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		<title>By: DoneWithMonaVie</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-does-not-provide-energy/comment-page-2/#comment-10999</link>
		<dc:creator>DoneWithMonaVie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do know that most degenerative diseases can be helped with proper nutrition that is hard to find these days. We need fresh organic fruits and vegetables. So I was excited when someone shared &quot;all that&quot; (Supposedly) packet in one bottle, 4 oz per day. BUT....The thing that stopped me in my tracks after signing up, buying a few cases and holding a couple meetings was: the fact that I could not get an accurate nutritional ingredient amount to compare with anything.  I did a lot of research on acai berry and tried to find out how much was in the MonaVie product.  But you can&#039;t find it (Their trade secret, right?)  And then there is this supposedly patented process (That no one else has) to get the berries here - like frozen in time.  OK, here is the deal. The minute you pluck any fruit or vegetable from the plant or vine, a process begins taking place. It is never as good as that very moment. Next you puree it, another deteriorating process, it is never that nutritional as drinking it at that very moment. Even after two to 4 hours it looses nutritional value.  So next, you store it in a bottle, in cases, on trucks and in warehouses…for HOW LONG? What is really in that bottle?  I think it is something that is an ok product, but WAY…WAY…over priced!!! My suggestion, buy fresh organic whole fruits and vegetables and juice them and drink them immediately on a daily basis and see how you feel then.  You can repair a lot in the body when you give it the proper building blocks.  You’ll be surprised how good you feel and how little it will cost you compared to MonaVie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do know that most degenerative diseases can be helped with proper nutrition that is hard to find these days. We need fresh organic fruits and vegetables. So I was excited when someone shared &#8220;all that&#8221; (Supposedly) packet in one bottle, 4 oz per day. BUT&#8230;.The thing that stopped me in my tracks after signing up, buying a few cases and holding a couple meetings was: the fact that I could not get an accurate nutritional ingredient amount to compare with anything.  I did a lot of research on acai berry and tried to find out how much was in the MonaVie product.  But you can&#8217;t find it (Their trade secret, right?)  And then there is this supposedly patented process (That no one else has) to get the berries here &#8211; like frozen in time.  OK, here is the deal. The minute you pluck any fruit or vegetable from the plant or vine, a process begins taking place. It is never as good as that very moment. Next you puree it, another deteriorating process, it is never that nutritional as drinking it at that very moment. Even after two to 4 hours it looses nutritional value.  So next, you store it in a bottle, in cases, on trucks and in warehouses…for HOW LONG? What is really in that bottle?  I think it is something that is an ok product, but WAY…WAY…over priced!!! My suggestion, buy fresh organic whole fruits and vegetables and juice them and drink them immediately on a daily basis and see how you feel then.  You can repair a lot in the body when you give it the proper building blocks.  You’ll be surprised how good you feel and how little it will cost you compared to MonaVie.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyberxion</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-does-not-provide-energy/comment-page-2/#comment-8902</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyberxion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 20:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that our posts will be deleted, but being that you&#039;re obviously subscribing to new posts just the same as I am, I know that you&#039;ll see this even if it gets cut. 

Here&#039;s the thing Joe, if you were talking to MonavieScam--which you obviously were not being that he&#039;s an individual and the phrasing in your post indicated that you were addressing multiple people--then that makes you an even bigger asshole than you were when it seemed like you were speaking generally. Compared to the rest of us, he&#039;s Mother Teresa in the way he addresses Monavie&#039;s sales-scum. It would be a grevious misdirection of your holier-than-thou bullcrap if he were truly its lone target. 

Also, I never did think that you were speaking to me specifically. In fact I didn&#039;t care whether or not you had even included me as one of &quot;you guys&quot; in your post. I merely explained to you why I in particular am not going to change the way I speak to Monavie distributors, so as to help you understand why your critique was nothing more than ignorant, self-righteous nonsense. 

