

Perhaps this comment was outside the scope of the post. I apologize for that. But I feel like I have to do something so that the readers of this blog don’t think that all MonaVie distributors are bumbling idiots (I know at least some readers do, based on some comments I’ve read)

Perhaps some readers of this comment will think that I’m the very bumbling idiot I speak out against. However, I’ve spoken out against no one in specific (except for Rick, because his comments sort of annoy me), and I have been nothing but truthful. Many people may just gloss over this comment, paying no heed to it’s content, but I don’t blame them. It is a rather long comment. But I think some people just have a misunderstanding, both distributors and skeptics alike. Hopefully this comment will open some eyes… and if not, hopefully Rick will stop sounding immature at the very least.

formula or quenching thirst, i dont believe this is a big issue, even though scam is right on all aspects, but always for me price is alote to do with the whole issue, and everyone talks about the cost being 145 and then says add shipping, but no one adds in the tax, anyways for me a year just for one person it cost $2,104.00 and thats for the monavie pulse or active, at 145 dollars a case and 7% for shipping, i have even been charges more, but then tax for me in nb canada is 13%. so thats not just the 1740 dollars with out the s/h and taxes thats 4 hundred in the differance, im sure i could buy alote of healthier juice out there for that money. such as v8 fusion and others i now drink, thansk scam for the info over the time i been reading your site. and so for me the price is whats more when it comes to argueing over things. but if you were to compare taste over thirst, i believe thirst quenching takes over, because would you rather enjoy something tasting good or feel good after you drink it, not hours later but right away because your thirst is satasifyed, for me i prefer thirst, and i also love coca-cola which is a win win, and because coke-zero doesnt do anygood for you but it doesnt do any bad as much as before you r not adding so many sugars to your system, may be fake sugar added to sweeten it, but when you say monavie juice is all natural juice and no added sugar because its natural, you still gatta consider its sugar and it doesnt matter in which form or where its from, its all doing the same thing in your body and there for has no matter to why its good for u. anyways i prefer coka-cola over monavie, but healthier juice i go for v8 fusion and apple juice and oj, anything cheapier then monavie with shown tests to be healthier. hate my post or want me to burn in hell for what i say but i know my self that im right on my opinion and say what ya want about me but i love my self now that i am not selling or taking part in monavie events or pretending to be friends with my upline when clearly they only want to talk business and not to come over for a bbq just because they were in the area, or hey want to go for a coffee, some friends, only wantg you to make them righ n they dont do a good job teaching you, well im going off topic or tthis whole comment may be off tipic, but i cant seem to go back far enough to find all of scams topics only a few months back, so i just write close as i can find.