Interest in MonaVie is Fading

well good post scam, i do not know if this has to do with this post, but im am going to try and say something hoping it is not too far off topic, and thanks for looking at the link i sent you and posting this.

what i have been thinking about is, while hear in canada may be collecting new monaBOTS throught large seminars, weekly meetings, house meetings, house plans, and the list goes on, and by trying to force it upon others when a delievery man delivers it to their house, which is another story in its self, hear in my small provance it doesnt seem to be taking off as much as i thought it would. especially in my small city. sure some places are doing much better, enough to have weekly open meetings, while others have 1 meeting a month, while others like my town doesnt have any. which most of you know i was part of monavie at one time, and couldnt make it work in my town because they may be a bit smart, or they may become dum dums later on who knows. but there may be a handfull around but not enough to spark a meeting for monavie, not even once in 2 months, and then you got monthly seminars, which are in one locatin in my provance in the middle which is a long drive and ends late.

with this i feel that the interestis not strong enough anymore in canada as i once thought when i first got in, and distributors try to make it seem as iff its exploding right now that all the elderly from the baby boomers era want this product to stay healthy, but i honestly believe most if not all of them cant afford the product for them selves let along with there wife.

with these charts i feel it should be proof enough that the interist in monavie reguardless of what monaBOTS state and claim is dropping and i believe it will soon become like many other mls’s, an invisable blip on the radar like amay and many others like goki and such.

just my opinions, hope i didnt go to far off topic or even in the on the right naighborhood ley along the the right yard.

I didn’t put it in the article, but it’s worth noting that pyramid scams don’t typically go up and down all the time. They tend to up when everyone is excited about getting rich and then down when they realize that its not mathematically sustainable.

Fact is that MonaVie’s most recent income disclosure statement (Mid-year 2009) lists only 166 Diamonds including 34 that are Black Diamonds or above. That doesn’t come anywhere close to 100 a year. Now please don’t go tell me that MonaVie changed the rankings at the last convention so that they could claim more success than they have. I’ve heard that excuse already. Let’s see a new income disclosure statement that shows 500 or more people making an average of $200K a year (the current average income of the lowest-ranked Diamond). If there are 500 Diamonds on the next income disclosure statement, I expect that we’ll see the new low-ranking Diamond income level at something like $120K a year (or perhaps less). My guess is that they switched up their number reporting so distributors can go out and make claims that there are now 500 Diamonds, giving the illusion of success.

If your plan is to go out and scam people out of their hard-earned money, then yes, I’m sure I come off negative to you as I try to prevent that. That’s like criminals thinking that the police are negative. You should take a more positive role in helping people with their finances instead of trying to sell them juice at $35-45 a bottle.

Bob said: “Fact is Monavie has generated 500 Diamonds in 5 years at a avg of a 100 Diamonds a year.”

You still don’t know the difference between a fact and an unsupported assertion. Produce a list of these 500 diamonds and your claim might have a crumb of credibility, but of course that will never happen. You charlatans never have any facts to support your baseless claims.

not only belief and faith but also around hear in canada and around hear they use the word DREAM ALOTE.

THEY USE THIS WORD DREAM IN SEMINARS AND OPEN HOUSE MEETINGS AND MEETINGS IN HOTELS THAT ARE HELD WEEKLY.

my own mother told me something which saddened me after words when we were talking all nice and out of the blue she askes when am i going to start going full force on monavie again like i was in the beginning when i joined, and i didnt know at first how to tell her i aint doing it anymore, didnt want to break her heart, i avoided by saying im just taking a break and just doing alote of learning, and after that she told me and i quote ” SON, WHY DID YOU LET GO OF YOUR DREAMS.” and i just remained quiet for a minute and just said i will start again but didnt mean it.

anyways i still have my dreams. thats what helps keep my head up everyday. thinking about what i want and what i wish i had. for me its fun. now that i told her after a bit, i never been happier.

i believe with this kind of behavor and talk it will be the decline in numbers of monavie subscribers. and thus causing the decline in visiters in sites and the lack of interist.

not to mention religon which they kinda use alote on cds and seminars. but i dont get into that but it kinda drives me nuts to see people use religon in this business to push it.

Please understand that when I say 500 Diamonds I mean Diamond Status from Diamond All the way up to Crowne Black ……

Check out all the people who have done great for themselves. Imagine all the people they have helped along the way. http://monaviemediacenter.com/field-leaders-2

You guys know that Monavie makes up more than 50% of MLM’s top 500 earners right?

Robert Kiyosaki has a new book/Dvd out Business of the 21st Century. Network Marketing!

Vogel, Scam, Aussie sorry fellas but Money is way bigger than you guys will ever be and Monavie is doing great things. You should stop hatin.

