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		<title>By: MonaVie Scam</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonaVie Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 03:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, all this information is true.  They&#039;ve stacked on multiple layers of placebo effect together.  This is why I any testimonial can be easily explained.  Then you add in the people who just outright scammers and it becomes really significant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, all this information is true.  They&#8217;ve stacked on multiple layers of placebo effect together.  This is why I any testimonial can be easily explained.  Then you add in the people who just outright scammers and it becomes really significant.</p>
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		<title>By: Mackwiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mackwiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 23:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a good link about price-placebo.

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20080204181613data_trunc_sys.shtml

This is why MonaVie comes in slick looking wine bottles.  It&#039;s also over-priced, adding to the effect.  There&#039;s actually a few things going on to make a good placebo effect:

1. Price
2. Packaging
3. &quot;Belief&quot; through the constant pep talks
4. Misinformation with speakers implying MonaVie is superior to prescription meds.
5. Group think (&quot;stand up if the juice has given you health benefits&quot;, and everyone stands up with zeal)
6. Getting the person &quot;hooked&quot; through promises of great health and wealth (and more disgustingly, getting kids to drink it, so they can say &quot;if you care about your kids you will give them this&quot;)

The placebo effect is quite something.  In one study, people were injected with a medicine that induces vomiting and were told that the medicine prevents vomiting, and some participants actually felt like they didn&#039;t have to vomit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a good link about price-placebo.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20080204181613data_trunc_sys.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20080204181613data_trunc_sys.shtml</a></p>
<p>This is why MonaVie comes in slick looking wine bottles.  It&#8217;s also over-priced, adding to the effect.  There&#8217;s actually a few things going on to make a good placebo effect:</p>
<p>1. Price<br />
2. Packaging<br />
3. &#8220;Belief&#8221; through the constant pep talks<br />
4. Misinformation with speakers implying MonaVie is superior to prescription meds.<br />
5. Group think (&#8220;stand up if the juice has given you health benefits&#8221;, and everyone stands up with zeal)<br />
6. Getting the person &#8220;hooked&#8221; through promises of great health and wealth (and more disgustingly, getting kids to drink it, so they can say &#8220;if you care about your kids you will give them this&#8221;)</p>
<p>The placebo effect is quite something.  In one study, people were injected with a medicine that induces vomiting and were told that the medicine prevents vomiting, and some participants actually felt like they didn&#8217;t have to vomit.</p>
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		<title>By: MonaVie Scam</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonaVie Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my favorite quote from that:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;This tells me that when we&#039;re talking to patients and presenting therapy, the more positive we are about how the therapy is going to impact them, the better outcomes we&#039;re going to have,&quot; says Rubingh, who was not involved in the study. &quot;And from the patients&#039; point of view, this says the more positive and open-minded they are to different types of treatment, the better they&#039;re going to do.&quot;

&quot;In real life, patients&#039; expectations are also shaped by the media, the Internet, and [reports] from other patients suffering from the same disease,&quot; Bingel says. &quot;Intriguingly, even money plays a role. People expect expensive drugs to be more efficacious than cheap drugs, even if the pharmacological content is exactly the same.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s no question that MonaVie fosters a feeling of &quot;positiveness&quot; during their conventions and such.  So many distributors have commented about being open-minded that I had to post a counter article about it: http://www.juicescam.com/being-open-minded-about-monavie/.  They also mention the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/price-placebo-effect/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Price-Placebo Effect&lt;/a&gt; with MonaVie. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my favorite quote from that:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;This tells me that when we&#8217;re talking to patients and presenting therapy, the more positive we are about how the therapy is going to impact them, the better outcomes we&#8217;re going to have,&#8221; says Rubingh, who was not involved in the study. &#8220;And from the patients&#8217; point of view, this says the more positive and open-minded they are to different types of treatment, the better they&#8217;re going to do.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;In real life, patients&#8217; expectations are also shaped by the media, the Internet, and [reports] from other patients suffering from the same disease,&#8221; Bingel says. &#8220;Intriguingly, even money plays a role. People expect expensive drugs to be more efficacious than cheap drugs, even if the pharmacological content is exactly the same.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s no question that MonaVie fosters a feeling of &#8220;positiveness&#8221; during their conventions and such.  So many distributors have commented about being open-minded that I had to post a counter article about it: <a href="http://www.juicescam.com/being-open-minded-about-monavie/" rel="nofollow">http://www.juicescam.com/being-open-minded-about-monavie/</a>.  They also mention the <a href="http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/price-placebo-effect/" rel="nofollow">Price-Placebo Effect</a> with MonaVie.</p>
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		<title>By: Mackwiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mackwiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/02/16/pessimistic.pain.meds/index.html?hpt=C2

