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		<title>By: Mackwiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mackwiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this topic died a few months back but I just want to add something here.  Organic wolfberry exists, and there is no reason why MonaVie shouldn&#039;t use it.  Wake up and stop being brainwashed by stupid marketing propaganda.  You claim we (people exposing MonaVie) follow the FDA and govt. into the meat grinder while you let this rediculous company empty your pockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this topic died a few months back but I just want to add something here.  Organic wolfberry exists, and there is no reason why MonaVie shouldn&#8217;t use it.  Wake up and stop being brainwashed by stupid marketing propaganda.  You claim we (people exposing MonaVie) follow the FDA and govt. into the meat grinder while you let this rediculous company empty your pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 23:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is irrelevant? You come up with some stupid unconfirmed stories about sildenifil in acai used by MV, and this talks about gene-spliced ingredients in juices produced by different company that produces juice that you often point as cheap alternative for MV - have they stopped doing that now?  I do not know.  If U.S. consumer and environmental groups urged Campbell Soup Co.  to stop this it is likely that they may be still doing this, especially as it is very difficult to avoid ingredients that are not gene-sliced, given US stance on GMOs.  Given the low price of V8 juice as compared to MV they may be doing a lot of things to save their costs.  First thing that big food corporations do is clarify the acai used.  This is why testing for pesticides, herbicides, and other stuff is so important.  I know MV is doing that - other companies probably not.  This is one reason they are much cheaper, but I would not trade my future health for cheap fruit juices.

Earth Fruits based on the info on their website is producing freeze-dried acai powder that is organic - this company is owned by MV.  

But being organic again does not mean is better than freeze-dried, especially as spray-drying (if used in organic process) loses most of nutrients that acai has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is irrelevant? You come up with some stupid unconfirmed stories about sildenifil in acai used by MV, and this talks about gene-spliced ingredients in juices produced by different company that produces juice that you often point as cheap alternative for MV &#8211; have they stopped doing that now?  I do not know.  If U.S. consumer and environmental groups urged Campbell Soup Co.  to stop this it is likely that they may be still doing this, especially as it is very difficult to avoid ingredients that are not gene-sliced, given US stance on GMOs.  Given the low price of V8 juice as compared to MV they may be doing a lot of things to save their costs.  First thing that big food corporations do is clarify the acai used.  This is why testing for pesticides, herbicides, and other stuff is so important.  I know MV is doing that &#8211; other companies probably not.  This is one reason they are much cheaper, but I would not trade my future health for cheap fruit juices.</p>
<p>Earth Fruits based on the info on their website is producing freeze-dried acai powder that is organic &#8211; this company is owned by MV.  </p>
<p>But being organic again does not mean is better than freeze-dried, especially as spray-drying (if used in organic process) loses most of nutrients that acai has.</p>
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		<title>By: MonaVie Scam</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonaVie Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>V8 Fusion Acai Berry was introduced after July 20, 2000.  MonaVie was introduced 5 years after that date you quoted.  This is irrelevant to any topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>V8 Fusion Acai Berry was introduced after July 20, 2000.  MonaVie was introduced 5 years after that date you quoted.  This is irrelevant to any topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 10:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is about the maker of your great V8 juice:

U.S. consumer and environmental groups urged Campbell Soup Co. to stop using gene-spliced ingredients in its soups, breads, juices, and other products. Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, the Centre for Food Safety, and four other groups said they aimed to pressure companies to stop using bioengineered food. Campbells, which licensed the first genetically modified food -- the FlavrSavr tomato -- engineered for longer shelf life, is the first company targeted by the coalition. In Europe, Campbell sells little, if any, bioengineered food. Source: Reuters, July 20, 2000</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is about the maker of your great V8 juice:</p>
<p>U.S. consumer and environmental groups urged Campbell Soup Co. to stop using gene-spliced ingredients in its soups, breads, juices, and other products. Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, the Centre for Food Safety, and four other groups said they aimed to pressure companies to stop using bioengineered food. Campbells, which licensed the first genetically modified food &#8212; the FlavrSavr tomato &#8212; engineered for longer shelf life, is the first company targeted by the coalition. In Europe, Campbell sells little, if any, bioengineered food. Source: Reuters, July 20, 2000</p>
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		<title>By: Styles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Styles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this website.  It has given me so much great info.  But something really, really baffles me.  Why do the people that are distributors repeat vague stuff and refuse to give their distributor info?  Do we have to call Monavie HQ and say &quot;hi, i need a distributor number for a Mr. Crawford?&quot;.  Why would Matthew even suggest that?

