MonaVie Does Not Provide Energy |
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I’ve heard a lot of distributors claim that drinking MonaVie Original and/or MonaVie Active “gives them energy.” This is a fairly hard thing to prove as I only know of one way to objectively measuring energy – calories. MonaVie’s label lists it as having 30 calories a serving. This is a small amount of “energy”, since the normal diet is recommended at 2000 a calories a day. You’d need to take 66 servings of MonaVie a day to get the recommended energy in your diet. At a wholesale cost of 80 cents a serving ($20 for 25 1oz servings), this would cost you $52.80 a day!
Fortunately, MonaVie has indirectly proven that MonaVie Original and MonaVie Active do not provide any “real energy.” They’ve released this nugget when launching their MonaVie Energy (eMV) drink:
A significant number of energy drinks are also available in sugar free or low carbohydrate versions. These products provide very little if any “real energy,” since energy comes from calories.
You can find on that on many MonaVie sites. It’s not a coincidence that so many sites have this exact marketing pitch. The three paragraphs that the sentence comes from is exactly the same on many, many sites. All these distributors didn’t come up with the same wording independently of each other.
So if someone tells you that MonaVie Original or MonaVie Active provide them with energy, you can conclude one of three things:
- It is the placebo effect – If this is true, the person should look for a cheaper placebo and save their hard earned dollars. Placebos should cost pennies. For someone to charge $40 (or even $20 when purchased in bulk), is fraud.
- The person is a liar – They are simply telling you that they receive this energy because they are making a buck selling you juice
- MonaVie (and the person distributing MonaVie Energy) is a liar – The material that they are sending out quoted above is false and that energy can come from drinks with few calories (including MonaVie Original and MonaVie Active and other drinks with “few calories”).
If there’s a four possible scenario that I didn’t anticipate, let me know in the comments.
Originally posted 2009-09-01 12:14:00.
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September 9th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
funny thing is i have reseached all of these things and that still doesnt explain why my wife taking mona vie at 4 oz dose has totally taken her off of medication.the doc say keep doing what ever your doing.she also has more energy.also the things that i have learned through team has help me a great deal with leadership skills,public speaking which is a fear for most people, and has reaffirm my faith. not metion what the new emv drink does for me as far a energy goes with out the crash of other drinks.i also know individuals that are now free from a slave job all because of some people you call liars!
September 9th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
First, you are implying that MonaVie has something to do with your wife’s medical condition, which is illegal. For all you know it could be the bed she’s sleeping in or the pillow. It could be the changing season. You have no scientific evidence that the FDA would approve linking MonaVie to aiding whatever your wife’s ailment is.
There seems to be a gaping hole in your research then. You might want to look into: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo
You should also avoid talking about MonaVie in “doses” as medicine is measured that way, not juice. No one ever says in everyday conversation that I took a dose of orange juice.
I know many individuals who are also bankrupt from MonaVie. Here’s one example: My Friend is Brainwashed by Get Rich Quick Schemes, Help!
We can look at MonaVie’s Income Disclosure Statement (http://media.monavie.com/pdf/corporate/income_disclosure_statement.pdf) and find that over 95% of the people actively making sales of the juice are barely breaking even after buying their juice for all their “slave work” (you brought up “slave job” first).
Michael, why don’t you look at those three bullet points in the article again, and refute the point I’m making. Either the distributors are lying about getting energy, it’s the placebo effect, or MonaVie is lying about calories being necessary for energy. I contend that one of those three MUST be true.
Either show me a fourth scenario that I’m missing or tell me which one is true. Sounds like you are in the placebo camp or “MonaVie headquarters is lying” camp since you claim that it provides energy.
September 24th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
We need a couple of additional details to determine whether or not your story is complete bullshit.
1. Did your wife stop taking her medication at her doctor’s behest, or was it a short-term regimen for a temporary illness?
It’s entirely possible, since you didn’t feel it necessary to elaborate on the matter, that your wife could have been on a short-term regimen for a temporary illness. For all we know, she caught a bug and was on an antibiotic. So is it possible perhaps, that your wife stopped taking her medication because it was past the point that she needed it, and not because Monavie did anything for her?
Sharing a vague, formless anecdote with us is pointless. You need to be willing to elaborate. I know that you shills think that the claims themselves are eye-catching enough that you don’t need to share details about them. You hope that sick readers will latch on to the promise of a cure, and won’t notice the fact that you “forgot” to share any details of your wife’s miraculous recovery with us. And I’m sure you’ll come back with some ham-fisted justification for not sharing them. For example, you might make it out to be a matter of privacy. However we’re not asking for details that can be used to personally identify you. Or if you’re as dumb as the average Monavie shill appears to be, you might just launch right into deriding us for being “nonbelievers” or suggest that we’re “working for the “competition” in a flimsy attempt to divert people’s attention from the fact that you’re just don’t have the brainpower to make something up that sounds even semi-plausible.
We just expect that if you’re going to make the claim that Monavie got your imaginary wife off of her meds, the least you could do is be a little less vague about what the hell the stupid shit was supposed to have cured in the first place, and maybe share with us some details about the alleged ordeal.
For example:
2. Did her doctor ask her what she was doing differently that might have led to her improved health?
It seems pretty irresponsible to me that a doctor would just chalk her improved health up to “…whatever you’re doing”, and would not be at least mildly interested in knowing what exactly it was. If she indeed relied on medication to stabilize even a mild medical problem, then your doctor would be very interested in knowing what it was you were doing differently.
3. Did your wife disclose that she had stopped taking her medication to the doctor when she visited him?
You see, if her doctor was under the impression that she was still taking her medication, that might explain why he would be so nonchalant about “…whatever you’re doing”. Of course he’s going to encourage her to keep up whatever else she’s doing that might help to improve her health, but he would have stressed the importance of continuing to take her medication. Unless of course he had no reason to believe that she had discontinued it in the first place.
Can you elaborate on this a bit? Thanks man.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:45 am
you must all be american. if you dont like something dont do it! don’t try and give yourself signifigance by putting other people down, thats why people hate your country
October 7th, 2009 at 5:27 am
Wow JonJoe, how utterly irrelevant!
Our country of origin has absolutely no bearing on our assessment of Monavie as being a sham product, or its distributor’s sales tactics as being just a hair’s breadth away from pure evil.
It’s just that we don’t make it a habit to accept bullshit at face value, JonJoe. We tend to question things that don’t make sense, and in this case we’re questioning what it is about this fruit-juice that justifies its insanely high price because it doesn’t make sense. You can get nearly the same thing at the grocery store for a 10th of the price at most. It’s a sham, and I feel sorry for you if you can’t understand that, or don’t care to look a little closer at it.
October 20th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
my son was on his mission and had a problem with anxiety. mtc very demanding about putting him on meds for anxiety and THEN meds for depression, which the anxiety meds would give him. I was worse demanding that he not be put on meds or publicity and lawsuit would be coming.
I was suggested to give him mona vie as alternative med. He served mission without any meds. I did get him the very expensive one month mona vie, which he never used. I was cleaning up and saw all those packets, still unopened and thought, what the heck, let’s see what they might or might not do.
Took 3 days worth so far. Yesterday and today I noticed I had more energy and more focused then the past few weeks. However, the weather has also been cooler, so which might it be? So, using self as guinie pig I thought I’d see what others had to write. I’m trying to be objective, but wanted to add my 2 cents.
October 20th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Here’s the problem with your story Ruth:
“I was suggested to give him mona vie as alternative med.”
The person suggesting you take MonaVie is committing an illegal act. MonaVie isn’t medicine and someone shouldn’t be suggesting to you that it is medicine.
Using yourself as a guinea pig is not a valid test, it doesn’t take into account the placebo effect.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:12 am
MonaVie Scam
Someone suggesting to another person to drink a juice is not an illegal act. Atleast i would hope that telling you to drink some juice wouldn’t be. Now telling people that Mona Vie is a drug and to take it is a cure for joint pain or boosts you with energy IS illegal. However, i believe it is a fair assumption(probable proveable if you wanted to do studies) that most people in America are fat and nasty and don’t know what a good diet is unless you throw Burger King, candy, and soda in there which we can both agree is not a good diet. I know the title of this article is Mona Vie does not provide energy but there are a couple things i want to hit on also.
