MonaVie is Embarrassed by Their Income Disclosure Statement?

This is pretty shady. But then again the entire idea of preaching about the acai and refusing to disclose how much is actually in the bottle is pretty shady too.

I am also not a big fan of the way income disclosures are prepared. There needs to be a greater distinction between the people who join to buy at wholesale and those who join to build a business.
According to their own statement 87% of the people filling out the distributor agreement are doing it to get the discount pricing. Look at the top 13% on the disclaimer (roughly the star 500’s and above) who come in and build the business make money.

DO YOUR HOMEWORK PEOPLE! Monavie is not profitable!

Monavie Business Structure
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Monavie pays a team commission of 10% of PV on the smallest leg when a distributor becomes active/qualifies. And in order to be active for team commissions, a distributor needs to buy 1-case at $130.

With this in mind, a distributor buys 1-case (4 bottles) for $130. They have 13 distributors buying 1-case (at $130/mo) for 100 PV which creates 1300 PV on the smallest leg. 10% of 1300 PV is $130…the one distributor breaks even.

Therefore, a minimum of 26 distributors are needed to buy a case free and clear per month, and at least 13 need to be on the smallest leg ordering 100 PV.

26 distributors = 1 case (your profit $130)[that's if all 26 are buying a case per month from you]
52 distributors = 2 cases (your profit $260)[that's if all 52 are buying a case per month from you])
104 distributors = 3 cases (your profit $520))[that's if all 104 are buying a case per month from you]

Needing 26 people below you ordering 100 PV (at $130/mo) to be profitable is a tough road for the average distributor, and the mathematics aren’t adding up into getting new distributors in to profit quickly.

Monavie Sales Figures
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Monavie uses “alternative marketing” or what’s known as “Back Door Marketing” in where Monavie gets all their money upfront when they sell a case and you are stuck with the product to sell, as opposed to a real distributor where you sell a company’s product with no money upfront and earn a commission. So in all reality a Monavie distributor is nothing more than a customer. [excerpt Monavie ID statement: individuals who executed a MonaVie Distributor Application and Agreement are considered wholesale customers]

So now let’s get into money. According to Monavie’s marketing sheet the average case profit is $30.

1 case (4 bottles) divided by $30 = $7.50 profit per bottle. and that doesnt even include shipping, traveling, and business expenses!

Alternatively if you divide the average hours per month required to sell Monavie as mentioned on their pamphlet it’s 32 hours.

So let’s say you sell a case a month.

32 hours of labor divided by $30 = $1 an hour. So in essence a Monavie distributor makes an average of $1 an hour. That’s less than minimum wage! and that doesnt even include shipping, traveling, and business expenses!

Or you could take it from Monavie’s own statistics that the average income of distributors is $3.75 a week. See link below.

http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2008/10/29/massive-monavie-distributors-losses-demonstrated-with-the-companys-own-numbers/

No matter which way you do the math it doesnt work out, and that’s if you can even find people to buy $40 a bottle juice in a market where people rarely are even buying $40 wine!

Do you see that is a pyramid scheme? Everyone has to get everyone down the line to buy more so they can get their juice for free. It turns out to not work. Look at the Income Disclosure Statement, and you can see that some 85% are working 300 hours a year or 37.5 full time working days (nearly two months of full-time work) for their “free juice.”

That is true that a preferred customer isn’t a distributor. I thought you meant distributor there. I’m new to this “preferred customer” terminology that MonaVie is using as they didn’t use in the two previous years that I looked at it.

So going back to it from a preferred customer standpoint… You are saying “If you are getting 2 cases a month than you get 5 preferred customers getting 2 cases a month.” So I have to find 5 people dumb enough to spend $240 (a fair estimate of what 2 cases a month costs?) a month on juice that is not thirst quenching (too small a serving size)? That’s the cost of a car lease for some cars. It’s not easy convincing a family that they should give you nearly $3000 a year. For that kind of dough, you need to show that it without a shadow of a doubt much, much better than any juice out there. For that price a smart consumer will want real scientifically proven evidence it’s better than anything else on the market. If you want to make a career of asking smart consumers to spend $3,000 a year on the product, you either better be good at providing the evidence (none of which exists to my knowledge), or use much of the misinformation that we’ve seen around here like acai has “protein profile of an egg.” Whether that’s true or not doesn’t matter as MonaVie actually has 0 grams of protein in it.

The pyramid scheme then comes in when those preferred customers realize that you are getting your juice for free and decide they don’t want to spend $2880 a year either. So they realize that they just need to become a distributor as well. Now they need to find 5 more people.

I’ve responded with my motivations way too many times. Read my article here, where I only try to find out more information on MonaVie. Then read The Consumerist article giving an unbiased account of how they tried to bully me around with lawyers, because I’m (with massive help of some others) are just putting the basic truth out there.

That truths is:
- There is no evidence that there’s an exceptional health benefit in this juice… or that this juice is any more healthy than other much cheaper juices out there.
- The juice is priced at an exceptional cost
- Distributors are lining their pockets with lies and misinformation (whether intentional or not is not my concern).

How is this helpful to fellow Man?

No protein in this label – http://static.lazymanandmoney.com/MonaVie.jpg

Are you going claim that isn’t a MonaVie label? If you are to claim that it’s not a current label, can you direct me to the nutritional information on MonaVie’s official site? I couldn’t find it the last time I looked.

“How do you get people to spend $240 a month on cigarettes?”

Make them think that it’s cool by having movie stars smoke them and once they are addicted to nicotine, they can’t stop. I have never met a smoker who hasn’t regretted starting smoking. Stopping smoking is a cause worth my while, but I’d be preaching to the choir. Unfortunately, no amount of words I write are going to overpower someone’s addiction. Fortunately, to my knowledge there are no addictive properties in MonaVie (at least not yet!), so a logical argument still has some weight.

Plus, most major brands of cigarettes are priced near each other. There isn’t one brand claiming to be super-healthy and charging a 10x-20x premium to all other cigarettes. You can be sure that if that kind of thing happens, I’ll start a blog against that brand and say, “Hey, smoking isn’t cool and it isn’t healthy. It’s not a good financial decision either. However, this company is clearly lying about the health benefits as all the tests show, and they are duping you into paying 10x more than the already expensive cigarettes. Do something worthwhile and just put the money directly in a charity instead of making that company rich with misinformation and lies.”

“Someone that is drinking 3 sodas a day is spending what it cost to drink Monavie.”

I wish you’d have read all the comments here before you make the same argument that has been addressed time and time again. I’m not going advocate that soda is healthy… it’s not. However, a 2-liter of Sam’s Choice soda is 76 cents at Wal-Mart (in one of the expenses in the country to live, Silicon Valley). This is more than 3 sodas a day. I don’t think MonaVie comes in at 50 cents a day. If it does, then it’s getting closer to being on par. However, the other comparison is that that 3 sodas is 36 ounces of thirst quenching beverage. Who has ever quenched their thirst with 2-4 ounces of fruit juice? You are comparing apples and oranges here.

