MonaVie Lies about the ORAC score of MonaVie? |
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Let’s make this short and sweet…
However, the AIBMR study done by Dr. Alex Schauss concludes “the total antioxidant capacity of the JB (i.e. MonaVie) measured by ORAC is 22.8 umol/mL.” Using simple math, we can conclude that 4 ounces (or 118ml) of MonaVie has an ORAC score of 2690 (22.8 multiplied by 118 is 2690). AIBMR’s research is sponsored by MonaVie and done by MonaVie Advisor Dr. Alex Schauss.
MonaVie knows that the ORAC score of four ounces of it’s juice is 2690, but claims it has nearly twice that in the material they circulate to the public and distributors. Isn’t that lying? What am I missing here?
Originally posted 2009-10-31 08:32:23.
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November 19th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Dear Sir, After being in Monavie for some time and having high blood pressure , type 2 diabetes, high chlorestrol, psoriasis, to name a few problems personally I have had . My doctor & I conferred on this and decided to do a complete blood study before taking monavie for a month at 2oz am & 2oz pm to see the results. My blodd pressure with taking 5 different medicenes for BP average about 162-180over 88 to 100 all the time . After on Monavie for a month still taking the pills, it lowered to 132/78 consistantlly now. My wife ’s lowered to 118/72 and is stable. All the while our Cholestrol came down to a near perfect amount overall in the chemical makeup. My Psoriasis is gone completely, we have all kinds of energy and the best thing is we’re getting 5-7 hrs, of sleep every night! When you say this is a scam it is obivious you DON”T have all the true facts. Many , many people are being helped on different levels and now there is proof ( Univ of Fla. ) that Monavie is helping in the attack on cancer cells in the human body. This not hype as the FDA has just released the info. As for the business end of this company, I too was in AMway for many years and rose to a very high level. Amway , though, was structured different as many other companies are. The people that have done well in this co, have done so on their own. My wife & I have done, & continue to do the same and the Good Lord is blessing us each step of the way. I know first hand about self employment after 48 yrs in my own business ( successful too ) This is Not as you protray it sir, but rather a business where anyone no matter the level of income or status can & DO make a better life for they and their families.
November 19th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Paul,
What does that have to do with MonaVie lying about how much ORAC is in the juice?
There are four very obvious problems with your medical talk here:
1) MonaVie has not been approved to help with psoriasis. It’s largely sugar which is something that people with diabetes should really think twice about.
2) We have no way to verify your claims are truthful. I could post that MonaVie raised my blood pressure and we’d have a stalemate.
3) We don’t know if there are outside factors that contributed to your blood pressure. It could be something as simple as having less stress because you saw something funny on television. We simply don’t know as you weren’t part of a controlled medical study.
4) All the results, again if true, can be attributed to the placebo effect (look it up) meaning that you could just get the effect from something much cheaper.
Show me that information from the FDA. Until you do, I’ll just say that Univ of Michigan showed that MonaVie causes cancer cells in the body. That way we’ll both have unverified claims cancelling the two out.
As for the business, even MonaVie is Embarrassed by Their Income Disclosure Statement. So maybe it’s possible for anyone to succeed in the business, but it’s also possible for almost anyone to beat Tiger Woods in golf. It’s not extremely, extremely unlikely to the point that the thought isn’t worth entertaining.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:20 am
Hey Guys,
First off, I agree with the article that MonaVie is bad at telling the truth. I don’t feel I can say yes to the offer of an “in” to the company. On the other hand, University of Florida did publish a report (go to http://news.ufl.edu/2006/01/12/berries/). The Research doesn’t not, however, conclude that MonaVie is a miracle to all mankind. The FDA has conclude that all comments of this kind would also violate the Law (see FDA website: http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/EnforcementActivitiesbyFDA/CyberLetters/ucm056937.pdf) Anyway The UF research finds that acai (relatively high with antioxidents) does kill some cancer cells, BUT “Other fruits, including grapes, guavas and mangoes, contain antioxidants shown to kill cancer cells in similar studies”. Also the report states ” ‘This was only a cell-culture model and we don’t want to give anyone false hope,’ Talcott said. ”
My question is why the offense can’t get behind a good strong offense? “Monavie Scam” send me an email and I’ll try to get together a research paper for you.
Ben
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:51 am
The report from the University of Florida that you cite is years old. Talcott has since said that he regretted how blown out of proportion it was taken. For what it’s worth, vitamin C destroys cancer cells in a lab too: see some articles here: http://www.google.com/search?q=vitamin+c+destroy+cancer+cells.
Also, it’s important to note that MonaVie isn’t acai and acai isn’t MonaVie. There are sources of 100% acai out there (Sambazon and Bon Dia come to mind), while the acai in MonaVie is diluted by 18 other fruits. In the end you don’t know how much acai you are getting in MonaVie.