First you are saying
“This is a fairly hard thing to prove as I only know of one way to objectively measuring energy – calories.”
There are TONS And TONS of calories in the Dr Pepper i use to drink and the Reese’s i’d munch on. I slept all the time and was sick a lot. Funny seeing as how i was consuming all those calroies eh? Excess calories turns to fat. And for that matter how many calories are in alcohol??? SOOOO many calories and i bet you don’t get much energy from them??? No? Just a beer gut? Storing all that energy for a rain day? We all turning into camels?
Mona Vie is a spark in the wellness industry. You drink some juice exercise eat healthy and yes you will have more energy. Maybe not directly from the product but it’s an overall idea of healthy living. Spending 4-5dollars a day towards drinking some juice to make your life more healthy is better than spending 4-5dollars on a value meal at some fast food place.
I am a Pharmacy Technician in the US Navy. As part of my job i have to stay in shape and give a lot of my time to my work. I work nights so this can be slightly demanding. Coming off a 13-14hour shift and trying to get some PT in then some sleep before doing it all over again. Also during training i dislocated my shoulder and had to get surgery. Since then my shoulder has always been a source of discomfort and pain. I’ve taken motrin and tylenol when needed although it never seems to do much. I’m always on the look out for vitamins and such that help with joint pain and things of that nature. My brother joined TEAM (the group of liars and thieves of my fortune…….because i make so much in the military) and offered to let me try the juice. Being my brother of course he just gave it to me. I started drinking it with no intentions of getting anything from it…it’s a juice. However since i’ve drank it i’ve seen improvement with my range of motion and overall decrease in pain… IM NOT SAYING mona vie cured my pain because it’s not a drug and legally i can’t say that. I mean heck it’s rained a lot…. could be the natural rain that helped me shoulder… i mean we did get a new computer that could of helped me shoulder… see all this placebo crap you spit out (and yes the placebo affect can account for some things) is just like a catch all phrase so where when you can’t answer something logically you just say it’s the placebo affecty. Since i’ve tried the stuff i signed up as a customer to buy it regularly and if my brother makes a bit of money off that can i blame him?? he’s the one that introduced me to it.
Now all this mess were you bash Team and Mona Vie. Are you being paid to say all that? You can’t just be some concerned joe smoche citizen. If so you are a negative one i’d hope never in my life to meet that prob makes everything in life seem horrible. Team represents ways to better yourself by READING books and listening to insperational people that talk people up and encourage them…. wow these must be really bad people. If they tell me what a wonderful person i am and what i can accomplish i might just throw my money at them too…. bc guess what hoss this is America and people can do what they want. It’s not your money they are “taking” even though people get a product in return. So how about you lay off give it a rest…. or is the money you’re being paid worth bad mouthing people. Guess what you can’t prove that you are or are not making money by someone paying you to trash talk Team and what they stand for…. if i can’t prove that your opinion is unbiased why should i believe you?
Give it a rest and enjoy your life some other way… like women if you’re a guy… or men if you’re a woman…
November 19th, 2009 at 1:42 am
Also. TEAM is a healthy enviornment socially. Yes i have paid money and prob will pay money in the future to go to a seminar or major because the people are good atmosphere. I enjoy the company. I know people in TEAM and Mona Vie that DO make money with what they do. They had to build relations and find a community, why blame them for making honest money and i do say honest. Because the money they make are from repeat buyers (community of loyal buyers who like the product and decided for themselves that they like what they are giving money for) or people that like the idea of relations marketing. People contact not working in a cubicle. I have no objection whatsoever that my brother makes money because i buy mona vie. I’ve even read a couple of the books he has on personalities and making friends. Helped me better understand my wife. If the ideas and principles of Team can help you in other areas of your life besides economically how is that bad? HOW? Do you not want to be a better person? Uplifting to others? Respected? Liked? Understanding? Good principles? Heck even make a little money by helping Mona Vie spread around their product? If you are a selfish hateful ignorant and mean person and LIKE being that way then you are absolutely right. You should stay away from good people and the things they represent. If you think good people are wrong for wanting to uplift and help other people then i say you got something missing in your life. Nobody can openly say those kind of ideas are wrong and if they are it’s not conviction you’re standing on that the company is wrong… you’re just being paid to say that. Which is all fine and dandy. It doesn’t matter. You can live your life and everyone else live theirs. Everyone else can be financially stable happy and endearing to others and you can just… well be whatever it is you want to be… but i guess nobody explained to you that the business and money is not what you are really buying into with Team. The content is mona vie but companies come and go everyday. The commerce or compensation plan they have is nice too. But the community… the people understanding ideas principles encouragement… that’s what people buy into because who would NOT want to be around that????
November 19th, 2009 at 2:41 am
I’ve never said that suggesting another person drink a juice is an illegal act… I said that they can’t make medical claims that aren’t approved by FDA… hence illegal.
I don’t think you can find studies that prove that most people in American are “nasty.” Perhaps you could find something about obesity. The serving size of most juices (and I think I can prove it if you want) is 8 ounces – those 8oz. of MonaVie has 240 calories – almost all from sugar – which is up there with Burger King, candy, and soda. In fact diet soda has less sugar and calories.
You are missing the point here… MonaVie says that calories are necessary for energy. If you have a problem with that, talk with MonaVie – I provided the evidence and the sources. Don’t give me counter-arguements, look to sue them for misleading advertisement.
My wife is a Pharmacist with the Public Health Service (PHS). She’s has a Commander rank and had her colleague, a nutritionist with a Captain rank look at MonaVie and confirm her suspicions that MonaVie is less nutritious than buying regular fruit — and we know that is cheaper.. For what it’s worth Commander rank and Captain ranks take double digit years of dedication to achive. To get to Captain it takes around 20 years.
Does this sound a lot like MonaVie vs. Aspirin/Tylenol? I think so…
A multivitamin and glucosamine is very cheap… a pharmacy technician should know that.
Ummm, any Pharmacy Technician for the military should recognize the extensive evidence of the placebo effect. It’s not like I made this up to screw MonaVie – I heard about it in the 8th grade – 15 years ago.
Technically, I am getting paid by advertising on this site. However, I receive no money outside of Google (via their AdSense program) who I think we can agree is not in the juice business. Why can’t I be a Joe Smoche citizen – I mean spending $1500 a year for juice is an extraordinary amount by any standard. It’s not negative to educate people that spending $5000 a year for a family of four to buy juice that Men’s Journal Proves to Lack Nutrition.
I think we can all agree it’s not negative to be anti-MonaVie. It’s like saying someone is negative for selling $50,000 Yugos…
As long as they aren’t charging $300 for a ticket to hear people to talk – or charging a lot of money for “tools” that aren’t helpful in selling a product that has little nutrition as established previously.
What do I have to gain by giving logical information as to why MonaVie is a scam – and again – lacks nutrition. I’m not selling any product here – so where is my bias. You are obviously looking to sell MonaVie and hence you are the one who is 100% biased
November 19th, 2009 at 2:52 am
Just to get back to Paul Jeffery commentary above… As long as TEAM isn’t about selling motivation tools and about spreading the false nutritional facts about of MonaVie, I’m fine with it — but I haven’t seen that.
I don’t believe that TEAM is selling useful information to sell a useful product… it seems like they are more about motivation… which isn’t about MonaVie. Let me know if I’m mistaking here.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:56 am
I should add that some MonaVie proponents say that you should consider it to have no nutrition and focus on it’s business. – See this post
November 19th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Hi,
When I first wrote I mentioned how I thought Monavie was a good product for me. You thought I was a rep, I was not and that was the only thing that kinda got me annoyed.