Are the people drinking MonaVie healthier or do they just “Feel it”? You use the that “Feel it” quite a lot, in that paragraph. Sounds like someone needs and education in what a placebo is. Did you know that a bunch of college kids can “Feel” the effects of being drunk on non-alcoholic beer.

I’ll keep hating while you keep on trying to suppress the truth so that you can line your pockets with people’s hard earned cash. Sounds like neither of us are going to stop.

I don’t think people run into convenience stores three times a day. If they do, then I think they need to spend more time examining their spending. (Of course this applies to average people of average income or even those above it and not people who make millions, who have graduated beyond typical personal finance advice).

I don’t just have doctors that say that say that MonaVie is worthless. I have common sense (i.e. processed fruit juice can’t be better than eating fruit) and scientific studies that prove MonaVie lacks nutrition…

So doctors, common sense, and scientific tests… of course they are wastes of time and The Rest of the Story doesn’t really address any of them very well. It’s a good try, but I’m not surprised the he takes his ball and goes home.

Yeah the fact that Dean Edell is syndicated nationally in 90 markets really speaks how low-valued his opinions are (note the sarcasm).

Dean Edell is unbiased unlike MonaVie’s Doctors and Advisors. Are you going to take someone’s word who has nothing to gain or someone who is trying to sell more $45 bottles of juice? Clearly you go with the unbiased nationally syndicated doctor.

If you have proof that the other juices paid money to rank higher in the Men’s Journal / Chromadex study, then come out with it. If you do not it’s just conjecture on your part.

Even if one of the juices wanted to pay off Men’s Health, they’d have the problem of trying to pay off an independent lab like Chromadex.

Another problem is that MonaVie’s own Dr. Schauss’ tests came to the same conclusions of the Men’s Journal/Chromadex tests.

Which particular point am I wrong about? Do you have evidence to back up why you think I am wrong?

It never enhances a debate to make statements such as these. I will delete comments that don’t enhance the debate in the future.

Hey folks,

Although I can see how you can look at Monavie as a pyramid scam, I must humbly disagree at claim.

Basically, Monavie is taking a (so called) stand alone product, and selling it to the health/wellness market through direct sales of its distributors. The product sales are always at the consumer level (for both distributor and consumer alike). Whether you’ve got hundreds of people in your downline or not, the commissions are always payed out per qualified volume of product purchased per week (Monavie pays weekly). It does not matter how the structure works (binary, unilevel, etc.) as that is not what makes the company a pyramid, or a scam. What I believe makes a company a pyramid scam is that there would be major incentive to recruit others and not to move (sell) product. If all that company does is recruit and not move any product or service, than I would stay away from it! Just because a juice is expensive, or that the compensation plan sucks, or that the organization structure is a certain way (binary, unilevel, etc.) doesn’t mean its a scam (pyramid).

Another note: I would stay away from any company that endorses income disclosure statements as this is not a true snap shot of income reality average. In my experience, only the very top .1% to 1% of any company would be reflected in these statements and is thus an unreal document to use in any presentation. Also, stay away from any distributor/representative making any medical claims that their “product” is curing or eliminating any disease that they know. This practice will shut them down fast!

Hey Monavie Scam,

Thanks for the reply. OK, scam and pyramid are two different things. I see what you’re saying. Thanks for clarifying.

But let me give you another point of view…

Regarding “pyramids”…

If I was an owner/broker of a real estate firm, and wanted to recruit some help (other agents) into my organization due to my increased business – you would say, great! right? Let’s say that one of my hired agents wants to become a co-broker under my parent company, and, in turn, I earn a small residual percentage of his team’s performance, isn’t this a “pyramid”? Please tell me how this structure fails?

Regarding “scam”…

I think you’re missing the boat here. Just because something is “expensive” doesn’t make it a scam. You can go to Wal Mart and pick up a bottle of “Fuit-a-vie” for $17.50 and get similar results as Monavie’s product. You see, competition puts a smack down on overpriced stuff like Monavie’s Original, Active, or any other juice product. “Scams” and “overpriced” have nothing to do with each other. My point is that when a company builds its reputation solely on recruiting and no product/service is rendered – than that’s a different story.

IF you’d like another point of view on “pyramid”s and how they are pretty much everywhere – check out this simple video…
[Editor's note: Video removed until I review it...]

Hey MV Scam,

I was using the Broker recruiting agent scenario as an (simple) example of how similar “pyramids” work in the real world. So, Mr. MV Scam – can I ask – what do you do? Are you a business owner? If so, then congratulations! If not, then, are you an employee? If you’re an employee – then, do you work for someone who you answer to, um, like say a manager, or supervisor? And, do they answer to, um, say a Director or V.P.? And does the V.P. answer to a, um, say a CEO or President or Owner? Get the picture? Doesn’t this look like a, oh, don’t say it…. a pyramid? It’s called the chain of command – it’s used in all forms of business (even in the military). I’m not saying this is a bad thing… Call it what you want (pyramid, whatever) but it’s a more common structure than you think.

As for paying a high price for something – let me just say that if the consumer payed 30 bucks for a bottle of juice and then found out later that they could get a similar bottle of similar juice for a fraction of the cost, that sounds like a savings in cost from switching from one product to the next. A scam? I think not. If I was to leave Verizon and join Sprint and have a big savings in monthly expense as a result – I’m not going to say I was scammed by Verizon. That’s just childish. Again – let competition run the gamut. At one time, Monavie was the only direct sales company out there pushing the acai berry as a super food anti-oxidant, available in a juice, and, at the time, didn’t have much competition to keep their prices in check. But times change. It didn’t take long for the competition to offer alternatives.

I would like to see the clinical trials on what you’re talking about with Welch’s 100% Grape juice as compared to Monavie’s Original or Active Juice. I didn’t see it on the Men’s Journal site you presented. As a matter of fact, I didn’t see any peer review data for doing any clinical trials data with. Looks like comparing apples to oranges to me! Not a fair comparison when Monavie has 18 different fruits and Welche’s 100% grape juice has, um, grapes?

You’ve got to give more data than this. What is Welch’s ORAC score per ounce? Monavie’s is 1026 per gram, or over 50,000 ORAC per ounce.

Who, in Men’s journal did the testing? Where’s the clinical, peer reviewed trial article?

Oh, and btw- I’m not trying to make anyone ‘buy’ my logic – I’m just sharing another point of view, shedding light on the subject, so to say. I don’t know about you, but I think everyone else can make up their own minds when all the facts are presented. And, just to clear any confusion here – I’m not a Monavie distributor.

I should also mention that eating one apple is equivalent to drinking 9.5 ounces of MonaVie (in ORAC value): http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-vs-an-apple/

The $1.99 cinnamon that I have in my spice rack has 32 days worth of MonaVie’s ORAC: http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-13-fruits/

If your measure of MonaVie’s value is ORAC, MonaVie fails horribly. Any MonaVie proponent would best be served by pretending they have never heard of ORAC.

