Is MonaVie the Fastest Company to $1 Billion Dollars in Revenue?

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Is MonaVie the Fastest Company to $1 Billion Dollars in Revenue?

I often hear claims of it being the fastest to $1 billion in revenue. True?

I’ve seen quite a few people in my previous thread comment that MonaVie is the fastest growing company in the United States. Others say that it is the fastest company to $1 billion in revenue (See here, here, here, here, here, here, and here). Clicking on any of those links will show that people are using this information as justification of MonaVie’s value.

I haven’t been able to find documentation of the $1 billion in sales. Is this independently audited or is this Monavie reporting the numbers themselves? If it’s independently audited, I’d like to see the paper work. Since Monavie is a private company, I suspect that this number isn’t audited (they aren’t required to). If the only source of this information is MonaVie and unaudited, perhaps it’s a case where they are trying to take advantage of the adage, “Nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd.” Are they trying to drive sales by pretending that sales are already made?

MonaVie gives discounts for big bulk purchases. If this $1 billion number is to be believed, does it include product that is in distributor’s hands waiting to actually be sold? MonaVie probably counts it as a sale since they’ve made their money. However, supplying distributors with product is different from selling it in the traditional model. We should note the difference, because if a product is sitting in a distributor’s warehouse, it’s what I’d call “sold.”

In another note, One MonaVie distributor suggested that I become a distributor and buy a year’s worth of MonaVie in advance to get the best price. If I buy a year’s worth, does MonaVie amortize those sales over the span of a year? I would guess not.

Another thought… YouTube was around for 18 months when it was sold for a 1.65B valuation. I know that’s not a revenue number, but if it decided to give away $1.50 worth of stock to everyone that wanted to give it $1, it could have had a billion dollars in revenue.

Originally posted 2009-03-07 10:19:54. Republished by Blog Post Promoter

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137 Responses to “Is MonaVie the Fastest Company to $1 Billion Dollars in Revenue?”
  1. team deception Says:

    Not sure where to post this but another scam has just went under and in its closing letter I noticed a very familiar trend that I think could be in the same letter that Monavie sends out in a couple of years.

    “While the company experienced strong early growth and reached profitablility quickly, revenues declined dramatically in Novemeber-December,2010 and management believes the company is no longer sustainable.”

    http://www.themlmattorney.com/eiro-research-closed-for-business/

  2. Jim Bittel Says:

    Wow. Team Deception has no idea what they’re talking about. EIRO Research another “scam”? Whatever. With nothing for me to gain since the company is now out of business, EIRO Energy is the only energy drink I’ve found (and I’ve tried dozens) that actually delivered what it promised: A balanced boost of energy that lasted several hours. Their other products were of the highest quality. Before indiscriminately bashing MLM companies, do some research.

  3. MonaVie Scam Says:

    In Team Deception’s defense, I decided to do some research on EIRO Research to see what it was since I had never heard of it. Unfortunately their website is just a page explaining that they are out business.

    About the only thing that I could find is that it is another MLM juice company. If you have a legit juice product, you don’t associate with scams like MonaVie and others that sold via MLM. If you do, you’ve lost all benefit of any doubt and get what you deserve.

  4. team deception Says:

    EIRO is such a great product it went out of business when the bottom fell out and that is what this company has delivered. While I’m not surprised I really do not care about EIRO. My point was that I am waiting for that glorious the day that this letter from the highest quality EIRO will soon have monavie on its letterhead. Jim, for the sake of not offending you since I have no reason to and since I really do not care at all about this EIRO company allow me to rephrase.

    “Not sure where to post this but another company that sells energy drinks has just went under and in its closing letter I noticed a very familiar trend that I think could be in the same letter that Monavie sends out in a couple of years.”

  5. Jim Bittel Says:

    Team Deception, thank you for your polite response. I’m not sure what I expected, but I just happened across this site, and haven’t been reading the posts very long. Interesting discussion taking place here. MonaVie Scam, it sounds like you think that anything sold via the MLM vehicle is a scam. Do I have that right, or is it just juice products that concern you?

  6. MonaVie Scam Says:

    I think any nutritional product sold via MLM has the potential for being a scam. I’m fine with Tupperware, Pampered Chef, and Mary Kay as long as their products are similarly priced to that of non-MLM equivalents like Rubbermade, Williams-Sonoma, and Revlon… or they can OBJECTIVELY prove the benefits to substantiate the price. People can objectively test whether Rubbermade or Tupperware containers keep my food fresher. People can not objectively test whether one vitamin is better than another one. People can not objectively test whether a juice provides a specific benefit.

    In the case of MonaVie, it is well known that it lacks nutrition and 4 ounces ($7+ retail) is equivalent of 1 serving of fruit (or 6 baby carrots). We have extensive evidence of the company itself and its distributors making illegal health claims. The charity is fraudulent in so many ways that I haven’t time to write up the articles to explain it on this website. There’s a lot more. I’m not going recap all the articles on this site. They are there for your reading pleasure.

