MonaVie, Secret Formulas, and Coca-Cola

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When I ask How Much Acai is in MonaVie, I’ve heard a few MonaVie proponents say that it’s a secret formula. They then suggest that like Coca-Cola, they shouldn’t have to give up their proprietary information. At first glance, this appears to be a sound argument. However, upon inspection it seems to fall apart.

Why does the comparison of MonaVie to Coca-Cola fall apart? Here are the main reasons:

  • Coke is Thirst Quenching – While MonaVie may bill itself as a beverage company, I don’t know anyone who drinks 1 ounce of a beverage unless it’s significantly alcoholic. The standard can of a beverage in the US is 12 ounces and a bottle is 16 ounces. A serving of Coke quenches thirst… a serving of MonaVie does not. The two products have completely different purposes.
  • MonaVie’s a “Health” Product – I put the “Health” in quotes there because MonaVie lacks nutrition. MonaVie’s claim is that it’s “star ingredient” acai is extremely healthy. To verify that MonaVie’s product is serving its stated purpose we need to know how much of that “star ingredient” is in it. We verify Coke’s thirst-quenching ability by the label of ounces on the can or bottle. You wouldn’t pay $5 for an unknown quantity of Coca-Cola, would you? That’s essentially what you do with MonaVie.
  • Coke is Much, Much, Cheaper than MonaVie – I can buy 288 ounces of Coke (24 of the 12 ounce cans) for about $6. The same amount of MonaVie Active retails for $518. Consumers should demand more of a product that is priced at $518 than one that is priced at $6. If MonaVie decides to price their product within 30% of Coca-Cola’s cost (instead of 86,333% more) there is less of an expectation for MonaVie to prove its value.

In the end, it is pretty clear to see how bad the comparison of MonaVie and Coca-Cola is. They have more difference than similarities. The comparison to Coca-Cola actually supports why many people are skeptical of MonaVie. Two things become quite obvious: 1) MonaVie is really expensive and 2) There is little or no information that shows MonaVie helps improve health. Those two conclusions don’t bode well for MonaVie or it’s distributors.

Originally posted 2010-02-17 10:35:20. Republished by Blog Post Promoter

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40 Responses to “MonaVie, Secret Formulas, and Coca-Cola”
  1. mysteryegg Says:

    I think it’s interesting that MonaVie was compared to CocaCola in a positive light. I would imagine anybody interested in drinking MonaVie would certainly not be interested in drinking soda. Sodas often have the side effect of caffeine dehydration, meaning any “thirst quenching” effect is little more than the superficial sensation of drinking, and will leave your body even less hydrated, just as with alcoholic beverages.

    I don’t see much problem in terms of the nutritional value of monavie. Fruit puree is not as good as eating the fresh fruit, but the concentration of antioxidants in the MonaVie blend (regardless of the formula’s ratios)should be just as good if not better than most fruit juices available. The problem is all in the serving size.

    By claiming a very small serving size, MonaVie can give the impression that each serving does not cost significantly more than the competition. Of course, the consumer then has to be exposed to an absurd amount of marketing to be convinced to overlook the fact that the nutritional value of an indivicual serving is a fraction of what a “typical” (much larger) serving of a competing fruit blend would provide.

  2. MonaVie Scam Says:

    It’s important to not confuse the satiating of one’s thirst with total body hydration.

    I know many people who drink coffee as their only source of hydration when they wake up. Coffee typically has twice the caffeine as soda and there are sodas out there (Diet Sprite for example) with no caffeine. I think the net-effect of drinking something that is mostly 12 ounces of water more than balances out the amount of dehydration due to caffeine, but I’ll let the experts way in on that.

    Either way, I think almost anyone would agree that after playing two hours of basketball, you’d prefer the thirst-quenching of 12 ounces of soda (again, mostly water), than 1 ounce (the serving size listed on the bottle) of MonaVie. I imagine most would even reach for a ice-cold beer before an ounce of MonaVie – thinking that they’ll replenish the hydration later.

    I agree with you on the serving size issue. Maybe 8 ounces of MonaVie is as nutritious as 8 ounces of Cranberry juice. In fact, I think that’s is what is going on with the Men’s Journal / Chromadex tests. They may be comparing 8 ouces of other juices to MonaVie’s 1 ounce. If that’s the case, and MonaVie comes up short (as they did), well MonaVie should consider changing their serving size. The problem with that is the marketing gets a lot more difficult. The 8 ounce serving would retail for around $14. The amount of vitamin K would be off the charts (and possibly a huge danger to anyone on Warfarin). Everything would fall apart. It’s easier to try to pretend that 1 ounce of MonaVie is as good as 8 ounces of other juice and brainwash people to convince themselves, friends, and family of the same.

  3. Food Tech in CA Says:

    Exactly. Serving size always has to be taken into account. What is the total number of milligrams of a substance consumed?

    In the case of a juice or soda, increasing the serving size also means that you increase the amount of sugars consumed. So, it all has to be looked at carefully.

    MonaVie, of course, wants the individual to think of the product as a medical treatment. This is why they have directions on how to drink it (1 to 2 oz. twice daily). Does that sound like something that you’d see on a beverage? They could have replaced 1 to 2 oz. with 4 oz. twice daily. Wouldn’t make a bit of difference to the alleged effectiveness of the product, since it doesn’t do anything for you anyway.

    The real issue is the cost. How gullible are the distributors? How much will they pay?

    Drinking 8 oz. would cost well over $10 a day. or $3600 per year per person.

    This is an incredibly cost ineffective way of getting antioxidants.

    One of the pros of drinking a soda or beer if you’re thirsty, is that the carbonation tends to cleanse the mouth of the “yuck film” that builds up. Otherwise, water is the best.

  4. Kyle Says:

    even if it were true, that they wish to keep secret their formula, they cannot then expect people to buy their argument that “this contains more acai and antioxidants than a competitor…etc”.

    Despite the fact Coca-cola has a secret formula, it’s not hard to find how much sugar and caffeine is in it. (you know, the stuff that matters)

  5. Food Tech in CA Says:

    Good point, Kyle. If a label said “less fat”, it lists the fat. If it said “more protein”, it lists the protein. If they want to brag, then we’ll expect numbers to back it up.

  6. Rick Says:

    Lol at you nerds…….You got nothing better to do than Bash Monavie? Why don’t you guys get inside the company before you bash it? Go to some meetings meet the people try it out for 3-6 months then offer your opinion

  7. Food Tech in CA Says:

    Rick, we already know more about the product than you ever will. What possible reason would I have to throw away money on an over-priced fruit punch? Is that your best sales pitch? Tell you what. You buy my miracle spring water for $100 a bottle and I’ll buy your MonaVie for 6 months at $45 a bottle.

  8. Rick Says:

    FoodTech you know nothing about the product or the opportunity……….Your just a disgruntled dork………

    You gonna keep using your gay apple compared to monavie theory? What about The Pulse product? You know how many people it has helped with their Cholesterol? How about the M-mun if you think that product is garbage than you are str8 lost. How about Emv a quality healthy energy drink? While other energy drinks like Redbull and Monster appeal to the masses they are str8 garbage for you……….

  9. Vogel Says:

    If you keep this up Rick, I think your posts will start getting deleted. You aren’t bringing anything to the table, and gay-bashing certainly won’t help your case. Shape up or ship out.

  10. tried it Says:

    I just thought I would share my experience with MonaVie. I used it for 5 months and was then diagnosed with cancer. So it definitely is not a miracle drink. As I read through these comments and those from this sites predecessor and have to say that I don’t see any reason to buy MonaVie. Simple evidence is all that is required. A company that is making millions off it’s wonder product can afford to have an unbias test conducted like the one mentioned in Men’s Journal. Thanks for the interesting discuss with the exception of the rude comments from the MonaVie supporters.