I am very impressed Monavie Scam – you are very serious about doing your diligence in researching Monavie. And, I’m humbled by your data. I just discovered that Dr. Shuass, albeit a very good speaker, isn’t even an MD.

As for the Verizon/Sprint comparison – it was only just that. And no, Verizon hasn’t scammed me. They may have overcharged me, but not scammed me. I must admit – you’ve done well to expose a new light for me.

Thanks!

This whole title is wacked. Monavie is not ashamed of their Income Disclosure sheet. If knew anything about the company you would know they make it a priority to show this at every tasting party and every big meeting. They want you to see how much each rank is making. They want you to know this isn’t a “get rich quick scheme” and it does take effort. This whole article really is just based on a bunch of BS you really have no idea what your talking about here son……..

Maybe because it’s constantly changing?

I’m telling you from first hand experience that Monavie does not shy away from the income disclosure form. They want people to see it that is why you will find it at almost every tasting party you go to or big event you go to. They are not shying away from it.

This is why I keep saying get involved with the company then Judge rather from the outside looking in.

You can merely pick out all the things you want to make it seem a certain way and put it in a negative light…….

Go to a meeting and they won’t tell you this is the easiest thing in the world to do and you can make make millions upon millions.

No they tell you this isn’t a get rich quick scheme, this is a simple business but it’s not easy. It takes patience and endurance and persistence. You have to overcome obstacles.

Go to a meeting or tasting party and they will have the income disclosure sheets readily available.

It’s not on Wikipedia because MonaVie deleted it. Can’t you read the story and the evidence? Maybe MonaVie doesn’t want people to see the IDS until they can sweet talk them into ignoring it. As Vogel points out, it dosen’t look too impressive with all the people earning so much less than minimum wage.

So I imagine that tasting parties and meetings are a different experience than letting anyone else just see it.

If MonaVie’s IDS blows other company’s away, it’s worth noting that it’s not good. Getting punched in the face blows away getting shot in the face with a bazooka, but I’d just assume avoid either one.

Rick,

Getting involved – does this mean you want us to join MonaVie? So, we need to join, to “understand” the compensation, the product, and the opportunity. Well, If this what you’re suggesting – then this is foolish. It’s a lot like our current congress in their hast to pass the monstrosity called universal health care – in the words of speaker Pelosi – “Don’t ask questions – just pass it, then you’ll understand it!” – That was stupid to say, and dangerous to follow! This blog is an example of getting involved – but on a neutral site – not at a tasting party or a presentation.

I could careless if you join Max…….Do whatever you want…….Frankly you probably don’t have what it takes……Your probably are too weak

Well, maybe I don’t have what it takes with Monavie, but I certainly do with other, more rewarding opportunities. Hey – don’t get me wrong – I am all for MLM opportunities coupled with good business practices.

Star 1000 5 months into the Buisness

I’m not bashing MV – but I am questioning how many of their distributors present the business opportunity backed by their IDS. I think this can be very misleading to the unknowing (naive).

Yes – we all know about the “potential” of earning big $$$ in MLM business opps. Many companies today are making many people millionaires in record time. Each company I’ve come to learn has a compensation plan based on their distributor’s efforts and that distributors down line efforts. If those folks have what it takes to succeed, then they succeed they shall. It doesn’t matter if it’s Numis, MonaVie, NuSkin, AMWAY, Max International, ACN, Agel, Send Out Cards, Pre-Paid Legal, PrimeAmerica, ForeverGreen, ForeverLiving, Shaklee, Herbalife, FHTM, Dubli, Melaluca, USANA, World Ventures, etc, etc.

Again, I would like to know what rank you are Rick, and what your income is with MV?

Rick wrote: “Monavie is simply a very quick convienant way to get your daily fruit intake. Also it’s not just some ordinary fruit it’s exotic fruits that would be very hard to ingest otherwise”

**Rick has made the claim that annoys me the most about MonaVie distributors.

You DO NOT get your daily intake of fruits by drinking 4 ounces of MonaVie.

According to the USDA, it takes 6 oz. of a fruit juice to give you ONE serving of fruits.

To claim otherwise, the ingredients and amounts must be verified by the FDA (V-8 has done this. MonaVie, obviously, doesn’t want the actual amount of their ingredients disclosed, to avoid embarrassment.

Rick, like many distributors, is confused by MonaVie’s claim that a daily serving is equal to 5-13 ANTIOXIDANT servings.

This IS NOT the same as daily, full phytonutrient servings suggested by the USDA.

In addition, the 5-13 antioxidant servings claimed by MonaVie is valid only if the comparison is made to 5-13 antioxidant-anemic fruits, such as watermelon. If the comparison is made to ONE red delicious variety apple, than the claim is void. A single apple has 2.4 times the antioxidant capacity than a days serving (4 oz.) of MonaVie.

I’m using the recommendations on the MonaVie label: 1 to 2 oz. twice a day. That equals an ORAC of 2,698 umoles per 4 oz.

ONE 150 gm. apple has an ORAC of 6,413 umoles

MonaVie has a polyphenol level of 175 mg/4 oz. The apple has a polyphenol level of 520 mg/apple.

The test that I’m basing it off of was the AIBMR study (Dr. Schauss) sponsored by MonaVie.

Judging by your comments (OMG, str8, dude), you may be a 15 year old. Since I’ve been a food technologist for 32 years, that’s probably longer than you’ve been alive.

You’ve got a lot of catching up to do, “dude.”

You can type any way you wish. However, if you are trying to make an argument, it helps to at least attempt to sound intelligent.

Keep the rhetoric down to a minimum. If you have facts to back your claims, please present them. If they are unverifiable anecdotes, be prepared to defend them.

Don’t use phrases like “gay apple thing.” It really makes you sound immature.

We’ve presented our case. You’ve presented nothing except “Monavie works.”

I’m not going to comment on the business part of MonaVie. There are several participants that are more qualified than I am about MLMs.

The product itself, I do feel qualified to comment on.

From what I’ve read, the product selling points are:

1) High ORAC value. In the Active product, the ORAC is documented at 22.81 umoles/ml. Yes, that is higher than many juices. However, as I’ve pointed out, many juices have higher ORAC values for a small fraction of the cost of MonaVie Active.

And if you are interested in ORAC scores, the USDA Table of Selected Foods – 2007, has many fruits and vegetables that easily surpass MonaVie for this attribute.

2) Equal to 5-13 servings of fruits/vegetables.
This is misinformation. People are getting confused with USDA recommended servings and antioxidant capacity equivalent servings. Two different animals.

The 5 servings that the USDA recommends for fruits and vegetables are for all phytonutrients, fiber, etc.. MonaVie does not qualify in this regard.