    Furthermore the MLM must focus on selling product not memberships to join the MLM. As the FTC says:

    “Not all multilevel marketing plans are legitimate. Some are pyramid schemes. It’s best not to get involved in plans where the money you make is based primarily on the number of distributors you recruit and your sales to them, rather than on your sales to people outside the plan who intend to use the products.”

    As we know, pyramid schemes are illegal. So a legit MLM should be proactive in breaking out the numbers of preferred customers (in MonaVie terminology) and retail sales to those who are not distributors.

    I’m not an MLM industry-expert, just a MonaVie one. When I see an MLM juice, chances are the company choose that distribution method because it’s an invitation for the company to profit and hide behind exaggerated or illegal claims of its distributors.

  7. Vogel Says:

    Jim Bittel said: “Before indiscriminately bashing MLM companies, do some research.”

    That’s a bizarre thing to say. He didn’t indiscriminately bash “MLM companies”; he bashed Eiro – that’s one MLM company, and the “bashing” was pretty mild. I’ve noticed that distributors for various scammy companies like Monavie claim that any criticism of their company is an indictment against all MLMs; that’s ludicrous. If I bashed Coke, would you accuse me of “indiscriminately bashing corporate America” or being “a soft drink hater”? I would hope not. So why do it with MLMs? If I say that Monavie is a scam, you certainly have no basis to conclude that I believe Avon is a scam as well. It’s a very deceptive straw man. It seems that people who do this are those who work for bad companies and are trying to bleed off the good reputation of the few good ones. I don’t really care one way or the other about Eiro, but if it were as good as you say, they probably wouldn’t be bankrupt and all those distributors wouldn’t be out of business. You’re going well beyond rooting for the underdog – this dog is dead and rigor mortis has set in.

  8. Jim Bittel Says:

    Vogel said: “That’s a bizarre thing to say. He didn’t indiscriminately bash “MLM companies”…

    The case could be made for “indiscriminate bashing”, since no information was offered to substantiate the statement “another scam just went under”. I have no quarrel with Team Deception, as they have clarified their point, and responded courteously.

    Vogel said: “but if it were as good as you say, they probably wouldn’t be bankrupt and all those distributors wouldn’t be out of business.”

    That statement doesn’t hold up either. According to the SBA, over 50% of small businesses fail in the first five years, for a variety of reasons. Some of these reasons include, but are not limited to: Lack of experience, insufficient capital, poor location, poor inventory management, over-investment in fixed assets, poor credit arrangements, personal use of business funds, unexpected growth, competition, and low sales. One cannot infer from failure of a company, that the company had nothing good to offer. Throughout history there have been many good products that have failed for any of the reasons mentioned above.

    I think that it is valuable to discuss and reveal companies that are not operating in an ethical manner. I have seen many times, in a zealous effort to defend one viewpoint or another, that we forget that there are people involved. People that are working hard to provide for their families, help others, and/or find a way to develop a viable business with low start-up costs, to supplement their income. People with integrity and high standards. Making comments about dead dogs and rigor mortis setting in is in poor taste.

    We have developed relationships with people over time, and when the rug gets pulled out from under you, it’s disheartening to say the least. While that’s not an excuse to blindly parrot the company line, we need to remember to have compassion for others while we are sitting behind our keyboards.

  9. MonaVie Scam Says:

    This site exists because there are people involved. By exposing MonaVie (and potentially others) on this website, I am showing people that this isn’t the “opportunity” they think it is. I get lots of emails and comments thanking me for the information here.

    With regard to MonaVie, people are not helping others or developing a viable business. I’ve shown this in more than 50 articles… and I could write another 150 without a problem if I had time.

    As you point out, the rug can get pulled out from under you without any warning. That is not the mark of a viable business. It will be interesting to see what happens to the Eiro distributors. If they jump to another MLM, it is proof that it was never about the product, but about the MLM structure. We’ve seen this with many of the top people in MonaVie former Amway people.

    I don’t know about Eiro well enough, but I have no compassion for MonaVie distributors when they get the rug pulled on them. I’ve warned them plenty that its coming. They can see from the FTC that I quoted above that it is coming. It already happened to Dallin Larsen’s last juice company. Finally MonaVie sees it coming and even writes about them being in the FTC cross hairs.

    Finally, it is worth noting that for every distributor that has their rug pulled out from underneath them another 20 or more are saved from being scammed. I have more compassion for Bernie Madoff’s victims than Bernie Madoff. I think I’m with the vast majority opinion here.

