What really galls though is their lack of humility. I mean, let’s face it, we’ve dealt with some really frighteningly uneducated Monavie distributors who could barely write coherent sentences and really knew nothing about the product, but it never stopped them from being strident and accusatory, particularly when the facts didn’t fall their way. Even those who started out halfway lucid and civilized eventually degenerated after being proven wrong a few times.

If these were honest people who wanted to engage in honest debate, they simply wouldn’t behave as they do, nor would they be so quick to resort to misinformation, redirection, strawman arguments, and ad hominem attacks.

An honest person who didn’t know much about the product would come here asking questions, not simply posting blurbs from Monavie brochures and then getting angry when we use facts, with which we are well acquainted, and simple logic to show why the claims are either false or do not support the value of the product or business. And once shown the facts, they should absorb them and acknowledge them as such, rather than looking away and changing the subject. When proven wrong, a humble person admits it. But not these buffoonish Monavie distributors; they all seem to have the same dangerous mix of ignorance, arrogance, and greed.

If you had followed the timeline of this site, you would understand Vogel’s shortness in his replies.

Dozens, if not hundreds of times, Monavie supporters show up on the site and begin the pitch. They accuse the regular posters here of working for a competitor, or of being too lazy to give the product a try, or of having no life, or of not knowing the facts about Monavie. You yourself are guilty of a few of these in your early posts. Yet on every occasion, the ‘facts’ presented by distributors are unsupported and debunked, and the FACTS posted by the regulars here are cited, supported and uncontested.

This site isn’t about opinion, or testimonials, or faith in a product/company. This site posts facts and cites references to support them. Those facts remain uncontested by Monavie corporate, its scientific advisory board and especially by its distributors. Those same facts get in the way of recruiting potential downline distributors, especially those who have the ethical wherewithall to avoid scamming people. When those recruits research the company, they will have additional resources through this site to counter the illegal distributor claims about the product.

The bottom line is that the product is overpriced and lacking in nutrition. The cost is in no way justified. The tactics used by distributors to sell the product are unethical at best and outright dangerous at worst.

As a distributor, if you don’t know the true facts and you sell this product, you are merely irresponsible and doing a disservice to your customers (financially and nutritionally). If you do know the facts, and choose to make the sale anyway, you deserve all the ire that Vogel has directed at you.

Also just once it would be refreshing if distributors followed MonaVie own rules when posting on this website:

“Distributors may post text and videos on Blogs, Social Networks, and Video Websites so long as he or she has passed our Compliance certification course.
* All text postings must include the Distributor’s name and ID number.”

How many postings have we had here that did not include a distributor name or an ID number? Is it 99.9% or higher?

In the end, it doesn’t matter who people pretend to be. If they can make logical arguments that advance the discussion, we’ll enjoy a lively debate. If not, I’ll moderate as necessary.