I don&#039;t care about anything you have to say, insofar as I&#039;m not going to change just because some self-important troll drops by and waves his finger in your face. Like I said in my last post, if it looks like I care about what you say at all, it&#039;s because you&#039;ve forced me to explain this all to you a few times over. We can&#039;t keep you from coming here, and we can&#039;t keep you from derailing the conversation with your self-important finger-wagging while you&#039;re here. All that we can do is keep telling you as many times as it takes why we choose to conduct ourselves in the manner we do, and hope that eventually it sinks in. 

Lastly, even if you hadn&#039;t used all-encompassing language in your critique, you included me in the discussion the moment you chose to respond to me directly. If your critique didn&#039;t include my posts, then you could have just ignored me, or at the very least could have clarified who it was that said critique regarded, but you chose to engage me instead. That&#039;s your mistake kiddo, not mine. And besides, why would you question MonavieScam about our behavior in the first place? He has no control over it. Nah, you&#039;re just trotting out the same lame bullcrap that internet trolls tend to fall back on when they&#039;ve dug themselves in too deep and can&#039;t think of a way out. 


As an aside, you do know that in repeating the mantra &quot;I hope everything goes well for you&quot; even as you&#039;re acting like an unbearable twit, you come off as being very creepy, right? You&#039;re switching gears from being a complete douche-nozzle one moment, to wishing me well the next, and while I very well may have an anger-management problem depending on how you choose to view what I&#039;ve said here, you seem like you&#039;ve got a severe psychosis that you might want to have managed before you snap and kill somebody. That&#039;s just really, really eerie. Stop it. I&#039;d rather you just say what&#039;s really on your mind than keep pretending like you give a crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that our posts will be deleted, but being that you&#8217;re obviously subscribing to new posts just the same as I am, I know that you&#8217;ll see this even if it gets cut. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing Joe, if you were talking to MonavieScam&#8211;which you obviously were not being that he&#8217;s an individual and the phrasing in your post indicated that you were addressing multiple people&#8211;then that makes you an even bigger asshole than you were when it seemed like you were speaking generally. Compared to the rest of us, he&#8217;s Mother Teresa in the way he addresses Monavie&#8217;s sales-scum. It would be a grevious misdirection of your holier-than-thou bullcrap if he were truly its lone target. </p>
<p>Also, I never did think that you were speaking to me specifically. In fact I didn&#8217;t care whether or not you had even included me as one of &#8220;you guys&#8221; in your post. I merely explained to you why I in particular am not going to change the way I speak to Monavie distributors, so as to help you understand why your critique was nothing more than ignorant, self-righteous nonsense. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care about anything you have to say, insofar as I&#8217;m not going to change just because some self-important troll drops by and waves his finger in your face. Like I said in my last post, if it looks like I care about what you say at all, it&#8217;s because you&#8217;ve forced me to explain this all to you a few times over. We can&#8217;t keep you from coming here, and we can&#8217;t keep you from derailing the conversation with your self-important finger-wagging while you&#8217;re here. All that we can do is keep telling you as many times as it takes why we choose to conduct ourselves in the manner we do, and hope that eventually it sinks in. </p>
<p>Lastly, even if you hadn&#8217;t used all-encompassing language in your critique, you included me in the discussion the moment you chose to respond to me directly. If your critique didn&#8217;t include my posts, then you could have just ignored me, or at the very least could have clarified who it was that said critique regarded, but you chose to engage me instead. That&#8217;s your mistake kiddo, not mine. And besides, why would you question MonavieScam about our behavior in the first place? He has no control over it. Nah, you&#8217;re just trotting out the same lame bullcrap that internet trolls tend to fall back on when they&#8217;ve dug themselves in too deep and can&#8217;t think of a way out. </p>
<p>As an aside, you do know that in repeating the mantra &#8220;I hope everything goes well for you&#8221; even as you&#8217;re acting like an unbearable twit, you come off as being very creepy, right? You&#8217;re switching gears from being a complete douche-nozzle one moment, to wishing me well the next, and while I very well may have an anger-management problem depending on how you choose to view what I&#8217;ve said here, you seem like you&#8217;ve got a severe psychosis that you might want to have managed before you snap and kill somebody. That&#8217;s just really, really eerie. Stop it. I&#8217;d rather you just say what&#8217;s really on your mind than keep pretending like you give a crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-does-not-provide-energy/comment-page-2/#comment-8895</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 19:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyberxion, if you don&#039;t care what i have to say then why do you keep posting stuff answering me back when my main post was to MonaVie Scam not to you! thanks and this will be my last post. I really hope all goes well to you Cyberxion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyberxion, if you don&#8217;t care what i have to say then why do you keep posting stuff answering me back when my main post was to MonaVie Scam not to you! thanks and this will be my last post. I really hope all goes well to you Cyberxion!</p>
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		<title>By: MonaVie Scam</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-does-not-provide-energy/comment-page-2/#comment-8871</link>
		<dc:creator>MonaVie Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 15:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to start deleting anything further said about how people are acting on this site.  It&#039;s not on the topic.