Matthew says &quot;Remember its not just acai, just one third of every bottle&quot;

So should we expect a new tagline to be released this summer....

monavie! Now with 33% acai.

Sig</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this website.  It has given me so much great info.  But something really, really baffles me.  Why do the people that are distributors repeat vague stuff and refuse to give their distributor info?  Do we have to call Monavie HQ and say &#8220;hi, i need a distributor number for a Mr. Crawford?&#8221;.  Why would Matthew even suggest that?</p>
<p>Matthew says &#8220;Remember its not just acai, just one third of every bottle&#8221;</p>
<p>So should we expect a new tagline to be released this summer&#8230;.</p>
<p>monavie! Now with 33% acai.</p>
<p>Sig</p>
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		<title>By: MonaVie Scam</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonaVie Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew... we&#039;ve asked and have all the information that MonaVie makes public.  Inc. Magazine does not say MonaVie is good stuff - http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-and-inc-magazines-500/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew&#8230; we&#8217;ve asked and have all the information that MonaVie makes public.  Inc. Magazine does not say MonaVie is good stuff &#8211; <a href="http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-and-inc-magazines-500/" rel="nofollow">http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-and-inc-magazines-500/</a></p>
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		<title>By: matthew crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>matthew crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 20:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello there,

I am in fact a distributer, if you wish to see the documentation ask MonaVie HQ for it. I am more then positive they will share all information with you. Monavie spent millions and millions of dollars to prepare the juice so that the MonaVie promise would not be compromised. How could it be a scam? We are number one in food and beverage. You pay for your juice you get your juice it does wonderful things for your body, you don&#039;t think MonaVie gives energy? Chug back half a bottle then post that again. Remember its not just acai, just one third of every bottle. Also talk abit about pulse and the greatness it does for your heart. The Inc. 500 magazine seems to think we are good stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello there,</p>
<p>I am in fact a distributer, if you wish to see the documentation ask MonaVie HQ for it. I am more then positive they will share all information with you. Monavie spent millions and millions of dollars to prepare the juice so that the MonaVie promise would not be compromised. How could it be a scam? We are number one in food and beverage. You pay for your juice you get your juice it does wonderful things for your body, you don&#8217;t think MonaVie gives energy? Chug back half a bottle then post that again. Remember its not just acai, just one third of every bottle. Also talk abit about pulse and the greatness it does for your heart. The Inc. 500 magazine seems to think we are good stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: MonaVie Scam</title>
		<link>http://www.juicescam.com/is-monavie-organic/comment-page-1/#comment-8080</link>
		<dc:creator>MonaVie Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 00:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If freeze-dried acai is important you&#039;d think MonaVie would have more of it... &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-is-less-than-2-freeze-dried-acai/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MonaVie is less than 2% Freeze - Dried Acai&lt;/a&gt;.  There&#039;s little point about talking about the benefits of a patent on freeze-drying acai for at least a couple of reasons.. 
1) There are a bunch of crazy patents out there.  You may think the US patent office is discriminating, but it turns out they aren&#039;t.  Here&#039;s one for a non-lethal cock fighting system... but cock fighting is illegal in the United States.  Here is one about the plugging of a hole in a wall... http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6994809.html.
2) There are tons of freeze-dried acai products on the market.  Just because MonaVie patented their process of freeze-drying acai, doesn&#039;t mean that it&#039;s better than someone else&#039;s method.  It might just be more efficient for MonaVie.
3) I love page 33 of the patent (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7563465.pdf)... specifically line 40.  Schauss claims that &quot;... Acai fruit and the Jucara fruit be used to treat, reverse, and/or prevent cancers...&quot;  Is that really what it looks like?  Am I to believe that Schauss makes an illegal medical claim on a formal patent application

As far as the Wolfberry goes, my point was simply that if one wanted to save money on organic certification, they could add one ingredient that can&#039;t be certified organic and then go cheap on the other ingredients.  They could be GMOs for all we know.  No one would ever know the difference.  When something is certified organic, we &lt;b&gt;know&lt;/b&gt; more about how all the ingredients were grown.

