MonaVie EMV Lite: Now With Less Energy?

If you watch this video on Facebook, a MV distributor says that she tastes the Stevia ingredient in MV Lite – http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=760822573356&ref=mf

Yea it’s Stevia…..

Wowww so he said “It tastes like money” he knows he has a great product and he knows money will be made. After All people are in business to make money right? Brig has helped many people along the way the guy is harmless relax please.

He also said it tastes like passion fruit another distributor said like Hawaiian punch and another said like Papaya……

It is about making money through rendering a great product and a great income opportunity at the same time.

That is what most successful business present to their employees or workers.

This site seems to be afraid of peope who are successful thinking they are all out to scheme people and are evil.

Please

Fool,

You just continue to show your lack of knowledge and you continue to pass your false perceptions as facts.

First off there is only a couple guy who are selling tools and one is Brig Hart. The guy makes plenty of money besides the sales of his tools. Meanwhile the get has received bonuses of 100,000 to 1,000,000 from Monavie not because of the sales of his tools. So your point of he only makes his big money from selling his tools is false.

Your in a business you need some business tools and you are responsible for buying them for yourself because it’s your business. Brig and Monavie both provide good tools like certain brochures, newsletters, dvd’s, Posters that are very beneficial and that are not expensive at all. If you are running a business you invest in your business simple.

You start with small goals with certain ranks Star, Star 500, Star 1000, Bronze, Silver ,Gold Etc and then go from there. The ultimate goal is to hit Black Diamond but many distributors understand it will take hard work, endurance and could take a long time to get there. Most people understand they will never get there but they know they can get to 6 figures doing this business part time but it is accessible if you work hard at it. If you think Big enough you can achieve anything ask any of the millionaires in this world.

I know it must be a tough concept for you to understand because you live in you grandma’s basement but alot of people actually go out and make big things like this happen. It’s just a mindset go reads books like “Think and grow rich by Napoleon Hill and you will understand what this mindset is all about as he studied a bunch of Successful people and examined and revealed what were the traits they had.

Again you act like everybody is tricked into this idea that they are going to be millionares but people realize it will take alot of effort it can happen but not all people are trying to get there they are trying to get to $30-100,000 a year but at that point they will not stop and they will continue to build. Again if you want to be rich you can be not matter what you choose to pursue.

But back to your first rant about all the money is made from the selling of tools, there are plenty of distributors and black diamonds who make plenty and they sell no tools at all and they are making 6 figures and more. So that is just false.

Also try ordering the Juice from Ebay it most likely will be spoiled because the guy you bought it from left it in his trunk in 80 degree weather for 3 weeks. Monavie does not allow you to sell on Ebay so when they catch you doing this they will stop your distributorship and stop your orders. So only so much can go around on Ebay.

This is far far from a doomed Business…………Just another false perception by a Bigtime Monavie hater…………

Vogel all I can say is you are highly misinformed. I personally know 3 distributors that were kicked out because they sold on E-Bay. Also I know a distributor who bought from craigslist and even though the bottles had a expiration 8-10 months in advance they were spoiled because they were left out in the summer heat most likely.

As far as Monavie being profitable it can be if you treat it like a business and do activity every week. If you do nothing you will reap no benefits.

I don’t see how you are so qualified to talk about this simply by looking at stats and basing things off what you hear.

There are more than 34 millionares in this Business currently you are forgetting bonuses which the IDS doesn’t fully indicate as it average earnings. There are people in the Hawaiian Blue Diamond who are millionares and Forbes has recognized some of them. Also about the Tools point most distributors have made plenty without selling a single tool there a couple who do and they are the top leaders and those tools are very helpful to the Monavie Distributors. They didn’t get rich from just the the tools that is a perception not reality.

I’m sorry but you just don’t have the inside knowledge. You can go on to say I am spouting lies or what not but I am speaking truth and it’s a shame that you and your friends here are misleading people especially solid business minded people from a potentially very lucrative income earning opportunity.

Jim, is there anything you’d like to add to this discussion that you are willing to verify or are you just going to blow smoke?

Jim said: “I personally know 3 distributors that were kicked out because they sold on E-Bay.”

Who cares what you claim to know personally? We don’t trust Monavie distributors because they are all liars. Do you want your claim to carry some weight? If so, then simply tell us the names and the distributor ID numbers of the people who were kicked out for selling on EBay. That might allow your story to be verified; otherwise it’s just BS.

