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	<description>Is MonaVie a Scam?</description>
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		<title>By: Vogel</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-mmun-dr-paul-clayton-and-wellmune/comment-page-3/#comment-11250</link>
		<dc:creator>Vogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 22:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No such study on Monavie exists. There was an anthrax study done in 2003 on beta-glucans injected in mice (not consumed orally in humans). It does not appear that the product was Wellmune, the beta-glucan ingredient in Monavie M-mun. 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12827062

The researchers, who were affiliated with a company called Biophage Pharma, seem to have abandoned this line of research (presumably due to lack of positive results at some stage), because nothing has been published on anthrax and beta glucans since 2003.

Mentioning this study in a Monavie product pitch is misleading and illegal, and it violates Monavie&#039;s policies (which, pathetically, are never enforced).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No such study on Monavie exists. There was an anthrax study done in 2003 on beta-glucans injected in mice (not consumed orally in humans). It does not appear that the product was Wellmune, the beta-glucan ingredient in Monavie M-mun.<br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12827062" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12827062</a></p>
<p>The researchers, who were affiliated with a company called Biophage Pharma, seem to have abandoned this line of research (presumably due to lack of positive results at some stage), because nothing has been published on anthrax and beta glucans since 2003.</p>
<p>Mentioning this study in a Monavie product pitch is misleading and illegal, and it violates Monavie&#8217;s policies (which, pathetically, are never enforced).</p>
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		<title>By: Alackaday</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-mmun-dr-paul-clayton-and-wellmune/comment-page-3/#comment-11246</link>
		<dc:creator>Alackaday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend&#039;s father has recently joined MonaVie and unfortunately I sometimes get sneakily invited to dinner-slash-let&#039;s-sell-juice-to-the-ignorant-masses parties. At the last one I was coerced into/attended, a speaker cited a random study done by MonaVie scientists and said that doses of the drink (although he never said how much) have been shown to improve symptoms of anthrax exposure in lab rats. Of course this had everyone oohing and aahing, but have any of you found any evidence that comes even remotely close to backing this up? It sounds completely fantastical (I mean, who would approve using ANTHRAX - a highly virulent, level 3 bacteria - in something as trivial as a MonaVie study, I ask you?) If you have any info, I&#039;d really like to hear about it! Sorry if you&#039;ve already discussed this as well, I&#039;ve only gotten through about 2/3rds of the posts here. Very interesting discussions!

And really, can I just get this off my chest? It&#039;s a *ahemcough* pyramid scheme *cough*. When you require your members to buy a case every month and your business plan is what you call a &quot;tree&quot; (but really, isn&#039;t anything that grows exponentially actually an inverted PYRAMID, hmm?) it sure sounds fishy to me. So honestly, the product doesn&#039;t matter. It could be cutlery or cleaning products, but as long as the get-rich-quickers keep flocking to this company, the bigwigs will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Sorry. Cathartic moment there. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend&#8217;s father has recently joined MonaVie and unfortunately I sometimes get sneakily invited to dinner-slash-let&#8217;s-sell-juice-to-the-ignorant-masses parties. At the last one I was coerced into/attended, a speaker cited a random study done by MonaVie scientists and said that doses of the drink (although he never said how much) have been shown to improve symptoms of anthrax exposure in lab rats. Of course this had everyone oohing and aahing, but have any of you found any evidence that comes even remotely close to backing this up? It sounds completely fantastical (I mean, who would approve using ANTHRAX &#8211; a highly virulent, level 3 bacteria &#8211; in something as trivial as a MonaVie study, I ask you?) If you have any info, I&#8217;d really like to hear about it! Sorry if you&#8217;ve already discussed this as well, I&#8217;ve only gotten through about 2/3rds of the posts here. Very interesting discussions!</p>
<p>And really, can I just get this off my chest? It&#8217;s a *ahemcough* pyramid scheme *cough*. When you require your members to buy a case every month and your business plan is what you call a &#8220;tree&#8221; (but really, isn&#8217;t anything that grows exponentially actually an inverted PYRAMID, hmm?) it sure sounds fishy to me. So honestly, the product doesn&#8217;t matter. It could be cutlery or cleaning products, but as long as the get-rich-quickers keep flocking to this company, the bigwigs will be laughing all the way to the bank.</p>
<p>Sorry. Cathartic moment there. =)</p>
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		<title>By: MonaVie Scam</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonaVie Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now &quot;for the first time, you have the tools...&quot;  I&#039;m glad that MonaVie invented fruit... oh wait they didn&#039;t.  