Article on the placebo effect.  Just replace &quot;pain medicine&quot; with MonaVie and Voila!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/02/16/pessimistic.pain.meds/index.html?hpt=C2" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/02/16/pessimistic.pain.meds/index.html?hpt=C2</a></p>
<p>Article on the placebo effect.  Just replace &#8220;pain medicine&#8221; with MonaVie and Voila!</p>
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		<title>By: Rasheed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rasheed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 06:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey all,

I just stumbled upon this article and I thought you guys would find it interesting.

http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/02/10/placebo-buttons/

The placebo effect is real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey all,</p>
<p>I just stumbled upon this article and I thought you guys would find it interesting.</p>
<p><a href="http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/02/10/placebo-buttons/" rel="nofollow">http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/02/10/placebo-buttons/</a></p>
<p>The placebo effect is real.</p>
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		<title>By: Vogel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 20:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stevie, you are a truly disgusting individual. You lie (and break the law) by allegeing that Monavie can treat dieases, you bring not a single fact to the table, and you fall back on really lame personal attacks on the blog host. WTF dude??? Mopeds? Trailer park? Are you serious? 

E&amp;Y&#039;s research obviously sucked since they failed to acknowledge Larsen&#039;s epic failure during his stint as chief swindler for Royal Tongan Limu. 

Once again we witness a distributor who is too obtuse to post their comment on the relevant thread. There is already a thread on E&amp;Y, so post your E&amp;Y comments there fool. JS already addressed the issues quite well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stevie, you are a truly disgusting individual. You lie (and break the law) by allegeing that Monavie can treat dieases, you bring not a single fact to the table, and you fall back on really lame personal attacks on the blog host. WTF dude??? Mopeds? Trailer park? Are you serious? </p>
<p>E&amp;Y&#8217;s research obviously sucked since they failed to acknowledge Larsen&#8217;s epic failure during his stint as chief swindler for Royal Tongan Limu. </p>
<p>Once again we witness a distributor who is too obtuse to post their comment on the relevant thread. There is already a thread on E&amp;Y, so post your E&amp;Y comments there fool. JS already addressed the issues quite well.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-and-the-placebo-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-18518</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;[Editor&#039;s Note: The following comment shows that Steve isn&#039;t smart enough to read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.juicescam.com/dallin-larsen-ernst-and-young-and-entrepreneur-of-the-year/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dallin Larsen, Ernst and Young, and Entrepreneur Of The Year&lt;/a&gt;, even though I suggested him to read it previously... All his answers are there and he is actually the liar.  I back up my information with facts and direct links to Ernst and Young and he just gives lies.  You be the judge.]&lt;/b&gt;

Hey Monavie Scam, you are so full of facts..can you direct us to the site that says Ernst and Young admitted doing zero research to elect their CEO Entrepreneur of the year...Then put a blow up MONAVIE bottle in their international headquarters congratulating Monavie&#039;s CEO...You do realize that when you lied about Ernst and Young admitting they did no research to elect their companies CEO of the year award...you basically confirmed you are scammer, liar and a fruad.  Up until that point you actually almost held your own...but you blew it...time to leave the public library, hop on your moped and buzz back to the trailer park...probably need to pump up the tires on your house anyways....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>[Editor's Note: The following comment shows that Steve isn't smart enough to read <a href="http://www.juicescam.com/dallin-larsen-ernst-and-young-and-entrepreneur-of-the-year/" rel="nofollow">Dallin Larsen, Ernst and Young, and Entrepreneur Of The Year</a>, even though I suggested him to read it previously... All his answers are there and he is actually the liar.  I back up my information with facts and direct links to Ernst and Young and he just gives lies.  You be the judge.]</b></p>
<p>Hey Monavie Scam, you are so full of facts..can you direct us to the site that says Ernst and Young admitted doing zero research to elect their CEO Entrepreneur of the year&#8230;Then put a blow up MONAVIE bottle in their international headquarters congratulating Monavie&#8217;s CEO&#8230;You do realize that when you lied about Ernst and Young admitting they did no research to elect their companies CEO of the year award&#8230;you basically confirmed you are scammer, liar and a fruad.  Up until that point you actually almost held your own&#8230;but you blew it&#8230;time to leave the public library, hop on your moped and buzz back to the trailer park&#8230;probably need to pump up the tires on your house anyways&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MonaVie Scam</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonaVie Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

It sounds like I answered those questions previously in other posts.  