Jim said: “Vogel all I can say is you are highly misinformed. Also I know a distributor who bought from craigslist and even though the bottles had a expiration 8-10 months in advance they were spoiled because they were left out in the summer heat most likely.”

Again, prove it. We all know that you’re really just another lying jackass going through the motions and inventing scenarios that sound like a believable way to exonerate your juice. What’s the distributor’s name? ID number? When did the transaction take place? Who did they buy the juice from? What did they do about it?

Jim said: “There are more than 34 millionares in this Business currently you are forgetting bonuses which the IDS doesn’t fully indicate as it average earnings.”

I specifically said that the IDS lists 6-figure REVENUES for these 34 people, but make no mistake, revenue is not the same as PROFIT. My guess is that many of the people in the Monavie organization are merely pretending to be millionaires. Show me their tax returns and I might believe you. Those bastards are more likely to lie to rubes like you than to the IRS.

Jim said: “…it’s a shame that you and your friends here are misleading people especially solid business minded people from a potentially very lucrative income earning opportunity.”

No, it’s a shame that you are a soulless automaton who tries to make a living out of selling snakeoil to little old ladies and cancer patients, poisoning fetuses, and lying to people about the chances of success from participating in this corrupt pyramid scheme.

To Amwaysellstools: Actually, if anyone is grossly misinformed here it is you. R3Global is NOT the only Monavie sales tools franchise. There is also Black Diamond University, which is run by a cartel of longstanding Black Diamond executives, including the following:

Kelly Bangert, Darrell & Tracy Utterbach, Andre & Penny Walton, Joe & Patrice Licciardi, Eric & Rebekah Gutman, Phil and Jenny Sack , Calvin Becerra & Casey Chavez, Jim & Denise Bellacera, Blaine & Brook Williams, Conrad & Jill Padilla, Jeff & Andrea Creamer, Rudy de Leon, Chris and Tara Wilson, Paul & Dru Barrios.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080620160141/www.blackdiamonduniversity.com/monavie-leaders.asp

You also failed to mention Orrin Woodward’s TEAM tools sales franchise.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2008/0811/050.html

And these are just the examples I know of; there may be others. They are all run by executive distributors and not one penny of the sales tools revenue goes to their downlines.

” Brig Hart created his own company, R3Global, as a support system to help MonaVie distributors become successful through their MonaVie business. Through R3Global, Brig Hart sells tools. However, all the profits he makes from these tools go back into his R3Global business and not his own pocket.”

What a ridiculous crock of crap! Brig created R3Global so that he could profit enormously from Monavie distributors by taking their money for overpriced ineffective sales tools to sell a an overpriced ineffective product. Next you’ be telling us that he gives all the sales tools revenues to orphans in Brazil. I can’t believe that anyone could be stupid enough to believe that Brig doesn’t make a profit from R3G, so I have to conclude that you are lying to us on purpose. Have you ever seen one of Brig’s R3Global stores? I have. They are loaded to the rafters with useless overpriced garbage branded with the Monavie logo. You can’t even buy a bottle of Monavie juice at Brig’s R3G store — sales tools are Monavie’s raison d’etre.

You jerkoff distributors keep on accusing us of being misinformed, but then your posts demonstrate that you really don’t know your ass from your elbow. Are you really that ignorant or is the misinformation and baseless accusations all just part of the con game you’re playing?

This website isn’t against network marketing. It also isn’t against those who want to earn some extra money outside of their jobs. It is against paying for $45 (or even $20 in bulk) for juice that is not shown to be better than anything you can buy in the supermarket for $3. It is against the medical claims that those people use to get people to overpay for juice to “earn some extra money outside of their jobs.”

I don’t believe McDonalds charges their employees for their tools. If so, they would be unique in that practice. It is usually just the opposite. Typically companies pay for the education of their workers. I know of numerous companies with tuition reimbursement plans.

It is only in MonaVie’s best interest that all distributors succeed. Every bottle of juice sold is costing someone else a lot more money than the distributor receives. If Brig is able to help 100 people earn 100K per year or more, he’s cost the people drinking the juice hundreds of millions – maybe even a billion dollars.

The IDS only counts people who are actively building the business. From the IDS itself, “A ‘Distributor’ is defined as any person who: (1) executed a MonaVie Distributor Application and Agreement; (2) has sponsored at least one person; (3) has received at least one non-retail bonus; and (4) has been active in any of the eight weeks preceding the bonus period (to learn the requirements for being an ‘active’ distributor in your market, reference your country specific MonaVie Compensation Plan document).”