The 5-13 servings associated with MonaVie refers to the ORAC only. This selling point is only valid if the reader picks and chooses low level ORAC produce to use in the comparison. It’s very simple to scan the ORAC table and find many items that will easily beat MonaVie’s ORAC value.

3) MonaVie helps or cures several afflictions.
This may be the single reason people pay so much for this product. I won’t dispute that there are individuals who truly believe that this juice has some properties that cure or treat various ailments.

The truth is…it doesn’t. Any positive healing effects can be attributed to the Price Placebo Effect. If the product was able to do any of the things that are claimed, we’d see double-blind studies being lined up for proof. We do not. The company is well aware that the claims are based on hope, not on science.

The claims are all undocumented, unverifiable, anecdotes.

If MonaVie was a product sold for $4.00 a bottle on the grocery shelf, this site wouldn’t exist. I imagine that there are many products out there making unproven claims. Until the FTC and FDA are given more bite, all we are left with is common sense.

Hi Food Tech,

I’m curious what your feelings are on this pretty incredible product – Max Infuse…

http://maxinfuse.com/data/N-Fuze%20Ingredients.pdf

I can provide peer reviewed and double-blind study articles if you’re interested…

I look forward to your response!

Rick said: “Fact is Monavie is not ashamed of their Income Disclosure. Who knows their reasoning for not wanting to put it on Wikipedia………..Maybe it’s the fact that people get discouraged when they look at the big number of 46,000 distributors making only $23 dollars.”

Is your head made of granite? The purpose of this thread is to discuss the fact that the company tried to delete their IDS from the Wikipedia article. If you openly admit that you don’t know and that don’t have a clue, then please stop posting and stop proclaiming that it’s a “fact” that Monavie is not ashamed of the IDS. You are just boosting the noise level, which now seems to be your primary objective.

Obviously, people get repelled when they look at the IDS — it’s dismal — and that’s obviously why the company didn’t want readers of Wikipedia to see it. That’s why you are now here trying desperately to discount it and are offering your own slanted personal interpretation as to why the IDS is really not valid.

Rick said: “Monavie is simply a very quick convenient way to get your daily fruit intake. Also it’s not just some ordinary fruit it’s exotic fruits that would be very hard to ingest otherwise.”

Rick, we’re all well acquainted with the concept fruit juice. You’re ignoring the FACT that your particular juice uses cheap low-grade acai combined with a lot of grape juice; has a low ORAC score; is deficient in vitamins, minerals, and fiber; contains no organic ingredients; is laced with a controversial and potentially harmful preservative; and sells for 10-25 times more than better juices and fresh fruit.

Rick, if you had one iota of integrity and pride in what you’re doing here, you would obey your company’s own rules and post your name and distributor ID#. I understand that it would be impractical for you to do so while continuing to tell lies about Monavie, because then you and the company might actually have to face repercussions. However, since you choose instead to violate these rules and keep telling the same worn out discredited lies, you only bring more shame upon yourself and Monavie.

Will you stop with the Jonestown BS?

Are you serious with that crap?

That’s your problem your being ignorant as hell. You have no experience of the company and the juice and all you offer is speculation and google searches lol…..

Who the hell is losing their mortgage? Are you a moron? Are you this annoyed by successful people? Are you not a success?

Vogel,

I’m telling you moron they ain’t ashamed of it. The damn company is blowing away other Mlm’s and they are hitting Inc. 500 lists…..

Oh wait here comes Scam with his Inc. 500 post lol to try to disprove the credibility….Ish is legit so please stop #1 in Food and Beverage….

The Company is a success their distributors are a success and more and more people are earning a nice income…….Again they ARE NOT ASHAMED BY THE IDS…….WHO CARES IF THEY TOOK IT OF WIKI WOWOWOWWWW WHAT A BIG DEAL!!!!! THEY SHOW IT AT EVERY MEETING AND TASTING PARTY I’VE EVER been to…..They Talk about Showing the IDS because they want people to see the real stats of what Distributors are making……..THEY ARE NOT ASHAMED DORKS…..

You know what is a Scam? This damn site led by 3 dudes who are afraid of Success……..Thing People who make money are always out for their own interests and for Greed………Relax Guys Damn…..

Get off the Hatetrain fellas and go use your time more wisely…….

I’m sorry, the Jonestown parallel is quite obvious. You have high level of people asking distributors saying that “facts are the enemy” and belief is the friend. Sorry, but that’s just straight cultism when you are talking about a fruit juice. You don’t see Ocean Spray saying such things, do you?

This person is losing her mortgage. Actually, I wrote how to be successful. Click on the first post. Looking at MonaVie’s Income Disclosure Statement (and MonaVie’s reaction by trying to censor it) it’s clear that the successful people are the very few sitting at the top of the pyramid.

Actually fewer people are earning a nice income from MonaVie. Feel free to compare past Income Disclosure Statements.

It is a HUGE DEAL that they went in and edited from Wikipedia. Why are they going out of their stop to people from seeing it? Typing a bunch of “W” and “O” in capital letters with a bunch exclamation points doesn’t make insignificant. If MonaVie isn’t embarrassed, why not give us the reason they went in and tried to prevent people from seeing it.

Rick, you might want to use your time more wisely than trying to scam people into paying $45 for $4 juice.

The Jonestwon reference is obviously apropos. The only difference so far is that with Monavie the “faithful” haven’t been killed yet (just financially). The Kool-Aid (Monavie), South American compound (MORE Project), narcissistic leader (Dallin Larsen), and delusional groupthink…well that’s all there.

I’m a college student, worried about things that most college kids think about (financial aid, the future, what I’m doing, what I want to do, etc.). I’m dedicated to excelling in school, achieving a PhD degree, and graduating from medical school to become some sort of physician. But a simple run in with a friend (who was promoting Monavie with much enthusiasm) significantly changed my life. After my friend talked with my boyfriend, he invested all of his time and money to the company. He turned friendships (and our relationship) into business deals. I honestly couldn’t stand how much it changed him from the person I love to someone who can’t stop doing ‘business’ (and can’t stop talking about MV). He keeps saying how he’s “loving life now” because MV opened his mind to endless possibilities. I think it’s brainwash. Them teach me about motivation? I’m self motivated! Them tell me to be happy and enjoy my life? I love my life, and I am always a happy person. Them tell me I can become whatever I want and succeed? Sorry MV, I’ve got that covered!

However, I am greatly disappointed to say that after my boyfriend begged me to go to a meeting with him, he signed me up. Now, I am a part of MV. I’m just a girl trying my best to make sound decisions and get ahead in life. My curiosity and ‘gut-feeling’ led me to this website. I read this entire argument, and I can honestly say that I’m afraid of how being a part of MV will affect me. Thank you for opening my eyes to something I knew (from instinct) was a not-so-good idea. With crossed fingers, I hope things work out.