You

Aussie BTW the interest in Monavie’s products will only expand because there product is getting better and better. A juice for any need for your body whether cholesterol, Joints, Immune System, Energy. Now they are coming out with Food Replacement products for weight loss. Get ready! Monavie is only going to get bigger just think the Northeast hasn’t even been really targeted at all yet. Watch out! 20 Billion this company will hit in the next 10-15 years

BobJ states “Monavie Has 500 diamonds and 50 Black Diamonds. Vogel research boy I am sure you can find some info. Go prove otherwise.”

We have already PROVED your statement incorrect – as Monavie Scam pointed out, the 2009 Global IDS confirms only 166 ranked at Diamond through to Royal Black Diamond and above.

Please submit evidence of your statement as I’d say the onus was on YOU to prove what you’re saying is correct.

As for the product range, I suspect you could be selling cats pi$$ and it still wouldn’t stop distributors from making illegal disease claims, product misrepresentations and misrepresenting the opportunity in pursuit of the all elusive millions.

The evidence has been provided – Monavie interest is fading. End of story.

p.s Robert Kiyosaki has been discussed in detail already – perhaps you should get up to speed on what’s being discussed before rehashing the same old arguments we’ve already managed to debunk.
http://www.juicescam.com/robert-kiyosaki-rich-dad-poor-dad-mlms-and-monavie/

BobJ, please support the 500 number or I’m going to start deleting your comments referring to it. That’s not helpful dialog when you just keep saying the equivalent of 2+2=5, when we’ve proven it to be 4.

There aren’t that many field leaders on the page that you mention. At least in comparison to the hundreds of thousands that lose money with MonaVie. I guess MonaVie doesn’t want to pictures of a Distributor Graveyard, because it would be poor marketing. I shouldn’t blame them too much for only showing the one side of the story that makes them more money… that’s good business I suppose. Just when someone like me points out the other side, don’t deny that the other side exists.

You realize when you say that MonaVie makes up more than 50% of MLM’s top 500 earners, you defeat your goal by including MLM, right? How many of the top pyramiding earners were in Bernie Madoff’s scheme? Just because someone is a successful crack dealer, it doesn’t mean that I should want to deal crack, or that dealing crack is a good business to be in.

BobJ, you can replace all the MonaVie products you mentioned (cholesterol, Joints, Immune System, Energy) very cheaply and easily (I have examples on this site). MonaVie simply takes something that is already out on the market like Wellmune, Cholest-Off, Glucosamine, or Caffeine and integrates it into its juice. Food replacements for weight loss already exist. Slim Fast has been around for 33 years. It will be interesting to see how MonaVie twists this one around. I’m sure it won’t come with any studies of its effectiveness against comparison products (since they’ve refused to do that in the past).

Not to even Mention the Vast amount of Worldwide Ruby’s and Emerald’s on that page who earn about 100k-150k a year. Not bad for a part time opportunity. SCAM!

[Editor's Response: By that you mean not to mention the hundreds of thousands of people who lost money?

There are always people who make money in pyramid schemes... it doesn't mean we should focus on the 1 in a thousand case. ]

Dear BobJ,

You claim the growth of Mona Vie has been impressive. However, when you compare the last 2 IDS statements, which are legal documents, it proves otherwise. If you can, dig up the year end 2008 IDS and compare it wiht the mid year 2009. If you don’t have the old IDS, perhaps one of the stellar commentators here can be of assistance.

The IDS shows the follow DECREASE of successful distributors over that 6 month period:

Star 500 = -205
Star 1000 = -153
Bronze = -64
Silver = -27
Gold = -14
Ruby = -1
Emerald = -7
Diamond = -4
Blue Diamond = -8
Hawaii Blue Diamond = -2
Black Diamond = 0
Higher Levels = 0

It also shows that most distributors at just about every level receieved a lower “annualized average check”. This may just explain why there was no release of an end of year 2009 IDS. Perhaps the numbers were so horrible compared to the previous IDS they declined to publish them. We anxiously await the mid year 2010 for comparison.

There are also reports of Mona Vie’s US sales decreasing 27+%. http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2010/05/03/an-anonymous-source-reveals-numbers-for-monavie/

Mona Vie Black Diamond Kelly Bangert says himself the business if fading: “From July 2008 – January 2009 my MonaVie business fell back around 40%. It stabalized [sic] from January through May. In June of this year to current my business has gone backwards consistently every single week an additional 30%. I watched my Blue Diamonds [sic] house get Foreclosed on, another Blue Diamonds car was repossessed. No one on my team including me was qualifying rank. At our Hotel events, I was calling up all the Blue Diamonds, Hawaiian Blue Diamonds and Black Diamonds and no one was making anywhere close to the income disclosure statement. None of my top leaders could even pay there [sic] bills, they gave up everything to work for MonaVie full time.”

http://amthrax.wordpress.com/2010/06/21/what-really-happened-to-kelly-bangert-vis-a-vis-xowii-and-monavie/

Bobby, I think you’ve been duped.

