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		<title>By: Vogel</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 15:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue here is 3-fold: (1) Niles lied about his credentials; (2) Niles, a Monavie distributor, illegally promoted Monavie as a cancer treatment, and executive distributor Jason Lyons aided and abetted the act; (3) the Niles video was widely used in the promootion of Monavie; (4) Niles is currently on trial for child molestation -- the charges follow Niles&#039; previous court martial for rape and perjury.

This shouldn&#039;t have been viewed as an opportunity for some wonky chiropractor to slag the medical profession while trumpeting his own highly suspect credentials. Now I have to waste my time correcting your misinformation:

&quot;Our health care system spends 3 times more money on pharmaceuticals than any industrialized nation&quot;

False: Your claim is easily refuted by the latest data published by OECD.
http://www.oecd.org/document/16/0,3343,en_2649_34631_2085200_1_1_1_1,00.html

&quot;...and we rank near the bottom in longevity and health&quot;

False: The US is currently ranked among nations at #36 for longevity by the UN and at #50  according to CIA data; quite far from &quot;near the bottom&quot;.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

&quot;There is not a whole lot of nutritional training in med schools.&quot;

Can you define a &quot;whole lot&quot;. According to the sources below, there is quite a bit of coverage of this subject in US medical schools. 
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/funding/training/naa/faculty_courses.pdf
http://www.med-ed-online.org/res00023.htm

Even sources critical of nutritional education in US medical schools note that there are at least 40 medical schools that provide at least the minimum 25 hours of nutritional training recommended by the NAS.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430660/

I would argue that there isn&#039;t a single meaningful health-related subject that isn&#039;t taught more thoroughly and reliably at medical school versus chiropractic college. In other words, chiropractors basically don&#039;t know shit (and your post only strengthens that conviction). 

In matters of nutrition, physicians typically refer patients to a certified clinical nutritionist or registered dietitian, and their  expertise and training in nutrition is more reliable than that of any chiroquacktor, whose nutritional knowledge doesn&#039;t seem to extend any further than trying to profit from selling overpriced and often useless nutritional supplements to their patients. And given that the only therapeutic area in which chiropractic is thought to be even minimally effective is in the treatment of lower back pain -- and there is no obvious place for nutritional interventions in that treatment paradigm.

It&#039;s good that you are capable of seeing through MVs BS, but it&#039;s not good that you are so stridently ignorant or that you have used this thread as an opportunity to badmouth the medical profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue here is 3-fold: (1) Niles lied about his credentials; (2) Niles, a Monavie distributor, illegally promoted Monavie as a cancer treatment, and executive distributor Jason Lyons aided and abetted the act; (3) the Niles video was widely used in the promootion of Monavie; (4) Niles is currently on trial for child molestation &#8212; the charges follow Niles&#8217; previous court martial for rape and perjury.</p>
<p>This shouldn&#8217;t have been viewed as an opportunity for some wonky chiropractor to slag the medical profession while trumpeting his own highly suspect credentials. Now I have to waste my time correcting your misinformation:</p>
<p>&#8220;Our health care system spends 3 times more money on pharmaceuticals than any industrialized nation&#8221;</p>
<p>False: Your claim is easily refuted by the latest data published by OECD.<br />
<a href="http://www.oecd.org/document/16/0,3343,en_2649_34631_2085200_1_1_1_1,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.oecd.org/document/16/0,3343,en_2649_34631_2085200_1_1_1_1,00.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;and we rank near the bottom in longevity and health&#8221;</p>
<p>False: The US is currently ranked among nations at #36 for longevity by the UN and at #50  according to CIA data; quite far from &#8220;near the bottom&#8221;.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy</a></p>
<p>&#8220;There is not a whole lot of nutritional training in med schools.&#8221;</p>
<p>Can you define a &#8220;whole lot&#8221;. According to the sources below, there is quite a bit of coverage of this subject in US medical schools.<br />
<a href="http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/funding/training/naa/faculty_courses.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/funding/training/naa/faculty_courses.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://www.med-ed-online.org/res00023.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.med-ed-online.org/res00023.htm</a></p>
<p>Even sources critical of nutritional education in US medical schools note that there are at least 40 medical schools that provide at least the minimum 25 hours of nutritional training recommended by the NAS.<br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430660/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430660/</a></p>
<p>I would argue that there isn&#8217;t a single meaningful health-related subject that isn&#8217;t taught more thoroughly and reliably at medical school versus chiropractic college. In other words, chiropractors basically don&#8217;t know shit (and your post only strengthens that conviction). </p>
<p>In matters of nutrition, physicians typically refer patients to a certified clinical nutritionist or registered dietitian, and their  expertise and training in nutrition is more reliable than that of any chiroquacktor, whose nutritional knowledge doesn&#8217;t seem to extend any further than trying to profit from selling overpriced and often useless nutritional supplements to their patients. And given that the only therapeutic area in which chiropractic is thought to be even minimally effective is in the treatment of lower back pain &#8212; and there is no obvious place for nutritional interventions in that treatment paradigm.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good that you are capable of seeing through MVs BS, but it&#8217;s not good that you are so stridently ignorant or that you have used this thread as an opportunity to badmouth the medical profession.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 16:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Niles was an MD, it wouldn&#039;t mean much to me anyways.  There is not a whole lot of nutritional training in med schools.  Our health care system spends 3 times more money on pharmaceuticals than any industrialized nation and we rank near the bottom in longevity and health.  We actually dropped a little bit this year in longevity.  I was in Monavie a few years ago and have people trying to drag me back in.  I can refute most claims that I get e-mailed to me or addressed to me on Facebook without researching.  ( I have a BS in nutrition and am a chiropractor )  The info is usually twisted around to associate Monavie with anything positive.  Just follow an Okinawan diet (these people live the longest with few health probelms) and you will be fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Niles was an MD, it wouldn&#8217;t mean much to me anyways.  There is not a whole lot of nutritional training in med schools.  Our health care system spends 3 times more money on pharmaceuticals than any industrialized nation and we rank near the bottom in longevity and health.  We actually dropped a little bit this year in longevity.  I was in Monavie a few years ago and have people trying to drag me back in.  I can refute most claims that I get e-mailed to me or addressed to me on Facebook without researching.  ( I have a BS in nutrition and am a chiropractor )  The info is usually twisted around to associate Monavie with anything positive.  Just follow an Okinawan diet (these people live the longest with few health probelms) and you will be fine.</p>
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