  11. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Rick, you are obviously ignorant of FoodTech’s analysis and his background. I suggest you spend some time reading his comments here. He shows a great degree of knowledge where you seem to bring name-calling and gay-bashing to the table. If you think this reflects well on you, you are mistaken. It also reflects poorly on MonaVie.

    Next time you might try to use logic and reason to explain why MonaVie is better than an apple (despite the fact that an apple clearly seems better).

    As for MonaVie Pulse, you might want to check out the home page – http://www.juicescam.com/, and the section listed MonaVie Pulse and Lowering Cholesterol. The quick summary is that you can get more the cholesterol fighting plant stanols at 1/88th the cost of MonaVie.

    As for Mmun, look elsewhere on this site. The touted ingredient, Wellmune, can be had for very, very cheap and it’s effectiveness is debatable. And you really don’t want to bring up Paul Clayton as he came to this site, basically made a fool of himself, and was shown to not be a reputable doctor. (In fact, he’s a pharmacist, just like my wife and her 25 pharmacist friends that laugh about MonaVie.)

  12. Food Tech in CA Says:

    Rick wrote: “FoodTech you know nothing about the product or the opportunity……….Your just a disgruntled dork”

    **I’m not disgruntled.

    Rick wrote: “You gonna keep using your gay apple compared to monavie theory?”

    **I don’t think it matters if the apple is gay or not, but it certainly has a higher ORAC value than 2 1/2 days worth of MonaVie. (USDA ORAC Table).

    Rick writes: “The Pulse product? You know how many people it has helped with their Cholesterol?”

    **Zero

    He writes: “How about the M-mun if you think that product is garbage than you are str8 lost.”

    **Make up your mind, am I str8 or gay?”

    Rick writes: “While other energy drinks like Redbull and Monster appeal to the masses they are str8 garbage for you……….”

    **EMV contains caffeine from green tea, guarana, and yerba mate. Yerba mate is a possible carcinogen. EMV contains 22 grams of sugars per 8.4 oz. EMV has 170 calories per serving. What makes it any better than other energy drinks. You are str8 uninformed.

  13. Rick Says:

    So we should take food tech’s test who has an obvious agenda against Monavie and believe that?

    So just cuz your pill has plant sterols that means it’s more effective than the Monavie Pulse product? lol…….How about the fruits which the added plant sterols and the reservatrol? I personally know people who this product has helped tremendously.

    But since you can find something that has plant sterols that’s cheaper is must be better right?

    So if I go Payless shoes and buy a pair of sneakers that are made of rubber they will do the same job as as a pair of Nike’s but do they have the same quality?

    You know easy it is to go on google and find things to compare ish too…….I find it funny that you say Monavie has no scientific background (which it does) but then you go out and find some random supplement on the internet lol….

    Wellmune-Beta Glucan is a great ingredient that has 12 patents and $250 million dollars of research behind it. You think that’s a joke?

    Combine that with now with one of the newest most powerful berries the Maqui Berry and 17 other exotic fruits and you have a unique and superior blend.

    But keep hating. You say scam Monavie hits the Inc.500 list 18th overall #1 food and beverage. You say scam the Ceo gets the Entrepenuer of the Year in the Emerging category from Ernst&Young a very prestigious company.

    Keep crying scam it’s very easy to nitpick things and ridicule it’s so easy a caveman could do it.

  14. Rick Says:

    I also find it funny that your are basing your opinion about Paul Clayton from someone who can easily make up his name and come to this site.

    How the hell do you really know if it was him ?

    Even if it was him your boy Vogel got owned anyway. Clayton was saying look at this look at that and vogel says I can’t find it in google lol…….

    How can you base your opinion on someone from a interent blog? Also add into the fact that anybody can impersonate him and you guys say this guy proved to be a fraud.

    How do you know it was him? And when did you even prove he was anything? How do you know? Do some real research , maybe become a journalist and go out and talk to people that actually know the guy………

    To Foodtech:

    You are disgruntled because all you do is complain about Monavie on this site and waste your time.

    I wouldn’t base everything on your analysis of Orac. From what I understand it’s not just Orac Value there are many other things to measure as well

    Obviously you don’t know anyobdy who the puls product has helped because you don’t know anybody who has drank it…………

    Emv is 80% juice while Redbull is 100% Bull………Emv contains a natural form of sugar which comes from Beet and Which is also found in honey in Paltinose…This form of sugar doesn’t cause tooth decay like others do and gives a lasting energy source and doesn’t cause you to crash like Redbull does.

    Redbull contains the Sucrose and Glucose which are terrible forms of sugar like High Fructose Corn syrup…….

    Emv Dominates Redbull and Monster you are misinformed

  15. mysteryegg Says:

    @Rick,

    I have attended meetings about MonaVie and have purchased the product. You might compare the “opportunity” to a TimeShare in that it is a product that doesn’t “sell itself”. Instead, it relies on a sales pitch describing how much money can be made if you continue to sell it (or in the case of a TimeShare, how you can get your money back if you sell your time and ultimately resell your TimeShare for what you paid, which will never happen). If the opportunity is to sell a product with a 50% personal profit margin and additional profit for my recruiter and his/her recruiter, then I have to realize that my product is marked up far more than it needs to be, even before the membership fee.

    That said, when it comes to products that may affect your quality of life, many people are willing to pay a premium to get the “best”. So you are correct in saying personal experience is valuable. I would therefore like to share my personal experience. I used to suffer from terrible fatigue, particularly that “2:00 feeling”, and that was before I became a parent. I made a lifestyle choice to ensure I eat several servings of fruit for breakfast every morning and vegetables for lunch. My fatigue problem was gone. I thought I was on a roll with trying new dietary choices, so I gave MonaVie a try. (After all, it is easier to drink your fruits than eat them!) However, when I substituted my bowl of fruit for a shot of MonaVie, I found I had mild fatigue and occasional headaches again.

    I can only conclude I should continue eat fruit the old fashion way.

  16. Food Tech in CA Says:

    Rick, I haven’t tested MonaVie. I’ve paid to have an independent lab test it.

    If you choose to disregard their analysis, then you can use the data from the AIBMR Life Sciences (Dr. Schauss) study. (Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, 2008, Vol. 56, Pgs. 8326-8333, Table one.

    To compare the ORAC and total phenolics (polyphenols) of MonaVie to other common fruits and vegetables, use THE USDA ORAC Table of Selected Foods – 2007

    To compare the ORAC and total phenolics of MonaVie to other common store-shelf juices, use this study by the Center for Human Nutrition, David Geffen School of Medicine, University of California, Los Angeles. Table one and table three: Comparison of Antioxidant Potency of Commonly Consumed Polyphenol-Rich Beverages in the United States

    You’ll find that there are many fruits and vegetables with a far higher ORAC and polyphenol level than MonaVie (apples, plums, cherries, blueberries, pomegranates, nuts, etc…). You’ll also find several store-shelf juices that easily beat MonaVie (Pomegranate juice, Concord grape juice, Blueberry juice, Black cherry juice, Cranberry juice).

    There are no special skills required to compare one number with another. The studies have been done and the data published.

    Do you have any concerns with AIBMR, UCLA, or the USDA?

    Here is what MonaVie’s Black Diamond University includes as part of it’s Pulse guidelines:

    “Important Guidelines
    • MonaVie products (including Pulse) are not intended to replace or mimic the activity, effects, or benefits of drugs or medications. Do not substitute or replace your medication(s) with MonaVie Pulse.

    • The plant sterol activity, effects, and benefits in MonaVie Pulse as it relates to heart health and cholesterol are significantly less than that found in drugs.

    • If you have a concern of any kind related to MonaVie Pulse or its contraindications with medications, consult with your physician before consuming MonaVie Pulse.

    • Do not use MonaVie Pulse as an alternative to physician consultation or advice.
    • MonaVie Pulse does not cure heart disease.
    • MonaVie Pulse does not cure, treat, mitigate, or prevent serious cholesterol problems.
    • MonaVie Pulse is intended for healthy people, not for people with heart or cholesterol diseases.”