Clearly you are mistaken when you say, “These distributors never registered anyone in the business and are only drinking the product.” In fact, the Income Disclosure Statement is skewed in the opposite direction since it only counts people who have been fortunate enough to sponsor another person. It is quite likely that there are thousands of people who are trying to sponsor people and failing and hence don’t show up on the IDS when they should be counted as zeroes (time spent working the business for no weekly check).

or correction, the diamonds tool business in the Anway model is seperate as in MonaVie business, expcept the diamonds in Amway profit share in their tools.

Not in theory, thats a fact. If no one is signing up, then no one is purchasing tools. If no one is coming out to major functions, then Brig is no longer making money. Outside of Brig there are many other people earning a decent abount of income. Someone mentioned they would like to see a income tax return, what good is that because the next statement out of their mouth will be “well that doesnt mean it all came from MonaVie”? Its an endless circle, there is no harm here in the MonaVie business model. And I did see one of the Hawaain Blue Diamonds W2, he earned over $300K last year. And I also saw one of the Black Diamonds weekly bonus payout from MonaVie, it was $18-24K per week! And that doesnt include the one time bonuses received for acheiving that rank. MonaVie pays its ditributors well, you have to earn the right to make that kind of income. It takes long hours and hard work but in the end if you succeed the journey is well worth it.

Acai4life said: “Not in theory, thats a fact. If no one is signing up, then no one is purchasing tools. If no one is coming out to major functions, then Brig is no longer making money.”

Nice strawman there…shifting the argument from “Brig doesn’t make money if the people below him don’t make money” to “Brig doesn’t make money if no one signs up”.

Everyone below him who signs up can (and probably will) lose money and yet Brig will still make money by selling them tools and seminar tickets. In fact, the more a distributor fails, the more they will be encouraged by their upline to buy more sales tools and more seminar tickets.

BTW, I’ve seen all of these so-called sales tools. They don’t really teach anyone how to sell anything; they are little more than second-rate motivational pep-talks to keep distributors from quitting. That’s not how sales people are educated in the real world, but in the rarified world of Monavie, this crap passes for training. Laughable!

Acai4life said: “Its an endless circle, there is no harm here in the MonaVie business model. And I did see one of the Hawaain Blue Diamonds W2, he earned over $300K last year. And I also saw one of the Black Diamonds weekly bonus payout from MonaVie, it was $18-24K per week!”

Wow. I know of someone who claims to have seen Bigfoot, but that doesn’t prove that Bigfoot exists. Put up or shut up. Let’s see those names and documents. And there is obvious harm in the Monavie business model when 98% of people who sign a distributor contract lose money or make nothing, and yet they are bled for signup fees and sales tools costs nonetheless.

Unlike a real business, which screens potential salespeople to make sure they are qualified and capable of succeeding, Monavie will take anyone’s money without even a cursory glance at whether the applicant has a chance to succeed. The reason is that they don’t care whether or not they succeed as long as the distributor keeps on spending their own money on cases of juice, useless sales tools, and seminar tickets.

Vogel -

The business tools are motivational and educational? so what exactly have you seen? For any sales tool you claim isnt teaching anyone anything I will show you a sales tool in corporate america that does the same.

And c’mon with the statement put up or shut up…whats that about? so you think the black diamonds (and above) in the business are just made up numbers and they fly around for free? no money is being made? what I am I speaking with kids here? You know whats really funny, is the people on this site are probably from other MLM companies trying to knock down their biggest competition!

there is no “games” being played here. It is what it is. I’m stating as a customer you pay what I told you that you pay.

Ads for V8 Fusion? how can you compare that? there is no comparison, please compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges, oh wait you cant because there is no product out there that offers the same! 19 fruits period! V8 contains “peach mango” what is that a newly created fruit by Cambell? and what is “acai mixed berry” whats “mixed”. No need to read any previous commments, they are clearly tainted to sway people thoughts on what is simply not true. we can sit here all day and type back and forth, MonaVie has a great product that gives you the benefits of fruit in a liquid form….

cowardly, idiotic? thats some intense words there. Why would I mention them, there’s hundreds! And there’s nothing obvious about it, this is nothing more than another MLM site that is trying to take down its competition. Truth hurts huh?