  10. Trevor Says:

    Monavie Doe’s Not Guarantee any form of income to its distributors; moreover, any monies made are dependent upon each distributers skill, and ability. Therefore, Monavie is not a scam, if somebody is outgoing and wants to try and sell a product and it is what the end user is looking for what is the problem. Were fighting over juice.
    This is too silly. Were not trying to trick anybody into anything all we are doing is promoting better health. Not everybody does the business and there is a lot of people who have actually benefited from the juice and have personal claims. The truth is we state we make no claims when we talk about monavie and share it with people, and only legitiment claims we can use are for Mona-vie Pulse which the FDA has evaluated and studies have shown it does help the heart and other aspects.

    We let people decided if they want to buy are juice we don’t push it on them we give them the verbish stating monavie is not a drug and so on and so forth and does not cure. What more can you ask.

    So what if were a fancy a juice…

    For instance here is a good example:

    You go to liqure store to buy beer and its cheap localy.

    Or you go to a hocky game/pub/club that same beer will be double the price possibly even more.

    Let people choose there own bran and have the freedom to make there own choice of where they will buy there product. Dispite the Cost of things.

    The world is all bran name people want cheap they buy no name, people want brand they by brand name. The choice is the peoples to make not yours. So stop trying to tell people monavie is a scam the Amway ruling has decided what is a scam and what isn’t and we Monavie thinking of a football field find ourselves well within the hash lines when complying with the AMWAY RULING. Don’t Put down a business Model you know nothing about.

    Sure most MLM are not complying or sometimes fall between the cracks its up to the person joining the MLM to do a little research and to decide on there own whether or not they would like to join the MLM.

    If your not a supporter of MLM leave it alone, Monavie complies with superior guidelines of those of convectional business.

    People who are influence to join who are promised any form of bonus or garentee of income I apologize, for you being misslead.

    But in Monavie We are like normal people doing regler business are model is diffrent so what.

    People if you belived everythig you read on the internet you go crazy what ever happen to not juding a book by its cover live little learn. And be open minded to new way of moving product to end users mlm may not be hugely effective but its at least paying its distributers a commission for moving product and not selling product in store and paying advertizing companies millions of dollers… instead of advertising these companies pay the distributer a % of commison based on volume sold by each disributer. Therefore making jobs, helping people.

  11. MonaVie Scam Says:

    You are placing your of “scam” towards the poor business opportunity of MonaVie. The reason why I call it a scam is because the product costs $45 and is shown to have value of $4 juice. The average family of 4 is being scammed out $5000 a year. If you want to trivialize it as “fighting over juice”, then simply by the superior Welch’s.

    The truth is that we have piles of evidence that distributors make illegal claims about the juice – just look at Mitch Biggs – who is one of the highest people in MonaVie. He got there with claims that it was organic (it’s not) and that it cures swine flu (it doesn’t).

    You ask what more I can ask? I ask that it be put it on the shelves at its retail price. Let’s let the customer choose without the illegal claims and being required to buy the juice to be part of the business opportunity. This is letting people have that freedom to make their own choice, while offering them the standard forms of consumer protection.

    Your beer example is flawed. It is called a concession when it as at a game/pub/club. MonaVie is not a concession and it is not priced as a concession. You could say the same thing about popcorn – cheap at home and expensive at the movies. So where’s the opportunity to buy it cheap at home? It isn’t even for sale at hockey games/pubs/clubs, etc.

    MonaVie does not comply with the with proper guidelines of MLMs – its IDS for Canada is from 2008. It’s latest for the US is from the middle of 2009.

    I don’t ask people to believe everything they read on the Internet, but each piece should be judged by the supporting evidence. I’ve got some 75 articles here of evidence and if I had the time, I could write 200 more. This article for instance is a example of not believing what you hear without evidence. MonaVie makes a claim without proof.

    The commission that MLM is paying is a small percentage of what they are overcharging people. It’s like me offering you $100 to sell my $200,000 Honda Civics. Just because I give you a $100, it doesn’t make it right that I charged a customer $200,000 for a product that’s worth far less. Don’t forget that MonaVie pays millions of dollars in advertising – see their race car sponsorship.

    The “jobs” that MonaVie is making for distributors pay less than minimum wage and offer no health benefits (as well as lacking in many other areas). They require that people use their own resources like gas and fund their own training. These are not the kind of jobs that are helping people. These are the kind of jobs that spread poverty.

    Yes people should Be Open-Minded About MonaVie.

  12. humiliated Says:

    Trevor, what I find REALLY sad is you say

    “we are not trying to trick people into buying and what we are promoting is better health”

    It is sad because they have manipulated you into believing that you are not “tricking” people into anything. This is how Monavie operates and you are completely blind to it.

    Monavie has nothing to do with promoting health because, if it did, you would get a lot more then ONE serving of fruit a day and have far more anti-oxidants then it contains (less then one store bought apple a day). None of you know squat about health yet you all act as if you are experts on the subject. If you knew anything, you would read the studies and the articles and know that Monavie is essentially worthless in this context. So, if this is the case, what we have left is the business “opportunity” which Juice Scam has more then covered.