    If you want to make claims that the ingredients in MonaVie contain higher quality ingredients or increased levels of sterols, then you will need to cite credible references to corroborate your claims. MonaVie propaganda brochures will not be considered credible.

    You say that glucose is a terrible form of sugar? O.K., obviously, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

    Sucrose is natural, so natural really doesn’t mean anything in this discussion.

    The product has 22 grams of sugars. After the sugars are converted in the body, it doesn’t matter what form they were in. A gram is still going to be 4 kcals.

    EMV, like most energy drinks, is nothing more than sugar and caffeine.

    If your regular MonaVie is working so well for you, why do you need an energy drink.

    Please feel free to respond again after you’ve taken a course in basic science.

  17. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Rick, it was only Food Tech’s money. The lab was chosen by MonaVie distributors, the bottles were supplied by MonaVie distributors. MonaVie distributors came to me to tell me this test was fair and that it would prove things once and for all. It’s not “FoodTech’s test.” Also, this test only proved what MonaVie’s Dr. Alex Schauss’ tests also showed, that it wasn’t very nutritious.

    MonaVie’s Pulse’s claim in helping cholesterol is based on the amount of plant sterols. The FDA allows cholesterol claims based on the studies of plant sterols. That is why getting more plant sterols are more important. You’ll note that MonaVie Original makes no claims on helping cholesterol. So we can’t give any value to fruit or resveratrol for that. The FDA doesn’t allow for cholesterol claims on resveratrol. How much resveratrol is in 4 ounces of MonaVie Pulse? I couldn’t find an amount labeled, so the company could be adding a drop for marketing reasons. If it was a significant amount, they’d probably be proud to tell us. It’s not like it’s a competitive secret like the amount of acai, since resveratrol has no taste. However, because I’m feeling nice, I thought I’d spend a minute and find that 250mg of full-spectrum resveratrol is available for under 50 cents a pill on Amazon. I bet I could find it cheaper, but again at least I know how much I’m getting:

    Biotivia Resveratrol Bioforte 250mg.

    Also if you are looking for both fruit AND VEGETABLES, put it in V8 Fusion Acai Berry. Or just eat an apple. We are still talking about a lot more cholesterol fighting power for much, much, less money. The two pills and 4 ounces of V8 Fusion come in at around 80 cents.

    Rick said, “So if I go Payless shoes and buy a pair of sneakers that are made of rubber they will do the same job as as a pair of Nike’s but do they have the same quality?” Perhaps not. That’s kind of the point of this site. We are trying to figure out the quality of MonaVie. Every test seems to show little quality. MonaVie isn’t helping us out by giving us a reason to believe it’s quality. It’s like paying a lot of money for Nike’s and having them all fall apart in a three days while the Payless shoes continue to be great for years. We can’t depend on people’s perception due to the placebo effect. So are we just relying on MonaVie’s word that it’s better quality? As a consumer I need proof that product is better or I’m going to go with the cheapest solution thing that seems as good. And when that cheapest solution actually looks better from all the tests we have, my wallet does a little happy dance.

    I didn’t say that MonaVie has no scientific background. I think MonaVie realized that they could take what they had before, crush up some of the supplement that I mentioned, blend it into the juice and try to justify selling it for more. I didn’t chose the supplement at random… I looked for something that delivered the same plant sterols that MonaVie claims. I did it to specifically to point out that if you really believe in MonaVie Pulse, you can get the same stuff elsewhere for cheaper and even get more of it since MonaVie provides the bare minimum to make a cholesterol claim.

    Regarding Wellmune-Beta Glucan, I again point out that one can get Wellmune (the exact same brand with “12 patents and $250 million dollars of research behind it”) for much cheaper than buying MonaVie M(mun). MonaVie does not have any exclusivity on Wellmune. Also, while it may have patents, the research that I’ve found doesn’t seem to make it that great… for instance people got sick just as often and for just as long in the one study that I found. If people could provide more I’d look into them. One thing to think about though, is that if $250 million of research went into Wellmune, why doesn’t Wikipedia know what it is. Lastly, it’s worth noting that in the past Dr. Paul Clayton was pushing baker’s yeast (similar to Wellmune) the same way he’s pushing Wellmune now. It’s quite possible that baker’s yeast delivers 95% of the effectiveness of Wellmune for 1% of the cost. I’d like to see some research comparing the two… forward on what you have.

    Read more about Inc. 500’s list, including a comment from Inc. Magazine here: http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-and-inc-magazines-500/. You might learn something about how Inc. comes up with 500 and the other companies that MonaVie was competing against (hint: no one has heard of them either).

  18. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Read the comments about Dr. Paul Clayton, he’s clearly knowledgeable. If it’s not him, it’s irrelevant. Most of what we are basing our opinion of Paul Clayton comes from his publicly available MonaVie speeches and Vogel’s research about him here.

    Vogel wasn’t the one getting owned there. Clayton was making up things that didn’t exist. He wasn’t providing any way to verify his claims. Vogel did his best to try to find proof of what Clayton was saying and it wasn’t there. What else should Vogel have done? If Clayton wants to own Vogel, he has to show links to the studies not just claim that they are out there.

    It’s MonaVie that is basing everything on ORAC. If there’s another measurement we should use, please tell us. We can’t find a single measurement that MonaVie scores well in.

    Rick, you do know our body converts all food into glucose (that terrible sugar) right? You know that sucrose is a common organic sugar while high fructose corn syrup has undergone enzymatic processing to convert its glucose into fructose and has then been mixed with pure corn syrup. In fact if you read Wikipedia’s article on HFCS and see the section on “Comparison to other sweeteners” you see that “Cane sugar and beet sugar are both relatively pure sucrose.” So your beet sugar is that “terrible form of sugar” you call sucrose.

    Oh and honey is also mentioned: “Honey is a mixture of different types of sugars, water, and small amounts of other compounds. Honey typically has a fructose/glucose ratio similar to HFCS 55, as well as containing some sucrose and other sugars.”

    I don’t mean to defend HFCS, but I’m just pointing out that throwing out beet sugar and honey sources have their issues as well.

  19. Rick Says:

    Your trying to figure out the quality of it? But you already called it a scam?

    Dude the point is it’s the internet you can find anything on here to disprove anything it’s very vast….

    Just the point you are trying to disprove Monavie making the Inc.500 list just proves that to me.

    You and your cronies you stop at nothing to bash this company and it’s credentials.

    Fact is alot of the product questions will go unanswered and you will never truly know until you experience the product for yourself or if you personally know people who have tried it. Otherwise your just gonna rely on tests that will never tell the whole story.

    Of course you can find an alternative for all of Monavie’s main ingredients. The thing is Monavie has been at the forefront of alot of these ingredients. They jumped on the Acai board before most, They jumped on the Reservtrol bandwagon before most and now they will do it with Beta-Glucans, Palintinose and the Maqui Berry.

    I personally know that Monavie is a quality product so I will remain loyal to it.

    Are there possible alternatives that are cheaper than Monavie? Of course but they don’t offer the opportunity to pay for the product and the truly rewarding business opportunity.

    I know I am getting quality ingredients in every Monavie product with the glucosmaine, the plant sterols, the 80% juice in the Emv, the Beta-glucans in the M-mun…..Each product is very unique and they are a healthy beverage that I enjoy.

  20. Rick Says:

    BTW Monavie uses actual fruits in it’s energy drink and not a bunch of crap like what’s in Redbull….

    It’s 80% juice while Redbull, Monster and others don’t offer that…..

    The Sugar in redbull is prob just processed crap while Monavie contains just natural sugars from the fruits…..Other than Paltinose which is a quality sugar ….

  21. Food Tech in CA Says:

    Paltinose is an artificial sweetener made from sucrose, using bacterial fermentation. The addition of fruits in EMV has no bearing on its quality.

    The bottom line is, it is a caffeine and sugar based beverage. That’s where the so-called “energy” comes from. Artificial stimulants. You would have the same effect if you took a NoDoz pill.