TMBG, get out now! Don’t jeopardize your integrity or your future career over an affiliation with this enterprise. Decisions like this are important, and making a bad one can come back to haunt you. I am at a loss as to why you don’t dump this turd of a boyfriend now if he signed you up behind your back. You’re going to be a doctor one of these days hopefully; you don’t need some go-nowhere, lying-dick, Monavie-hawking cult-member of a boyfriend dragging you down. Call Monavie and tell them that your BF forged your signature and inappropriately used your SSN when he signed you up as a distributor, without your knowledge, and tell them to expunge your name from the system or you will notify the authorities that Monavie is acting as an accomplice to fraud.

TMBG, I applaud your decision. After only hearing about this company a short time ago, it’s amazing how quickly you can come across valid information thanks to the work of many who post here.

If more people could be like you and take an objective look at the company, the product, and all of its promises we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation because the company would be out of business.

However, many people seem to lose common sense when they’re approached to get involved with Monavie. They get wrapped up in all of the promises that their health and financial problems can be solved with this “miracle” product. In an economy like this it’s very easy to be lured in by promises of wealth and financial independence when many have either already lost their jobs, or live in the constant fear that they might.

I’m glad to see that there are those of us who can still do a little research and try to uncover the truth behind all of the promises made by Monavie and their distributors.

Funny thing is, my girlfriend said that she would have left me if I was dumb enough to get involved with this pyramid scheme. I told her I wouldn’t blame her one bit. It’s good that you decided to leave your boyfriend. If he doesn’t see what this company really is, and tried to muscle you into signing up as well, you’ll be better off in the long run without him.

Best of luck with the PhD.

Cooper,

I have said before that I am a healthy skeptic. I believe that I looked at the company in an objective manner when I first started doing my research. While it is true when it was first presented to me I believed it was a pyramid scheme, I owed it to my long time friend to sit through his presentation. I also believed that I owed it to him, even though I declined to join, to do some investigating to make sure he wasn’t going to get taken for everything he’s worth.

I have never been one to buy into hype. I don’t have to have the latest gadget, drive the best cars, or live in the biggest house. The pursuit of wealth has never been a motivating factor with me. So when this was presented to me, I was focusing almost solely on the juice and I was wondering what really made it worth the high cost.

Back to the point of trying to be objective, the only thing I knew of Monavie was what was said to me in the presentation. I had not even heard of the product before that day. The only goals of my investigation were to learn three things: 1) I wanted to know more about the product and the alleged healing powers of acai. 2) I wanted to know why the product seemed to be so expensive. 3) I wanted to make sure that the company that my friend was getting involved in was legitimate.

I disagree with the point you make that I needed to attend meetings, try the juice (which I did, and personally I did not like the taste,) and especially experience the company hands on. That was the whole point of digging deeper, to find out more than what was on the flashy power point presentation.

I have made business investments in the past, and I learned the hard way that one must thoroughly investigate every business investment, and take nothing at face value. Most of the time, my research has paid off with taking part in lucrative investments, and staying away with those that after a little digging raised too many red flags.

If I was being subjective about my investigation, this site probably would have been the first one I had come to. As it stands, I visited the Monavie company site first, attempted to learn the corporate structure, the products, its leadership, and most important for me the product. I wanted to know what was so exciting and important about this juice that made it worth the high price tag. I found this site after attempting to find more information on Dr. Schauss to make sure the numbers shown to me on the marketing materials were not overinflated.

Once I found this site and the information contained in the articles, comments, and the supporting evidence therein was when my skepticism turned to horror. I read the contents of this site for many hours, looking at the content and relevant links posted by pro and anti MV members. As I began to read further I began to see a pattern that most of the anti-MV members were posting information that had come from “hard” sources, and MOST (note not all) arguments against it were posted with a level headed nature. Concurrently, I also noticed the most of the pro-MV members were posting links to “testimonials” and making unsubstantiated claims without supporting evidence, and many posters regarded any evidence to the contrary with an almost seething contempt and rabid fanaticism.

I don’t make many decisions, especially in business, on emotion. I have found through personal experience that more often than not gets one in trouble down the road. Now that I look back on the sales presentation that was given to me, I believe that it is solely designed to grab people on an emotional decision rather than a rational one. It makes people dream of ideas of unlimited wealth, and it makes you the promise that if you try hard enough you can do it. However, with odds at something near 3,000:1 against getting to the top two tiers, I have to say that calling this a long shot would be more than generous.

So, in closing, I would like to comment on the very last line of your post: “I know I’m right and you know it is too your conscious is telling you this right now.”

To the contrary, my mind was saying that there was something more to this story and that I needed to do some deeper digging. Turns out, I was right. There was just a lot more to the story than I ever expected there would be.

Les, I guess you didn’t see this article: MonaVie Distributor: Your Job is a Pyramid Too!

Is the person you speak of a top leader like Mitch Biggs who has been shown to blatantly break the law?

I love Mona Vie!
I really don’t see why people have to hate on it. I am 18 years old and I don’t have to trade my time for money anymore!
So if Mona Vie doesn’t work, How come im gunna be retiring at the age of 19 or 20!?!?
I was a cheerleader in high school *2010 grad*, & I ended up getting horrible shin splints, I also played golf and twirled baton. Talk about a busy schedule right? Ohh to top it off I had a part time job working for hallmark.
I also have a horrible immune system, Im constantly getting sick, Im always changing my diet and I still get sick. But I started drinking (M)mun and my doctor is extremely impressed,the (M)mun cleaned out my system. Every time I work out and I drink my active after, Im not sore, & I do the p90x workout dvd so I would expect to be sore.
The emv’s are basically the best energy drink in the world. Ill admit I did use to drink those energy drinks, but I got…well I would get a stomach ache and I usually threw it up.Also my personality would change *I would yell @ people* I was showing my dentist Who is gorgeous I may add, said that people would have 10x’s better teeth and its completely healthy! He gave it a 10!

I said my dentist is attractive because he is younger.
He’s about 28-34 years old.
Hes super sweet too.

About the dentist thing, he asked to see what I was drinking and he looked at the ingredients and said it was all good.
I still do cheerleading.
I still eat fast food so im still unhealthy but I drink the yellow and im perfectly fine.
Im not making claims on the products, but I know my body. I’ve seen what its done for me.

Aussie – how dare you ask someone who drinks MV to live by policies of the company that you critique. Don’t you think that this would give such a prick as yourself too much power and uneven playing field. Are you really so stupid? What a hipocracy.

IDS says that most of the people are treating this as part-time. Show me any company in the world (with revenue about $1 billion a year) that has that many distributors making more than $160K a year. If you use company’s materials stick to what they say.

Averge Emerald makes $160K a year and works 13 hours a week (there are 66 of them on IDS)

Average Diamond makes $202K a year and works 16 hours a week (there are 32 of them on IDS)

Average Blue Diamond Executive makes $389K a year and works on average 20 hours a week (there are 76 of them on the IDS report)

Where did you obtain your crap arithmetic skills?

According to IDS even STAR 1000 who makes on average almost $9000 a year has his or her family of 4 drinking for free (assuming 4 cases a month).