BobJ states “Many come in get excited and fall out while giving little to no effort. That is why the numbers for failures are high and you guys can keep denying that as much as possible but it is fact.”

I referred you to the IDS, interpreted the data CORRECTLY which as per my previous post confirms “a group of only 377 (who equate to 0.053% of the total sales force) received nearly 40% of the commissions during the period of the 2009 IDS, the fact that 87% received zero in the first instance AND the fact that out of the 13% of the sales force who did qualify for commissions, 97% of those averaged $37.33 per week (which clearly represents a loss when ongoing expenses are factored into).”

But yet you continue to attempt to divert people’s attention from the FACTS and present an entirely unfounded argument to explain away and down play the information contained within the IDS – arguments which are NOT supported by statistical or factual evidence.

Your behaviour is extremely deceptive, you are luring those nearest and dearest to you into a venture where the chances are that pretty much every person you recruit is going to lose – on the basis of misinformation YOU gave.

No doubt you’ll also attempt to distort and explain away the facts Food Tech just quoted above concerning the product also!

You know Monavie Scam, I suspect those of us who continue to research this company on almost a daily basis are obviously contributing to the stats as confirmed by Google and complete.com – the traffic being recorded isn’t representative of the type of interest being shown in the company because clearly some of the attention certainly isn’t positive!

BobJ states “My behavior wouldn’t be deceptive to you if you learned how to count the people from diamond up to Brig Hart on that link I provided.”

I note BobJ earlier also stated “Very impressive A Business that has created 500 people making 200k- 1 Million+ a year.”

Your company policy states “Whenever discussing earnings, you should refer to the Income Disclosure Statement and provide the link or the actual document.”
http://monaviemediacenter.com/blogs/5-tips-every-monavie-distributor-needs-to-know-about-the-new-ftc-guidelines/

Such statements as those you have made are in breach of company policy taking into consideration not are not making reference directly to the IDS – you continue to attempt to skew the fact that these results are NOT typical and not representative of the likelihood of success (particularly given the absolute majority of participants are losing – this is a FACT).

When the new IDS is released, then you will be in a position to make claims in accordance with that.

BobJ further states “Sounds like your rambling again and ignoring the success of distributors.”

Hmmm….by focusing on the fewer than 1% of the entire sales force who are winning (primarily at the expense of those who are losing), I’d say it was you is attempting to divert our attentions from the more relevant fact in determining the feasibility of the venture – which would be the greater than 99% loss rate.

There’s no doubt that should the TRUE picture be presented to consumers from the onset, Monavie would be hard pressed to find anyone who would be prepared to sign up for such an abysmal “opportunity”.

Feel free to respond to Food Tech, Bob – particularly given he made the effort to respond to your summon.

Yea Vogel it’s burning lol…..Debt free Billion Dollar Company…….It’s going down because Vogel the mysterious internet hater says so.

The fact is you guys don’t understand some things.

People fail because of them not any other reason.

You guys like to make excuse after excuse as to why people fail but the bottom line is it comes down to the individual.

Aussie your 99% number is heavily skewed when will you realize this? Why do you keep calling it Abysmal when you don’t even understand or now of any of those people’s experiences. Also it’s not 99 it’s more around 90 percent. Then when you equate the amount of people who quit after a couple months about 80% of the people do little or nothing with the business because they give up or just don’t want to deal with building it.

The Majority of people don’t do anything with this Business ……It’s not because of anything other then them! Please understand this is the biggest thing you guys fail to understand. Stop with your deceiving.

If you want to Succeed in Monavie you will if you put in the effort needed. If you do the activities and treat it like a business.

So Aussie Stop with the 99% and that terrible misguided number because it’s not true.

BobJ states “There are probably over 1,000 people on that page all making 100k+ a year.”

You continue to breach company policy concerning income claims – I’ll repeat them for your reference:

“Whenever discussing earnings, you should refer to the Income Disclosure Statement and provide the link or the actual document.”
http://monaviemediacenter.com/blogs/5-tips-every-monavie-distributor-needs-to-know-about-the-new-ftc-guidelines/

Stop with the unauthorised claims and refer to the IDS as company policy requires you!!!!

You are a prime example of the deceptive and unethical behaviour seen by those associated with this farcical company.

What has been debunked?

You keep stating these things that are untrue.

Aussie you can take the number of the IDS all you want but the majority of those people did nothing with the business.