    I don’t recommend Red Bull. I don’t recommend Monster. I don’t recommend EMV. Poor nutrition for a high price.

    Why is your EMV needed if regular MonaVie is providing you with energy, as you claim?

  22. Rick Says:

    Emv gives you a little extra burst and tastes good too with the carbonation that is why I drink it

    I still would say that Emv is a healthier product than Redbull and Monster……

    Drinking Redbull I used to get headaches and it tasted like metal……..I don’t get that from Emv at all and there is no crash either.

  23. Vogel Says:

    Rick, you’ve given me no reason to candy-coat this — you are either a blithering idiot and/or, for some reason (i.e. a profit motive), you have made it your mission to purposely derail this blog with misinformation and red herrings. There is no basis in fact for the things you are saying, and you are straying considerably off-topic, while conveniently avoiding the issues of real consequence; issues that have been supported with tangible, reliable evidence time and time again.

    Rick said: “But keep hating. You say scam Monavie hits the Inc. 500 list 18th overall #1 food and beverage.”

    I never used the word “scam”, but it certainly would be fair if I did. If you want to pretend that paying to be included on the Inc 500 list means something, then perhaps you should tell us the name of Inc’s overall #2 food and beverage company. You can’t because there wasn’t one — Monavie was the only company in this category. So you run a fixed race with no competitors and then brag about winning a trophy? That’s the kind of sleight of hand BS that comes back to bite you on the ass time and time again, much like the MORE Project and the tarnished reputations and faked credentials of many of your company’s key personnel. You use sound-alike titles like this (i.e., Inc’s rinky-dink “500 list” to conjure up images of the “Fortune 500” list) in attempt to cover up basic facts, like the nutritional inadequacy of your products, the dismal IDS, the nefarious background of Monavie’s key personnel, and the implications of the chronic violations of FDA regulations (i.e., U.S. law) that have been taking place.

    Rick said: “I also find it funny that your (sic) are basing your opinion about Paul Clayton from (sic) someone who can easily make up his name and come to this site. How the hell do you really know if it was him?”

    I bet you don’t find it funny at all. You should, and probably do, find it extremely distressing that these facts are now in the public domain, and you are attempting (feebly) to whitewash it because there is nothing else that can be done now that the cat’s out of the bag and Clayton’s endorsement of Monavie has become a liability and a black mark, instead of the boon it was planned (and paid for) to be.

    It has already been pointed out repeatedly that it wouldn’t matter either way if this was or was not the “real” Clayton who posted here (such irony…you should have referred to him as the “real” FAKE Clayton). I based my research of his background mainly on what he had said at his Monavie presentation and what he had included on his own website, not the comments he left here. That you would ignore this fact again shows that your true goal is to deceive and distract people from the truth.

    Rick said: “Even if it was him your boy Vogel got owned anyway.”

    Hardly, after I conclusively exposed him as a fraud and a liar he ran away with pee in his boots. Y’know you aren’t going to change the fact that 2+2=4 simply because you say it’s 5. The truth is so bloody obvious. You just keep switching your arguments trying to find a foothold and you keep on falling deeper and deeper into the $hitter.

    Rick said: “You [Food Tech] are disgruntled because all you do is complain about Monavie on this site and waste your time.”

    A$$hole! It doesn’t matter if he’s disgruntled or uber-gruntled; what he’s saying about the ORAC score and polyphenol content of Monavie is still an obvious fact. Again, you are just skirting the issue and trying to redirect the discussion to something that’s utterly irrelevant. For the most part, I’m sure we (me, Food Tech, and many of the other reasonable participants who have helped expose Monavie on this site) all have things that we’d rather be doing than this. But as long as you guys are lying to Grandma about Monavie being a cancer cure and endangering the welfare of the public, we’ll continue to post here passionately until Monavie meets the same well-deserved fate as Royal Tongan Limu; i.e., shut down by the FDA, fined into oblivion, and loudly condemned. You only galvanize people against Monavie, so if you think that you are doing damage control, you’re wrong.

    Rick (inarticulately) said: “Dude the point is it’s the internet you can find anything on here to disprove anything it’s very vast…”

    Correction — WE find things on the Internet that clearly disprove the promotional claims made about your product and that demonstrate the ill repute of many of many of the company’s key operatives. YOU, on the other hand, have presented no evidence that either contests our facts or even remotely attests to the value of your product or the integrity of the immoral lying whores (like you) who sell it.

    Rick said: “You and your cronies you (sic) stop at nothing to bash this company and it’s (sic) credentials.”

    We are posting on a blog designed specifically for intelligent discussion of this topic. If you want to reframe this as “stopping at nothing”, then bear in mind that this is so only because you and your flock of greedy retarded cultists are lying to sick people and stealing their medicine money, and because we have seen more than enough evidence to know that your product is $hit and that the people who sell it are crooks and scumbags.

    Your Black Diamond executive Jason Lyons put a F-ing RAPIST on stage dressed in surgical scrubs, pretending to be a cancer specialist, so that he could lie to people and convince them that Monavie can treat cancer. Rather than provide an apology for this and the many other atrocities committed, you all simply ignore it and carry on as though it never happened. For this, you all deserve more than the bankruptcy and public humiliation that awaits; you also deserve a good ass whupping.

  24. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Rick, I would recommend reading the about page. I didn’t initially think that MonaVie was a scam. When I heard about it about two years ago (yes follow that link for the story), I gave MonaVie every benefit of the doubt. All the information started coming back and MonaVie looked worse and worse. Distributors came in and started making illegal comments about it helping with autism and claiming 4 ounces is the same as eating 13 fruits. These people were selling lies whether they knew they were lies or not is not the point. This site is about putting those lies to rest.

    Take for example this post. MonaVie says that acai is this great superfood. The natural question is to ask how much acai am I getting for my money. MonaVie’s answer is, “We can’t tell you.” There’s a perfect example of MonaVie having the chance to prove the quality of its product and failing.

    Rick said, “Dude the point is it’s the internet you can find anything on here to disprove anything it’s very vast….”
    If that’s the case, than disprove the things on this site. Prove to me that all MonaVie distributor are in compliance and not making any illegal claims. We have evidence they are. There are videos. Tell me that MonaVie isn’t lying about their ORAC score. Tell me that no distributors are claiming that 4 ounces of MonaVie is equal to 13 fruits. I can back all this information up with distributors being caught red-handed. If you can find anything on the vast Internet, please, please find us a reason to think that MonaVie is quality. We are looking everywhere and only come up with lies and scams.

    I didn’t try to disprove that MonaVie made the Inc. 500 – I just want to make people aware of the context of the award as that’s important. It’s for the growth of a private company. It’s competition (the rest of the top ten) was “GourmetGiftBaskets.com, SmartPrice Sales & Marketing, Innovative Foods, The Snack Factory, SoDel Concepts, LesserEvil Brand Snack, Mary’s Gone Crackers, Plenus Group, Oskar Blues Brewery.” I don’t know about you, but I haven’t heard of a single company there. Also another winner of the Inc. 500 was on Dateline with their employees admitting that they scam people. My point is simple. Don’t take the Inc. 500 ranking as justification that MonaVie is an ethical company that provides value to it’s customers.

    “Fact is alot of the product questions will go unanswered and you will never truly know until you experience the product for yourself or if you personally know people who have tried it.” Fact is that by trying it, you’ll know if it’s the placebo effect or not. The tests are the only way to get the whole story. It’s like taking a ruler to an optical illusion and realizing that two objects are the same size even though the illusion is designed to show otherwise. (And for what it’s worth my wife tried the free bottles that were given to her. Turns out it’s just expensive juice. I’m sure you’ll say that more needs to be tried or my sample size of people were too small. Sorry, since I’ve started this site, I’ve had hundreds of people say the exact same thing.)

    MonaVie was at the forefront of what again?