However, you suggested several things to try. One was a juice drink made of Acai berries at Trader Joes. I checked with my local ones and they said they no longer carry it. You also mentioned grape juice.
I am delighted to tell you that 99cents store carries tiny, junior size 100% grape juice that is the same size as the monavie packets, though the packaging is considerably different.
6 grape juice for 99cents to stash in the car or carry 1 in my backpack is much easier on my budget than Monavie and gosh darn, you are right, it does the same thing. It raises my blood sugar and provides extra calories from a fruit with vitamin C.
Thank you for this site and your time involved. Sorry about not leaving a name but I just plain don’t like to do that.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Hey, glad I could help. Sorry about assuming you were rep, it’s just that 99.9% of the time that is the case.
If that store stops selling the junior size grape juice, you can probably buy some small bottles that people use for travel and fill those from a bulk grape juice bottle. After the initial cost of the bottles (which are often quite handy to have around anyway), buying in bulk can be a good way to save even more money.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
I heard about Mona Vie from a friend. The first thing I thought about was the juice must be pasteurized if it’s from brazil. I’m very into nutrition and raw foods. I think the acai berry is great, the thick red compounds in it resemble our body’s blood, and since “we are what we eat” I would like to fill my blood with antioxidants and vitamins. But I wish I could get the Mona Vie juice fresh and not flash pasteurized.
My question to you is:
Is pasteurization good or bad? Have you studied it at all? I think they freeze dry it. And there is too much to read about on the internet, but you said your wife is a pharmacist and knows a thing or two…I trust her opinion more than articles.
On a side note…
Mona Vie has been teaching me some really great business moves. I’m 21, trying to start my website company…and everyone has been really great, willing to give me advise when I need it. Kinda like free business class at college. Idk, I think I’m going to give it a try…the juice is too yummy to stop drinking.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
I think that is more of a question for a nutritionist than a pharmacist. I drink pasteurized milk and I think that’s all that is at my store, so I think it’s fine for you.
There are thick red compounds in strawberries, cherries, raspberries, etc. If you like the purple from the blue add some blueberries. It will still be cheaper than acai. Color isn’t everything.
MonaVie does teach some good business moves. When you price a product at 10x your competitors, you kind of have to. Just please make sure they aren’t lies (as we here from distributors) and half truths (talking about acai like it’s equivalent to MonaVie).
November 28th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Superfoods: garlic, onion, cayenne, turmeric, real apple cider vinegar, adequate protein, ample water, foods your g.grandparents ate
Superhealth: supportive friends, adequate sleep, plenty of outdoor exercise, laughing a lot, having goals, a job and a purpose.
Avoid: little variety in diet, chemical foods, addictive foods, mlm ‘foods’
I am in my 50s and finished a 19 mile hike earlier today. The people I hike with when I’m not teaching are mostly between 40 – 70. We talked a little today about MonaVie and how easy it is to be gullible about products.
I tried MonaVie because it was leftover in my house but wasn’t until I found this site that I realized my energy was more likely the change of hot to cold weather, getting adequate sleep and having so many things I needed to get done (and enjoyed!) that my mental outlook had a facelift.
Long hikes I’ll pack a sandwich, some fruit, and sometimes jr. size boxes of grapejuice, the same size as MonaVie’s packets except they are about 15Cents each as opposed to $35-40 or whatever the stuff costs these days.
My hiking friends laughed with me about gullibility and shared horror stories about their being taken in MLM’s seduction with similar ’superfood products’ as well.
Person who is a consumer advocate and bearer of common sense is doing a thankless job.
Hence, let me be among those appreciating your comments, and say thanks!
December 4th, 2009 at 10:09 am
yo yo. I used to have really bad period pain, almost to the point of crying. But I don’t like taking pain killers, like I said I’m into the raw and natural thing…my acupuncturist gave me some herbal dietary supplements called “Free & Easy Wanderer Plus Teapills” made by Plum Flower Brand. It was $9 for a bottle. You’re supposed to take 8 pills a day but I forgot most of the time and only took 4 (which I’m sure still helped a lot)
Then I was watching a monavie webcast (http://www.brighart.com/webcast_archive.aspx?id=111609Open_Fabros) and Fabros talked about how his wife had really bad period pains too (she did take pain killers) and after drinking monavie for a month the pain was gone.
So I think that it is only fair to let all you people know the ingredients I have put into my body in the month of november:
Free & Easy Wanderer Plus:
– Jia Wei Xiao Yao Wan contains Paeonia lactiflora root-wine fried, Poria cocos fungus, Atractylodes macrocephala rhizome, Paeonia suffruticosa, root-bark, Gardenia jasminoides fruit, Bupleurm chinese root, Angelica sinensis root, Zingiber officinale rhizome-fresh, Glycyrrhiza uralensis root, Mentha haplocalyx herb, -Jiu chao bai shao, Fu ling, Bai zhu, Mu dan pi, Zhi zi, Chai, hu, Dang gui, Sheng jiang, Gan cao, Bo he.
MonaVie active:
Acai (freeze-dried powder and acai puree); fruit juice from concentrate (white grape, nashi pear, acerola, aronia, purple grape, cranberry, passion fruit, apricot, prune, kiwi, blueberry, wolfberry (Goji), pomegranate, lychee, camu camu); fruit purees (pear, banana, bilberry); d-gulcosamine hydrochloride, esterified fatty acids, natural flavor, citric acid, sodium benzoate, potassium sorbate.
dang, I like the looks of all those awesome ingredients. Especially after researching the benefits of all of them.
Compare that to a box of 15c. grape juice.
I also have been going to the gym in the mornings with my boyfriend. We have a lot of energy these days (ok i confess, we have been drinking eMV monavies natural energy drink $2.95 a can). We have acquired friendships with some other gym-goers… one of them is a recovered cocaine addict who now is a body builder/therapist/marriage counselor. We found He drinks monavie and recommends everyone at least get theirs for free (you do that by signing up two more juice drinkers)He dosn’t even like the taste of the stuff but drinks it for the energy and glucosamine.
but some people think it’s in my head.
or it’s in our friends Jenn and Jeff who have been doin it for 9 months and make 106,000.00 /year having fun and drinking juice. (seriously, they are so laid back, not to mention a little crazy)
I guess you have to be a little bit crazy to give up the traditional working a job lifestyle. I mean, it’s what everyone has done for so long.
the juice is $4.66 / a day. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but when my boyfriend and I are making 11,000/ month and sitting on the beach drinking yummy juice and laughing with our friends talking about the lazy haters in the world, i’ll say what now biatch.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Julian,
I urge you to read the new FTC Guidelines about Distributor Testimonies. No longer can you say that you believe that MonaVie helped you with your period pain because it’s not “subject to typical results” that one would expect with a juice. The FTC can use these statements and not only go after you, but can penalize MonaVie. If you really treasure your MonaVie business, you should comply with MonaVie’s request so that they don’t get penalized or shutdown.
I don’t think I’d be happy to put “Jiu chao bai shao, Fu ling, Bai zhu, Mu dan pi, Zhi zi, Chai, hu, Dang gui, Sheng jiang, Gan cao, Bo he” in my body. I can’t even find what “hu” is… When I search Google for “hu”, no food ingredient, plant or otherwise comes up in the top 10. At least when I search for acai, I get some results back that tell me something about it.
I read all the ingredients in MonaVie and one thing comes to mind. If MonaVie says that acai is so great, why dilute with 18 other juices. MonaVie will only say that acai is the first ingredient and hence is the most abundant – which means that for all we know, it’s 6% acai and the other 94% is the rest of the 18 juices (at 5.2% each). So really all the talk about how good acai is irrelevant until MonaVie releases more information.
Let’s look at that $4.66/a day. That’s $140 a month – almost as much as some low-end car leases. It’s more than my cable, internet, Netflix, and landline phone bills combined. It’s $1700 a year / per person.
Now, let’s add in that $2.95 can of MonaVie eMV – we are up to $7.61/day. That’s $228 a month and $2,777 a year.