Ben, I’m sending you an e-mail now, because I don’t under what you mean by, “My question is why the offense can’t get behind a good strong offense?”
December 24th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Folks, FDA does not approve or disprove any natural products only pharmaceuticals. This is a known fact. You won’t get any FDA backing on a product that is natural. Now add in some Drugs and the FDA will pay attention. Until then, good luck looking for FDA information.
December 24th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Remember that the “F” in FDA is for “food.”
The FDA won’t back products, but they can make it so that companies that have plant sterols in them can make claims about cholesterol. Other similar claims can be made legal or illegal depending on what they allow (according to my understanding).
They can also look at the labeling and conclude whether MonaVie is consistent in their guidelines. For instance MonaVie lists freeze dried acai at the top of it’s ingredient list and it mathematically can’t be (by what we know about the ORAC of MonaVie and freeze-dried acai).
January 1st, 2010 at 3:54 pm
why does it seem the only ones to comment are obvious monavie corpate people, always trying to tell about a medical condition. I think the thing that is helping them is a positive attitude, which is a good thing at first till you start believing all the hub-bub about it they want you to believe and you end up telling that to everyone you know because you don’t know better, and to lazy to look it up. One of my friends was telling me that monavie has 16 serving’s of fruit and i thought that was impossible……..it sucks when its your friends being brainwashed and they aren’t smart enough to realize it.
January 6th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
YES the ‘F’ in FDA is for food but EVERYONE knows that uless you are putting DRUGS of some sort into something they dont really pay much attention. If you really think about it, people ‘way back when’ used to live a lot longer due to ALL THE FRESH FRUITS they would eat. Now a days, most people live off fast food and processed food. They lived longer becuase their bodies were getting the ‘good stuff’ from all the fresh fruits they were eating and they didnt have all the fat and additives that most of our food is not a day. MonaVie gives you an ‘easy way’ to get in all your fruits every day! Yes, you say that it is expensive… have you ever gone to the grocery store and bought ORGANIG fruits and a variety at that??? PROBABLY NOT, and if you have you would know how expensive that was… probably ends up being about the same!
January 6th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
No one here is arguing against eating fresh fruit. In fact, I’m recommending it.
The problem is that MonaVie doesn’t give you an easy way to get your fruits in. Their product specialists admitted it here.
MonaVie is not a substitute for eating fruit. And because it is not a substitute, you still have to pay for all the fruit (organic or otherwise) that should be part of a healthy diet.
So if you are drinking MonaVie you are paying double (once for MonaVie and once for the fruits that give you all the nutrition that’s not in MonaVie). That’s what really gets expensive.
January 6th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
I understand that part of it… it SHOULD NOT totally replace the fruits you eat but it is a way to get in the variety of fruits that you need. Have you ever tried MonaVie???
January 6th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Did you read the part where the product specialist says, “By consuming four ounces, you receive the approximate ORAC equivalent of 5 to 13 servings of commonly eaten fruit and vegetables. Please understand this refers to the antioxidant value (ORAC) and not to specific vitamins, minerals or other nutrients your body needs.”?
That means it is NOT a way to get in the variety of fruits that you need. It’s that kind of think that makes people think, “Eh, I had a shot of MonaVie for breakfast, so I don’t need to eat any fruit for awhile” That’s just not healthy thinking.
Have you looked into V8 Fusion? Using your same logic it is a way to get in a variety of fruits as well. And it costs a whole lot less. I’m not some V8 Fusion marketer or anything, but there are a number of examples out there of similar juices.
Just curious, why would anyone want to try MonaVie? What is there to be gained from it? At the very best it’s worse than eating fruit. There’s nothing in MonaVie that can make it equal to eating fruit and from their product specialist it could be a good deal worse.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
I actually have tried V8 fusion along with a few other juices of the same nature. I AM open minded and willing to try things BEFORE trying to talk poorly about a company. I did not like V8 fusion, I did not like the other juices I tried either. I tried MonaVie, I liked the taste of it but after my case ran out (about a month) I too was ready to ‘give up’ on MonaVie as well, I didnt ‘feel’ anything… so I stopped drinking it… Thats when I really realized the things that it had done for me! So, Mr Negativity… think what you want about it but at least I was open minded enough to TRY other things, you on the other hand really have NO right to talk about a company when you yourself have not tried it!
January 6th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
I didn’t say whether I tried the juice or not. It’s a silly question for 3 reasons:
1) There’s no way to verify whether I’m telling the truth about having tried it or not. It’s like when a distributor claims that they “felt” something while drinking MonaVie. It’s not verifiable evidence so it can’t be considered.
2) It’s an irrelevant question and I proved the point why in the last paragraph of my last comment.
3) Have you tried every product in GNC store? Have you tried every wine in the world or eating a pound of caviar for 30 days straight? The simple fact is that no one person can try everything. There’s just not enough money and time to do it. So instead of trying everything, we use logic to narrow down the number of things out there.