    Not the forefront of acai it seems – from Wikipedia, “Since the 1990s açaí juice and extracts are used globally in various juice blends, smoothies, sodas, and other beverages.”

    Not the forefront of reservatrol – from Wikipedia, “As a result of extensive news coverage, sales of supplements greatly increased in 2006… despite cautions that benefits to humans are unproven.” It looks like Pulse came about at the end of Sept. 2008, two years after the reservatrol rush… (you get the bonus there of it not being proven to have benefits and yes all the research sources are cited).

    MonaVie is the forefront of Beta-Glucan’s? I see studies again on Wikipedia that go back to 1975. You’ve been able to buy beta-glucan supplements for years, maybe even decades. Before you could buy M(mun), I found sources of cheaply available Wellmune on the Internet.

    Maqui Berry? Numerous other supplements are available. I’m sure they didn’t all come out in the last month. And is it very good? Here’s is research on WikiPedia: “The average total anthocyanin content was 138 mg per 100 g of fresh fruit (212 mg per 100g of dry fruit), placing maqui low among berries for anthocyanin content (see Anthocyanins#Occurrence for tabulated content data).”

    Palatinose, “It has been used as a sugar substitute in Japan since 1985.”

    Next you’ll say that MonaVie is ahead of the stevia curve where I’ve been using it since early 2000s.

    Rick, I’m glad you convinced you are getting quality ingredients. I believe quality ingredients are in other juices for a lot less money. A plant sterol is a plant sterol, whether it is in MonaVie or in a pill.

  25. Runner Says:

    I am an active healthy individual who runs, swims, and climbs. My belief is that as long as you eat healthy and are physically active then you are fine. I eat/drink a consistent amount of fruits, vegetable, meats, and juices. I mostly drink water, orange juice, milk, and grape juice. Nutritional juices like Monavie is only an excuse for someone to eat at burger king then take a shot of monavie and feel good about themselvs. The correct way to stay healthy is to eat/drink normal nutritional foods and juices while staying physically active. Its worked for thousands of years, why do we have to change it? you don’t gotta spend an extra $150 buck month to be healthy. Healthy living does not come in a 4 oz daily intake.. stop being lazy people!

  26. MonaVie Scam Says:

    You know, if it was just $150 and it actually provided significant health benefits, then it might not be such a bad deal. However, as Runner mentioned 4 ounces of juice (especially stripped of most of it’s beneficial fiber) isn’t going to equate to healthy.

  27. Heather Says:

    You can all say what you want. All I know is that I had extreme nerve damage from having wisdom teeth removed. I was told by the dentist and surgeons that nothing would help me get the feeling back in my left side of my face. My smile drooped and I couldn’t feel my lips. It was hard to even drink without spilling all over myself. It was numb and this went on for month after month. Three days into drinking Monavie, I had all of the feeling back in my face. When I left my parents’ home where I was visiting and didn’t take their Monavie with me, a tingling sensation returned followed by more numbness. I immediately ordered Monavie and have been drinking it ever since. Now if I leave town for a few days and forget to take my juice I do feel a little something going on in my face, but have never against lost the feeling there. Monavie changed my life physically, emotionally, and also financially.

    Believe what you want. I’ll be drinking this stuff for life. Not so hard to believe considering the juice pays for itself.

  28. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Heather, it seems like you are a successful distributor – you say it changed your life financially (unless you meant that it changed your life financially in a negative way). If that is true, you know that it is against MonaVie’s terms of service and the FTC’s guidelines for you to make the claims you made which are not “typical results.”

    It’s hard to believe someone who has shown themselves to be unethical as you have.

  29. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    Heather – you are full of $hit. Period.

    Heather, I’m certain we don’t need to point out that Monavie does not treat, cure, treat or mitigate the symptoms of any disease or condition and that you’re not only breaching company policy, but breaking the law.

    There isn’t much people of the same calibre of liar and scammer such as Heather wouldn’t say or do in order to make a buck – if she’s lying to her family and friends, it’s of no surprise she’s lying on this site also.

    Disgraceful.

  30. Styles Says:

    Shouldnt she be leaving her distributor number as well? I’ll leave mine.

    Styles: Monavie victim #3,201,998

  31. Go West Says:

    Well now, this is something new. Apparently Monavie now repairs nerve damage, what next….

  32. me Says:

    I hear Monavie can also cure cancer, and promote world peace.It will also revive Gary Coleman, and allow Stephen Hawkings to Walk.

  33. Tom Says:

    me – be careful – you’ll get raided by the FTC or FDA – MV does not cure anything – it is food.

  34. mysterious Says:

    i am a monavie distributer, number 2795783 and not supporting monavie anymore, so thats why i write on hear.

    formula or quenching thirst, i dont believe this is a big issue, even though scam is right on all aspects, but always for me price is alote to do with the whole issue, and everyone talks about the cost being 145 and then says add shipping, but no one adds in the tax, anyways for me a year just for one person it cost $2,104.00 and thats for the monavie pulse or active, at 145 dollars a case and 7% for shipping, i have even been charges more, but then tax for me in nb canada is 13%. so thats not just the 1740 dollars with out the s/h and taxes thats 4 hundred in the differance, im sure i could buy alote of healthier juice out there for that money. such as v8 fusion and others i now drink, thansk scam for the info over the time i been reading your site. and so for me the price is whats more when it comes to argueing over things. but if you were to compare taste over thirst, i believe thirst quenching takes over, because would you rather enjoy something tasting good or feel good after you drink it, not hours later but right away because your thirst is satasifyed, for me i prefer thirst, and i also love coca-cola which is a win win, and because coke-zero doesnt do anygood for you but it doesnt do any bad as much as before you r not adding so many sugars to your system, may be fake sugar added to sweeten it, but when you say monavie juice is all natural juice and no added sugar because its natural, you still gatta consider its sugar and it doesnt matter in which form or where its from, its all doing the same thing in your body and there for has no matter to why its good for u. anyways i prefer coka-cola over monavie, but healthier juice i go for v8 fusion and apple juice and oj, anything cheapier then monavie with shown tests to be healthier. hate my post or want me to burn in hell for what i say but i know my self that im right on my opinion and say what ya want about me but i love my self now that i am not selling or taking part in monavie events or pretending to be friends with my upline when clearly they only want to talk business and not to come over for a bbq just because they were in the area, or hey want to go for a coffee, some friends, only wantg you to make them righ n they dont do a good job teaching you, well im going off topic or tthis whole comment may be off tipic, but i cant seem to go back far enough to find all of scams topics only a few months back, so i just write close as i can find.

  35. Rasheed Pre-Enlightenment Says:

    MonaVie distributor 2471942

    First and foremost, I would like to apologize on behalf of Rick. I have no idea who he is but I can tell you guys now that with the attitude he has, he won’t be going anywhere far anytime soon.

    Second, in response to Heather: That’s great that MonaVie may have cured your nerve damage. However, you can’t say that MonaVie itself was the sole cure for your nerve damage.

    Third, in response to mysterious’s mysterious post, use the enter key, the shift key, and spell check. Then maybe people will read your posts. As for right now, I’m just not going to take you seriously.

    I’ve been a distributor for about a year. I’ve made about $40 in the past year. Why? Because I haven’t put much effort into it. I’ve been busy with school and work, so I haven’t been sharing the opportunity with other people. I have no experience with sales or marketing so I took the first year to acquire training. I have no intentions of leaving MonaVie.

    Now, concerning health benefits of MonaVie. I am not a scientist nor have I done much research on MonaVie. However, I do know from Paul Zane Pilzer’s book The Next Trillion, that some effects simply cannot be attributed to a cause with science… yet. Sometimes we simply lack the technology to prove that something works.

    I’m not denying the research and lab results that you guys have performed/had performed. In fact, I’m a bit grateful because we need more people like you doing research on “The Next Big Things” instead of having mindless drones follow propaganda and the media.

    The following is not to discredit anyone’s research or anything. This is merely my own experience with MonaVie.