C’mon this site is pathetic, and you people are nothing more than hype. its has 19 fruits and you bring up fiber?
Açai, white grape, apple, acerola, aronia, purple grape, cranberry, passion fruit, prune, kiwi, blueberry, wolfberry, camu camu, pomegranate, lychee, pear, banana, cupuaçu, and bilberry.

Peach mango is one of the listed ingredients, not a name as you state. And that creative, mixed is other things beside acai…why? why can’t it just be acai?

It has the juice of 19 fruits. MonaVie itself says that it doesn’t have a lot of the things that fruit has. That’s why you don’t see a lot of vitamins and minerals on the label. I could mix together different types of V8 Fusion and have 19 fruits as well. It doesn’t mean much when you only drink 4 ounces of it a day.

Where do you see peach mango as one of the ingredients? Directly from V8’s website: “Peach Mango contains the juice of 8 vegetables and fruits: sweet potatoes, yellow tomatoes, yellow carrots, carrots, white grapes, oranges, peaches, mango puree.”

Acai4life said, “And that creative, mixed is other things beside acai…why? why can’t it just be acai?”
I say, “Why is MonaVie mixed with other things besides acai? Why can’t it just be acai?”

Why be critical of V8 Fusion when MonaVie is exactly the same way?

but its not, it states acai not acai mix, then its states every other fruit individually not some type of newly created named fruit. How much does Cambell pay consumers to drink their product, nothing? I didnt think so….Where does Cambell claim to get the acai berry from? oh it doesnt state, MoanVie cleary states there berry is flash freeze dried right in Brazil. Thats patented, does V8 make the same claim? I didnt think so…You can’t compare the 2, MonaVie is in its own ccategory, nothing can claim to be the same.

IheartEMV,

This over-priced placebo drink is paying people a small portion of the large amount of money it takes from other people. There are plenty of people not feeling better and those that do are probably doing some serious damage to themselves by ignoring the underlying problem.

Acai4life,
I don’t know what you trying to say about the Acai Mixed Berry. Again from the website: “Acai Mixed Berry contains the juice of 8 vegetables and fruits: sweet potatoes, purple carrots, carrots, apples, white grapes, açai, blueberries, limes.” What is the problem there?

If you want to get paid for selling V8 Fusion, go right ahead. Sell it for the same price as MonaVie and keep 100% of the profit for yourself. You could make more than $25 for every bottle you sell. MonaVie doesn’t pay you nearly as well.

MonaVie’s acai is not unique (see other articles on this website)… you can get it in other places. As for the freeze-dried claim: MonaVie is less than 2% Freeze-Dried Acai. So are you really going to harp on the quality of something that is less than 2% of 4 ounces?

exactly, they dont get it…because some ditributors out there make stupid claims they attach like leeches to their claims and run with them. I know I dont eat any fruit everyday but drinking the MonaVie gives me the nutrition I need. the pulp and seed thats in the bottle is no plecebo, and my product is paid for every month by my MonaVie Visa card!

IheartEMV: “A lot of people get discourage and quit because the business does not work for them.”

You are so frighteningly oblivious as to state that truism in attempt to defend Monavie??? Of course MOST people get discouraged and quit; the system does not live up to the hype and they can’t generate a significant revenue stream hawking sickeningly overpriced poor-quality products. They quit because it doesn’t take long to realize that they have been lied to. They quit because the products are being promoted deceptively and illegally. They quit because they run out of money after having wasted it on thousands of dollars worth of useless motivational DVDs and seminars and Monavie branded merchandise. They quit because they realize they have allowed a pyramid scheme to alienate them from friends and family.

Monavie wouldn’t have survived for a year if it had been marketed using conventional retail channels — it would have been laughed off the store shelves. The only reason they use MLM to sell it is because they can convince suckers like you (with promises of eternal life and untold wealth) to literally beg from their friends and family (who occasionally will buy a bottle out of sympathy or just to shut you up) and make advertising claims that are so blatantly false and illegal that they would result in the company’s closure if they were to make them.

Did it dawn on you for an instant that if the goal of the company was to develop a good sales force, they would have a screening process to eliminate a large percentage of those people who are likely to quit and/or who are unqualified? This is what REAL companies do; they don’t take on just any random clueless dipshit like Monavie does. Any sales executive who oversaw a 98% failure rate among their sales force would have his head lopped off. Monavie doesn’t care if a distributor is qualified or that they have a very high probability of losing money. The “opportunity” is sold (literally, for $39) to such people regardless, because they can be bled to death for all they are worth.