Julian, I looked at the website you commented with (sorry, I can’t allow people to promote their MonaVie business here, so I had to edit it out), and I noticed that your life expectancy has to be at least 60 more years – probably more considering your gym and health commitment.
I’m going to make some assumptions here, and bare with me a bit. I think it’s reasonable to make a 5% return on your money long term after taxes, inflation, and investment expenses. There’s a lot of finance research behind that number and arguments could be made for other numbers both higher and lower. For my example though, I’ll use the 5%.
If you were to take just this year’s $1700 of MonaVie and invest it at that 5% compounded for 60 years it becomes $31,754. If you take next year’s $1700 and compound it over 59 years it becomes $30,242. It compounds less, but as you can see just the $1700 that you spend on MonaVie in the next two years is going to cost you $60,000 down the line.
When we add in the cost of the eMV it’s $51,872 for just the one year!
I know you are probably going to say that at that age you probably won’t be able to spend the money. You would be right to say that. However, imagine how having that kind of money can make your life healthier. Our health care system is looking pretty bad. You might get very little money from Social Security.
Now will you be making $11,000 a month? From the MonaVie Income Disclosure Statement you would have to reach Emerald Executive which only 232 people out of 92,708 who are actively sponsoring people. This doesn’t include the huge number of people who try and fail to sponsor anyone.
Your odds are around 5 in 2000. Write a number from 1 to 2000 on a piece of paper and go to http://www.random.org/integers/ and have it give you 5 numbers of 2000. If the number you wrote on your paper doesn’t match one of the 5 it put out, you just lost. The beauty of this is that you only lose a minute of your time… not many years.
I’m not trying to sound negative about your chances for financial freedom. It’s just that I heard this exact story 10 years from people selling Amway. They ended up giving it up after 3-4 years after considerable effort and financial loss. I also speak as someone who is basically retired at the age of 33. It’s what allows me to spend my time on this website.
My greatest fear is that you will put a lot of time and effort into this and it will turn out like Larsen’s last juice company, Royal Tongan Limu Juice. If you read the Wikipedia article, it “was ordered to pay a $2 million USD settlement in a class action suit launched by the U.S. Federal Trade Commission and Department of Justice in response to misleading and illegal claims made about the purported health benefits of Royal Tongan Limu.” That put the company out of business. It left distributors without a business or an income.
Now that you’ve read about the FTC Guidelines that I mentioned earlier, and combine that with the purported health benefits of MonaVie that you spoke of in your comment, doesn’t it sound a lot like Royal Tongan Limu? I don’t want to see you work your fingers to the bone against amazing odds to get to the point where that beach is in sight only to have it pulled out from underneath you.
Don’t call me a hater, I’m only trying to help, whether you see it that way or not.
December 5th, 2009 at 10:18 am
I am not a random integer…
I’m Julianna Murphy
December 5th, 2009 at 11:27 am
I really wish you ended that with a “hear me roar”
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MonaVie is almost like being a movie star or rock star. There aren’t a lot of them. Every musician, actor and actress, has the same confidence (though they substitute their names, because they are not Julianna Murphy), but the entertainment industry can only support so many stars. There are only so many movies and radio air play slots to fill. For every Tom Hanks or Madonna, there are thousands of starving artists.
At least the entertainment industry has something that MonaVie doesn’t going for it. There’s a good chance that it will exist in 2 years where MonaVie’s future given the FTC’s latest guidelines and MonaVie distributors’ general lack of respecting them.
January 13th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
So heres my monavie story. Today I worked the closing shift at my local subway. and around 8pm this man comes in and starts boasting about some business trip……blah……blah…….blah. naturally like most humans *i hope most humans anyways* i ask him what his job is, he says he owns 4 local companies and sells this exclusive energy drinkish thing.
Well he goes on to talk about it. and i listen becuase i am really board. Its called monavie, he asks if i drink energy drinks and if so what kind. *well i havent had one in almost a year* so i tell him Rockstar. i used to drink it all the time.
He proceeds to go on abought how bad they are and stuff by now i am really board of him preaching but i am thirsty. a few minutes later he says ill be right back i got a can in my truck…… he goes and gets one for me.
well he says its a juice not an energy drink.*i didnt want to drink at first, i dont what to be drinking any energy drinks any more.* Sooo i drink it and he starts talking again asking if i like it. its good i tell him *but i wont pay 3$ a can for rasberry juice*
he goes on to tell me about the monavie active, he says it makes arthritis pain go away. after about 3 days on it……*ta f*&@ im thinking now* ok so i listen he tells me a story abought him being not abal to sit up after a car crash and drinking movavie active mad the pain slowly go away. *sounds a lot like his swelling started to go down and thus pain started to go away* ok top of that i am confused he says monavie is fda approved.
i am to nice of a person, so i listen longer thinking this guys a complete loser….for trying to sell practically snake oil. he give some papers and other crap and that income discloser statement. and we shake hands and he leaves. *i left out stuff abought hime wanting me to goto a staff meeting or somthing*
now it tastes good for sure. but i drink vitamin water once a day and its 1/2 the price so ill stick with that. but i was just wanting you to know if you didnt that they are saying monavie active is fda approved. i am still not sure if it is or not.
oh and this guys is all like if ou drink the nessacary amount of water a day and 4 oz. of monavie a day thats all you need to live. like you dont need to eat any more. i am not sure if thats something they should be telling people ethier.
im only in highschool but i have a eye for scams and this seems like a load of crap. mid you he only talked to me 20min. but still
January 20th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
Hey guys!
I want to thank the person who runs this site!
First for obviously failing in monavie, driving you build this website(waste of time) and working so hard on researching monavie. You have saved me COUNTLESS hours of research on the product. You have helped me, and monavie so much!
I became started working 2 months ago, and recently become a Bronze executive. This was a great opportunity! as long as you can secure just 100-200$ dollars a month income, which is easy, it would be dumb to stop doing monavie, as you would be throwing away money.
So, in conclusion, from the bottom of my heart, I want to thank you monavie haters for all the research you have done for me!
now get back to work you rapscallions.
January 20th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Hey Nate!
I want to thank the soulless Monavie shills who sell this shite!
First, for obviously failing at life, your desperation for a piece of the pie driving you to sell your soul (waste of humanity) and working so hard to maybe break even selling this worthless snake-oil. You have saved me countless hours of annoyance. You have helped me to avoid Monavie and its slimy salespeople so much!
I became an anti-Monavie activist several months ago, and recently took to treating you sorry excuses for human-beings like the filth you are. It’s a great opportunity to exercise my vocabulary! As long as you people keep peddling this overpriced piss-water, which you’ll do since you’re greedy assholes, it would be irresponsible of me not to take you mouth-breathing jerkwads to task every time you throw this crap at us like it’s liquid God.
So, in conclusion, from the bottom of my heart, I want you to know that I hate you and every sick and twisted thing you’ve done to humanity in the pursuit of the almighty dollar!
Now screw off, you worthless piece of sub-human excrement!
January 20th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Cyberxion basically said it well. For what it’s worth, I’ve never been involved in MonaVie. I simply look at the information available and realize that it doesn’t provide value to the consumer… or at least there’s no evidence it does.
I don’t want the consumer being lied to so people like Nate can make an extra $100 a month in income.
January 20th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
Right on, man. And it’s only a measly hundred bucks. Maybe that’s a lot in Nate’s world, but in mine, one hundred bucks isn’t enough to compel me to sell my soul. I’m just not that desperate.
Didn’t you folks do the research at your other site and find that on average, Monavie distributors have to work upwards of sixty hours to essentially make just under minimum-wage?
January 21st, 2010 at 6:02 am
wow you guys are so sad
haha, you have no idea about me and what i do besides that i do some monavie on the side. you called me scum, greedy, twisted, an asshole, and many other things.
Being a big brother (big brother/little brother) volunteer.
Volunteer at our county hospice with my family,
graduated from school with more volunteer hours than any of my peers.
My family has personally helped 4 different families over the last couple years to get back on their feet after their houses burnt down.