    It is NOT true that you don’t “share stories” at the meetings. I heard many of them when I was a part of this sham of a company. They “share” stories at the conventions for God’s sake. Please don’t lie.

    Do you not find it ironic that you tell people not to believe everything they read on the internet, yet it is clear that you cut and paste your first paragraph from either the Monavie website, or one of the Black Diamond’s sites? I have read that somewhere before…hmm…I can also tell that you cut and paste it because your post is rife with grammatical and spelling errors, except that first one.

    So, to recap, you say don’t believe everything you read EXCEPT when is supports Monavie, ie The Monavie web site? Is that correct? Does that not seem ridiculous to you? These sites (this and Lazy Man site)are promoting no other product, no other “business opportunity” yet you shouldn’t believe what is written here, is that correct? The anti-Monavie people posting on here are not trying to “sell” anyone anything else. We are all trying to stop another person from being sucked into this pyramid scheme, like you have been.

    We have people posting on here that have extensive backgrounds in science, law and business who explain exactly what this company and it’s pseudo science is about. Monavie talks a big game to people who are by and large not educated in these areas so they buy whatever is being told to them. I just ask people to talk to someone independantly if they don’t believe what is written here. That is what I did because I don’t have a background in science or business. That is how I confirmed that was written here by people like Vogel, Juice Scam, Anonymous Aussie etc . was true.

    We have witnessed ex-distributors come on here after having lost their homes, or their families, or both, to this scam. My ONLY agenda is to stop another person from telling that heart wrenching story again because they have educated themselves through these sites. I beg anyone considering becoming a part of this scam to do their own research, look at the articles in Men’s Journal etc.

    I suggest you check out the recent posts on the Lazy Man site regarding Protandim, which is virtually making the same claims as Monavie. MLM’s like this are selling products that the general public is just too savvy to buy if they were on the shelves so they have to sell it to suckers through the extremely shady MLM system. Period.

  13. Vogel Says:

    Trevor said: “Monavie Doe’s Not Guarantee any form of income to its distributors; moreover, any monies made are dependent upon each distributers skill, and ability. Therefore, Monavie is not a scam.”

    I disagree with even your basic premise that the rewards in Monavie are skill-based (consider for example the case of key Amway distributors that were grandfathered to the top of the pyramid and earn a substantial portion of their Monavie revenue from selling sales tools and motivational lectures). Secondly, if Monavie were skill- and ability-based then it would be incumbent on the company and its distributors to only hire people that have those necessary skills and abilities (which is what legitimate companies do). But that’s clearly not the case; they do not filter out anybody – any warm body will do even if they are completely lacking in skill and ability. That’s because it doesn’t require skill/ability to funnel one’s own money into the pyramid, and that’s all that the company cares about. Lastly, I would argue that not only have the few success in Monavie been built on the epic failures of the vast majority of downline distributors, they have been predicated on false, misleading, and illegal claims.

    Trevor said: “This is too silly. Were not trying to trick anybody into anything all we are doing is promoting better health. Not everybody does the business and there is a lot of people who have actually benefited from the juice and have personal claims. The truth is we state we make no claims when we talk about monavie and share it with people, and only legitiment claims we can use are for Mona-vie Pulse which the FDA has evaluated and studies have shown it does help the heart and other aspects.”

    Clearly, your scam is predicated on tricking people, and you seem to be too dimwitted to even notice that you just tried to trick people by making that comment. Pulse (and the claims made in the marketing of Pulse) has NEVER been evaluated by the FDA. That’s just a flat out lie, as was your claim about studies showing that Pulse helps the heart. No such studies exist. Furthermore, Pulse uses a structure function claim about plant sterols that has been allowed by the FDA, without preapproval, since 2003 (and that’s because Minute Maid petitioned the FDA, and they did so long before Monavie showed up on the market).

    Trevor: “Let people choose there own bran and have the freedom to make there own choice of where they will buy there product. Dispite the Cost of things.The world is all bran name people want cheap they buy no name, people want brand they by brand name. The choice is the peoples to make not yours. So stop trying to tell people monavie is a scam the Amway ruling has decided what is a scam and what isn’t and we Monavie thinking of a football field find ourselves well within the hash lines when complying with the AMWAY RULING. Don’t Put down a business Model you know nothing about…”

    [Hint: Turn on spell check and enroll in an ESL class]. If you have any evidence about Monavie’s compliance and position within those fictitious hash lines you speak of, then put in on the table. Also, bear in mind that the regular contributors here know far more about Monavie than you do or ever likely will. You immediately lose credibility when you demonstrate the inability to write coherently, you pepper your posts with idiotic untruthful claims, and then you accuse everyone else of being ignorant. Show some humility and cognizance of your unmistakable limitations. Lastly, it’s laughable the way you try to spin this as an issue of consumer choice. If that’s your main concern, put Monavie on the store shelf and see how well this $45 toxic fruit punch competes with other juices. Monavie can’t compete, that’s why it requires the efforts of desperate immoral blowhards to promote it (using illegal medical claims and undeliverable promises of wealth). We aren’t depriving anyone of anything other than the chance to rip off their fellow netizens with BS fruit punch and millionaire pipe dreams.