Wow, you dont get it do you? That went right over your head (sure not to tough to do). They were just using your words to shut you up. You guys actually use MonaVie’s words and think thats a bad thing? that you get the equivelent of 5 fruits a day from 4oz. of MoanVie? Keep writing, you bury yourselves the more you write. Have you ever seen, tasted the product? are you a scientist? or wait a doctor? I can answer that for you now seeing the twisted stories you tell here, the answer is clearly NO! So you search all over the internet on any false information you can muster up and place it here….that’s special! Can you respond to Acai4life’s statement that MoanVie is a 2 billion dollar company and growing? And if the company is as bad as you make your claims to then why is it touted on the Rachel Ray show, or the doctor show or the many news stations that covered it? ASnd why did Sumner Redstone make a claim that the product was so great? He’s one of the richest men in the world, he has nothing to gaion from it? Why is the company continuing to grow each year so significantly?

vote42morrow (douchebag du jour) said: “And if the company is as bad as you make your claims to (sic) then why is it touted on the Rachel Ray show, or the doctor show or the many news stations that covered it?”

Are you joking? Not that advertorials on daytime TV talk shows like “The Doctors” matter in the slightest, but they didn’t even give Monavie a particularly good review. I noticed that the version of the video that the distributors are circulating have the comments from Dr. Travis edited out. This is what the show’s website says:

“A ‘Miracle’ Fruit? Can a berry grown in the Amazon rainforest work miracles? The Acai berry is made into a juice that is high in antioxidants and is said to help stabilize cholesterol levels, aid in weight loss and work as an anti-inflammatory. While the berry may not technically work miracles, it is a healthy drink. On the other hand, however, bottles of the juice are expensive similar nutrients can be found in other drinks. ‘I’m a big fan of pomegranate juice,’ Dr. Travis says. ‘[Acai] is a great berry to drink. [But] if you can’t afford it, there are other berries’.”

That’s more or less Juice Scam’s basic position. Monavie is overpriced and ordinary, and the same nutrients can be had in far less expensive drinks. Monavie isn’t even a well formulated or particularly healthy drink, since they add sodium benzoate to it to give it a whopping 1-year shelf life. And please don’t come back with some cut-and-paste from a Monavie brochure saying how good benzoate is for you, because if you do, I’ll have to reach out and smack you upside the head.

It doesn’t matter how many talking heads parrot the words “Monavie is good”, when all the objective evidence attests to Monavie’s lack of value, as well as the dishonesty of the company and its distributors.

The ORAC score of Monavie, which is the basis for the company’s claims to the effect that the juice provides the nutrition of ‘x’ servings of fruit and vegetables, is actually quite low relative to other common fruits, as are the levels of anthocyanins, proanthocyanadins, and polyphenols. Putting Monavie in a glitzy wine bottle is the quintessential example of trying to make a silk purse out a sow’s ear.

Monavie is crap and you’re a duplicitous, ignorant, pyramid scheme desperado. Deal with it.

you guys are hilarious! all your tech jargon, and false staements….scientific this!

data, table #1, AIBMR, quoting pages…you gotta be kidding me with that crap! blah, blah, blah!

here’s the bottom line, juice taste great, it certainly not soda, why dont you spend your time on something more useful? MonaVie is growing by the hour, day, month, year….we’re making money and having fun on the way!

MONAVIE ROCKS! Thats what they should change the name to here, MonaVie ROCKS! Yeah, I like that it has a great ring to it…

You guys are rediculous, spend your time where it counts, like me give you a clue….this isnt it!

acai4life aka vote42morrow, this isn’t some second-rate website that you can hijack. Monavie scam will deal with you as he sees fit. May I suggest you try the Purple Horror website? There are many low brow MonaVie distributors there who will gladly accept you.

[Editor's Note: Good call Food Tech, acai4life and vote42morrow are the same person from what I can see. I'll be updating the comments to reflect that.]

Acai4life said: “Think we’ll have to turn this website around and start having the MonaVie distributors use it as a blog to each other…I will pass the word around.”

What a jackass. Do you really think you’ll be allowed to do that? Your posts will get deleted and you’ll be blocked. What a shame that would be. Your posts to date have served as a vivid warning as to the type of desperate, dishonest, braindead stooges that occupy the rank and file of the Monavie organization.

[Editor's Note: Actually I already deleted some of his posts including the one you quoted above.]

