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		<title>By: Anonymous Aussie</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-distributor-your-job-is-a-pyramid-too/comment-page-2/#comment-41534</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Aussie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 05:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hardly surprising, CGC - as we know, thinking on any level beyond the information they provide isn&#039;t encouraged, it&#039;s detrimental to the success of the scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hardly surprising, CGC &#8211; as we know, thinking on any level beyond the information they provide isn&#8217;t encouraged, it&#8217;s detrimental to the success of the scam.</p>
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		<title>By: CGC</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-distributor-your-job-is-a-pyramid-too/comment-page-2/#comment-41325</link>
		<dc:creator>CGC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Believe it or not, r3global did not show my &quot;negative&quot; comment. If they thought that cute little video was making a valid point, wouldn&#039;t they welcome a challenge they could smack down with their brilliant logic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe it or not, r3global did not show my &#8220;negative&#8221; comment. If they thought that cute little video was making a valid point, wouldn&#8217;t they welcome a challenge they could smack down with their brilliant logic?</p>
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		<title>By: CGC</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-distributor-your-job-is-a-pyramid-too/comment-page-2/#comment-40866</link>
		<dc:creator>CGC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 06:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted a comment on that r3global site. What are the odds that it will see the light of day?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted a comment on that r3global site. What are the odds that it will see the light of day?</p>
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		<title>By: MonaVie Scam</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-distributor-your-job-is-a-pyramid-too/comment-page-2/#comment-40821</link>
		<dc:creator>MonaVie Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is re-run of the YouTube thing here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZiw15VgWoI.  I&#039;ve seen it a lot on my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/lifevantage-protandim-scam/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Protandim Scam&lt;/a&gt; post.  They probably didn&#039;t want to include the YouTube version in because Pat Petrini is from Xango.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is re-run of the YouTube thing here: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZiw15VgWoI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZiw15VgWoI</a>.  I&#8217;ve seen it a lot on my <a href="http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/lifevantage-protandim-scam/" rel="nofollow">Protandim Scam</a> post.  They probably didn&#8217;t want to include the YouTube version in because Pat Petrini is from Xango.</p>
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		<title>By: CGC</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-distributor-your-job-is-a-pyramid-too/comment-page-2/#comment-40798</link>
		<dc:creator>CGC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim - nice link. That animated bear-thing guy really destroyed that pathetic straw man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8211; nice link. That animated bear-thing guy really destroyed that pathetic straw man!</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-distributor-your-job-is-a-pyramid-too/comment-page-2/#comment-40789</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good day ladies and gentlemen.  For your viewing pleasure I present to you &quot;pyramid scheme animation&quot; from the website of R3Global.

http://www.r3global.com/blog/2011/01/26/pyramid-scheme-animation/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good day ladies and gentlemen.  For your viewing pleasure I present to you &#8220;pyramid scheme animation&#8221; from the website of R3Global.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.r3global.com/blog/2011/01/26/pyramid-scheme-animation/" rel="nofollow">http://www.r3global.com/blog/2011/01/26/pyramid-scheme-animation/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Aussie</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-distributor-your-job-is-a-pyramid-too/comment-page-2/#comment-35586</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Aussie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, do you recognise the fact that Monavie is in fact a pyramid scheme - is that the point of your post?

What eludes you is the fact that pyramid schemes are a form of FRAUD. They&#039;re entirely unsustainable - the &quot;revenue&quot; is merely an internal transfer of money from later participants to earlier ones. One&#039;s ability to succeed in such schemes depends on the ability to recruit other participants - a factor which will always result in greater than 99% of the participants at the bottom who will lose, noting that the recruitment process simply can&#039;t go on forever. As already pointed out, pyramid schemes are illegal.

The geometric shape of a pyramid, a corporational structure - none of these things has anything to do with a pyramid scheme and the fundamental flaws of same. It doesn&#039;t take a genius mind to figure this out...

Monavie Scam - is this our resident genius, Tom (you know, the one who spelt pyramid as &quot;P-Y-R-A-M-I-D-E&quot;)???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, do you recognise the fact that Monavie is in fact a pyramid scheme &#8211; is that the point of your post?</p>
<p>What eludes you is the fact that pyramid schemes are a form of FRAUD. They&#8217;re entirely unsustainable &#8211; the &#8220;revenue&#8221; is merely an internal transfer of money from later participants to earlier ones. One&#8217;s ability to succeed in such schemes depends on the ability to recruit other participants &#8211; a factor which will always result in greater than 99% of the participants at the bottom who will lose, noting that the recruitment process simply can&#8217;t go on forever. As already pointed out, pyramid schemes are illegal.</p>
<p>The geometric shape of a pyramid, a corporational structure &#8211; none of these things has anything to do with a pyramid scheme and the fundamental flaws of same. It doesn&#8217;t take a genius mind to figure this out&#8230;</p>
<p>Monavie Scam &#8211; is this our resident genius, Tom (you know, the one who spelt pyramid as &#8220;P-Y-R-A-M-I-D-E&#8221;)???</p>
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		<title>By: CGC</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-distributor-your-job-is-a-pyramid-too/comment-page-2/#comment-35415</link>
		<dc:creator>CGC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom -- In that article you posted an excerpt from, there is also the following quote:

 &quot;The Best Investment I Ever Made&quot; - Warren Buffet (of Network Marketing)

Now as the author has included absolutely no sources for any of what she wrote (what a surprise), I tried to verify that quote. I was only able to find references to it on other pro-MLM sites (what a surprise). 