Giving clothes to the needy in my area.
yea im a real scum!!
and no i didnt sell my soul, I still have it
now instead of bashing you sad people (I truely feel bad for you) im going to laugh it off b/c really, i dnt care what a bunch of lazy underachievers think of me. so you couldnt make it with monavie, is that my fault? or maybe its the fact I worked 12 hour days over my school break?
also, im currently making between 300-400 a month. and its always growing
now why on earth, as someone fresh out of university, would i throw away 3-400$ a month??
you people are just plain silly!
January 21st, 2010 at 6:35 am
You are scum though, Nate.
You come here and act like an uppity little asshole because we feel that we have a responsibility to educate folks about Monavie, and you have the gumption to act like your ability to sell this overpriced snake-oil doesn’t require for you to lie to and prey on the sick and weak of will. We know that it does, Nate. Nobody spends forty bucks on fruit-juice in this economy otherwise.
You call us lazy underachievers, as if selling your soul for the benefit of the guy on the top of the MLM scheme somehow makes you a better and more business savvy than us. No Nate, we don’t believe in selling products that require us to prey on the sick and weak of will, that’s all. We’d rather do good, honest work to earn our wages. We’re not so attracted to money that we’ve lost our scruples like you, Nate.
You make claims about your income as if it’s the norm, when Monavie’s own data just doesn’t support that. If you make that much, you’re in the minority. Most folks work upwards of sixty hours a week every week for a month just to break even. Most of you shills make just under minimum wage at best. Yet you dangle income numbers that appear to increase from post to post in front of our faces as if your alleged success is the norm. More deception from the Monavie camp? Who would have thought you folks capable? You’re usually so upstanding!
So Nate, you can come in here and act like you’re hot shit. You’re not, and you’re not going to convince anyone that you are no matter how many fake charitable achievements you type up to save face. You’re shit, and you will always be perceived as such as long as you sell this snake oil for a living. So take yourself and your shitty little undeserved smug attitude and get lost.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:37 am
By the way, Nate, I’ve pointed out your attitude and the disingenuous nature of your claims to illustrate that you’re not as pure as you want us to believe that you are. You came in here and misrepresented your situation as being the norm straight off the bat, so just like every other Monavie shill, you’re not above lies and deception. That makes you scum, Nate.
January 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am
How has the world become so mean? I’ve been reading some of the blogs on here and you guys are so mean to each other. I would be ashamed if I was God, having to look at incignificant stuff like a monavie juice scam blog and watch people call eachother really hurtful things. I don’t think network marketers mean any harm. They are usually people persons who believe in what they sell. Nobody has the right to put down someone elses dream and purpose.
January 22nd, 2010 at 11:19 am
I’d like to think that God probably has better things to do than read these blogs. Also, he/she wouldn’t “have to” read them, because he/she is God.
I’m sure that network marketers do not mean any harm. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t harming people though. I could be trying to help people with their weight-lifting form, but if I’m not educated on proper form myself, I could be hurting people. It doesn’t matter if I’m a people person that believes I’m telling people proper form.
We aren’t putting down people’s dreams. We just want people to find a way to their dreams that doesn’t hurt everyone else along the way. Please don’t claim that selling juice at $45 bottle is not harmful to a vast majority of people. If you think that’s not harmful, then I’ll sell you boxes of paperclips (100 clips in a box) for $15 all day long. Let me know how many boxes it will take before you become bankrupt.
I apologize if the people here get so passionate that it comes off as being mean. Of course, it all got started from Nate posting a comment full of sarcasm and false assumptions (that I obviously failed at selling MonaVie, when I’ve never been a distributor).
When you post respectfully (as you have Julianna), I try to treat you back with respect and not be mean. When someone posts with sarcasm and false assumptions, they should be expect people to not be civilized back.
January 22nd, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Wow, somebodies a cranky little boy! Im actualy LOL’ing right now! Thanks, atleast, for the great laugh. Now let me break down your fail in simple terms so all you haters can understand.
1. FACT: I never once said “My results were typical” YOU FAIL
2. FACT: I dont sell snake oil? I have never even heard of that product. And from the sound of it I wouldnt consider selling it. i dont like snakes. I sell Monavie, get it right buster. Its hard to take your arguments seriously when you cant even get the simple facts straight.
3. FACT: you haters speak in absolutist terms. The world is not black and white. It is grey.
Yes, on the income disclosure statement it does show a large number of people not making to much money. But, IF you actually took the time to understand our model, not just quote it out of context, you would understand why. Because monavie lets the average person sign on as a “distributor” to get the whole sale price, there is a disproportionate amount of people not making big money. These are the people who just want to buy it for themselves. These are the people who want to sell it in their estabolishment. That income chart is decieving in that it cannot show profit made from retail. It is only the profit made from the company through volume, residual, and bonuses. A five year old is smart enough to know that a salesman that sells to his family and friends will be making less money than a salesmen selling to businesses. for the love of god I dont understand why you didnt already know this SIMPLE concept.
The FACT is, a LARGE number of those people are just people buying it for themselves.
and heres why. ANYONE making 23$ a month, means theyve sold to two families. 200 volume each. Are you really arguing that is a person serious about a career in sales? I MOCK THEE.
NOW someone who signs up 2 businesses at 1400 volume each (2 bulks orders each) that person will make 140$(volume)300$(bulk order bonus)80$(first order bonus – 1 time) totaling 520 the first month. and 440 the following months (autoship).
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(in my haste, I am not going to double check this against every standard in our compensation plan. I tried my best to give an accurate number as possible. If my math is off, please be sure to mention it, THX)
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If you cannot do that atleast 1 time a month. then you should not be in a sales job. Simple as that.
The only reason people fail is b/c they do not think on their own, and try to be innovative.
Ive disected this system, understand how it works, and I use it to help me and the people I meet with. If I truely like this product, and the person im dealing with does to. WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS?
4. Which leads me to my next point.
FACT: the only type of people who would run this site are people with mental problems and no life OR people paid by a competing company to talk trash. Im going to guess both. Who would seriously spend the money and time to do this except the two type of people I mentioned previously. shouldnt you people be out looking for a comfy deskjob since MonaVie was obviously to harsh for you.
5. Your are despicable for saying I lie about my Charity work. I was lucky, LUCKY to be born in a very well to do and educated family. If you could only see some of the people we have helped. People living in trailers, IN TOWN, raising pigs inside their trailers. Children who are in foster homes because their parents are in drug rehab or worse. Families whose houses have burned down and lost EVERYTHING. We cloth and feed them. My Mother has been the principal for our local school for almost a decade now. If you think for one second that my family hasn’t helped 100’s of children, then you are absolutely INSANE. How many people can you say you’ve honestly helped and asked for NOTHING in return? DONT EVEN TRY TO ARGUE THIS, FOOL!
So in summation, You are a completely ignorant FAILURE. Save your breath, Ive MADE THE POINT, ive copied all information i need off you site, and will not be wasting anymore time here.
I deal ONLY in FACTS, thats why I can be cocky.
January 22nd, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Also, who are the morons selling this 45$ a bottle?
I sell mine for 25
January 22nd, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Nate said,
Retort: You have to talk about “typical results” according to MonaVie and the FTC’s guidelines. If you are talking about anything other than typical results (even if it’s your own experience) you FAIL.
Retort: See Wikipedia’s definition of Snake Oil – “… the most common usage of the phrase is as a derogatory term for compounds offered as medicines that implies that they are fake, fraudulent, quackish, or ineffective. The expression is also applied metaphorically to any product with exaggerated marketing but questionable or unverifiable quality or benefit.”
Retort: The terms we use are not absolutist.
Retort: That sounds like MonaVie’s problem to fix. Let me know when they do and I’ll update my point of view on this. Keep in mind that the IDS includes people who are only fortunate enough to make regular sales. There may be others out there working a lot of hours who are simply unable to make a sale. MonaVie should simply make two classes: Distributor and Wholesale Customer if it wants to avoid this mess.