They just took existing fruit and stripped it of vitamins, minerals and fiber, and then marketed up the result by 10,000% or so.

I&#039;m really not surprised by any of the things that Dr. Clayton says anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now &#8220;for the first time, you have the tools&#8230;&#8221;  I&#8217;m glad that MonaVie invented fruit&#8230; oh wait they didn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>They just took existing fruit and stripped it of vitamins, minerals and fiber, and then marketed up the result by 10,000% or so.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really not surprised by any of the things that Dr. Clayton says anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Aussie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Aussie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 06:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um....is he even talking about fruit juice??!!

How can this company continue to make such outlandish claims about their products considering they continue to fail to provide information which confirms what precisely (and the quantities) are in it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230;.is he even talking about fruit juice??!!</p>
<p>How can this company continue to make such outlandish claims about their products considering they continue to fail to provide information which confirms what precisely (and the quantities) are in it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Vogel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 17:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Paul Clayton is Still a Lying Idiot&lt;/b&gt;

These are a few of Clayton’s latest stunningly dimwitted quotes from the 2010 “Monavie Vision” distributor meeting:

“The reason why I’m here is that the research that I’ve been doing for the last 5 years or so has been enough to convince me that with the Monavie drinks -- the Monavie products -- and with you, the Monavie team, you have the capacity, you have the potential to have more of an impact on our appalling public health than the medical profession, the pharmaceutical industry, and governments put together.”

“This is just a taste of things to come. You now have access to a set of prophylactic and maybe eventually therapeutic tools which are actually more potent and a darn sight safer -- more effective -- than anything that the drug companies can provide.” 

“Ladies and gentleman we need to change our healthcare system. It’s cruel; it’s expensive; it doesn’t work; and we kill far too many people with the adverse effects of the medications we use. That’s unnecessary. We can do better. And now, for the first time, you actually have the tools -- and for the first time, we have the people -- to bring this revolution forward. You’re in the front line folks – it’s up to you.”

Clayton is an irresponsible self-serving a-hole who is flaunting FDA regulations and jeopardizing public health to promote this pathetic horse-piss scam juice. My disdain for this arrogant charlatan knows no limits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Paul Clayton is Still a Lying Idiot</b></p>
<p>These are a few of Clayton’s latest stunningly dimwitted quotes from the 2010 “Monavie Vision” distributor meeting:</p>
<p>“The reason why I’m here is that the research that I’ve been doing for the last 5 years or so has been enough to convince me that with the Monavie drinks &#8212; the Monavie products &#8212; and with you, the Monavie team, you have the capacity, you have the potential to have more of an impact on our appalling public health than the medical profession, the pharmaceutical industry, and governments put together.”</p>
<p>“This is just a taste of things to come. You now have access to a set of prophylactic and maybe eventually therapeutic tools which are actually more potent and a darn sight safer &#8212; more effective &#8212; than anything that the drug companies can provide.” </p>
<p>“Ladies and gentleman we need to change our healthcare system. It’s cruel; it’s expensive; it doesn’t work; and we kill far too many people with the adverse effects of the medications we use. That’s unnecessary. We can do better. And now, for the first time, you actually have the tools &#8212; and for the first time, we have the people &#8212; to bring this revolution forward. You’re in the front line folks – it’s up to you.”</p>
<p>Clayton is an irresponsible self-serving a-hole who is flaunting FDA regulations and jeopardizing public health to promote this pathetic horse-piss scam juice. My disdain for this arrogant charlatan knows no limits.</p>
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		<title>By: Candace</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-mmun-dr-paul-clayton-and-wellmune/comment-page-3/#comment-6862</link>
		<dc:creator>Candace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous Aussie said:
&lt;blockquote&gt; It’s not unlike the behaviour as described by some former Amway reps – people alienating themselves, mass hysteria, rejecting what were previously reliable sources and accepting only what is being told by the comopany and its reps. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s because many of these &quot;top level&quot; or &quot;kingpin&quot; distributors have come from Amway. Namely Brig Hart and Orrin Woodward. Both were &quot;allowed&quot;, or enticed and encouraged to bring along their existing Amway lines of sponsorships when they &quot;joined&quot; MonaVie. (after the obligatory 6 month inactive time to satisfy the Amway lawyers, of course).