Your link to the google search about Monavies advertising putting down other energy drinks for being low-calorie, and therefore low energy is a little lacking. There are 4 search results, one link which is broken, 2 of which are facebook pages, and the other is a blog. None of these are a MonaVie website. So where exactly does this wording come from?

It was not me who claimed to want to hijack the website. And obviously the others were joking. Don’t take life so serious. So far what I’ve seen from you Vogel on this site is the inability to have an actual adult conversation. You’ve done nothing but bash and insult people everytime you comment. I just noticed on another board you calling somebody a “dipshit” for copying and pasting info from a MonaVie brochure.
And nobody is ignoring the science here.
Show us this data table #1 you speak of.

IheartEMV,

Acai4life and vote42morrow are the same person (I can see from the activity on my website). He’s just trying to drown out the good information in noise by having conversation with himself. That’s deserving of insult.

This blog is my house and every commenter here is a visitor. If you treat me with respect and logically discuss the juice, we’ll have no problem. Acai4life/vote42morrow didn’t do either which is why I’m going through to delete many of his comments. Those who have been logical and respectful have had very fruitful debates.

IheartEMV said,

“Truth is simply a matter of perception. We believe what we say to be true. We are not being dishonest in any of it. Just as you believe what you say to be true.”

This is an interesting debate tactic, but it’s clearly wrong. You can’t affect truth by changing your perception. It’s not like I could perceive that it would be beneficial to my health to shoot myself in the head, and it would suddenly become truth. Could I simply perceive tap water as more nutritious than fruit and make that true? It’s okay to believe in what you say to be true, but please explain your beliefs. This isn’t something that is difficult to prove like religion. This is something that’s very, very straight-forward like a bullet in the head.

IheartEMV said, “And speaking of facts, these posts are attached to an article on how EMV Lite has less energy because its low-cal. WOW! Yes, calories is a measurement of energy…but not in the same way that somebody feels energy. Most energy drinks, healthy or not don’t give energy from calories…it’s from the sugar and the caffeine. With the logic of, low-calories equals low energy, then a big-mac from mcdonalds would give me energy for days!”

Thank you for actually bringing a good argument to the table. Did you read the article though. When EMV came out MonaVie’s marketing was, “A significant number of energy drinks are also available in sugar free or low carbohydrate versions. These products provide very little if any ‘real energy,’ since energy comes from calories.” Now MonaVie is out with their own low-carbohydrate version of it’s energy drink – EMV Lite. Not too many months after condemning the other juices, MonaVie has completely flipped it’s position on “real energy.”

MonaVie has to pick one marketing message. They can’t have it both ways. If they want to take the real energy comes from calories stance, then it shouldn’t be selling EMV Lite. If they want to take the “calories is a measurement of energy…but not in the same way that somebody feels energy” stance then they shouldn’t have marketed EMV with the false information about “real energy”.

That said, IheartEMV, please note that EMV Lite also gets it’s energy from caffeine in the form of guarana. It’s no different than Sugar-free Red Bull in that regard.

To help me clarify my point of truth and perception, perhaps somebody could point out the “dishonesties” that have been stated here.

If you read another post of mine about the EMV….I stated that these words have not been linked anywhere directly to MonaVie. There are 2 facebook pages, and a blog. Nowhere in MonaVie’s marketing that I have found does it state this. If it does, it definitely does not make any sense for them to say that. Perhaps, at the time of EMV’s launch they didn’t know what they were talking about. Perhaps seeing lite energy drinks coming on the market sparked some more research into the matter, and they discovered that their previous statement was in fact, incorrect.
Not sure what your point is about the Red Bull. I understand that EMV lite gets it’s energy from caffeine as I stated that previously.

Please show me the actual test results from Chromadex labs, and stop pointing to an article that anyone could have written.

[Editor's Note: If this is in reference to the Men's Journal / Chromadex study feel free to present us with a better article from an unbiased source testing multiple juices in an independent laboratory.]

In regards to EMV lite, the “energy” comes from green tea extract, guarana, and yerba mate. Yerba mate may be a potential carcinogen. I am assuming that EMV lite contains these same three ingredients as EMV. I haven’t seen an EMV lite ingredient label, so correct me if I’m wrong.

The effect would be the same as if you were to take a nodoz tablet.

Just more marketing gobbledygook.

You’ll have to contact Men’s Journal to see the actual lab reports. A second option is for you to finance your own study.

And what would the cost of an independent study be? I can’t imagine very affordable, otherwise I’m sure you guys would do it yourselves for further proof.

