Some more thoughts on MonaVie, Secret Formulas, and Coca-Cola. Please continue any discussion on MonaVie, proprietary formulas, and Coca-Cola there.

You asked:

“has coke given the world a copy of the “secret formula”?”

NO they haven’t. I haven’t had a coke in probably about 20 years or so, but last time I checked, coke was pretty darn inexpensive to purchase. Also, Coke pays for real marketing, they don’t sign up a bunch of uninformed distributors that run around claiming their soda will cure anything that ails you…at a huge financial cost, of course.

You also stated:

“Why monavie over the other products, it is a simple answer for me, I am not able to earn money when I recommend someone drink welchers, they don’t pay me.”

Here’s a thought: Buy the Welch’s. Put the same amount that you paid for that one bottle into a piggy bank. This probably comes close to the “profit” you make off one bottle of MonaVie, except you also saved between $25.88 and $41.88 per bottle on the purchase price. You can “make” more money by not buying MonaVie and buying a quality fruit juice available in virtually every supermarket in the US. Do that for a few months and see what fun you can have with your extra “earnings”.

Although I personally think it is best to get one’s vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, and fiber by eating and actually chewing real fruits and vegetables, or juicing fresh fruits and vegetables oneself, I do also drink bottled fruit juices, Welch’s Concord Grape juice being one of them.

So, as you requested, here is the info from the label of Welch’s Concord Grape Juice:

Serving size: 8 fluid ounces.
Calories: 160
Total Fat: 0
Sodium: 20mg
Potassium: 120mg
Total Carb: 40g
Sugars: 39g (natural fruit sugars only)
Protein: 1g

Vitamin C: 120%
Calcium: 4%
Iron: 4%
Magnesium: 8%
Zinc: 8%

Polyphenol Antioxidants: 250mg

Ingredients:
Grape juice from concentrate (filtered water, grape juice concentrate), Grape Juice, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C). No artificial flavors, No preservatives, And No colors added.

This info is verbatim (word for word) off the label of a bottle of 100% Concord Grape Juice from Welch’s.

I paid $3.12 for this 64 ounce bottle.

You do the math, and cross compare labels. And then tell me, again, what makes MonaVie worth up to $45.00 a bottle.

This is a common procedure in the juice industry when using purees and concentrates. Since there is no standard of identity for acai juice, the manufacturer can add as much, or as little water as he wants to make up a single ingredient. Orange juice has a FDA regulated standard of identity. Acai does not.

Look at it this way. There is no standard of identity for sugar water. Therefore, I can put one teaspoon of sugar in 1500 gallons of water, and can legally call it sugar water.

Now, I can add 1/2 teaspoon of various other ingredients, claiming that you need 100 gallons of water to reconstitute each ingredient.

I can still advertise sugar as my number one ingredient, since the water was “needed” to reconstitute the other ingredients.

So, don’t get too excited about acai being listed as number one.

Juice producers can be very creative. I know because I worked in a juice lab for five years.

I think Food Tech also hit it right. You know how product-based pyramid scams work right? They over-charge people a lot and then give a small percentage back to people who promote the product. So what you basically saying here is that you don’t care if you are screwing everyone else over financially as long as you get some free juice.

You refuse to acknowledge that it could have been simply the glucosamine in MonaVie Active. You might want to review the information here:

“Glucosamine may be helpful for maintaining healthy joints*.

* The United States FDA has not reviewed these statements. Glucosamine has not been shown to treat any disease.”

Note that it says maintaining not repairing joints or backs. Also note it “may.”

As MonaVie M(mun) speaker “Doctor” Clayton said on this site:

“Finally, one of the most ridiculous ’straw men’ you put up is that fruit juice can cure disease. My position on this would be that fruit juice and other fruit and plant foods very obviously play a key role in reducing the risk of most of the degenerative diseases.”

So there you go… that’s a doctor saying that MonaVie didn’t have any impact on your joint or back pain. Perhaps you’ll listen to one of MonaVie’s own.

I’m fine with Coca-Cola not giving us information of it’s ingredients. It’s a beverage that is about quenching thirst. It does that job because it’s 8-12 ounces of mostly water. I don’t know anyone that disputes this. Lastly Coca-Cola doesn’t charge 20 times more than Pepsi or other cola products.

MonaVie is not a thirst-quenching beverage. Ounce for ounce, it is about 20 times more expensive than the Welch’s grape juice here. If MonaVie expects consumers to pay a 2000% premium, they should clearly show evidence why.

What’s special about this product? Bring facts, not stories of Uncle Elmer’s gout.

Second, via a combination of data from other sites I found that in the “ingredients” section , the first item named makes up the largest % of the product. In the case of MOnavie the first item is acai (freeze-dried poweder and puree).
Some will say that the “proprietary blend” allows them to not tell you the exact mix ratio. Well, my question is this, has coke given the world a copy of the “secret formula”? They list the ingredients but not the ratio, why.. because we all would make it ourselves. Now, Mona vie is more protected than that.. you and I are not going to run out and buy up the exotic fruit on the label and pick the acai and process it in less than 48 hours to make our drink. Why, because it would cost us way toooo much money to do that.

I am ok with Monavie not telling us the exact % each fruit makes up in the blend. I am ok with just knowing what is in the blend and the label tells me that.

Do you have the label for grape juice, I don’t have any in my house to check. What is the first item on the ingredients list?

Both well stated questions, I was in a car accident in college, a serious one. I have searched for many years to find the answer to my joint & back pain. The simple fact that did not have proper nutrition played a part in the pain I have had, the body is amazing and can repair many things if given the proper nutrition. It is diffcult for me to purchase a large selection of exotic fruit at my local store, Monavie is a simple way to get this into my system and it is liquid delivery, so it get’s into my body more than a pill form does.

There are other great products out there, I encourage everyone to take a closer look at how they eat. Also, I recommend that you watch “Food Inc” & “Food matters”. these two films hit me hard and I am working to better my health.

Why monavie over the other products, it is a simple answer for me, I am not able to earn money when I recommend someone drink welchers, they don’t pay me. Just like when I recommend a good resturant to a friend or a good mechanic, they don’t pay me. I just do it nautrally becuase I recommend things I find of value. I found monavie active of value, I recommend it to friends and co workers, if they find value then they drink it. I share with them the juice and the fact that if they share the juice with a few friends then they can earn enough money to get their juice for free. If they want to earn more money then that, well.. I can show them how.

I don’t know if Monavie is the best product out there, I don’t have a lab to test nor the money to run my own test yet. I just know what it has done for me and my body. And I know that I have helped folks, I have helped a couple earn enough money to pick up the slack after he lost his job.. they are able to stay in their home becuase of the juice.

If you want to look at the product only.. so be it, but there is more to it than just a berry in a bottle.

You ignore the possibility of MonaVie having a effect similar of a placebo. That makes your main point, not relevant. It must be proven that a person doesn’t “feel” better, but actually “is” better. Anyone who has ever seen an optical illusion knows that perception and reality are two different things. I don’t see how anyone can consider possibly selling an illusion a “proper code of ethics” or “doing the right thing”, so we are simply asking that you “treat people with love and respect” and show them scientifically that they ARE better off with your juice than someone else’s cheaper juice. The scientific evidence done by Men’s Journal and an independent lab here says that you are selling an illusion at best.

The value of the business model is pretty straight-forward. It’s been shown to be a bad business model for everyone, but the first few people in it. That’s why some 85% or so barely make minimum wage. And after buying juice and tools, they are pretty much break even, just wasting a lot of time.