Lastly, here&#039;s some certified-organic dried Wolfberry from China&lt;/a&gt;.  It seems it is quite possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If freeze-dried acai is important you&#8217;d think MonaVie would have more of it&#8230; <a href="http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-is-less-than-2-freeze-dried-acai/" rel="nofollow">MonaVie is less than 2% Freeze &#8211; Dried Acai</a>.  There&#8217;s little point about talking about the benefits of a patent on freeze-drying acai for at least a couple of reasons..<br />
1) There are a bunch of crazy patents out there.  You may think the US patent office is discriminating, but it turns out they aren&#8217;t.  Here&#8217;s one for a non-lethal cock fighting system&#8230; but cock fighting is illegal in the United States.  Here is one about the plugging of a hole in a wall&#8230; <a href="http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6994809.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6994809.html</a>.<br />
2) There are tons of freeze-dried acai products on the market.  Just because MonaVie patented their process of freeze-drying acai, doesn&#8217;t mean that it&#8217;s better than someone else&#8217;s method.  It might just be more efficient for MonaVie.<br />
3) I love page 33 of the patent (<a href="http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7563465.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7563465.pdf</a>)&#8230; specifically line 40.  Schauss claims that &#8220;&#8230; Acai fruit and the Jucara fruit be used to treat, reverse, and/or prevent cancers&#8230;&#8221;  Is that really what it looks like?  Am I to believe that Schauss makes an illegal medical claim on a formal patent application</p>
<p>As far as the Wolfberry goes, my point was simply that if one wanted to save money on organic certification, they could add one ingredient that can&#8217;t be certified organic and then go cheap on the other ingredients.  They could be GMOs for all we know.  No one would ever know the difference.  When something is certified organic, we <b>know</b> more about how all the ingredients were grown.</p>
<p>Lastly, here&#8217;s some certified-organic dried Wolfberry from China.  It seems it is quite possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freeze-drying for acai is far more important than being organic.

Wolfberry (goji) to me is the second best ingredient of MV - it is also considered as one of the superfruits so it somehow does not make sense what MonaVie Scam said about adding goji to MV just to avoid organic certification. Chinese often use organochlorine pesticides in commercial goji cultivation to mitigate destruction of berries by insects (based on Wikipedia) - so testing for pesticides is necessary. Lychee is also from China -  Oh, I am sorry, your V8 or Welch juice does not have it.  Too bad as goji has been known for its health benefits for centuries.

Why should organic certification for acai be something unusual?  Most of acai is grown in amazon rain forest - i.e. there are no pesticides being used there.  So what is this discussion really for?  To me it seems that providers of acai powder might benefit from having it so that public know it is really acai and not something else.

Organic certification does not guarantee that majority of nutrients from acai are being preserved.  Freeze-drying process does guarantee it - this is why MV went ahead and got its&#039; patents for.  Companies that use warm air spray drying could have their acai also certified organic but lacking most of nutrients.

On low-quality of acai - what evidence do you have that MV actually used whatever you digged out in their products?  You cannot prove it - your shipment receipts do not mean anything - from what I know it is MonaVie that sells low-grade acai that does not meet their high standards to its competitors.  Maybe it went to V8 or other competitor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freeze-drying for acai is far more important than being organic.</p>
<p>Wolfberry (goji) to me is the second best ingredient of MV &#8211; it is also considered as one of the superfruits so it somehow does not make sense what MonaVie Scam said about adding goji to MV just to avoid organic certification. Chinese often use organochlorine pesticides in commercial goji cultivation to mitigate destruction of berries by insects (based on Wikipedia) &#8211; so testing for pesticides is necessary. Lychee is also from China &#8211;  Oh, I am sorry, your V8 or Welch juice does not have it.  Too bad as goji has been known for its health benefits for centuries.</p>
<p>Why should organic certification for acai be something unusual?  Most of acai is grown in amazon rain forest &#8211; i.e. there are no pesticides being used there.  So what is this discussion really for?  To me it seems that providers of acai powder might benefit from having it so that public know it is really acai and not something else.</p>
<p>Organic certification does not guarantee that majority of nutrients from acai are being preserved.  Freeze-drying process does guarantee it &#8211; this is why MV went ahead and got its&#8217; patents for.  Companies that use warm air spray drying could have their acai also certified organic but lacking most of nutrients.</p>
<p>On low-quality of acai &#8211; what evidence do you have that MV actually used whatever you digged out in their products?  You cannot prove it &#8211; your shipment receipts do not mean anything &#8211; from what I know it is MonaVie that sells low-grade acai that does not meet their high standards to its competitors.  Maybe it went to V8 or other competitor.</p>
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		<title>By: MonaVie Scam</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonaVie Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 02:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vogel provides evidence to what he says.  He has shown evidence that MonaVie buys low-quality acai and that they don&#039;t export the acai at all (much less be the largest exporter).