    Trevor said: “People if you belived (sic) everythig (sic) you read on the internet you go crazy what ever happen to not juding (sic) a book by its cover live little learn. And be open minded…

    [Reminder: spell check…ESL class] Odd that you would discount the reliability of the internet as a source of information and then in the same breath, use that same medium to try to persuade people (unintentional irony).

  14. team deception Says:

    So now what? What happened to Trevor? He comes on here like every other slappy and gives us a line about the scam then its refuted with facts and he vanishes. I have been watching/participating in this sight for about 6 months now and I have yet to see any “pro-monavie” or “pro-team” individuals state a case and make it stick!! They are all like robots. I know they all listen to same Cd’s over and over and over again but seriously can we get just one distributor to come on here and give us a real fact to show us that this is not a scam? Just one reason that does not include the line “your trying to steal my dream”. It’s like watching a train wreck in slow motion. Distributor gets on and says “I’m not in the business but if I were I think it a great opportunity because it……. and finish the sentence with some garbage line about monavie or TEAM leadership thats not true. Then Vogel (or someone else)lights into him and poof, there gone forever.

  15. Mackwiz Says:

    Team Deception,

    I can think of only of two different reasons for people like Trevor.

    1. Distrubtor who has never seen this page before visits, reads one or two posts, gets pissed, and since they have no real argument and haven’t looked at more posts and comments they post the same old tired arguments. Satisfied with the mark they left they leave, or they have no answers so they use the “god bless you sad heathens” and “I have better things to do” excuse out of the argument.

    2. Some of the same people are using different aliases from different computers (to change IPs), and are posting the same comments slightly reworded because they know we will have to post rebuttals. In a sense, they know they can get a rise out of us so they do so.

    I’d go with #1 as most of the distributors on here, maybe a few #2’s.

    2.

  16. Mackwiz Says:

    One thing real quick.

    Trevor said, “we talk about monavie and share it with people, and only legitiment claims”

    BS. How do you share something at $40 a bottle retail? The way it’s shared in MonaVie is similar to the drug trade:

    “Here’s a bottle, free of charge! Come back if you want some more… Hey you’re back! 40 Bucks or become a dealer like me, take your pick!”

    Only legitimate claims? Yeah, then maybe you could explain why the MonaVie spokesperson I talked to compared the juice to prescription medicine, and implied that MonaVie could get me off prescription medication. That’s illegal as all hell, and not even close to a legitimate claim for juice.

    Vogel, you weren’t lying. That was like trying to read through an alphabet train wreck.

  17. MadScientistMatt Says:

    Mackwiz, I’ve got a third theory about some of the hit and run posters. It’s fairly easy for someone to show up and regurgitate the party line. But to carry on a dialog means paying attention to and responding to the other side, which is a much bigger challenge. I think some of the distributors may intend to be back and carry on a discussion, but find they’ve bitten off more than they can chew, and decide to remain silent.

  18. humiliated Says:

    Juice Scam, do you think it is possible that this site is being monitored by someone at Monavie and they send out cease and desist emails to any distributors that have actually identified themselves on this site, ostensibly because they don’t want to make your site more popular by visiting it etc.? Meanwhile, they know that these identified individuals are burying themselves here and could potentially jeopardize themselves and the company when we report them to the FDA and/or FTC? Just a thought because I have just noticed that the dialogue with these identified individuals doesn’t seem to last as long as it used to…

  19. MonaVie Scam Says:

    It is quite possible. I know that MonaVie knows about the site. I can’t speak as to what private conversations MonaVie and their distributors have had.

  20. DEM Says:

    I do know that MV monitors this site and a few more just like it. I myself was a distributor but of course I am not using my real name like I’m sure a couple of pissed off people have. I’m sure that they are monitoring sites more often because they are at 10% of their peak, meaning that they are at less than 300,000 distributors, which means that they are going under. This is what happens when you have too much pride (Dallin), and you issue contracts to other distributors to join your company and push others aside who have been working hard to attain success, and after the contract is up what happens, they leave. Network marketing isn’t about pushing the people who are further at the bottom further down, you are supposed to help them get to the top, period. You can ask me where my proof is, you can ask me to cite information, you can say it’s all false and I’m bitter because I wasn’t successful, go ahead. Whatever you need to say to help yourself feel better, and try to trick your mind into thinking that this company will be around after the next couple of years. I’ve done months worth of research and I have talked with people who have left MV because of these specific reasons. I’m all for cheering for my fellow networkers, and wishing success upon them, but not at the expense of others. MV is getting what they deserve, and I hope that enough people see the light and run before the empire comes crashing down.