Well, I’m not a fan of watching people get scammed. If I was selling Yugos at $50,000 with a claim that it was a superior car and people had no way to prove me wrong, I would hope you’d try to educate people to save their money.
However, remember that you came to this site. WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS when I’m simply exercising my freedom to express my thoughts?
That is far from a fact and also far from the truth. I’ve been very open with why I created this site. You can read my MonaVie story here. It’s really not that complex. I have ads here, so I make money from this site. There’s 3600+ comments on my other site from people which serve as my research (a lot of that my own). Feel free to talk to Shante Schroeder of MonaVie whether Lazy Man has ever been a distributor of MonaVie. Maybe you’ll believe someone actually in MonaVie. She can also tell you that I sell no competing juice. I write about ways that people can better use their money and advertising on such websites pay a decent amount. It’s no more complex than that.
Retort: I’ll let Cyberxion speak to that, but I make no assumptions about any visitor here just like they should make no assumptions of me. Yet you made many bad assumptions. The idea of this website is not to look at the messengers, but the message itself.
It’s hard to quantify, but it may not be a stretch to say that I’ve helped one million people.
It’s interesting that of all your FACTS, you really didn’t have a good percentage of actual facts. Perhaps there’s a gap in understanding what a fact is.
January 22nd, 2010 at 2:56 pm
1. FACT – i never said my results were typical
2. FACT – I dont sell snake oil. I sell monavie
3. FACT – What do you not understand about a lot of people signing up ONLY to buy for themselves.
THEY DONT WANT TO GO AROUND SELLING. THEY ARENT LOOKING TO MAKE A MILLION DOLLARS. THEY JUST WANT TO DRINK IT.
4. Im a little bit of a computer science major. I understand the concept of ads. thank you.
Secondly, I personally know 2 people in the local area who have had great success.
one person is now off of 2 pills (were taking 8). One of those pills cost him 1600 for a month prescription.
one person can now extend his left arm an extra (roughly 60-70 degress) vertically.
these two people are OVER 60. they have a set dailey pattern. These people did not change anything other than the fact they started drinking monavie. IN THEIR MIND, they truely believe MONAVIE is the reason why they are better.
*I am not stating MONAVIE will or can cure or treat ANY illness*
and LAST dont even dare claim youve helped a million people with your monavie website.
You have done NOTHING compared to what I have. You see i was actualy out there, in person, handing a person clothes because they had NOTHING else to wear. giving up my BED, so other people could use it.
AGAIN, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?
Over and Out
January 22nd, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Okay your first two facts are the same as what you said before… so I don’t feel the need to respond to them again.
3. If “THEY DONT WANT TO GO AROUND SELLING” then don’t become a “distributor.” What’s so hard about that concept? If you want to distribute, become a distributor. If you don’t want to distribute, then don’t.
4. Awesome on your CoSci major, I have a computer science myself. I’m glad you understand that concept of advertising and why I would create a website that educates people and provides me income from ads. You claimed that I was trying to do it for some other purpose. I’m glad you see the truth now.
It’s great that you say:
*I am not stating MONAVIE will or can cure or treat ANY illness*
, after you give medical testimony that breaks Rule #1 of MonaVie’s and the FTC’s guidelines
I didn’t claim to help a million people with my MonaVie website. If you went to the link, you’d see that it was another website that I own which has over a million visitors. I have even more websites to add to those number of visitors. Your question wasn’t how many people I’ve helped with my MonaVie website, but how many people I’ve help without asking for anything in return.
There’s no way to verify what either of us have done for charity. You don’t know if I’ve donated clothing or not (I have). It doesn’t matter if you do it in person, or if you’ve done it remotely. If you give someone in need a blanket and Bill Gates donates 2 million dollars to help the people of Haiti is your charity work greater? No it is not. Your own personal sacrifice of your bed also doesn’t make it more valuable than his 2 million donation.
I can’t verify your charity claims and you can’t verify mine, so they aren’t worth discussing (we can each claim to tons of charity and we’ll never get anywhere). One thing that can be verified is that I have over 1,000 posts on Lazy Man and Money trying to educate people to use their money wisely. It’s not a website about MonaVie (less than 0.1% of the posts are MonaVie related). This has impacted one million people.
Do you still need to ask what I have done?
(By the way, great way to derail the main point in that you sell $25 juice that isn’t proven to be any better than $4 juice. It doesn’t sound like the kind of thing that a good person would do.)
January 22nd, 2010 at 4:13 pm
Listen Nate, Lazy already went over your previous posts with a fine-tooth comb, and I think he addressed your points better than I ever could. So suffice it to say that I won’t be retreading that ground. However, I do want to address why I called you a worthless squirt of horse piss that isn’t fit to lick my boots. Wait, I didn’t say that? Well I meant to, but I digress.
The reason why I hold you in disdain is because your business model requires you to lie to people. Now while I think it’s bad enough that you dupe the financially destitute into selling this crap as a means to improve their financial situation, something that Monavie’s own earnings data says just isn’t going to happen for most Monavie salespeople, what really makes me hate you with a fiery passion is that you lie to sick people in order to sell it.
See, you shills have the gumption to try and pass off MOnavie as being an amazing cure-all, when science and common-sense both say that it couldn’t possibly be one. In doing so, you callously put people’s health at risk, and moreover, you don’t seem to care that you’re doing it.
Even assuming that you’re not lying, all the cheritable actions in the world aren’t going to offset the fact that when all is said and done, your greed has you willfully putting people in harm’s way. That your average Monavie shill does so only to break even if he’s lucky just makes it all the worse to me. The money isn’t even good, and yet you folks are willing to risk other people’s health even for that small a piece of the pie.
That’s why you’re shit to me, Nate. And that you waltzed in here with a smug, condescending attitude in spite of that makes me detest you all the more. You of all people have no right to act like you’re better than anyone. You’re not. You’re just a greedy, irresponsible dipwad.
Lazy, I apologize for the tone of my posts. I just let how much I hate what these people do in the name of the almighty dollar get the best of me sometimes.
January 22nd, 2010 at 4:17 pm
By the way, if you want to see the kind of behavior that makes me sick, just look at Nate’s feigned ignorance of the term “snake-oil”. Take note of the fact that he feigned ignorance only to allow himself the opportunity to make another of his trademark snide comments. I think that says a lot about Nate’s character, and should help to make it clear why I dislike him so much. Ugh.
January 22nd, 2010 at 5:23 pm
When my son got married, he left behind some MonaVie packets because he didn’t want them. I innocently tried it and thought it was handy in my backpack on hikes. I got to this website and the MonaVieScam guy suggested grape juice does this same thing. I have an open mind so I tried it. He was right, cheap grape juice boxes actually did a better job after 4 hours of hiking in hot weather. It’s about taking in healthy calories. I chatted this with other hikers who shared their “OMG, I got duped too!” stories with other MLM schemes, all with headquarters in Utah.
In this cold weather I’ve found a $2 tea or other drink at a popular national coffee shop also makes a profit, though not as great as MLM companies. When I pay that amount I can also get 2 hours wifi when away from home and sometimes good conversation. Some of those visiting this website may benefit from visiting such a place to improve their social skills. Especially those trying to convince themselves they are making a fortune in sales of this product.
January 22nd, 2010 at 8:51 pm
some things are just facts though:
Fruit juice you buy at the store is the sugary part of the fruit. You can tell by looking at it.
I bought some freeze-dried acai powder and mixed it with water. It had little tiny pieces of the seed and skin in it, especially at the bottom. I also drank some monavie and found the same little tiny fruit bits in it.
It’s not as tasty as fruit juice from concentrate, but that’s because it has a lot of the bitter seed and skin in it, where all the nutrients are.
So, idk, use basic logic and decide for yourself. But try it first before making general assumptions…
January 22nd, 2010 at 10:40 pm
Facts? Acai looks like muddy prune juice and smells awful so most people mix it with other juice to make it palatable.
Fruit juice that is clear has gone through a miracle appliance called ‘a strainer’ and sometimes ‘cheesecloth’.
