There is quite a difference between someone working at McDonalds, Burger King or Wendy’s who are all earning at least minimum wage, and 99.99% of all distributors in Monavie who are paying out several hundred dollars a month just to be involved.

Better get your facts straight before you jump in with both feet or your screwed.

You said “The reality is that the people who bought into the business and did not succeed either did not absorb the information enough, did not set aside as much time as might have been needed to generate potential business, did not know enough people, decided not to do business at all and consume the product for their own personal benefit, or decided that this path was not the correct path for them at all.”

This is a common belief among those involved in MLMs as it is preached by the leaders and in the motivatonal materials which distributors are encouraged to subscribe. But in fact, this is not the reason for the large percentage of distributors losing money. The fact is that the compensation plan guarantees that 97% of all distributors must lose. As MS referenced, please read http://www.juicescam.com/its-not-a-matter-of-effort-its-a-mathematical-certainty/. The article originally stated that 95% must lose but it was corrected in the comments.

I would encourage you to print this article and take this mathematical evaluation of the compensation plan to your upline for their comments. We have yet to have anyone from Mona vie find fault in the math, if it is incorrect, I for one welcome any corrections.

Once you understand that the compensation plan does in fact guarantee losses to 97%(this is in a perfect downline, the actual experienced losses are over 99%), you then need to understand that the Mona vie juice is not what is being sold. What is being sold is the “opportunity”. In fact, during the 2008 Believe convention in California Steve Merritt suggested to the crowd that during tastings to “not spend too much time on the juice… get to the opporunity”. Why? Because that’s what’s being sold and that’s what gets people excited and want to become a distributor.

Mona vie sells the dream of the opportunity, the dream to be rich, escape your job, and freedom to spend time doing what you love. But the opportunity is an illusion and it is never explained that 97% must lose no matter how hard they try, how much they believe in the product, or which system they are plugged into.

You also said “I will put in the work and hopefully reap the benefits in the future. If I do not, it will not be because of the way the company does business, but because of the reasons I mentioned previously.”

Please be aware that the only way you will be able to reap the benefits is via the losses of those who you will introduce into the scheme and those they introduce. In fact, the math shows that you will have to be responsible for 30 people losing into the scheme before you can even break even. But to be fair, everyone gets juice.

You also said “You want to know what a real scam is? McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy’s, Coca Cola, Pepsi, and thousands of other multi-billion dollar organizations “. The difference is that these organizations have employees and customers. In Mona vie the employee is the customer. All of the employees of the great companies you mentioned earn a profit to some degree. None of them make their employees pay to work for them. None of them require employees purchase a certain amount of their product in order to qualify for their weekly paycheck.

Jorge, I hope you will take my advice and take an objective look at the facts as they are presented. If you have any questions or if I can help clarify any of what I have stated, I will be glad to assist you. If I’m wrong, at least you did your due diligence. If I’m right you may still be able to change your mind before you harm those you care for.

The argument has been something like this “most people don’t work the business, they just buy the juice for it’s nutritional content including high anti-oxidant levels”. So, my family didn’t want to “work the biz” but I convinced them that the juice was a miracle juice because I was being shovelled this crap by my up-line. I came to find out that the juice is, as Vogel so eloquently puts it “piss water”. I think about all of the things my family could have done with that money, trips with their children, beefing up their college funds, etc.

I still find Facebook sites in my area that say that Monavie contains 13 servings of fruits and vegetables a day. This is completely false. We were/are all being fed lies and half truths in order to peddle these products.

And, I saw people working their ASSES off and quitting their regular jobs to peddle this scam and they never got beyond Gold or Ruby. They were very good sales people and very convinced that this company and juice were amazing. One has lost her business and is on the verge of losing her home. Oh, but I guess you are different.

Monavie is literally tanking in the U.S. and Canada so they had to find victims overseas. Do your independant research.

I can tell by reading your post that someone has really worked you over and you are well on your way to the land of “bilk and scummy” but please reserve any further cookie cutter arguments until after you have read the articles that Juice scam has suggested you read.

There is also a recent article in the Salt Lake Tribune which captures the essence of this “company” you will be “joining”.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobile/53061545-90/monavie-company-distributors-percent.html.csp

I think you missed the point of the post. It’s not just that the majority of the money goes to the people at the top, it is that 99.64% of the organization works only to LOSE MONEY. I read today that Google employs about 30,000 people. To make the comparison this would be like only 108 of them getting a salary for all the work they do. And if you start to factor in the majority of people who just make a couple hundred dollars a month for all their work – near minimum wage – it would be like 29,999 getting a pretty bad deal.

I have succeeded in showing that MonaVie’s compensation distribution is NOT like that of any other company.