Can you source it, or can we assume it is just another MLM myth unquestionably parroted down the line to eternity? Hmmm, come to think of it, a parrot would make a good MonaVie sales rep: &quot;Squawk! Equals 13 fruits! Squawk! Your job is a pyramid!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom &#8212; In that article you posted an excerpt from, there is also the following quote:</p>
<p> &#8220;The Best Investment I Ever Made&#8221; &#8211; Warren Buffet (of Network Marketing)</p>
<p>Now as the author has included absolutely no sources for any of what she wrote (what a surprise), I tried to verify that quote. I was only able to find references to it on other pro-MLM sites (what a surprise). </p>
<p>Can you source it, or can we assume it is just another MLM myth unquestionably parroted down the line to eternity? Hmmm, come to think of it, a parrot would make a good MonaVie sales rep: &#8220;Squawk! Equals 13 fruits! Squawk! Your job is a pyramid!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mackwiz</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-distributor-your-job-is-a-pyramid-too/comment-page-2/#comment-35412</link>
		<dc:creator>Mackwiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

The sales force in a traditional company does not pay to be in the sales force.  The customers give the profits, and the whole reason for the business becomes making money through customers.  This is what could be called COMMON SENSE, unlike a pyramid scheme where there are no real customers, you know, like MonaVie.  You don&#039;t pay your traditional job 200 bucks so that your CEO can make a commission because he is at the &quot;top&quot;.  Until MonaVie has real customers, non-distributor customers and the juice sells in a non Jehovah&#039;s Witness-like way, I won&#039;t be conveinced it is like any other job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>The sales force in a traditional company does not pay to be in the sales force.  The customers give the profits, and the whole reason for the business becomes making money through customers.  This is what could be called COMMON SENSE, unlike a pyramid scheme where there are no real customers, you know, like MonaVie.  You don&#8217;t pay your traditional job 200 bucks so that your CEO can make a commission because he is at the &#8220;top&#8221;.  Until MonaVie has real customers, non-distributor customers and the juice sells in a non Jehovah&#8217;s Witness-like way, I won&#8217;t be conveinced it is like any other job.</p>
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		<title>By: CGC</title>
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		<dc:creator>CGC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, the author of that article (Crystal Herbelin) is playing a game of semantic deception, for a pyramid and a pyramid scheme are two distinct things with their own definitions. The fact that a typical corporate structure may have the shape of a pyramid no more makes it a pyramid scheme than the Eiffel Tower, because it is shaped like a tower, is also an &quot;ivory tower&quot;.

Then she goes on to make some simplified generalizations that demonstrate that she has no knowledge of real world companies. Yes, the CEO almost always makes the most, but in many areas, like consulting sales, the reps can make more than the company&#039;s top executives. When this happens, the company doesn&#039;t fall apart. Also, the vice-president or someone else can take over the top position, as these structures are dynamic and there is usually opportunity for vertical movement based on performance.

The CEO usually does not &quot;hold all the control&quot;, but is constrained by company policy and boards of directors. The omnipotent corporate ruler she seems to base her example on is very rare and it is disingenuous to use it as the norm.

She is also being deceptive in the way she compares the hierarchy of a company with the levels in an MLM&#039;s sales force. In the former we are talking about completely different tasks, skills, knowledge and responsibilities, in the latter it&#039;s all the same job. MonaVie&#039;s own corporate structure, with Dallin Larsen at the top, is not a part of the distributor pyramid - and if a rep made more than him, is it likely &quot;the entire corporate model would crash&quot;?

Basically her article does nothing to defend any particular MLM from the charge of being a pyramid scheme, and in no way convinces me that MonaVie isn&#039;t a barely legal scam in which almost any new distributor is guaranteed to lose. Those at the bottom are paying the income of those at the top and the only way to succeed would be to get suckers under you to pay your income, i.e., a pyramid scheme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, the author of that article (Crystal Herbelin) is playing a game of semantic deception, for a pyramid and a pyramid scheme are two distinct things with their own definitions. The fact that a typical corporate structure may have the shape of a pyramid no more makes it a pyramid scheme than the Eiffel Tower, because it is shaped like a tower, is also an &#8220;ivory tower&#8221;.</p>
<p>Then she goes on to make some simplified generalizations that demonstrate that she has no knowledge of real world companies. Yes, the CEO almost always makes the most, but in many areas, like consulting sales, the reps can make more than the company&#8217;s top executives. When this happens, the company doesn&#8217;t fall apart. Also, the vice-president or someone else can take over the top position, as these structures are dynamic and there is usually opportunity for vertical movement based on performance.</p>
<p>The CEO usually does not &#8220;hold all the control&#8221;, but is constrained by company policy and boards of directors. The omnipotent corporate ruler she seems to base her example on is very rare and it is disingenuous to use it as the norm.</p>
<p>She is also being deceptive in the way she compares the hierarchy of a company with the levels in an MLM&#8217;s sales force. In the former we are talking about completely different tasks, skills, knowledge and responsibilities, in the latter it&#8217;s all the same job. MonaVie&#8217;s own corporate structure, with Dallin Larsen at the top, is not a part of the distributor pyramid &#8211; and if a rep made more than him, is it likely &#8220;the entire corporate model would crash&#8221;?</p>
<p>Basically her article does nothing to defend any particular MLM from the charge of being a pyramid scheme, and in no way convinces me that MonaVie isn&#8217;t a barely legal scam in which almost any new distributor is guaranteed to lose. Those at the bottom are paying the income of those at the top and the only way to succeed would be to get suckers under you to pay your income, i.e., a pyramid scheme.</p>
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