Please see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-medical-testimonies-are-pointless/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MonaVie Medical Testimonies are Pointless&lt;/a&gt;  and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.juicescam.com/i-am-not-a-monavie-distributor-but/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;I am not a MonaVie distributor, but...&quot;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>It sounds like I answered those questions previously in other posts.  </p>
<p>Please see <a href="http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-medical-testimonies-are-pointless/" rel="nofollow">MonaVie Medical Testimonies are Pointless</a>  and <a href="http://www.juicescam.com/i-am-not-a-monavie-distributor-but/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;I am not a MonaVie distributor, but&#8230;&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it is a placebo, how did my bloodpressure regulate, how did my cholesterol drop 40 points, triglycerides 260 (yes thats how high they were, my arthritis evaporated..I don&#039;t make money with this produce I just love and thank god it came into my life</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is a placebo, how did my bloodpressure regulate, how did my cholesterol drop 40 points, triglycerides 260 (yes thats how high they were, my arthritis evaporated..I don&#8217;t make money with this produce I just love and thank god it came into my life</p>
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		<title>By: BobJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 03:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Before you claim that Vogel isn&#039;t educated, you really do need to read around the site a lot more â€“ maybe start with the one where Vogel completely destroyed Dr. Clayton in the previous link.

Vogel does a lot more than just pull up research, he analyzes it very thoroughly and shows he knows the science better than anyone in MonaVie. If you don&#039;t believe it, then please send someone from MonaVie here to debate any of the topics. There&#039;s a reason why MonaVie stays away from this siteâ€¦ they know it is scam.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ok so first Vogel ripped Clayton LOL......Pure opinion

&lt;b&gt;[Editor&#039;s Response: I guess the term &quot;ripped&quot; is opinion, but it is a fact that he caught Clayton telling numerous exaggerations in an attempt to mislead people.]&lt;/b&gt;

2nd THe reason Monavie stays away because they know it&#039;s a scam? LOL another terrible opinion

&lt;b&gt;[Editor&#039;s Response:  It is an opinion, but it&#039;s the only logical conclusion.  MonaVie has no other reason not to address the topics here other than the fact that they can&#039;t.  By addressing the topics here and on my other post (http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/), they&#039;d have thousands more customers.  Don&#039;t say that is opinion either because MonaVie sent me a cease and desist because I was hurting their business (http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-sends-a-second-cease-desist/).]&lt;/b&gt;

Then Vogel says to Plafon  &quot;I would F-ing destroy you, and they would need NASA to find your body parts&quot;

Wow.....Is Vogel serious? This guys is a little angry troll. My guess he&#039;s about 5&#039;4 bald and has 2 friends in the world. 

Who wants to trust anything or respect anything from someone who would say something of that nature. Vogel hides behind his little cpu and spouts his nonsense over and over.

&lt;b&gt;[Editor&#039;s Response:  Ignore the person, look at the information.  It checks out.  Stop trying to deflect the topic away from MonaVie... the topic of this website.]&lt;/b&gt;

The problem with this site that you guys find things and then speculate and try to pass them off as facts. 

&lt;b&gt;[Editor&#039;s Response:  There are a lot more facts than speculation.  There is some speculation added to the facts, but, for example, no one has ever disputed the fact that MonaVie lies about the ORAC value of MonaVie: http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-lies-about-the-orac-score-of-monavie/.  The facts are there, no speculation necessary.]&lt;/b&gt;

You guys really should go directly to Monavie with all your doubts and concerns. 

Scam,

Do that ask them about the product concerns. Try to interview them instead of hiding on this site and speculating all the time. Do some real work instead of finding things on Google and then speculating.

&lt;b&gt;[Editor&#039;s Response: We want MonaVie to address these doubts and concerns in the open, not on some private phone call or off-the-record email.  I have had conversations with MonaVie&#039;s Shante Schroeder - this is well-covered territory.  I have had offers from distributors to get a Black Diamond to address doubts and concerns.  I have gone through the work to create a list.  I submit the list and the distributors comes back and says (paraphrased), &quot;My Black Diamond friend said that these people are full of negative energy and that I should spend my time building the business.&quot;  This was a typical blow off.  In my dealings with MonaVie they have brought only half-baked legal threats (see above link) and no attempt to address any concern about the juice.

In the end, I don&#039;t see how we can come to an understanding, when I can report to MonaVie a distributor caught red-handed with a multitude of illegal activity and they allow the person to still be a distributor: see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.juicescam.com/mitch-biggs-monavie/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mitch Biggs Scams People and MonaVie Condones It&lt;/a&gt;.  Any reputable company would have said, &quot;Wow, what this guy was doing was egregious and he certainly knew better since he was one of our top people (Emerald level).  There&#039;s no excuse for this and we have no choice other than to terminate his distributorship.&quot;  Nope, they just cleaned up his mistakes like Enron with a paper shredder...]&lt;/b&gt;

Scam calling the meeting in Orlando a cult meeting. I guess Myles Monroe is a big cult motivator? LOL he is one of the more respected Motivational and Inspirational figures in America. He has wrote many successful Books. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myles_Munroe