It is not so diificult to be one of 377 distributors – you could easily be there based on your perserverance and daily discipline you show here on this website every day.

How much money do you make a year? And what do you do? I will show you based on IDS what you need to do to double or triple your income

But with the lottery, Don’t you spend more than you win!?
I turned 18 almost 6 months ago. I did buy alot of scratch cards, I was surprized the 1st time I did one I won $40. But for single state lottery’s, there is a 18million in 1 chance of winning! With multiple state lotteries, ur chance of winning is 120 million to 1.

Only 75 Quarterbacks!? That’s it!?
So are you making 6 figures?

And Tom, Thank you! =D
Does that guy realize he’s talking to an 18year old girl that’s out of the 45year plan!? I never have to waste my time for money.

Yeah you spend more than you earn with MonaVie too. How do you think that MonaVie makes it money? Styles makes a great point.

I was estimating the number of professional QBs (32 teams, each carry 2-3 QBs).

Yes, I make 6 figures… However, I live in Silicon Valley where that is not very unusual to keep up the high costs of living. I’m not about wasting time for money either. It’s one of the key tenants of my major website: http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/.

Tom states “minutes 347-355 – Ruby and Emerald executives (over $100K per year in earnings) on the stage of MV convention that just finished – countless people from around the world are your testimony to how stupid your lies are and I guess how embarrased you should be by your own income discosure statements.”

Wow. More unverified statements.

I prefer to elicit data from the IDS which confirms that a group of only 377 (who equate to 0.053% of the sales force) received nearly 40% of the commissions and that 99.64% of the sales force are losing money.
http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-is-embarrassed-by-their-income-disclosure-statement-2/

Furthermore, I prefer Kelly Bangert’s description of his own lack of success and that of his downline – who he confirms have been losing homes, cars and unable to pay bills after having left their regular jobs to pursue Monavie full time.
http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/files/DOCUMENTS/Xowii_v._Monavie.pdf

Tom,

You can go away since you aren’t bringing anything to the table. We learned how MonaVie Emerald executives scam people… see: Mitch Biggs Claims MonaVie Prevents Swine Flu. This is a most successful person breaking the law… and getting away with it: Mitch Biggs Scams People and MonaVie Condones It.

Also please refer to the Anonymous Aussie link where Black Diamond (more than $100K) Kelly Bangert’s description of how the Income Disclosure Statement is a farce and how people higher than Ruby and Emeralds are getting their houses foreclosed and their cars taken away.

Somehow Kelly Bangert was present at this conference – this is all smokescreen – he probably realized that Xowii does not have a chance. MonaVie is committed to science no matter what you say. [Editor's Note: Tom didn't read the case it seems. Henry Marsh allegedly threatened Kelly Bangert and he came crawling back at a very reduced rate and without benefits that MonaVie previously promised him.]

Kelly said his income has fallen and was not what his rank would have suggested – but this does mean that IDS is farce – this is typical MonaVie Scam at action – making idiots out of people. [Editor's Note: Kelly had written "At our hotel I was calling up all the Blue Diamonds, Hawaiian Blue Diamonds, and Black Diamonds and no one was making anywhere close to the income disclosure statement." I think my use of "farce" was more than fair. The group he mentioned consists of 127 of the top 134 highest paid people in the Income Disclosure Statement. Let me reiterate the "no one was making anywhere close" part. Farce may have been too light a word... systemic fraud may be more accurate. As far as making idiots out of people, I don't see how bringing a Black Diamond's words into this discussion is making an idiot out of anyone -- well except Tom.]

Have you seen ‘Food Matters” yet – there is one quote that fits you very well – you can fool some of the people some of the time – you can even fool some of the people all the time – but you cannot fool all the people all the time. [Editor's Note: I guess Tom doesn't read my responses as I have mentioned that I did. I even wrote an article about it: http://www.juicescam.com/food-matters-and-monavie/. The quote about fooling people predates Food Matters by quite a bit... it was from Abraham Lincoln. I don't see how you think I'm trying to fool anyone. I just asking them to eat fresh fruit. You are asking them to buy your $45 a bottle processed juice with almost zero fiber or vitamins and minerals. Perhaps Dr. Evil will add "convincing people to eat fresh fruit" on his to-do list.]

There are about 50 companies now offering some kind of acai and operating in a MLM structure. You – juice-scam guys will have to broaden up your scope – otwerwise it will be easy to label you not just anti-MonaVie but pro-any other MLM company offering inferior acai. [Editor's Note: I don't have time to broaden my scope. I have so much information on MonaVie, I can barely cover that. I would love to into Exfuse and ASEA. Xowii seemed like a sham too. It's clear to see that I'm not pro-any other MLM company. Your logic that the MLM-juice wars is a zero-sum game is humorous. It's not like being against one makes me for all the others. Typical misinformation by Tom.]

For testimonies – people can now go to MonaVieChangedMyLife.com to post and read their stories. [Editor's note: That's going to be a fun site consisting MonaVie's guidelines to fall in line with the FTC - http://monaviemediacenter.com/blogs/5-tips-every-monavie-distributor-needs-to-know-about-the-new-ftc-guidelines/. You can already see some Black Diamonds give their testimonies which are clearly not typical results. The FTC will have fun with that.]

I do not give a damn about your assessment of my science skills. Food Tech – I am just tired of your BS, this is why you think I am frustrated – but I am not – you think you are on the offensive but – for the last two months I have been playing with you – because you invited me to this discussion with your moron tactics, insulting my education – now you see how your guests feel every time they dare to have a differing opinion. [Editor's note: He is frustrated because he has explained it to you, but your lack of science skills does not allow you understand it. You aren't offering a differing opinion. Science is not based on opinion, which is probably your follow as someone who is a marketer.]

You have not had anybody giving you a tough fight in the past because nobody had the patience to speak to organized group of know-it-all nerds who easily could out-manouver anybody using group-think tactics, and other persuasion techniques. I decided to talk to you because you insulted me and your quest is without a merit – people can spend whatever they want for whatever they need – at least MV gives an option for people to make money to lower their actual cost of MV products for their own consumption. [Editor's note: We've only insulted your arguments because they lack logic. Overcharging someone by 1500 or 2000% and then giving them a chance to earn a small fraction of that back is silly business case for an MBA to make. It's like suggesting that robbing a bank is justified is the crook gives 1% of the money back to charity. Lastly, you fail to realize that I've only decided to respond to you because it A) Makes you look silly and B) Makes this site more active and thus its articles become more visible in search engines. So we're reaching more people. Thanks!]

I’m not sure Food Tech – Tom’s done a great deal of cutting and pasting which by far exceeds your efforts.

Of course you don’t think he’s challenged you Foodtech because your are lost and vastly overatted in your opinions which you try to pass of as fact and the end all answer

IDS is freely available through http://www.monavie.com web site – it does not have to be shown anywhere else – IDS is a marketing tool – and MV is proud of it – show me any other company that you have so many distributors making more than 200K a year working part-time –

You are not going to understand IDS as you describe yourself as a “scientist”.