    Prior to starting MonaVie, I had carpal tunnel syndrome, diagnosed by a doctor. It hurt a lot and I had to wear a brace almost 24/7, and I had to choose to either have surgery on my wrist or just wear the brace. I chose the brace because I hate surgery.

    After I joined MonaVie, I started drinking the Active, because it contains glucosamine which I’ve heard is good for the joints.

    After drinking the recommended amount every day for a month, I noticed that the pain was beginning to subside. I figured it was because the brace was correcting something or something, I didn’t know. But I took the brace off after a while, and it still did not hurt.

    About 3 months ago, I lost my job and so I was unable to continue buying product. Shortly after that, the pains began to return, and I had to wear the brace again.

    Now, I understand that MonaVie Active is a food beverage and I cannot claim that it “cured” my carpal tunnel syndrome. I’m merely listing the facts and chronology: I had wrist pains. I drank MonaVie Active. Wrist pains stopped. I stopped drinking Active. Wrist pains resumed.

    It is entirely possible that there is some other factor that influenced my carpal tunnel syndrome, such as the weather, or humidity, or time of day, or whatever. There are tons of factors. But I leave the conclusion up to you guys.

    On a different note; I saw on another post someone commenting on the compensation plan and that it would require one to recruit 26 people in order to break even every month, or something along those lines.

    Respectfully, I would like to point out that this is how a person who is in business by himself would build the business. However, if somebody got you to sign up, chances are that they are actively building their business. As such, the next person they get to sign up goes under you. And the next person they get to sign up goes under that person, also under you. So you got two people under you without doing anything. Do you get paid anything? Just the first order bonus of the first person who signed up under you. You don’t get paid any commissions because you only get paid based on your lesser leg.

    Now, MonaVie does not really provide many tips on how distributors can effectively build two downlines at the same time. However, TEAM has, and I’m sure a few of you guys have heard of it: it’s called Power Player.

    When you get started, you have a whole bunch of people above you. The person directly above you probably isn’t even the person who sponsored you. Chances are, you won’t know the person directly beneath you. I didn’t. And I still don’t. But he got me forty bucks so I’m not complaining :P

    Anyway, what I wanted to point out was that you have an entire support team that is throwing people under you. I currently have a downline of around 50 people, but I don’t get commissioned because a) I’m not active and b) my lesser leg consists of 0 PV.

    The way TEAM recommends doing it is that each new member puts two new people under the long chain, this is called the “tap root.” The leaders work with the new people and get them to get two new people each into the tap root.

    After getting the two new people in, you start your second leg. You encourage them to put two new people into the tap root–however, this time, the tap root is your lesser leg. So when they put two new people in, your lesser leg effectively grows to three people. Lets say they’re on minimum requirement to be active–you’re making an additional $30 a month.

    If you have good taste in people and the first person in your second leg happens to be a really effective leader, and he gets two people in the tap root, and trains those people to get two people each, you could just sit back and relax knowing that your business is perpetuating. Chances of that happening? Almost zero.

    On a more practical scale, you sponsor one person. Let’s say you can sponsor another person. That person goes under the first person in your second leg, so you have two people. All you need to do is train them to get two people each into their tap root, and they can start their second legs.

    Of course, this is all ideal–some people never get their two people in. Some people–no, MOST people–phase out. But some people stay in, and help your business perpetuate. Let’s just say all the people you sponsor happen to be people who don’t want to sponsor anyone else. The maximum number of people you would need to sponsor in order to break even would be 15–13 + 2 people from the tap root. And this is worst case scenario, assuming each of the 13 people in your lesser leg just so happen to be unable to sponsor anyone for some reason. Typically? I can’t say. But it doesn’t take long for most people.

    One may ask, “then why haven’t you done it?” to me. My excuse used to be “because I’m new.” Then my excuse was “I’m a college student, and I only know broke college students.”

    But over the past few months of reading books and associating with my leaders, I’ve learned that those excuses won’t get me anywhere. They won’t help me attain my dreams and goals of having a secure family. Instead, they just give me a reason to stay comfortably numb. But now I’m changing. The best time to change was years ago. The second best time is now.

    You guys may think MonaVie’s product is a scam, and that’s fine–given the evidence you guys have, you guys have every right to believe so. However, it goes beyond just the product, in my opinion. With their partnership with TEAM, I believe they have created a way for people to grow themselves personally and find a way out of the 45-year plan most people are stuck in.

    Perhaps this comment was outside the scope of the post. I apologize for that. But I feel like I have to do something so that the readers of this blog don’t think that all MonaVie distributors are bumbling idiots (I know at least some readers do, based on some comments I’ve read)

    Perhaps some readers of this comment will think that I’m the very bumbling idiot I speak out against. However, I’ve spoken out against no one in specific (except for Rick, because his comments sort of annoy me), and I have been nothing but truthful. Many people may just gloss over this comment, paying no heed to it’s content, but I don’t blame them. It is a rather long comment. But I think some people just have a misunderstanding, both distributors and skeptics alike. Hopefully this comment will open some eyes… and if not, hopefully Rick will stop sounding immature at the very least.

  36. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Rasheed,

    That is one of the most well articulated comments this website has seen. As such, I wanted to wait until I could respond to approve it. (First-time commenters automatically get put in the moderation queue.)

    If readers of this blog believe that MonaVie distributors are bumbling idiots, it is only because they repeat the information that MonaVie gives them without doing research. And of course, MonaVie, and the distributor’s upline, is feeding them a pile of tenth-truths (can’t even call them half-truths). Even when spoon-feed the research to them, they ignore it and give a response that doesn’t adhere to any kind of logic known to man (in general).

    I have the following things to say about your comment:

    1. Mysterious knows he’s not the best writer… he’s mentioned it many, many times. I can tell he is an auditory thinker like myself, as he often confuses words like hear/here and weather/whether. These are the kinds of mistakes I make myself unless I’m really paying attention. If you read his comments as if he were talking to you, it definitely makes sense and you can tell that he “gets it”, which is something that most distributors do not. Final note on mysterious is that spell check isn’t going to help the typos of hear/here and weather/whether.

    2. You mention “Now, concerning health benefits of MonaVie. I am not a scientist nor have I done much research on MonaVie.” It is completely shocking that one would sign up to be a distributor of a product that they didn’t research. It essentially makes the entirety of your comment invalid.

    3. You mention Paul Zane Pilzer… this is a person that has disproportionate attention in the MonaVie world. You could pull a Jay Leno and ask 100 people on the street who he is and I doubt you’d have 2 people with a clue. Yet if you ask 100 MonaVie distributors, I bet 25 would know who he is. His biography on Wikipedia currently has three warnings about unreliable sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Zane_Pilzer. So I would suggest, you not put too much into “some effects simply cannot be attributed to a cause with science… yet. Sometimes we simply lack the technology to prove that something works.” Unless you want to buy some pills that repel bear attacks from my friend Lattimore. No one who has taken them has been attacked by a bear yet, so they work… we can just say lack the technology to prove it. Right?

    4. You can’t state your own experience with MonaVie as you have stated it. You might want review both MonaVie and the FTC’s guidelines about testimonials being “subject to typical results” here: http://monaviemediacenter.com/blogs/5-tips-every-monavie-distributor-needs-to-know-about-the-new-ftc-guidelines/. MonaVie is not approved by the FDA to treat, cure, or prevent carpal tunnel and you can’t imply (as you did) that it does. This is one of the failings of MonaVie. It doesn’t educate people about this policy… and why would they, it would hurt sales of their own product.

    5. When you say that there are tons of factors like humidity, weather, time of day or whatever, but “leave the conclusion up to us”, it is very much implying that it could only be MonaVie. You failed to mention the most likely conclusion: MonaVie is a Placebo.