You might want to read being open-minded about MonaVie before you call someone else closed minded.
An open-minded person has curiosity and asks the difficult questions looking for answers. The question I asked in this post is why does it look like MonaVie is lying about the ORAC score of MonaVie and inflating it to look better than it is?
A close-minded person ignores that fact. A close-minded person calls a person who is trying to save people thousands of dollars Mr. Negativity.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
damn i’m tired of reading of some monavie pompous saying people are negative people cause they are smart enough not to get ripped off from mr. ripoff. i’ve got friends who tell me i’m a negative person for trying to explain the facts, but sometimes the facts aren’t positive unless your talking about saving saving money which seems pretty positive (to me atleast), but if getting ripped off is a positive view to you do it, but don’t call people negative cause your not selling them your juice.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:32 am
I have read both sides of this argument,.debate,. what ever this is, and I can conclude that Mona Vie is a new product that a whole lot of people are talking about. I myself have tried it, and I like it. I have also tried many juices with the Acai berry in it and they were good as well. The great thing about Mona Vie is it is a chance to grow a company and be a part of making the money that goes along with it. Girl guide cookies sure aren’t good for you but people buy them everyday. Why would you want to scare people out of a business that is just helping people have hope to make some money and have a better life for themselves. I wouldn’t scam anyone. I look at the business aspect. It is a juice,. it is a company looking to share the profit of selling the juice. If people want to be a part, why not? A lot of the people putting this down are negative, why? I don’t sell the juice but maybe I will some day. I enjoy it! I know other people who enjoy it as well. Nobody is getting ripped off. If you have the money to buy the juice, good, if you don’t, well then don’t.Testing on most things vary.If someone feels better even with a placebo, is that such a bad thing? Some one is still feeling good rather than bad. These people aren’t making you do anything, yet you are trying to make people do what you want. I myself enjoy positive outlooks, and I think this company just might have what I’m looking for.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:35 am
People buy the Girl Scout cookies, because it supports the Girl Scouts and their activities. I have asked them numerous times to start providing more healthy options and have noticed that they sell various mixed nuts now. At least we are adding some protein and cutting down on the sugar. Another thing to note is that there is reported very, very little money going to the Girl Scouts. You are better off just make a donation to the group if you want to help them out. Then go and buy some cookies or whatever healthy option you see fit.
MonaVie doesn’t help people. That’s really the bottom line. It’s expensive juice that isn’t shown to be more valuable that any of the stuff that you find in the store for 1/10th or 1/20th the price. The product is being marketed illegally by distributors as providing health benefits that it doesn’t. You don’t see that going on with store juice.
People buy things they can’t afford all the time. How many people do you see driving around in cars that cost $70,000 who don’t have any significant retirement savings… a lot. That’s where the logic of “If you have the money to buy the juice, good, if you don’t, well then don’t.”
“If someone feels better even with a placebo, is that such a bad thing?” Yes, it’s a very bad thing. It means that it’s not treating the cause of the problem and will probably give you a false sense of security. This could mean not getting checked out medically until it’s too late. Oops, sorry, the placebo just killed someone. I’m exaggerating, but you get the point.
“These people aren’t making you do anything, yet you are trying to make people do what you want.”
I don’t know what you are talking about here. I’m not making anyone do anything. I’m simply proving that there’s little value to buying MonaVie so that everyone has the facts. If what I’m saying is factually incorrect here, let me know and I’ll fix it.
March 8th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Scam,
You amuse me. These are some of the funniest threads I’ve ready in quite awhile.
Can’t believe someone would put so much energy into a debate about a nutritional beverage.
I guess you’ve found your calling. Yikes!
March 9th, 2010 at 11:03 am
I agree with you Fred, I think that MV Scam has way to much time on their hands… and it is very funny to say the least! lol… is only one were more open minded and not so ‘negative nancy’!
March 9th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
I guess if we don’t waste our time trying to sell fruit punch in a shiney bottle to our friends and family, we would have time on our hands. Maybe you should grab hold of some ethics, and give it a try.
March 9th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
FRIUT PUNCH?!?! Really??? that right there shows that you truely know NOTHING about MonaVie! It is WAY more then a ‘fruit punch’ but you think what you want… and spend all your time being negative…
March 9th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
trying to show people how to spend money smart is so positive, you just call it negative cause it doesn’t net monavie dollars you sound like a hypocrite, like saying invest in something not proven especially any thing medical needs special proof one would think and then call someone else negative for saying its a waste of money, i bet if it was non-profit no one would care. but is not and its all about the money for us and you, we say its not a fair price you tell us it is when we ask for proof you start name calling, cause you ain’t got no proof.
March 9th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Fruit punch is various fruit juices mixed with water. Tell me how MonaVie differs from that?
Other than the ridiculous price.
I’m confidant that I know more about MonaVie than any of their distributors. Feel free to challenge me on the science of the product.