Jim makes a good point, and I hope it doesn&#039;t get lost here.  A lot of people are glamoured (to borrow a word from True Blood) by MonaVie.  These are probably very good people and they probably truly believe they are doing the right thing.  I wrote about that in the past here: http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/my-friend-is-brainwashed-by-get-rich-quick-schemes-help/.

I think these people need to want help themselves...  I provide a lot of the information here that should &quot;unglamour&quot; those who are looking for help.  That, and trying to inform people before they get involved is the best I can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to start deleting anything further said about how people are acting on this site.  It&#8217;s not on the topic.</p>
<p>Jim makes a good point, and I hope it doesn&#8217;t get lost here.  A lot of people are glamoured (to borrow a word from True Blood) by MonaVie.  These are probably very good people and they probably truly believe they are doing the right thing.  I wrote about that in the past here: <a href="http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/my-friend-is-brainwashed-by-get-rich-quick-schemes-help/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/my-friend-is-brainwashed-by-get-rich-quick-schemes-help/</a>.</p>
<p>I think these people need to want help themselves&#8230;  I provide a lot of the information here that should &#8220;unglamour&#8221; those who are looking for help.  That, and trying to inform people before they get involved is the best I can do.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyberxion</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-does-not-provide-energy/comment-page-2/#comment-8870</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyberxion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 15:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen Joe,  you came in here nearly two months after the last post, and while completely ignorant of the context behind our exchanges with these people, called us haters. You said that we have anger management issues because you’re incapable of understanding why we might address Monavie distributors the way that we do. You told us that we should stick solely to the facts in our responses, when not only is that not yours to dictate to us, but if you weren’t just here to assert your sense of moral superiority over the rest of us, you’d have noted that the facts about Monavie and its distributors are indeed covered in the articles themselves. We don’t need to retread the facts just because Monavie’s sales force constantly ignores them. You continued to dictate to us how we should conduct ourselves even after having it explained to you why we approach these scammers the way that we do. You weren’t content to just share your opinion and then leave it at that. Even now you continue to wave your self-righteous finger in our faces, and do so for no other reason than that we don’t conduct ourselves in a manner befitting your own sensibilities. You are the very embodiment of an out-of-control superiority complex. 

We may not handle Monavie’s distributors with kid gloves, but there is a reason for it whether or not you agree with it from atop your moral high-horse. You, however, seem to have been motivated to post simply because you get off on acting as if someone died and made you the chief of the morals police.  You would have to be incredibly self-involved for your first inclination upon finding this site to be to take us to task for the way we talk to distributors, instead of educating yourself via the many articles posted here about why we feel the way that we do about them. 