    6. You then went into a long explanation of the business and TEAM. Included in that you said, “The person directly above you probably isn’t even the person who sponsored you. Chances are, you won’t know the person directly beneath you. I didn’t. And I still don’t.” That sounds to me like TEAM is scamming MonaVie. It doesn’t make sense that you are getting credit for people you didn’t sponsor and people you sponsor are being credited to you. From your explanation of “tap-root” it sounds like TEAM is even stacking the deck so that legs are unnaturally balanced. It sounds possible that those distributors not involved with TEAM are at an even bigger disadvantage. As we see, even without that disadvantage, 99% of distributors are losing money: http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-is-embarrassed-by-their-income-disclosure-statement-2/. Even with TEAM, it is clear that this is not a business opportunity worth pursuing.

    7. When you say, “…over the past few months of reading books and associating with my leaders, I’ve learned that those excuses won’t get me anywhere. They won’t help me attain my dreams and goals of having a secure family.” This is what your upline is supposed to do… It’s essentially typical motivational talk. There’s nothing wrong with that in general. However, there are a lot of things to be motivated to do… and selling a drink that you haven’t researched sounds below your intelligence. Recruiting people to sell a drink that you haven’t researched is even worse.

    8. Building on the quote above, MonaVie is not a way to achieve a goal of having a secure family… at least not a financially secure family. Remember that Dallin Larsen’s last company, Royal Tongan Limu, was shut down due to misleading and illegal claims about the health benefits of the juice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Tongan_Limu. If you joined that organization way back when, you’d be stuck without a distribution system or a product to sell… which is not financially secure situation. MonaVie is definitely heading down that path… you are proof with your own misleading claim about the health benefits of MonaVie Active.

  37. Humiliated Says:

    Rasheed. If I may. I agree with JS & your comment is indeed well articulated but it is flawed (in my opinion). Others have written that liquid glucosomine is much cheaper to buy on it’s own. Give it a go and see what that does for you.

    You talk about not being a scientist and that the contributing members on this site have done their homework. How is it that you can know what you know (now) and still think you are justified in selling this crap to unsuspecting victims, just so you can get out of the 45 year plan? You are getting out of the 45 year plan by sucking people INTO the 45 year plan by taking their hard earned money for a very substandard product! At the very least, do some of your own independant research (or get one of your scientist buddies to take a look at the data/studies). It sounds like your moral compass points north and you are capable of critical thinking. Look into this product further. Do not accept what Monavie Corporate tells you. Dig deeper.

    Finally, the motivational books out there tell you that you need to do something that you truly believe in and feel passionate about, and don’t take no for an answer (I have read them all). But, they also say you must proceed with integrity and honesty. This company contains neither of these elements.

  38. Vogel Says:

    Selamat sore Rasheed. Apa kabar? Kamu bahasa Melayu?

    Let me begin by paying my respect to you for posting your ID# without having to be prompted, and for apologizing on Rick’s behalf. I wish more distributors would follow that example instead of applauding such boorish behavior.

    Rasheed said: “…in response to Heather: That’s great that MonaVie may have cured your nerve damage. However, you can’t say that MonaVie itself was the sole cure for your nerve damage.”

    Hmm…that response is not good enough. First, I think it’s quite safe to say that Monavie did not cure Heather’s nerve damage. Second, it’s not that she can’t say Monavie was the “sole” cause; it is illegal for her to even claim that Monavie in any way even remotely contributed to her recovery from nerve damage. Lastly, you shouldn’t be saying that there is anything “great” about her claim. It’s a prohibited claim. A Monavie distributor has no business even mentioning nerve damage.

    Rasheed said: “Third, in response to mysterious’s mysterious post, use the enter key, the shift key, and spell check. Then maybe people will read your posts. As for right now, I’m just not going to take you seriously.”

    I understand how you feel; bad grammar and poor proofing often annoys me too. However, Mysterious, as others have pointed out, apologized upfront for this, and since doing so, has been a sincere, heartfelt, and interesting contributor to this forum. You haven’t built up enough credibility here yet to be taking a shot like that – it’s bad netiquette and a bit of a bully tactic in this case. It’s not a huge deal, but thought you could use a friendly reminder.

    Rasheed said: “I’ve been a distributor for about a year. I’ve made about $40 in the past year. Why? Because I haven’t put much effort into it. I’ve been busy with school and work, so I haven’t been sharing the opportunity with other people. I have no experience with sales or marketing so I took the first year to acquire training. I have no intentions of leaving MonaVie.”

    Well, you are assuming that the reason you only made $40 was due to a lack of effort, but in fact, it is highly unlikely that the rewards from being a Monavie distributor would ever be commensurate with your efforts. In the U.S., most distributors earn far less than the federal minimum wage. If you’re doing your homework, then there is no reason to stay with Monavie, unless you think that it’s OK to sacrifice one’s ethics (i.e. selling a worthless, illegally-marketed product from a corrupt organization). Since you’ve already spent (wasted) time training over the past year and only have $40 to show for it, you are already operating at a net loss. You should strongly consider cutting your losses now before you waste any more of your valuable time.

    Rasheed said: “Now, concerning health benefits of MonaVie. I am not a scientist nor have I done much research on MonaVie. However, I do know from Paul Zane Pilzer’s book The Next Trillion, that some effects simply cannot be attributed to a cause with science… yet. Sometimes we simply lack the technology to prove that something works.”

    But what you said does not in any way even remotely relate to the issue of health benefits. Pilzner is not a scientist; he’s an economist. There is nothing about Monavie that I am aware of that cannot be addressed through science. We have done extensive analyses of the pertinent information already; you’ve even gone so far as to acknowledge this point and even expressed your gratitude that we did this research. The sheer volume of evidence on the table attesting to Monavie’s lack of value (nutritionally and financially) makes your comment appear dishonest; why quote Pilzner when the obvious scientific facts are staring you in the face? And it’s especially surprising that you admit to not having done much research, even though you also stated that you’ve been training to sell the product for the past year. You are clearly studying the wrong material

    Rasheed said: “Prior to starting MonaVie, I had carpal tunnel syndrome, diagnosed by a doctor. It hurt a lot and I had to wear a brace almost 24/7, and I had to choose to either have surgery on my wrist or just wear the brace. I chose the brace because I hate surgery. After I joined MonaVie, I started drinking the Active, because it contains glucosamine which I’ve heard is good for the joints. After drinking the recommended amount every day for a month, I noticed that the pain was beginning to subside…About 3 months ago, I lost my job and so I was unable to continue buying product. Shortly after that, the pains began to return, and I had to wear the brace again. Now, I understand that MonaVie Active is a food beverage and I cannot claim that it “cured” my carpal tunnel syndrome. I’m merely listing the facts and chronology: I had wrist pains. I drank MonaVie Active. Wrist pains stopped. I stopped drinking Active. Wrist pains resumed. It is entirely possible that there is some other factor that influenced my carpal tunnel syndrome, such as the weather, or humidity, or time of day, or whatever. There are tons of factors. But I leave the conclusion up to you guys.”

    I included that portion of your comment almost in its entirety because it is a perfect example of an implied medical claim, which is strictly prohibited. You aren’t allowed to use such testimonials and you aren’t allowed to imply that Monavie had a therapeutic effect on carpal tunnel or any other medical condition. It’s that simple. It’s illegal, so don’t do it. It really annoys me that you’ve been with the company for a year and yet you still don’t observe such a basic rule of the business. So tell me this, and please don’t avoid the question – who should we blame? Someone deserves to be blamed, and it’s you, your upline, or the company. So where would you like to place the responsibility Rasheed. Will you step up and shoulder it personally or pass the buck?

    Rasheed said: “Anyway, what I wanted to point out was that you have an entire support team that is throwing people under you. I currently have a downline of around 50 people, but I don’t get commissioned because a) I’m not active and b) my lesser leg consists of 0 PV.”

    But you only get paid on your weak leg, so if they are throwing people on the other leg, it doesn’t help you one bit. That’s not support; it’s window dressing.