I can tell what is in a juice by reading labels.
If you want to go crazy with natural juice, just pack the produce and eat it like that rather than juice it.
This IS facts, sweetheart.
January 23rd, 2010 at 1:43 am
It’s certified organic by USDA
http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/
So the 19 fruits are certified organic. It dosn’t have prune juice. But it has other really healthy fruits. There’s just more than 2 kinds of fruit in each one like concentrate. I think it’s healthier and I’ve grown up eating both crappy and organic, raw foods. the difference in the way I look and feel is astronomical.
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:24 am
Julianna said
Calorie-wise almost all fruit is sugar in the form of carbohydrates. There aren’t more surgary parts of fruits than others. If you compare the labels of something like V8 Fusion and MonaVie, they have ounce for ounce very close to the same amount of sugar.
Julianna said
That link that you mentioned does not show anything about MonaVie being organic. Instead MonaVie product specialists openly admit that MonaVie IS NOT certified organic. See this post for their exact statement.
January 26th, 2010 at 7:39 am
Ugh…and still we are hearing distributors violating their MonaVie contracts and FTC guidelines, namely Nate, and spreading falsehoods about MonaVie juice, JuliannaMurphy.com.
MonaVie is not certified organic, Lazy Man showed you the proof, and yet you post a link that is totally irrelevant.
Nate…your condescending, hateful, bitter, foul tone makes me wonder how charitable you really are capable of being. There is no evidence of your charitable heart here. And as had been displayed numerous times here by other MonaVie distributors, you bring no facts to the table, and you refuse to concede when you are obviously wrong. The things you list as “fact” simply add up to your blind assumptions. You also show the typical behavior of attacking when you cannot debate. A side note: perhaps you could learn how to use spell check….or not, it is rather entertaining.
MonaVie LLC probably loves distributors like you, because you will blindly follow, inanely repeat drivel you’ve been told, and try to besmear anyone who shows you evidence that you are in error. Fascinating the caliber of people MonaVie attracts.
You’re a walking, talking, typing, living, breathing example of why a person should NOT be involved with MonaVie. Thanks for that!
January 30th, 2010 at 10:22 am
Not sure why the calorie argument is being used for energy output in this discussion but I drink 10 calaories per bottle re**ull energy drink and it gives me so much energy it’s sometimes scary.
So don’t equate calories ingested with energy output in ones body.
January 30th, 2010 at 11:15 am
I couldn’t have said it better myself. Thank you so much for taking the time to set some of these people free of the truth. I strive for the truth in my onw life and find a battle of wondering people. Thanks be to you.
Science is everything. But, it would be nothing without the creator.
January 30th, 2010 at 11:41 am
JJ, did you read the article? MonaVie says that energy comes from calories in their marketing. I even put it in bold so that it wouldn’t be missed.
Scientifically, a calorie is a unit of energy. So I’m not saying that MonaVie is lying in this marketing. What I’m saying is that MonaVie (and it’s distributors) can’t argue the same fact both ways:
Specifically they can’t say that MonaVie Active provides a person with energy when is has very few calories… and then turn around and say that other drinks do not provide energy because they have very few calories.
It’s about MonaVie picking one kind of marketing and sticking to it rather than trying to argue two contradictory ideas are true.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:57 pm
quote
“You are scum though, Nate.
You come here and act like an uppity little asshole because we feel that we have a responsibility to educate folks about Monavie, and you have the gumption to act like your ability to sell this overpriced snake-oil doesn’t require for you to lie to and prey on the sick and weak of will. We know that it does, Nate. Nobody spends forty bucks on fruit-juice in this economy otherwise.
You call us lazy underachievers, as if selling your soul for the benefit of the guy on the top of the MLM scheme somehow makes you a better and more business savvy than us. No Nate, we don’t believe in selling products that require us to prey on the sick and weak of will, that’s all. We’d rather do good, honest work to earn our wages. We’re not so attracted to money that we’ve lost our scruples like you, Nate.
You make claims about your income as if it’s the norm, when Monavie’s own data just doesn’t support that. If you make that much, you’re in the minority. Most folks work upwards of sixty hours a week every week for a month just to break even. Most of you shills make just under minimum wage at best. Yet you dangle income numbers that appear to increase from post to post in front of our faces as if your alleged success is the norm. More deception from the Monavie camp? Who would have thought you folks capable? You’re usually so upstanding!
So Nate, you can come in here and act like you’re hot shit. You’re not, and you’re not going to convince anyone that you are no matter how many fake charitable achievements you type up to save face. You’re shit, and you will always be perceived as such as long as you sell this snake oil for a living. So take yourself and your shitty little undeserved smug attitude and get lost.”
in reply to candace,, and im the one who started slinging mud? you’re all retarded losers. lol suckaaaaaaaas
February 1st, 2010 at 7:17 pm
Like I said, if you folks didn’t prey on sick people in order to make your pathetically small piece of the pie, I wouldn’t hate you so much. But you do, and yet you have the gumption to stand before the rest of us and act like you’re doing what you do for altruistic reasons. Please.
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:36 am
@ Nate,
You said:
Wow….that’s so….intelligent, literate, mature, professional, relevant, and just over all impressive.
Fortunately, your comments stand as testament to the type of distributor/person you are. Thanks!
April 12th, 2010 at 1:05 am
for god sake ! let me tell you one thing, yes to the owner of this dirty blog. Nothing you proof here is gonna change anything in fact you are just causing more unrelated problems to yourself. Im not a monavie distributor but somehow i feel you are offensive and screwing people up is basically screwing you , yourself. You know why wars happen? because idiots like you causes it, wake up from your dream moron!
April 12th, 2010 at 5:12 am
Andrew, besides being nearly illegible, that’s the most nonsensical load of bullcrap I’ve read in awhile.
Listen, why don’t you take a breather and rejoin us once you’re capable of understanding what’s actually going on here? While you’re gone, why don’t you work on being less of a hypocrite. And if you find it in yourself to come clean about your status as a Monavie distributor, that would be great too.
April 12th, 2010 at 8:54 am
I think Cyberxion said it well… especially considering that you didn’t make valid objective point and instead just gave us your opinion without the reason why you’ve formed such an option.
June 30th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
hi there, I am no way and never will be involved in Monavie, because it just not for me. But you guys do seem like haters to me. I do think Nate does seem a little immature though.
But why do you guys have to be so hateful in your post to Nate and other Monavie people? I think it could possibly a scam like Amway and other MLM’s out there but I don’t hate on people like this. To me it’s just not right but do as you will!
June 30th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
I’m not very polite to people who openly lie to others to scam them out of their money. I don’t see the problem with hating on people who effectively rob other people. If someone steals your mother’s purse are you going to take them out for a beer? No, you are going to hate on them.
June 30th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
That’s fine if you want to, I said do as you will!
You might be right about my mother’s purse thing but I will eventually forgive the person.
I just think there are other ways to do this is like stating the facts as you do but name calling stuff just make you look bad. Don’t stoop as low as they do.
Just give the facts and let people make there choice from that.
June 30th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
He does that. I, however, am not affiliated with the site in any way whatsoever, so I’ll say what I please, thanks.
Like MonavieScam says, these people basically rob people for all intents and purposes, and they do so knowingly and willingly. Moreover, these people’s lies could end up doing their victims real physical harm, and that makes them lower than dirt as far as I’m concerned.
Call it uncouth if you will, but I’m not about to temper my tone when addressing these lying thieves. They deserve all the venom they get and more. If anything, you should be happy that things have remained as civil as they have between us and the Monavie cultists.
July 1st, 2010 at 4:37 am
I just think it’s not good for you to have all this hate in you is all. But like I said do as you please.
Please don’t get pissed at me, I am not in any way mad at you. I just think it’s better to be more positive.
But if you want to act this way, it’s your choice. Go ahead and do it, more power to ya!
I really do hope you help some people but your attitude might not is all I am saying.