Amway is where these two cut their shyster teeth, and honed their tool selling skills. 

There is much detailed commentary regarding this topic on Lazy Man&#039;s MonaVie post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous Aussie said:</p>
<blockquote><p> It’s not unlike the behaviour as described by some former Amway reps – people alienating themselves, mass hysteria, rejecting what were previously reliable sources and accepting only what is being told by the comopany and its reps. </p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s because many of these &#8220;top level&#8221; or &#8220;kingpin&#8221; distributors have come from Amway. Namely Brig Hart and Orrin Woodward. Both were &#8220;allowed&#8221;, or enticed and encouraged to bring along their existing Amway lines of sponsorships when they &#8220;joined&#8221; MonaVie. (after the obligatory 6 month inactive time to satisfy the Amway lawyers, of course).</p>
<p>Amway is where these two cut their shyster teeth, and honed their tool selling skills. </p>
<p>There is much detailed commentary regarding this topic on Lazy Man&#8217;s MonaVie post.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Aussie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Aussie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely oustanding reading and work by Juice Scam and Vogel to uncover yet another fraudster joining the ranks of the Monavie posse.

No member of any reputable medical fraternity or the like would stand up and promote Monavie - any why would they considering Monavie is proven to be poor nutrition.

The Indianapolis Regional Meeting is distrubing to say the least - I used to think that people were defending their distorted belief in this company because of greed but I&#039;m starting to think it&#039;ss deeper than that for some....bordering on cult like?

It&#039;s not unlike the behaviour as described by some former Amway reps - people alienating themselves, mass hysteria, rejecting what were previously reliable sources and accepting only what is being told by the comopany and its reps.

I&#039;d rather be on planet Kelmar than have my brain turned to mush by Dallin Larceny and his cronies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely oustanding reading and work by Juice Scam and Vogel to uncover yet another fraudster joining the ranks of the Monavie posse.</p>
<p>No member of any reputable medical fraternity or the like would stand up and promote Monavie &#8211; any why would they considering Monavie is proven to be poor nutrition.</p>
<p>The Indianapolis Regional Meeting is distrubing to say the least &#8211; I used to think that people were defending their distorted belief in this company because of greed but I&#8217;m starting to think it&#8217;ss deeper than that for some&#8230;.bordering on cult like?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not unlike the behaviour as described by some former Amway reps &#8211; people alienating themselves, mass hysteria, rejecting what were previously reliable sources and accepting only what is being told by the comopany and its reps.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather be on planet Kelmar than have my brain turned to mush by Dallin Larceny and his cronies.</p>
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		<title>By: Vogel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for saving me the trouble of replying JS. My typing tentacles are sore today and it&#039;s a planet wide bank holiday on Kelmar, so I was hoping to spend the day swimming instead of at my computer. 