You think that 90% went full out and tried to succed? LOL no chance that is why they fail. You keep claiming it as if they put all their effort into it and tried extremely hard.

Aussie you no nothing about Monavie you are clueless you can read and speculate but you have no true facts.

BobJ states “Aussie where did you get this 99% Number that is losing money when Anybody that has hit Star 500 and above is making a profit.

Star 500’s up make up 15% of the company so don’t know where your getting 99% percent lose money.”

During the period of the 2009 IDS – there were only 7933 ranked at Star 500. Out of the distributors included (that, is 92 708), that equates to 8.6%. If you were to consider the entire sales force, this group equates to just over 1%.

The figures quoted in the IDS are gross figures – not NETT. Making money (i.e making a “profit”) occurs when a person’s income exceeds their outgoing expenses.

Please refer to the analysis of the 2009 Global IDS which I’ve previously performed.
http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-is-embarrassed-by-their-income-disclosure-statement-2/

BobJ – do I have to do all your work for you?!

Exactly, Vogel!

Another factor that eludes BobJ is the fact that the earnings in the IDS are averaged – meaning some distributors are making the earnings disclosed and some are not (though again, these are not NETT profits).

Achieving star 500 ranking doesn’t guarantee the level of income indicated in the least – my own friend achieved Star 1000 ranking and still hasn’t made a profit to date.

I doubt that anyone, including BobJ would buy into a traditional franchise business (for example) where 99% of the franchisee operators were losing money – but this is precisely the deal with Monavie.

With all the lies and misrepresentations, I can’t fathom a more unethical organisation to be involved with – let alone luring my family and friends into same.

BobJ states “Your also equating 46,000 people who are just distributors who are doing nothing with the business! They haven’t given a lick of energy. They make up 50% of the people in the IDS!”

BobJ – again, it is you who is attempting to divert people’s attention from the facts by distorting them and downplaying them and the significance of same.

Monavie have done everything possible to make the figures appear better than they actually are, including manipulating distributors such as yourself into believing that the distributors are to blame rather than the grossly unfair compensation plan which is heavily geared to paying those at the top (such as is the case with all pyramid schemes).

I have posted the source of my figures – which are correctly analysed from the IDS.

Please post your sources which support what you say is FACT rather than merely more baseless claims made by yourself.

BobJ asks “Aussie how can I prove effort?”

BobJ – then prove a lack of effort, prove that those distributors who you are so easy to discount as not making an effort and prove that those distributors (who all signed a distributor agreement/contract and paid the application fee) had no intention of doing so for the purpose of making a go of the business.

BobJ further states “Grossly unfair compensation plan? Monavie arguably has the best Compensation plan in Network Marketing. How is it geared towards the higher ups? Those people worked hard to get where they are it wasn’t handed to them.”

You certainly are selectively illiterate, aren’t you – read my analysis of the 2009 Global IDS which confirms that the top weighted compensation plan is confirmed when you consider that those ranked Royal Black Diamond and above through to Ruby Executives (377) who equate to 0.053% of the total sales force received 37.53% of the total commissions paid.

The above group of 0.053% averaged $7227.87 per week.

If you average the earnings of those ranked at Gold, Silver and Bronze Executive earnings with the remaining distributors (through to distributor level), this group of 92,331 (12.94% of the total sales force) still only averaged $49.13 per week.

Lets not forget again that 620,431 (87%) of the sales force earned absolutely ZERO.

How is this fair?

And how is it fair that people such as Orrin Woodward achieved Presidential Black Diamond Status without having ever sold a drop of juice and thus collects commissions and bonuses in accordance with that ranking – bonuses and commissions derived from the efforts and investments and purchases of Monavie’s sales force in light of the lack of retail sales to anyone outside the scheme, not due to any efforts that are his own.

BobJ further states “My point is out of that those 46,000 distributors who make up 50% of the IDS the majority did absolutely nothing.”

Where precisely did you elicit the above figure from, BobJ and where is the evidence which confirms this group signed up and paid the application fee for the purpose of “going nothing” with the business – are you the nominated spokesman for all these distributors or are you just merely continuing to post baseless statements and numbers?

There’s no doubt in my mind that there would be an enormous number of distributors who would be insulted by your accusations of doing nothing.

It is YOU who continues to distort and divert people’s attention the facts and I remain truly astounded when confronted by the calibre of mercenary and greed driven distributors such as yourself who are absolutely ruthlessness in your pursuit of ill-gotten financial gain.

Looks like microsoft is fading. Watch out Bill Gates. LOL!

http://www.google.com/trends?q=microsoft

As MonaVie opens in more International Markets, you will undoubtedly see traffic increase towards another peak.

Scam, are you a distributor, rep, or have any affiliation with a nutritional beverage company that contains Acai?