  21. humiliated Says:

    DEM, I am all for wishing success on people that are selling a quality product, at a competetive price without the use of false advertising, guilt, & religion to do so. I truly believe Monavie will fail for THOSE reasons as well as personally hurting distributors who are loyal to them as you indicate. Also, I would NEVER use Monavie and “network marketing” in the same sentence, as Monavie is a form multi-level marketing which is distinct from network marketing as I have learned from Juice Scam!

    It sounds like you have a lot of inside information and I am glad that you are sharing it.

  22. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    DEM, the downturn in the number of distributors is also characteristic of a pyramid scheme also.

    If Monavie can’t attract distributors, it’s obvous the business won’t survive – there is no loyal customer base and no external revenue, the distributors are the primary customers (the extraordinary drop-out rate directly relates to the fact that distributors realise the impossibility of making any money) and the revenue is as a result of the sales and purchases of their own sales force.

    Welcome to the discussion.

  23. DEM Says:

    @ Humiliated and Anonymous Aussie, you two both make some valid points. MV is very cult-ish at their meetings, seminars, and big events. Most claim that they didn’t really achieve success till they invited god into their business, that to me is just wrong, and I’m not going to elaborate further on the whole religion thing. As far as a pyramid scheme, it is definitely so. You cannot make more money than Orrin or Chris especially when they are strategically placing other distributors in the business (do some research on a man named Robert Dean) and everyone at the bottom is left out to dry. As far as the money, yes they are going under they claim to have a %50 pay out, how when you purchase a huge 8 story building in Utah and purchase a private jet before your company even launches, or re-launches I should say, because it used to be Monarch, seems like Dallin can’t stay out of trouble.

  24. Vogel Says:

    I think the jet story is a bit of a scam too. As near as I can tell they didn’t buy the jet; they simply lease it. More smoke and mirrors.

    And if I’m not mistaken, Robert Dean bailed on Monavie (shortly after being brought in at the top level) for Evolv?

  25. Amthrax Says:

    Robert Dean is at Evolv today. In fact, the company just merged with Xowii, another landing place for ex-Monavie Diamonds. More info here: http://amthrax.wordpress.com/2011/02/18/xowii-evolves-with-evolv/

  26. Anonymous Aussie Says:

    They certainly do claim 50% payout but they don’t like to draw to much attention as to how that 50% is distributed. However, we’ve already seen how exactly how it’s divvied up –
    http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-is-embarrassed-by-their-income-disclosure-statement-2/

  27. imyourworsenightmare Says:

    O yeah I love Monavie, I’m a distributor who earn some money, but most importantly I love the product and drinking it and finishing it before the 1 month spans is due. I just love the product and I don’t want to make any medical claim but this is what I did.

    I am a person who have live my life with Colitis and that stuff suck. I was hospitalize for about 2 week no blood weak look like a skeleton. Was about to get operated to remove my intestine. Nope as much as a science type guy I am I was pray as my life depend on it and it is.

    Docs finally stablize it and give me some more blood transfusion. Was release out or hospital and put under crazy medication lord have mercy. Everytime I read those discribtion on those med OMG I feel like a living subject. Anyway do as doc insist. On and off I was with regular check up with my GI Doc and all they could do is give me anti inflame WTH. I’m sick of it I weigh about 120 from 145 and dropping. Can’t go nowhere can’t eat crazy food that inflame it. OMG when is this going to end.

    One day I was introduce to Monavie screw that money making stuff I wanted to try and I try anything. I was still on Med. still following order from docs. Its like months past I still take my monavie when I take my meds and one day I think about a year later I stopp my med on my own behalf and see what going to happen. The previous year I can’t stop for 1 day I would flare up again. Now I am close to two year no Meds no Docs as I never go back to visit them cause I don’t have anymore flare up eat what ever I like and I weigh 165-170lbs feeling good about myself enegictic go anywhere don’t hug the toilet nomore. I have left over med sitting in my counter laughing at it. I’m I cure? I don’t think so because my body is the one that cause this disease. Did Monavie cure me? No I don’t think so cause Monavie is a food and food don’t cure. What cure me? My spiritual energy, my body is being fuel with good source of food and anti oxident, and Tust my body heal itself. I’m just happy that with the help of Monavie I was being more healthy and I love it so much that if I see it in your garage I will drink the whole bottle in a minute.

    So there you go thats my thought and other may use it differently fill in their garage cause they don’t know what to do with them. Some try to sell and never make it. Some share but never get a response. I’m just saying these people are different with diff. philosphy you choose your life and your path you can’t blame anything for your failure. Or else this world would be perfect and boring.