    Rasheed said: “But over the past few months of reading books and associating with my leaders, I’ve learned that those excuses won’t get me anywhere. They won’t help me attain my dreams and goals of having a secure family. Instead, they just give me a reason to stay comfortably numb.”

    Rasheed, I highly recommend that you stay the hell away from associating with these so-called ‘leaders’ and from reading the type of books that they are likely to spoon-feed you. It sounds like they have already done a thorough job of brainwashing you and bringing you into a very destructive mode of thinking. If your goal is to have a secure family, then Monavie is the last thing you should be considering. It’s not excuses that keep people from succeeding in Monavie. The barrier to success is built into this pyramid scheme from the start. Furthermore, you’re faced with the near-impossible task of marketing an essentially worthless product which sells for an outrageously high price; is widely known as having poor nutritional content; is sold using unethical and illegal marketing practices; and is associated with a company of ill repute; not to mention that it sells on E-Bay for less than the price you can buy it for wholesale. Stop blaming yourself for lack of success and simply channel your efforts into something that is reputable and offers a reasonable chance of paying dividends. You’re obviously already smart enough to make money – you don’t need Monavie to be successful — but your intelligence is wasted if you choose to victimize others and to throw your lot in with a bunch of blatant thieves and conmen.

    Rasheed said: “You guys may think MonaVie’s product is a scam, and that’s fine–given the evidence you guys have, you guys have every right to believe so. However, it goes beyond just the product, in my opinion. With their partnership with TEAM, I believe they have created a way for people to grow themselves personally and find a way out of the 45-year plan most people are stuck in.”

    It sounds like what you’re saying is that you realize that what we are saying is correct and valid, and yet you’re going to sell Monavie anyway because you think it will be lucrative to do so. If that’s the case, then just call a spade a spade and admit that you think it’s OK to lie and/or cheat people out of their money. And if you do admit it, I’ll have a lot more respect for you than I do for these other distributors who lie and cheat but pretend that they are doing mankind a favor. Some people just seem to have a Social Darwinist view in which it’s OK for the strong to prey on the weak. I don’t agree with this kind of thinking – I believe that it is the responsibility of the strong to protect the weak rather than to feast on them. But that’s a philosophical difference; I at least have some measure of respect for those who are honest enough to admit that they hold this POV.

    Rasheed said: “Perhaps this comment was outside the scope of the post. I apologize for that. But I feel like I have to do something so that the readers of this blog don’t think that all MonaVie distributors are bumbling idiots (I know at least some readers do, based on some comments I’ve read).”

    No need to apologize for that. Quite clearly, your comments are given more respect than those of most other distributors. Nonetheless it has done nothing to change my view that the overwhelming majority of distributors are in fact bumbling idiots (greedy, dishonest, destructive, bumbling idiots actually). There may also be a few that aren’t bumbling idiots who are just ruthless cunning liars and fraud artists, but from what I’ve seen, even the shrewdest of people involved in the company still qualify as bumbling idiots.

    Rasheed said: “Perhaps some readers of this comment will think that I’m the very bumbling idiot I speak out against. However, I’ve spoken out against no one in specific (except for Rick, because his comments sort of annoy me), and I have been nothing but truthful…Hopefully this comment will open some eyes… and if not, hopefully Rick will stop sounding immature at the very least.”

    I don’t think you’re a bumbling idiot at all. I think you’re quite bright; in fact, far too bright to be trifling with Monavie. It wasn’t our eyes that were in need of opening; on the contrary, I hope that you learned a few things, particularly with regard to NEVER making illegal marketing claims about the product. Even though your claims were far from being the most egregious, if they don’t stop in general, the company runs a very real risk of being shut down without further notice. It happened to Dallin Larceny’s Royal Tongan Limu and it could just as easily happen to Monavie. Don’t build your hopes and dreams on a pit of quicksand.

  39. Amthrax Says:

    Rasheed:

    Much of the material contained in TEAM’s personal and leadership development program can be obtained for free from your local library.

    In addition, as Vogel and others have pointed out, you can purchase MonaVie Active inexpensively from eBay.

  40. Young God Says:

    I started noticing the vehicle wraps for Monavie about 6 months ago, and have been around the block enough to recognize MLM when I see it.

    I’ve seen MLMs break up friends, families, churches, and even (legitimate) businesses… they use sophistical arguments that seem to appeal people who are a certain sub-class of the working poor, naive/well intentioned (read “dumb”) but bored retired people, and a wide range of college educated “A-type” personalities who think they are too smart to be taken in by scams(and cults).

    After suckered people are in the fold with “your Dreams are more important than anything” and “No one is looking out for you” kool-aid, they’ll spend way too much money getting strung out on the “necessary” marketing tools and workshops while sitting on a garage full of product. Then the bills start coming due, and because they’ve convinced themselves that they are the only ones to blame for not being in the tiny percentage of the reps who “stick with it” and make millions, stress begins to build up in their relationships with everyone who used to matter to them but who won’t enable the MLM habit and keep buying the product or sign up under them.

    They lie to their friends and family about their success to lure them to special “conference call” meetings where an “exciting, exclusive announcement will be made that will change everything.” Then when their friends loose patience with the broken record that the person has become, they start calling old friends and pretending to want to hang out with them, just to get them to sales pitch meetings.

    tangent– Those calls are not unlike the calls from old friends who are now in 12-steps, and pretend to want to be interested in you, but really only want to apologize for the stupid shit they did when they were using; they bring up the old times, start making you think about it again, then just when you start getting mad about it all over again, they apologize, blame it on using, and expect you to just accept it. They really don’t care about you, what they did to you, or whether their apology is warranted/accepted–they just want to feel good about themselves…like they did when they were using! –sorry…tangent over.

    Movavie is likely the same toxic crap that is marketed in all the different shapes and forms that is the US consumer’s pathetic marketplace…it really doesn’t matter. If it weren’t juice, it would be magic beans, or magic make-up, or magic cleaning supplies… but as you have found out with this website, people are going to take any exposition of lies involved with the marketing of a MLM product Personally… “you are just jealous!” “your disgruntled and don’t have ‘what it takes’ to make it”.

    In reality, these people have very little in their lives that don’t revolve around something lacking in themselves that they’ve been convinced will only be fulfilled with the “millions of dollars” they “deserve.”

    I commend you for this site! I have one other piece of advice to take or leave… I read Glenn Siesser’s threats (“People are watching you, following you and marking you. You game will soon come to an end so hopefully you will be smart enough to drop your curtains before they are dropped for you.”) and was immediately struck with the suspicion that he is referring to “gang stalking” or “cause stalking.”

    If you haven’t heard of this tactic, PLEASE look into it for your own safety and sanity. It is a very simple concept, a group of like-minded individuals (perhaps affiliated with business clubs or ‘activist’ church groups) is told a lies about a potential victim like “they have a history of pedophilia in the town they moved from;” and out a sense of mis-guided ‘duty’ to what is “right”, these people are convinced that in order ensure that the victim doesn’t offend again, they need to follow, disrupt, and antagonize the victim anonymously.

    The point of the activity being: if the victim tries to report suspicious activities, police (who may be in on the group) dismiss the charges as Paranoid-Schizophrenic babble; while the various seemingly unrelated but strange things the group does to the person can range from innocuous hang-up phone calls and juvenile pranks (delivery of 50 pizzas) to dangerous car following/menacing and electronic harassment.

    There are similar stories of this type of stalking from activists, whistle-blowers, and individuals involved in nasty divorces/custody disputes ALL OVER THE COUNTRY! There is even pretty credible evidence linking the activities of these types of groups to CIA/FBI spooks who cannot legally engage in the behavior on american soil directly. Here is a link to a page in which the author tries to inform through a series of comics. http://www.targcomics.net/

    If you are really effecting the bottom line of the profit makers involved with this mlm scam/cult, then you need to be aware of lengths sickos will go to protect that which they perceive as what they “deserve.”

    Good Luck! Thanks for your work!

 
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