Joe, I don’t wish you any ill will, but I think you need to pack it up and move on. Your opinions are duly noted, but I don’t know you from a pimple on my ass, so if you’re expecting me to defer to your advice you’re only going to end up disappointed. As long as they use egregious lies to help them sell their wares, I will continue to address Monavie’s sales force as the scum of the Earth that they are, and I will trust that the rest of this site’s readers will be intelligent enough to read the articles and inform themselves instead of getting hung up on something so trivial like you did. I simply don’t care what you have to say one way or the other, and if it appears that I do, it’s because you have yet to accept that even after having it told to you a few times now. Please don’t make me repeat myself again, Joe.   

There are plenty of causes more deserving of your attention than this one, kiddo. Go find one of those to harp on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen Joe,  you came in here nearly two months after the last post, and while completely ignorant of the context behind our exchanges with these people, called us haters. You said that we have anger management issues because you’re incapable of understanding why we might address Monavie distributors the way that we do. You told us that we should stick solely to the facts in our responses, when not only is that not yours to dictate to us, but if you weren’t just here to assert your sense of moral superiority over the rest of us, you’d have noted that the facts about Monavie and its distributors are indeed covered in the articles themselves. We don’t need to retread the facts just because Monavie’s sales force constantly ignores them. You continued to dictate to us how we should conduct ourselves even after having it explained to you why we approach these scammers the way that we do. You weren’t content to just share your opinion and then leave it at that. Even now you continue to wave your self-righteous finger in our faces, and do so for no other reason than that we don’t conduct ourselves in a manner befitting your own sensibilities. You are the very embodiment of an out-of-control superiority complex. </p>
<p>We may not handle Monavie’s distributors with kid gloves, but there is a reason for it whether or not you agree with it from atop your moral high-horse. You, however, seem to have been motivated to post simply because you get off on acting as if someone died and made you the chief of the morals police.  You would have to be incredibly self-involved for your first inclination upon finding this site to be to take us to task for the way we talk to distributors, instead of educating yourself via the many articles posted here about why we feel the way that we do about them. </p>
<p>Joe, I don’t wish you any ill will, but I think you need to pack it up and move on. Your opinions are duly noted, but I don’t know you from a pimple on my ass, so if you’re expecting me to defer to your advice you’re only going to end up disappointed. As long as they use egregious lies to help them sell their wares, I will continue to address Monavie’s sales force as the scum of the Earth that they are, and I will trust that the rest of this site’s readers will be intelligent enough to read the articles and inform themselves instead of getting hung up on something so trivial like you did. I simply don’t care what you have to say one way or the other, and if it appears that I do, it’s because you have yet to accept that even after having it told to you a few times now. Please don’t make me repeat myself again, Joe.   </p>
<p>There are plenty of causes more deserving of your attention than this one, kiddo. Go find one of those to harp on.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-does-not-provide-energy/comment-page-2/#comment-8860</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Cyberxion it is your opinion, and I am glad we are able to express them. 

Keep on doing what your doing. Not trying to stop you. Just stating my opinion here.

I am not trying to be self-righteous but you can think so if you want too. Just trying to help really.

And I am not a tool, lol!

Hopefully all goes well with you and your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Cyberxion it is your opinion, and I am glad we are able to express them. </p>
<p>Keep on doing what your doing. Not trying to stop you. Just stating my opinion here.</p>
<p>I am not trying to be self-righteous but you can think so if you want too. Just trying to help really.</p>
<p>And I am not a tool, lol!</p>
<p>Hopefully all goes well with you and your life.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyberxion</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-does-not-provide-energy/comment-page-2/#comment-8854</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyberxion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, I&#039;ll work on my &quot;anger management issues&quot; as soon as you make an effort to stop being a pompous, self-righteous twit. 

For you see Joe, our indignation is fully justified whether or not you choose to accept it. You, however, seem to be the sort of person who gets a kick out of telling other people how they should behave, as evinced by the fact that you continue to insist that we&#039;ve got anger issues even after having the context behind our ire explained to you rather clearly. You&#039;re a tool, Joe. 