&lt;b&gt;[Editor&#039;s Response: After reading that Wikipedia article, I stand corrected.  Wait, no I don&#039;t.  This is just a further attempt by R3Global to pair religion and MonaVie together.  This is just another brainwashing trick to keep distributors in the business longer, so R3Global, BrigHart, and MonaVie can make more money.  When was the last time Ocean Spray or Welch&#039;s had a big convention with such focus on religion?  What about Subway for their franchise owners?]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Before you claim that Vogel isn&#8217;t educated, you really do need to read around the site a lot more â€“ maybe start with the one where Vogel completely destroyed Dr. Clayton in the previous link.</p>
<p>Vogel does a lot more than just pull up research, he analyzes it very thoroughly and shows he knows the science better than anyone in MonaVie. If you don&#8217;t believe it, then please send someone from MonaVie here to debate any of the topics. There&#8217;s a reason why MonaVie stays away from this siteâ€¦ they know it is scam.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ok so first Vogel ripped Clayton LOL&#8230;&#8230;Pure opinion</p>
<p><b>[Editor's Response: I guess the term "ripped" is opinion, but it is a fact that he caught Clayton telling numerous exaggerations in an attempt to mislead people.]</b></p>
<p>2nd THe reason Monavie stays away because they know it&#8217;s a scam? LOL another terrible opinion</p>
<p><b>[Editor's Response:  It is an opinion, but it's the only logical conclusion.  MonaVie has no other reason not to address the topics here other than the fact that they can't.  By addressing the topics here and on my other post (<a href="http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/</a>), they'd have thousands more customers.  Don't say that is opinion either because MonaVie sent me a cease and desist because I was hurting their business (<a href="http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-sends-a-second-cease-desist/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-sends-a-second-cease-desist/</a>).]</b></p>
<p>Then Vogel says to Plafon  &#8220;I would F-ing destroy you, and they would need NASA to find your body parts&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow&#8230;..Is Vogel serious? This guys is a little angry troll. My guess he&#8217;s about 5&#8217;4 bald and has 2 friends in the world. </p>
<p>Who wants to trust anything or respect anything from someone who would say something of that nature. Vogel hides behind his little cpu and spouts his nonsense over and over.</p>
<p><b>[Editor's Response:  Ignore the person, look at the information.  It checks out.  Stop trying to deflect the topic away from MonaVie... the topic of this website.]</b></p>
<p>The problem with this site that you guys find things and then speculate and try to pass them off as facts. </p>
<p><b>[Editor's Response:  There are a lot more facts than speculation.  There is some speculation added to the facts, but, for example, no one has ever disputed the fact that MonaVie lies about the ORAC value of MonaVie: <a href="http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-lies-about-the-orac-score-of-monavie/" rel="nofollow">http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-lies-about-the-orac-score-of-monavie/</a>.  The facts are there, no speculation necessary.]</b></p>
<p>You guys really should go directly to Monavie with all your doubts and concerns. </p>
<p>Scam,</p>
<p>Do that ask them about the product concerns. Try to interview them instead of hiding on this site and speculating all the time. Do some real work instead of finding things on Google and then speculating.</p>
<p><b>[Editor's Response: We want MonaVie to address these doubts and concerns in the open, not on some private phone call or off-the-record email.  I have had conversations with MonaVie's Shante Schroeder - this is well-covered territory.  I have had offers from distributors to get a Black Diamond to address doubts and concerns.  I have gone through the work to create a list.  I submit the list and the distributors comes back and says (paraphrased), "My Black Diamond friend said that these people are full of negative energy and that I should spend my time building the business."  This was a typical blow off.  In my dealings with MonaVie they have brought only half-baked legal threats (see above link) and no attempt to address any concern about the juice.</p>
<p>In the end, I don't see how we can come to an understanding, when I can report to MonaVie a distributor caught red-handed with a multitude of illegal activity and they allow the person to still be a distributor: see <a href="http://www.juicescam.com/mitch-biggs-monavie/" rel="nofollow">Mitch Biggs Scams People and MonaVie Condones It</a>.  Any reputable company would have said, "Wow, what this guy was doing was egregious and he certainly knew better since he was one of our top people (Emerald level).  There's no excuse for this and we have no choice other than to terminate his distributorship."  Nope, they just cleaned up his mistakes like Enron with a paper shredder...]</b></p>
<p>Scam calling the meeting in Orlando a cult meeting. I guess Myles Monroe is a big cult motivator? LOL he is one of the more respected Motivational and Inspirational figures in America. He has wrote many successful Books. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myles_Munroe" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myles_Munroe</a></p>
<p><b>[Editor's Response: After reading that Wikipedia article, I stand corrected.  Wait, no I don't.  This is just a further attempt by R3Global to pair religion and MonaVie together.  This is just another brainwashing trick to keep distributors in the business longer, so R3Global, BrigHart, and MonaVie can make more money.  When was the last time Ocean Spray or Welch's had a big convention with such focus on religion?  What about Subway for their franchise owners?]</b></p>
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