  28. Andre Degaspery Says:

    This was the proof that I was looking for. Your posts just simply are assuming the worse about people, in a way that makes you look better, of course. Why don’t believe in inc 500? now is it a scam too? inc 500 scan, the next best fraud… riiight.

    Andre Degaspery – Brazil

  29. MonaVie Scam Says:

    I don’t assume the worst in people. I look for accurate proven information. If I were to make a claim that this blog is the first to be have made me 100 million dollars, you’d ask me to prove it (after you stop laughing). If my response is “Trust me”, then surely you wouldn’t, right?

    This is exactly what MonaVie is doing. They are making a claim, but showing no proof. They say, “Trust me” and that’s about it.

    You might want to read this article about Inc. 500: MonaVie and Inc. Magazine’s 500 Also, note that the editor from Inc 500 came to my site and commented on the article calling it fair. So you be the judge…

  30. humiliated Says:

    Really? Does a Billion dollar company have to whine about a little negative press they are getting on the internet? I would laugh if my company sent out a memo telling me not to visit negative websites. Take a look at what Amthrax received and wrote about:

    http://amthrax.wordpress.com/2011/07/06/monavie-does-not-want-you-to-read-or-link-to-negative-websites/

    Personally, I will be telling people to go to this site, as well as the Amthrax site as often as possible.

    I guess you should take this as a huge compliment JuiceScam…you are definitely effecting their bottom line! Well done! That said, people who come to these sites to investigate the company before they “join” already have an intuition that something ‘just ain’t right’ and they seek sites like this out to confirm what they already know.

    The public who are seeking out a balanced perspective on the “company” will be smart enough to see that they are linking to MonaVie generated propaganda and will continue to seek out sites that are not affiliated with MV. MonaVie may have a bunch of cult members who are blindly following what they say, but they really don’t give the public enough credit, and that will bite them in the ass. My guess is that the public won’t be happy to see that they are trying to influence/control the information that they get and that they will feel it is a huge insult to their intelligence.

  31. MonaVie Scam Says:

    I knew I was effecting their bottom line when they tried to sue me when they threatened to sue me twice.

  32. Mackwiz Says:

    I for one am really glad they sent this memo out. I felt somewhat tired of responding to hit-and-run posters saying the same arguments over and over again, never really knowing if they are flame baiting or not, without realizing that many people have likely come here and got the hell out of MonaVie after what they learned.

    I like the way they directly tell their people to resort to sweeping under the rug tactics instead of addressing the issues.

    “Address the criticism? Hell no, let’s try to manipulate reality instead!”

    The hell? Is MonaVie adopting North Korean political white-wash tactics now?

    “In Soviet TEAM land, MonaVie ‘drinks shares and feels’ YOU!”

  33. HENRY EVA Says:

    I for one am really glad they sent this memo out. I felt somewhat tired of responding to hit-and-run posters saying the same arguments over and over again, never really knowing if they are flame baiting or not, without realizing that many people have likely come here and got the hell out of MonaVie after what they learned.

    I like the way they directly tell their people to resort to sweeping under the rug tactics instead of addressing the issues.

    “Address the criticism? Hell no, let’s try to manipulate reality instead!”

    The hell? Is MonaVie adopting North Korean political white-wash tactics now?

    “In Soviet TEAM land, MonaVie ‘drinks shares and feels you,thanks for your understand,am just saying the truth

  34. Joshua Taratuta Says:

    MonaVie Scam – thanx for the mention of LHR and the link to the article. It caught my eye because we have been contacted by these people a while ago and had some ongoing problems for a debt that never existed.

  35. Heather Says:

    Hi!

    While I totally see where you are coming from, Im wondering if the numbers really make a difference. I mean we KNOW that the juice is good for you. Monavie did not come up with the benefits of anitoxidants. That is studied and accepted by even the least educated people in the world. We KNOW that. So whether or not you think they are in fact the fastest growing MLM company (and the claim is that they are the fastest growing MLM company to hit a billion in sales) or not, the product itself cant really be judged as a scam. It IS a bit expensive at first glance but is it really…How many meals at a restaurant would you have to skip in order to put better nutrition in your body (and I feel pretty confidant saying that seeing as we already KNOW antioxidants are good for us) One, two, maybe three at a low cost fast food restaurant. Also, I am wondering if you have considered that Monavie gives everyone a chance to be a sales person. Not everyone is self motivated, good at sales or outgoing enough to make it work for them. The hope is that everyone is but that cant be blamed on the company. You can never get fired (or it is rare that someone would be fired) so each person has their own learning curve. Nerves can make someone lose that little piece of info about Monavie being the fastest growing MLM company to hit a billion. You may feel like youre doing good by saving people their thousand dollars but what are you REALLY giving as valid info. I think your missing the point. If youve made your millions absolutely…I will follow your site wholeheartedly but if youre just sitting at home trying to find fault in things you dont know a ton about..you may want to re-evaluate what you do with your time.