Just because it doesn’t *have* to be shown anywhere else doesn’t mean that it can’t be. The IDS wasn’t on Wikipedia… it was just a link to the IDS. If the IDS is a marketing tool that MonaVie is proud of, it doesn’t make sense that MonaVie would be deleting the link on Wikipedia to it. If they proud of it, they’d bold it, underline it, or otherwise try to call attention to it.

Here is what is very telling on the IDS. They used to publish an end of year IDS, but for some reason they did not for end of year 2009. Why would they decide to do that? All the money flows to the top and you can buy it on eBay for less than the typical distributor pays and they do not care. It is heavily flavored and preserved with Sodium Benzoate which is banned in many countries.

I’ve been reading quite a few of your posts. Although you appear to be semi-educated on a lot of topics, you appear to be a little uneducated on others. I don’t have to point out the obvious for you, I’m sure you’ll clue in.

I’m going to guess that you’ve been scorned somewhere in your past in relation to Mona Vie. Your “About Me/Us” section doesn’t do anything to validate your expertise on any level. Surprising? Not at all.

Mona Vie Active is the only thing I’ve found since my teenage years that has cured my Migraines. I have medically prescribed medicines to not only regulate but fight Migraines when they do occur. I’ve average one a week since my teens. The Doctors have only given me medications that haven’t fixed the problem, only space me out when I do have a problem. Since starting the juice three months ago, not one Migraine and I’ve not taken one pill. That’s proof enough for me.

It would be nice to see you take the energy you waste here and put it towards something a bit more positive. I’m sure you have something better to do with your day(s), instead of stirring the pot on topics you tend to taint here on your site.

Good luck to you, either way.

Kevin, I would offer another theory on your migraines. Migraines are often triggered by certain ingredients found in various diets.

I could speculate that since you started drinking MonaVie, you can no longer afford to eat out. Therefore, whatever you were eating that triggered your migraines, has now been eliminated.

This makes a lot more sense than a fruit punch making any difference, whatsoever, in your physical well-being.

Kevin,

What do you mean no education behind them? I presented very logical responses to your straw man arguments. You did not present any educated arguments.

What wasn’t 100% truthful about? What are the incorrect facts? Why don’t you just cite them than pretend they are there when they are not. This is similar to the “I don’t have to point out the obvious for you” argument you used before, where you just assume that there is bad logic, yet you can’t seem to back that assumption up.

Perhaps not having the stress of having to prepare dinner helped your migraines. The point here is that any number of things could have happened… including the fact you are lying. We have no way of determining the accuracy and truthfulness of your post.

It’s easy to have opinions, but most of the important information on this website is fact, not opinion. We take a fact, such as “MonaVie removing the link of its income disclosure statement from Wikipedia” and come up with an educated explanation about why they would want to prevent people from seeing it. I haven’t seen anyone come up with an alternative plausible explanation… and I’ve asked numerous times.

Kevin writes: “Thank you though for pointing out that even Idiots (your example) can have opinions.”

**And which one of us believes a fruit punch has some sort of magical curative powers? Maybe, it’s better to be an idiot than a fool.

Kevin said: “The fastest growing company in Networking Marketing, closing in on 3 billion in sales in five years of business, 18 on the INC 500 and you think the company is going to fail?”

But when I look at Forbe’s list of the top 250 privately-owned companies in the U.S., I don’t see Monavie’s name anywhere.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/21/private-companies-09_Americas-Largest-Private-Companies_Rank.html

And according to Direct Selling News, Monavie is only the 17th largest among MLMs.
http://www.directsellingnews.com/index.php/site/entries_archive_display/global_100_the_top_direct_selling_companies_in_the_world

This makes your inclusion on the Inc list rather meaningless, particularly since Monavie was allowed to submit their earnings claims without external verification. It’s not prudent to pin the legitimacy of your company on such a thin premise as unverified growth claims, particularly when Monavie doesn’t rank among the 250 privately-owned companies or even among the top 15 MLMs. You lose on both counts.

And yes, I am fully convinced that Monavie will ultimately fail. In fact, I believe that it is failing already and will implode soon. Couldn’t happen to a more-deserving bunch of people than the Monavie cartel.

Kevin said: “I live in the corporate world, as I’m a Sales Director for a billion dollar manufacturer. I understand what keeps a company afloat and what causes a company to sink. Mona Vie is a very healthy company.”

Based on the lack of insight you’ve demonstrated here, I would have bet that you live out of the backseat of an old beat-up car rather than in the ‘corporate world’ as you claimed. If you understood anything thing about being a sales director for a billion dollar company (a laughably dubious claim in your case), it’s that you need reliable sales and revenue data before you can make a judgment about fiscal health. With Monavie, you don’t have access to such data so you’re flying on blind faith alone; hardly the modus operandi of a savvy sales director. Quite consistent with the kindergarten-level business acumen of a Monavie distributor though.

Kevin said: “They are now set to turn the diet industry on it’s arse, with the release of their new weight management drinks in October.”

Dallin Larsen already tried the ‘diet industry’ in 2003 when he started Monarch Health Sciences with his brother Randy (right after Dallin ran Royal Tongan Limu and Dynamic Essentials into the ground — shut down by FDA, fined by FTC/DOJ, millions of dollars lost). Dallin’s failure in that endeavor was so spectacular that, by his own admission, he was worried that he wouldn’t be able to feed his family; that was after he burned through $2 million of investor funds. In Dallin’s own words:

“In 2003, I teamed up with my brother Randy and Henry Marsh, a four-time Olympian, to start a weight-loss company called Monarch Health Sciences. We raised nearly $2 million from angel investors, but we rapidly went through the money. I like to joke that since I’m short and fat, it didn’t work. Our program required big lifestyle changes, which people generally don’t make. We were close to going out of business. My wife and I had eight kids to raise. I took out a second mortgage, because we weren’t taking any money out of the company.”
http://www.inc.com/magazine/20090901/how-i-did-it-dallin-a-larsen-of-monavie.html

Kevin said: “I’m sorry you all missed the boat on something so wonderful.”

That’s because you’re an idiot with nothing but a hammer in your arsenal, so naturally everything looks like a nail. Someone has to take on the responsibility of being a doctor, judge, scientist, inventor, engineer, etc., so the last thing you should do is lament that not everyone on this planet is a Monavie distributor (what a colossal douchebag of a thing to say!).

“As for the cure, that you mention. Did I ever say it cured anything? I stated that I’ve not had a Migraine in 13 weeks of consuming the juice.”