Thanks for letting me state my opinion and posting on here, I hope you get your anger issues resolved.
July 1st, 2010 at 4:44 am
Cyberxion… I agree with you that many knowingly defraud their downline, but there is also a large percentage of gullible defrauded people as well. I understand it is difficult to comprehend so many as so niave but I believe that is part of the cult aspect of Mona vie. Being indoctrinated to believe in the woo, to believe in the the millioniare mindset, and to just plain believe. It is my opinion that mona vie borders on a motivational cult using positive thinking, religion and family values to manipulate the uncritical masses. It is a very sad shame.
July 1st, 2010 at 5:35 am
Joe, I’ll work on my “anger management issues” as soon as you make an effort to stop being a pompous, self-righteous twit.
For you see Joe, our indignation is fully justified whether or not you choose to accept it. You, however, seem to be the sort of person who gets a kick out of telling other people how they should behave, as evinced by the fact that you continue to insist that we’ve got anger issues even after having the context behind our ire explained to you rather clearly. You’re a tool, Joe.
So frankly, you can take your judgment of us and cram it, my friend. And don’t let that bother you, it’s just my opinion after all.
July 1st, 2010 at 6:00 am
Yes Cyberxion it is your opinion, and I am glad we are able to express them.
Keep on doing what your doing. Not trying to stop you. Just stating my opinion here.
I am not trying to be self-righteous but you can think so if you want too. Just trying to help really.
And I am not a tool, lol!
Hopefully all goes well with you and your life.
July 1st, 2010 at 7:27 am
Listen Joe, you came in here nearly two months after the last post, and while completely ignorant of the context behind our exchanges with these people, called us haters. You said that we have anger management issues because you’re incapable of understanding why we might address Monavie distributors the way that we do. You told us that we should stick solely to the facts in our responses, when not only is that not yours to dictate to us, but if you weren’t just here to assert your sense of moral superiority over the rest of us, you’d have noted that the facts about Monavie and its distributors are indeed covered in the articles themselves. We don’t need to retread the facts just because Monavie’s sales force constantly ignores them. You continued to dictate to us how we should conduct ourselves even after having it explained to you why we approach these scammers the way that we do. You weren’t content to just share your opinion and then leave it at that. Even now you continue to wave your self-righteous finger in our faces, and do so for no other reason than that we don’t conduct ourselves in a manner befitting your own sensibilities. You are the very embodiment of an out-of-control superiority complex.
We may not handle Monavie’s distributors with kid gloves, but there is a reason for it whether or not you agree with it from atop your moral high-horse. You, however, seem to have been motivated to post simply because you get off on acting as if someone died and made you the chief of the morals police. You would have to be incredibly self-involved for your first inclination upon finding this site to be to take us to task for the way we talk to distributors, instead of educating yourself via the many articles posted here about why we feel the way that we do about them.
Joe, I don’t wish you any ill will, but I think you need to pack it up and move on. Your opinions are duly noted, but I don’t know you from a pimple on my ass, so if you’re expecting me to defer to your advice you’re only going to end up disappointed. As long as they use egregious lies to help them sell their wares, I will continue to address Monavie’s sales force as the scum of the Earth that they are, and I will trust that the rest of this site’s readers will be intelligent enough to read the articles and inform themselves instead of getting hung up on something so trivial like you did. I simply don’t care what you have to say one way or the other, and if it appears that I do, it’s because you have yet to accept that even after having it told to you a few times now. Please don’t make me repeat myself again, Joe.
There are plenty of causes more deserving of your attention than this one, kiddo. Go find one of those to harp on.
July 1st, 2010 at 7:34 am
I’m going to start deleting anything further said about how people are acting on this site. It’s not on the topic.
Jim makes a good point, and I hope it doesn’t get lost here. A lot of people are glamoured (to borrow a word from True Blood) by MonaVie. These are probably very good people and they probably truly believe they are doing the right thing. I wrote about that in the past here: http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/my-friend-is-brainwashed-by-get-rich-quick-schemes-help/.
I think these people need to want help themselves… I provide a lot of the information here that should “unglamour” those who are looking for help. That, and trying to inform people before they get involved is the best I can do.
July 1st, 2010 at 11:22 am
Cyberxion, if you don’t care what i have to say then why do you keep posting stuff answering me back when my main post was to MonaVie Scam not to you! thanks and this will be my last post. I really hope all goes well to you Cyberxion!
July 1st, 2010 at 12:55 pm
I know that our posts will be deleted, but being that you’re obviously subscribing to new posts just the same as I am, I know that you’ll see this even if it gets cut.
Here’s the thing Joe, if you were talking to MonavieScam–which you obviously were not being that he’s an individual and the phrasing in your post indicated that you were addressing multiple people–then that makes you an even bigger asshole than you were when it seemed like you were speaking generally. Compared to the rest of us, he’s Mother Teresa in the way he addresses Monavie’s sales-scum. It would be a grevious misdirection of your holier-than-thou bullcrap if he were truly its lone target.
Also, I never did think that you were speaking to me specifically. In fact I didn’t care whether or not you had even included me as one of “you guys” in your post. I merely explained to you why I in particular am not going to change the way I speak to Monavie distributors, so as to help you understand why your critique was nothing more than ignorant, self-righteous nonsense.
I don’t care about anything you have to say, insofar as I’m not going to change just because some self-important troll drops by and waves his finger in your face. Like I said in my last post, if it looks like I care about what you say at all, it’s because you’ve forced me to explain this all to you a few times over. We can’t keep you from coming here, and we can’t keep you from derailing the conversation with your self-important finger-wagging while you’re here. All that we can do is keep telling you as many times as it takes why we choose to conduct ourselves in the manner we do, and hope that eventually it sinks in.
Lastly, even if you hadn’t used all-encompassing language in your critique, you included me in the discussion the moment you chose to respond to me directly. If your critique didn’t include my posts, then you could have just ignored me, or at the very least could have clarified who it was that said critique regarded, but you chose to engage me instead. That’s your mistake kiddo, not mine. And besides, why would you question MonavieScam about our behavior in the first place? He has no control over it. Nah, you’re just trotting out the same lame bullcrap that internet trolls tend to fall back on when they’ve dug themselves in too deep and can’t think of a way out.
As an aside, you do know that in repeating the mantra “I hope everything goes well for you” even as you’re acting like an unbearable twit, you come off as being very creepy, right? You’re switching gears from being a complete douche-nozzle one moment, to wishing me well the next, and while I very well may have an anger-management problem depending on how you choose to view what I’ve said here, you seem like you’ve got a severe psychosis that you might want to have managed before you snap and kill somebody. That’s just really, really eerie. Stop it. I’d rather you just say what’s really on your mind than keep pretending like you give a crap.
July 18th, 2010 at 11:33 am
I do know that most degenerative diseases can be helped with proper nutrition that is hard to find these days. We need fresh organic fruits and vegetables. So I was excited when someone shared “all that” (Supposedly) packet in one bottle, 4 oz per day. BUT….The thing that stopped me in my tracks after signing up, buying a few cases and holding a couple meetings was: the fact that I could not get an accurate nutritional ingredient amount to compare with anything. I did a lot of research on acai berry and tried to find out how much was in the MonaVie product. But you can’t find it (Their trade secret, right?) And then there is this supposedly patented process (That no one else has) to get the berries here – like frozen in time. OK, here is the deal. The minute you pluck any fruit or vegetable from the plant or vine, a process begins taking place. It is never as good as that very moment. Next you puree it, another deteriorating process, it is never that nutritional as drinking it at that very moment. Even after two to 4 hours it looses nutritional value. So next, you store it in a bottle, in cases, on trucks and in warehouses…for HOW LONG? What is really in that bottle? I think it is something that is an ok product, but WAY…WAY…over priced!!! My suggestion, buy fresh organic whole fruits and vegetables and juice them and drink them immediately on a daily basis and see how you feel then. You can repair a lot in the body when you give it the proper building blocks. You’ll be surprised how good you feel and how little it will cost you compared to MonaVie.