You say that MonaVie is selling low quality acai to competitors?  Why would they want to be a distributor for competitors?  If true (and I don&#039;t think it is, that&#039;s really poor business on their part.  

Tom, you say that you learned something different... MonaVie has high quality acai and is selling low quality acai to competitors.  Where is your source?  How did you learn this?  You bring up Vogel&#039;s reputation, but you now find yourself having to provide evidence to solidify your own reputation.

Tom, you say that Vogel should look at the U.S. agencies for double standards.  You make claims that Vogel eats &quot;genetically modified products&quot;, with &quot;pesticides and herbicides.&quot;  This article is about being certified organic.  From &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_certification&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt; this means:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;avoidance of most synthetic chemical inputs (e.g. fertilizer, pesticides, antibiotics, food additives, etc), genetically modified organisms, irradiation, and the use of sewage sludge...&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

So eating &quot;certified organic&quot; means all these things that Tom brings up are irrelevant.  In fact it speaks to the relevancy of this article that MonaVie is not certified organic.  Which means that MonaVie is legally allowed to use genetically modified products, pesticides, and herbicides without telling people.  This is Tom&#039;s &quot;reason not to believe&quot; and &quot;not to be satisfied with [MonaVie&#039;s] products.&quot;  Many people are satisfied with Monsanto&#039;s products (despite your &quot;libelous&quot; words) as well, so of course that makes them extremely safe, right?

All the things that Tom mentions about wolfberry are true... and amazingly enough... mentioned in the original article.  So that isn&#039;t providing new information.  It&#039;s very possible that MonaVie is adding Wolfberry so that they can skirt the organic certification.  

If one was to draw up a business plan for profitability, it would be to include an ingredient like wolfberry and use it as a scap-goat to avoid ordering organic certification.  That way you can buy the cheapest of ingredients elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vogel provides evidence to what he says.  He has shown evidence that MonaVie buys low-quality acai and that they don&#8217;t export the acai at all (much less be the largest exporter).</p>
<p>You say that MonaVie is selling low quality acai to competitors?  Why would they want to be a distributor for competitors?  If true (and I don&#8217;t think it is, that&#8217;s really poor business on their part.  </p>
<p>Tom, you say that you learned something different&#8230; MonaVie has high quality acai and is selling low quality acai to competitors.  Where is your source?  How did you learn this?  You bring up Vogel&#8217;s reputation, but you now find yourself having to provide evidence to solidify your own reputation.</p>
<p>Tom, you say that Vogel should look at the U.S. agencies for double standards.  You make claims that Vogel eats &#8220;genetically modified products&#8221;, with &#8220;pesticides and herbicides.&#8221;  This article is about being certified organic.  From <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_certification" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a> this means:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;avoidance of most synthetic chemical inputs (e.g. fertilizer, pesticides, antibiotics, food additives, etc), genetically modified organisms, irradiation, and the use of sewage sludge&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>So eating &#8220;certified organic&#8221; means all these things that Tom brings up are irrelevant.  In fact it speaks to the relevancy of this article that MonaVie is not certified organic.  Which means that MonaVie is legally allowed to use genetically modified products, pesticides, and herbicides without telling people.  This is Tom&#8217;s &#8220;reason not to believe&#8221; and &#8220;not to be satisfied with [MonaVie's] products.&#8221;  Many people are satisfied with Monsanto&#8217;s products (despite your &#8220;libelous&#8221; words) as well, so of course that makes them extremely safe, right?</p>
<p>All the things that Tom mentions about wolfberry are true&#8230; and amazingly enough&#8230; mentioned in the original article.  So that isn&#8217;t providing new information.  It&#8217;s very possible that MonaVie is adding Wolfberry so that they can skirt the organic certification.  </p>
<p>If one was to draw up a business plan for profitability, it would be to include an ingredient like wolfberry and use it as a scap-goat to avoid ordering organic certification.  That way you can buy the cheapest of ingredients elsewhere.</p></blockquote>
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