I can only speak for myself. I was asked to investigate this juice by some friends that I know who were contemplating becoming distributors. It quickly became obvious that this was nothing more than a fruit punch in a pretty bottle.

What really caught my interest was the nonsense about this product being able to treat multiple afflictions.

I’ve already done the research on the product, so I currently only comment on studies that have already been performed. It doesn’t take a scientist to check the facts. Anyone can compare numbers. I hope that you check the references that I supply. If you find other information, I’ll be glad to review it.

Also, it’s not necessary to take my word for anything. You can print off the AIBMR study, along with the USDA ORAC table and have any clinical dietician review it.

You can also get free advice from food technology extension services at UC Davis, the University of Georgia, or Cornell University.

All three should have nutritionists on staff who can answer your questions.

What afflictions are being treated?
From my understanding there are legal claims us distributors are allowed to make, and then there are testimonials from other people of what it has done for them. MonaVie will actually back up you guys as far as people saying it treats or cures anything.

Example 1: MonaVie Active…we are able to claim increased energy, better sleep, reduction in minor aches and pains. That’s it!

Example 2: MonaVie Pulse…containts 8g of plant sterols. FDA has proven 8g of plant sterols will reduce blood pressure and cholesterol levels.

It was 2.91 mg/ml of total phenolics and 0.095 mg/ml. of anthocyanins

Don’t you trust me?

IheartEMV said,

“Just received an email from MonaVie in regards to the whole calories thing.
They have not changed their stance on energy comes from calories. Stated word for word from their email:

‘Thank you for your question. Emv lite still contains more calories than a zero calorie or no sugar product, with 75 calories per 8 ounces, it is still a good amount of calories for a beverage product. We decided to formulate Emv lite because distributors and customers wanted a lower calorie energy drink.’

It is still higher in calories than sugar-free red-bull for example, which contains 10 calories in an 8 oz. can.”

Excellent, so my original article title of “EMV Lite: Now with less energy?” is quite accurate.

IheartEMV said,

“Somewhat off topic…why put so much energy into de-bunking MonaVie anyway? Wouldn’t your time and effort be better off fighting the tobacco industry or something? Sure, even if everything you say is correct and this company is duping people into spending large quantities of money on a poor quality product..in the end it’s just fruit juice. It’s not harming anyone physically…just financially (again assuming you are correct…this is not me agreeing with you.)”

There is little debate that tobacco isn’t good for you. I think that fight is already well represented by numerous people. Everyone I know who smokes wishes they didn’t… The Surgeon General has a warning right on the product.

Under the assumption that I’m correct (your words), hurting people financially is a huge deal. What happened when Bernie Madoff’s pyramid scheme was exposed? Numerous charities lost the money that they had been counting on. He was just hurting people financially, right? You can’t just hurt people financially and expect that there are no physical consequences.

Also, if MonaVie works like a placebo it may mask underlying health conditions. If these conditions go untreated it could be harming people physically.

IheartEMV said,

Example 2: MonaVie Pulse…containts 8g of plant sterols. FDA has proven 8g of plant sterols will reduce blood pressure and cholesterol levels.

It is actually 0.8g of plant sterols on both accounts .

Quotes from IheartEMV:

“…you may as well just give up. Nothing you can say will ever change the minds of people who dedicate their lives to bashing MLMs… You will never change their minds, so no point in fighting it. All you will get out of this is frustration.”

“…I don’t understand why any of us, distributors, or mlm haters, have to bash each other at all.”

“…have a real debate with some facts.”

Y’know, after re-reading some of your posts, I couldn’t help but notice what a disingenuous fleck of excrement you are. You came here and, in your very first post, started bashing; then you had the F-ing nerve to say that you don’t understand the bashing. And how is accusing us of bashing all MLMs consistent with your hypocritical admonition to “have a debate with some real facts”? Whenever you have been presented with facts, you either ignored them or tried to quickly change the subject.

IheartEMV : “After reading through the AIBMR study, as I have done in the past…it is all well and good to compare the 22.8 to the ORAC of an apple. However you must keep in mind (and this is based on my limited knowledge as I am no scientist or doctor) that…”

Well, if you aren’t a scientist or a doctor, why do you have the gall to re-interpret the results of a scientific study? It’s not like reading a Monavie brochure; you actually have to have knowledge to interpret scientific research publications. Your misplaced bravado in trying to tell us what the science means, even though you aren’t even remotely qualified to do so, is akin to reviewing a document written in Greek and saying that even though you don’t speak Greek, you are going to offer your translation. And you weren’t even remotely accurate in your assumption about converting ORAC scores from units/gram to units/mL…and this is basic high school chemistry.