    I am personally under 30, retired(not only from Monavie but multiple business ventures)and happen to have seen some pretty amazing things that happen when people get their fruits and veggies. Thats what the juice is. In a world where we are advised (by doctors and the health comission) to eat 10-12 fruit and vegetable servings a day but are only averaging 1.8 servings a day, I think it is worth getting out there and talking about a product that makes it easier to do. Numbers aside, its a good product. Ive made money, not without work but I do make quite a bit. Its possible and worth while.

  36. MonaVie Scam Says:

    Actually we don’t know that MonaVie juice is good for you. We know that Men’s Journal Proves MonaVie Lacks Nutrition and the arguments here showed reputable government sources that juice is not healthy.

    So maybe we don’t “KNOW” what you think we know.

    At the time of this article, they were making the claim that they were the fastest growing MLM, but in the past couple of years, it’s been clear that they shrinking.

    MonaVie isn’t sold at restaurants and doesn’t replace a meal at a restaurant. This is a very poor comparison like comparing an apple and a transmission.

    Yes MonaVie gives everyone a chance to be a sales person, but it only does so because it can charge its sales people its expensive price as a requirement to participate in the scheme. It should be noted that 99.54% of the sales people lose money: Monavie is Embarrassed by Their Income Disclosure Statement? and It’s Not a Matter of Effort, it’s a Mathematical Certainty.

    Please read that last article again (It’s Not a Matter of Effort, it’s a Mathematical Certainty.)… it most certainly is the fault of MonaVie because their compensation makes it so. MonaVie can most certainly fire you by terminating their distributor agreement. MonaVie should fire more people specifically those like Mitch Biggs claiming that MonaVie prevents swine flu. It is a failure on MonaVie’s part to not fire people, but why would they? They are making money from these illegal claims.

    All of this is REALLY valid information that has shown to be true. Perhaps you should do the research.

    It’s not about whether I’ve made millions, it’s about the fact that I’ve never defrauded people out of their money like MonaVie.

    MonaVie isn’t about getting fruits and veggies – Drinking MonaVie is Not Equal to Eating 13 Fruits. Remember that 4 Ounces of MonaVie is a Serving of Fruit. In fact MonaVie is worse than a pile of apples.

    Given the price of the product (as you mi

  37. CGC Says:

    Dear Heather,

    Let me state emphatically that the flagship Monavie product, acai juice, is indeed a scam. The first thing you need to realize is that it’s just fruit juice and then compare it to other juices and then to the healthier fruits it is replacing.

    It takes about 4-8 ounces of fruit juice to equal a serving of fruit (from USDA and ADA)
    According to MV’s website the juice sells at $31 plus shipping for 25 oz., which is about $1.40 oz., or $5.60 to $11.20 per serving.

    What do you get for that? From the only label I found: 120 calories, 1g fat, potasium 8%, Carbohydrates 8%, fiber 4%, sugars 12g, protein 0%, vitamin C 100%, vitamin K 48%, iron 8%. And from MV’s site: total antioxidant capacity of the MV measured by ORAC is 22.8 ìmol TE/mL.

    Compare this to other acai juices:
    a) Sambazon Organic Original Acai Juice = $1 per 4 oz. serving.
    b) Arthur’s Acai Plus Natural Smoothie = $0.80 per 4 oz. serving.
    c) Zola Brazilian Superfruits Acai Original Juice = $1 per 4 oz. serving.
    d) Bom Dia = $1 per 4 oz. serving.
    e) Amazon Thunder: $4 per 4 oz. serving. [And this is 99% acai! How much acai in MV? 6%? It’s a mystery.].

    Now since there’s no evidence that acai is especially healthier than other fruit, especially in juice form, consider that other juices are even cheaper. For example, Oasis Antioxia juice has more antioxidants than MV and it is only about $0.10 an ounce. Multiply the savings if you have a family of four! Believe it or not, at least $7000 a year.

    Now every doctor, nutritionist or dietician that has a brain will tell you real fruit is healthier than juice. To compare with fresh fruit, I found a comprehensive study by the UDSA that said: “After adjusting for waste and serving size, the price per serving for fresh fruits drops to a range of 11 cents a serving for apples and watermelon to 66 cents a serving for blackberries. Almost two-thirds of the fresh fruits, 16 out of 25, cost 25 cents or less per serving, and only 2 of the 25 cost more than 50 cents per serving.” So on average, you could get 35 servings of fresh fruit for the cost of one serving of MonaVie. I found these prices to be quite low, but even if we double them you get 17 servings of healthier fruit per serving of MV.

    In a free country where people have a lot of disposable income anyone can still splurge on MV if they want, but as an everyday food item, a serving of fruit, or a source of antioxidants, it is an extremely expensive option. If you sell it as anything other than that, it’s a scam.

 
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