Don’t even go down the path of MonaVie Distributor: Your Job is a Pyramid Too!
And don’t bring the Coca Cola analogies either: MonaVie, Secret Formulas, and Coca-Cola

We are all for health around here. That’s one of the reasons we are against MonaVie: Men’s Journal Proves MonaVie Lacks Nutrition

You can’t compare McDonalds to MonaVie because one is a restaurant and the other is a juice, (although now it has weight-loss meals too.) People don’t go to McDonalds for health, they do it for convenience, speed of service, taste, and cost. MonaVie has none of these things going for it (one may argue taste, but McDonalds sells more burgers than MonaVie does bottles, so the people have spoken there).

MonaVie makes so much money because it brainwashes its distributors with cult tactics and gets them to pay thousands a year for juice and other products in hopes of being in a business that will some day get them rich. And yes “BELIEVE” in this case is brainwashed. It is well-documented from actual cult psychologists.

As for the 600,000 who never accumulated any return on their investment, the reason is clear and it beautifully stated here: It’s Not a Matter of Effort, it’s a Mathematical Certainty.. Another great article explaining why this happens is at: The MLM Gas Station and $8/Gallon Gas.

Don’t confuse MonaVie with being new or popular. It has been around for a long time and you can interview 10,000 people and 9999 will never had heard of MonaVie. Not only that, but MonaVie is sinking ship and has been for a few years. Sometimes companies get lawsuits filed against them because they actually break the law.

The reality is that the people who bought into the business and did not succeed either did not absorb the information enough, did not set aside as much time as might have been needed to generate potential business, did not know enough people, decided not to do business at all and consume the product for their own personal benefit, or decided that this path was not the correct path for them at all. But to call this a scam? I think not.

You want to know what a real scam is? McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy’s, Coca Cola, Pepsi, and thousands of other multi-billion dollar organizations that take your money every day or every week selling you food and drinks that possess absolutely ZERO health value and are key contributors to the astronomical increase in obesity in this country. Yeah, but MonaVie is the bad apple because they are marketing a product that promotes a better and healthier lifestyle. Think about it: this company makes so much money without having to advertise all over the place. Do you know why? Because the people who REALLY try and SUCCEED in that business actually BELIEVE in the product they are advertising. They are not there purely for the financial gain. Going in just for the money will take just about anyone on a fast track to nowhere fast, which I can almost guarantee will be the reason why things went so sour for the 600,000+ people who never accumulated any return on investment.

Everything that is popular today started as an idea from an individual or small group. Eventually the idea grows and becomes popular, while still attracting a great deal of criticism because it is new. Over time, the business continues to grow, attracting more scrutiny because of its popularity. Now competing companies decide to file lawsuits because they feel like something is not right with the business because it is succeeding so rapidly. Why is it that success is so intimidating to others? Well, that is easy, it’s because they are not achieving the same degree of success and feel as though they are somehow more entitled to a piece of the pie.

I am not a member of MonaVie, but I plan on joining the ranks shortly, regardless of the end result. I will put in the work and hopefully reap the benefits in the future. If I do not, it will not be because of the way the company does business, but because of the reasons I mentioned previously.

Can you imagine someone asking you to invest in a company, then having them show you 2-year-old financial data?

Can you imagine someone asking you to invest in a company, then having them show you 2-year-old financial data?

IF distributors were selling 70% of there goods purchases to bona-fide customers outside the scheme, IF the company monitored the compliance regarding paying bonuses and commissions based on such sales and IF someone was auditing the company itself to ensure that they were monitoring their sales force and complying with the law themselves, then theoretically the 70% rule could work.

The only thing is that we’re well aware that these aren’t bona-fide retail customers – the reality is that they’re distributors who failed in their ability to qualify for commissions.

As we know, Monavie intentionally blur the distinction between the customer and distributor in the first instance by offering customers the opportunity to sign up as a distributor to receive wholesale prices (thus killing a distributor’s retail market in any event). They further blur the line by referring to distributors who didn’t qualify for commissions as their wholesale customers.

There’s no reason to blur the line between a customer and distributor or any need to make a customer agree to the same terms and conditions as a distributor to receive discounts – except in MLM scams such as Monavie where the legality of the scheme may well hang in the balance of this very point alone.

Monavie (and other MLM/pryamid scams just like them) do everything to conceal the extent of revenue from their own sales force as opposed to bona-fide customers because they are their biggest if not only source. There’s no doubt in my mind that this is known from the absolute onset considering the policies are put in place in the first instance – they’re in the business of pyramiding after all and distributorships is what they sell.

Every form of manipulation is done to also conceal the true losses when putting together the IDS – which are obviously going to be far greater than depicted in same.