And in regards to hating all MLMs…there are a lot of things MonaVie is being criticized about on this website, that are typical of all MLMs.

Simply stating in the fact that I’m in Canada that I’m not violating any US laws.
Also, I’m not sure why you keep stating that I am making claims of curing diseases. If you read my previous post, one that you yourself have quoted, I specifically stated that MonaVie would back you up and agree with you. We are constantly told that we can NOT make such claims and I never have.

IheartEMV: “My mistake about blood pressure. After reviewing the Approved Claims list for MonaVie pulse, I have made a mistake. It must have been something I heard from an upline mentor. I will make sure to pass that information along. I am one of those distributors who tries to abide by all proper policies. I don’t disregard the FTC regulations.”

Oh a MISTAKE…in that case…(douchebag!). That kind of MISTAKE could seriously injure or kill someone you irresposible fool.

You say that you try to abide by policy but you didn’t even bother to read the list of approved claims for Canada until I rubbed your nose in it? And if you live in Canada, as you claimed, why would you care what the FTC says; their jurisdiction does not extend to Canada. How many more lies will be you tripping over today?

Please tell me why the F you are coming here to tell US about Monavie, when in fact it is you that is getting educated about what you can and cannot say about the product. And since you are getting that badly needed education here, and you previously offered up bad information (claiming that Monavie lowers blood pressure), you should be thankful that this website exists and you should be apologizing profusely for the critical comments that you made in your first post. We are providing a valuable service here –- protecting people from ignorant predators like you. You should be mopping floors for a living –- the world would be a little bit safer.

Hope you got what you wanted Vogel. I’m out of here.
MonaVie Scam, good talking with you. At least you seem intelligent. I don’t need the constant negativity and insults from Vogel, so I won’t be commenting on here anymore.
Hope you achieve what you want with this website. I however, am going to go and continue to build my MonaVie business.

Vogel, I think you hurt his feelings.

This is all so ridiculous. What a great day for Monavie –- one distributor busted here for masquerading as two different people; another busted for overstating the sterol content of Monavie Pulse and falsely claiming that Monavie lowers blood pressure (a mistake they later fessed up to); and Shante Schroeder blogging about how Monavie miraculously cures brain injury and wakes people up out of comas. Is there any question that this company will go down in flames?

If a lying distributor approaches with a bottle of this fraud tonic, my advice is to either (a) “accidentally” let it drop on the floor and then refuse to pay; (b) bat them upside the head with it.

Nice. Was curious how you go about knowing who the double posters are. Figured it had to be IP address. Guess I was right. Just having some fun…was pretty sure it would be caught.
Cheers guys.

That the first, most obvious way . There are others, but I won’t go into them.

In the end, it doesn’t matter who people pretend to be. If they can make logical arguments that advance the discussion, we’ll enjoy a lively debate. If not, I’ll moderate as necessary.

You’ve been proven wrong over and over again parasite.

IheartEMV (and others)

If you had followed the timeline of this site, you would understand Vogel’s shortness in his replies.

Dozens, if not hundreds of times, Monavie supporters show up on the site and begin the pitch. They accuse the regular posters here of working for a competitor, or of being too lazy to give the product a try, or of having no life, or of not knowing the facts about Monavie. You yourself are guilty of a few of these in your early posts. Yet on every occasion, the ‘facts’ presented by distributors are unsupported and debunked, and the FACTS posted by the regulars here are cited, supported and uncontested.

This site isn’t about opinion, or testimonials, or faith in a product/company. This site posts facts and cites references to support them. Those facts remain uncontested by Monavie corporate, its scientific advisory board and especially by its distributors. Those same facts get in the way of recruiting potential downline distributors, especially those who have the ethical wherewithall to avoid scamming people. When those recruits research the company, they will have additional resources through this site to counter the illegal distributor claims about the product.

The bottom line is that the product is overpriced and lacking in nutrition. The cost is in no way justified. The tactics used by distributors to sell the product are unethical at best and outright dangerous at worst.

As a distributor, if you don’t know the true facts and you sell this product, you are merely irresponsible and doing a disservice to your customers (financially and nutritionally). If you do know the facts, and choose to make the sale anyway, you deserve all the ire that Vogel has directed at you.

Actually, Vogel really held back. I think he was just toying with him.