I have to say quickly though that it&#039;s quite remarkable how none of the distributors are willing to abide by their contract and post their name/ID#s. I&#039;m not remotely surprised; they wouldn&#039;t be able to get away with saying such stupid deceitful things if they complied. Nonetheless, it sure doesn&#039;t establish credibility when the distributors are so embarrassed by their own behavior that they won&#039;t honor the terms of the contract they signed. It proves in one fell swoop that they are dishonest. If you make a deal, you should stand by it right? I didn&#039;t make a deal; I didn&#039;t sign a contract; I&#039;m not selling anything; and I post information that anyone can verify for themselves. I hate arguments from authority (almost as much as I hate ad hominem attacks like the one Clip-Clop squirted out) so I purposely do not discuss my credentials here. I wouldn&#039;t want people to believe me at face value merely because of who I might claim to be; I want them to read for themselves -- and they are. That&#039;s great. Talk to you soon...I&#039;m going swimmin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for saving me the trouble of replying JS. My typing tentacles are sore today and it&#8217;s a planet wide bank holiday on Kelmar, so I was hoping to spend the day swimming instead of at my computer. </p>
<p>I have to say quickly though that it&#8217;s quite remarkable how none of the distributors are willing to abide by their contract and post their name/ID#s. I&#8217;m not remotely surprised; they wouldn&#8217;t be able to get away with saying such stupid deceitful things if they complied. Nonetheless, it sure doesn&#8217;t establish credibility when the distributors are so embarrassed by their own behavior that they won&#8217;t honor the terms of the contract they signed. It proves in one fell swoop that they are dishonest. If you make a deal, you should stand by it right? I didn&#8217;t make a deal; I didn&#8217;t sign a contract; I&#8217;m not selling anything; and I post information that anyone can verify for themselves. I hate arguments from authority (almost as much as I hate ad hominem attacks like the one Clip-Clop squirted out) so I purposely do not discuss my credentials here. I wouldn&#8217;t want people to believe me at face value merely because of who I might claim to be; I want them to read for themselves &#8212; and they are. That&#8217;s great. Talk to you soon&#8230;I&#8217;m going swimmin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Clip Clop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clip Clop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been following this thread for a while.  Pretty obvious that Vogel has a hang-up about something and is the type of person who is going to pick holes in anything just to kick up a stink and make himself feel knowledgable and gain kudos from the Internet community - I would second tat request to know Vogel&#039;s background and why his emotionally loaded attacks. Let&#039;s get back to facts and figures. Keep up the good work those others who care about actual results and quality of life.

&lt;b&gt;[Editor&#039;s Note:&lt;/b&gt; We have previously concluded that Vogel is a giant space octopus from the planet Kelmar.  If you want to get back to facts and figures, it is best to provide some yourself rather than try to shift the focus the conversation another commenter.  Space Octopi and Kelmar are not related to MonaVie.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been following this thread for a while.  Pretty obvious that Vogel has a hang-up about something and is the type of person who is going to pick holes in anything just to kick up a stink and make himself feel knowledgable and gain kudos from the Internet community &#8211; I would second tat request to know Vogel&#8217;s background and why his emotionally loaded attacks. Let&#8217;s get back to facts and figures. Keep up the good work those others who care about actual results and quality of life.</p>
<p><b>[Editor's Note:</b> We have previously concluded that Vogel is a giant space octopus from the planet Kelmar.  If you want to get back to facts and figures, it is best to provide some yourself rather than try to shift the focus the conversation another commenter.  Space Octopi and Kelmar are not related to MonaVie.]</p>
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		<title>By: Vogel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might I suggest that if Chris or any other Monavie meat puppets continue to post off topic comments, that they be removed. None of his comments have anything to do with Paul Clayton or Wellmune. I think his goal is to drown out the signal with noise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might I suggest that if Chris or any other Monavie meat puppets continue to post off topic comments, that they be removed. None of his comments have anything to do with Paul Clayton or Wellmune. I think his goal is to drown out the signal with noise.</p>
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