Are you so F-ing stupid that you are going to try to use that as your defense? You aren’t even allowed to remotely suggest that Monavie had anything to do with your migraines going away. You should know that. The FDA and FTC rules have (or should have been) made clear to you in your distributor training. So who deserves the blame for your lack of compliance with said regulations? Did Monavie fail to train you or did you just ignore the warnings? If you feel smug enough to test the FDA and FTC, why don’t you write-up a letter to your customers with your migraine claims, distributor ID#, and an explanation of why you feel the law doesn’t apply to you. We’ll forward your letter to the FDA and FTC and you will soon see how well it pans out.

Kevin said: “To Mona Vie Scam – a Distributor can talk about anything personal that they feel the juice has done for them. There is nothing legally wrong with that. So if one person feels it helped them with arthritis, great. Another, high blood pressure, again great. Fribomyalgia, Lupus, Migraines, Cholesterol, the list goes on and on. Get over it – it’s here to stay.”

No they CANNOT do this! In fact they are expressly forbidden from doing so. Who bears the blame for your astonishing ignorance and blatant defiance of U.S. law? Are you prepared to put your name and whatever crumb of a reputation you may have on the line to defend this claim?

Kevin said: “By the way, you might do a little more investigating and find out what’s really going on. Ask about the FDA and Mona Vie Pulse. You’ll be shocked at what you find.”

The only thing shocking is that F-tards like you are taking an old generic structure-function claim about plant sterols and pretending that it means that Pulse has “FDA approval”. It doesn’t, and there is nothing remarkable about Pulse other than its insane price and astonishing lack of nutritional value. Monavie’s Pulse FAQs even confirm this:

“MonaVie products (including Pulse) are not intended to replace or mimic the activity, effects, or benefits of drugs or medications. Do not substitute or replace your medication(s) with MonaVie Pulse. The plant sterol activity, effects, and benefits in MonaVie Pulse as it relates to heart health and cholesterol are significantly less than that found in drugs…MonaVie Pulse does not cure heart disease. MonaVie Pulse does not cure, treat, mitigate, or prevent serious cholesterol problems. MonaVie Pulse is intended for healthy people, not for people with heart or cholesterol diseases.”
http://www.the-team.biz/files/Approved%20Claims%20Pulse.pdf
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Consumer-Trends/Coca-Cola-launches-heart-healthy-juice

Kevin said: “I make 200k a year in the corporate world, so it’s not like I need the income from Mona Vie to survive.”

You laughable F-ing lying clown! Send your 2009 IRS docs to Lazyman to verify your BS claim and I’ll eat my computer. And even though I couldn’t think much less of you than I do already, you would merit even more contempt if it turned out that you didn’t really need the money from Monavie and were victimizing people and breaking the law merely to add to a $200,000 annual salary. Sounds like you took that hackneyed MLM mantra “fake it until you make it” a bit too seriously.

Food Tech – your momma didn’t call you Son cause you were bright, did she?

Drinking the juice has caused my Migraines to go away. Doctor prescribed medication has not.

I broke the law? You’re sadly mistaken…

Come back at me when you’re moronic opinion has some validity to it.

My advice to you, son, is to do a little research before commenting. Your migraines went away because you are no longer using your brain.

If you believe that it is legal for a MonaVie distributor to claim a simple fruit juice helped treat migraines, then I recommend you read what distributors are allowed to say on MonaVie’s Black Diamond University website.

If you still have trouble comprehending the law, I will be glad to direct you to the FDA’s interpretation.

Sales director, indeed.

The typical ending comments of a MonaVie distributor. Kevin seems more uninformed than most of the distributors that have stuck their heads out of the hole. He ends up talking about McDonalds. Sad, indeed.

He claims to make $200,000 in the corporate world, yet he needs to supplement his income with a pyramid scheme, selling fruit punch to gullible suckers.

I believe his momma spanked him everytime he told the truth.

If you have any facts to discuss, please present them. Please, no unverifiable, anecdotes about your migraines. Show me one study that backs any of your nonsense.

Hey there, Super Size. You wanted studies. I’m sorry, I forgot to post one of several that I know about done by major Universities in the US.

Leukemia. Heard of it? Acai Berry. Heard of it? You might want to look into this: http://mlmblog.typepad.com/monavie/2006/02/brazilian_berry.html

If you need more, let me know. By the way, I have that University of Florida Leukemia study in a hard copy version if you’d like me to email it to you.

Texas A&M. You might want to check into their latest study on the Acai Berry compound and what they claim it’s doing to help repair DNA.

If you’re unable to find that, let me know. I’ll make sure you get a copy.

You realize that my Migraines going away are minuscule in comparison to the studies above? You can only be cup is half empty for so long, before cup is half full proves you wrong.

Fruit juice… well, of course it is!

Kevin writes: “Leukemia. Heard of it? Acai Berry. Heard of it? You might want to look into this: http://mlmblog.typepad.com/monavie/2006/02/brazilian_berry.html”

**You are a newbie, aren’t you? We’ve gone over this countless times.

Let’s just get rid of the acai nonsense right off the top. For people like Kevin that are too lazy to do research on their own, here’s what we know about MonaVie and acai:

Dr. Schauss points out often that the ORAC value of the processed, freeze-dried acai powder is 1,027 umoles/gm.

Dr. Schauss reports that the ORAC value of MonaVie Active is 22.81 umoles/ml.

This is a decrease of 1,004.19 umoles (Kevin, have your son do the math for you)

The ORAC value is the standard that Dr. Schauss and others use to measure the potency of the acai.

So, from this little exercise, we easily determine that very little acai ever made it into the final product.

Want to compare MonaVie against other, common store shelf juices? Read this study by the Center for Human Nutrition, David Geffen School of Medicine, UCLA (Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, 2008, 56, 1415-1422)

Here are some listed ORAC values:
Pomegranate Juice: 25.7
Red wine: 25.7
Black cherry juice: 25.3
Blueberry juice: 23.9

As you can see, they all beat MonaVie in antioxidant bioavailability.

So, tell me how much acai is in MonaVie, again?

Kevin, as a salesman, I know your first objective is to make sales. And your primary tool, when you have an inferior product, is deceit. But you aren’t going to be able to get away with it here. We aren’t your brain-dead zombies that you are used to dealing with.

So, before you make yourself look anymore less intelligent than you have already, I suggest you slither away as fast as you can.

By the way, Kevin lied when he mentioned MonaVie ranking in the Inc. 500. Well perhaps he was using the 2009 rankings. I couldn’t find MonaVie anywhere in the 2010 rankings that are in the current issue.

Oops!

I guess this is because interest is fading in MonaVie.

I stated “Disgraceful trying to divert attention from the fact that it was Monavie specifically that the mother consumed throughout the pregnancy and thus is directly implicated in the cause of the child’s heart condition!”

Actually I probably worded that a little incorrectly – they are trying to divert people’s attention from the possible contraindications of Monavie. I’m sure you know what I mean though…

Again, my apologies for being a little unclear in my statements – the adverse side effects Monavie editted didn’t relate to the woman ingesting Monavie while pregnant but specifically to patients on blood thinning agents. I was a little angry at the time.

It’s so wrong.