So frankly, you can take your judgment of us and cram it, my friend. And don&#039;t let that bother you, it&#039;s just my opinion after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I&#8217;ll work on my &#8220;anger management issues&#8221; as soon as you make an effort to stop being a pompous, self-righteous twit. </p>
<p>For you see Joe, our indignation is fully justified whether or not you choose to accept it. You, however, seem to be the sort of person who gets a kick out of telling other people how they should behave, as evinced by the fact that you continue to insist that we&#8217;ve got anger issues even after having the context behind our ire explained to you rather clearly. You&#8217;re a tool, Joe. </p>
<p>So frankly, you can take your judgment of us and cram it, my friend. And don&#8217;t let that bother you, it&#8217;s just my opinion after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-does-not-provide-energy/comment-page-2/#comment-8851</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyberxion... I agree with you that many knowingly defraud their downline, but there is also a large percentage of gullible defrauded people as well. I understand it is difficult to comprehend so many as so niave but I believe that is part of the cult aspect of Mona vie. Being indoctrinated to believe in the woo, to believe in the the millioniare mindset, and to just plain believe.  It is my opinion that mona vie borders on a motivational cult using positive thinking, religion and family values to manipulate the uncritical masses. It is a very sad shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyberxion&#8230; I agree with you that many knowingly defraud their downline, but there is also a large percentage of gullible defrauded people as well. I understand it is difficult to comprehend so many as so niave but I believe that is part of the cult aspect of Mona vie. Being indoctrinated to believe in the woo, to believe in the the millioniare mindset, and to just plain believe.  It is my opinion that mona vie borders on a motivational cult using positive thinking, religion and family values to manipulate the uncritical masses. It is a very sad shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-does-not-provide-energy/comment-page-2/#comment-8848</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just think it&#039;s not good for you to have all this hate in you is all. But like I said do as you please.

Please don&#039;t get pissed at me, I am not in any way mad at you. I just think it&#039;s better to be more positive.

But if you want to act this way, it&#039;s your choice. Go ahead and do it, more power to ya!

I really do hope you help some people but your attitude might not is all I am saying.

Thanks for letting me state my opinion and posting on here, I hope you get your anger issues resolved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just think it&#8217;s not good for you to have all this hate in you is all. But like I said do as you please.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t get pissed at me, I am not in any way mad at you. I just think it&#8217;s better to be more positive.</p>
<p>But if you want to act this way, it&#8217;s your choice. Go ahead and do it, more power to ya!</p>
<p>I really do hope you help some people but your attitude might not is all I am saying.</p>
<p>Thanks for letting me state my opinion and posting on here, I hope you get your anger issues resolved.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyberxion</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-does-not-provide-energy/comment-page-2/#comment-8809</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyberxion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 04:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He does that. I, however, am not affiliated with the site in any way whatsoever, so I&#039;ll say what I please, thanks.  

Like MonavieScam says, these people basically rob people for all intents and purposes, and they do so knowingly and willingly. Moreover, these people&#039;s lies could end up doing their victims real physical harm, and that makes them lower than dirt as far as I&#039;m concerned. 

Call it uncouth if you will, but I&#039;m not about to temper my tone when addressing these lying thieves. They deserve all the venom they get and more. If anything, you should be happy that things have remained as civil as they have between us and the Monavie cultists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He does that. I, however, am not affiliated with the site in any way whatsoever, so I&#8217;ll say what I please, thanks.  </p>
<p>Like MonavieScam says, these people basically rob people for all intents and purposes, and they do so knowingly and willingly. Moreover, these people&#8217;s lies could end up doing their victims real physical harm, and that makes them lower than dirt as far as I&#8217;m concerned. </p>
<p>Call it uncouth if you will, but I&#8217;m not about to temper my tone when addressing these lying thieves. They deserve all the venom they get and more. If anything, you should be happy that things have remained as civil as they have between us and the Monavie cultists.</p>
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