No one’s life is being ruined by MonaVie? Someone on this site already said that he filed for bankruptcy because of it. Also you may want to read this other e-mail that I’ve gotten: http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/my-friend-is-brainwashed-by-get-rich-quick-schemes-help/.

You say that 90% of the people don’t do anything. I don’t think that’s true. Why would they sign up and go through the paperwork to not do anything. If it’s like most people, they tried to tell their friends and those friends realized it was a scam and didn’t want to get involved. Many distributors say you aren’t doing anything if you aren’t buying more product to share, more tools, paying for airline, hotels, and convention fees. It’s a bait and switch where distributors lure you in with a low fees only to change the pitch and say that you have to spend a lot more to actually be successful.

I base my opinion on Dr. Carson and Dr. Clayton on their own words. For instance: see this article on Dr. Carson, http://www.juicescam.com/monavies-dr-carson-on-cbs-radio/. He violates multiple FTC guidelines on in his CBS Radio interview (a paid advertising spot, I should mention). In fact, they are same violations that Dallin Larsen’s Dynamic Essentials was fined $2M for (“cancers, tumors, diabetes, Alzheimers disease”). It’s worth noting that Dr. Carson was a co-founder of MonaVie.

As for Dr. Clayton, you’ll want to read this article: http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-mmun-dr-paul-clayton-and-wellmune/, but especially focus on the comments. It’s clear that he’s misrepresenting himself. His speech makes it sound like A) he jumped at the opportunity to help spread the word of Mmun B) that he went to Oxford University and C) that he’s a medical doctor. Very little investigation shows that he was paid by MonaVie to speak, didn’t go to Oxford University, and is a pharmacist. (I have all the respect in the world for pharmacists – my wife is one. However, she doesn’t go around using her doctor title.)

The product isn’t just shown to be poor by Chromadex, but MonaVie’s own Dr. Alex Schauss shows that the juice isn’t very nutritious. Also FoodTech, with his own money, agreed to have MonaVie tested himself. To make everything fair, he discussed with in a bunch of MonaVie distributors what was the best way to ensure that the test was valid and fair. The distributors agreed how to deliver the two bottles to a facility of their choosing (they chose Chromadex as well it seems). It went for testing and both sides agreed the results that would come out of it are fair. Well the tests came back showing very little nutrition. So there are multiple tests here that show MonaVie to not be very nutritious and no tests showing MonaVie to helpful.

If you think that MonaVie has helped people, you might want to research the placebo effect: http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-and-the-placebo-effect/. It could be making people believe they are being helped where their underlying condition continues to get worse while it remains untreated. This is why we do scientific tests and don’t rely on people’s perceptions. Like optical illusions, perception can be misleading.

“You may have some distributors making false claims and saying false things but what can you do? Like Dalin says it’s like herding cats…” You can make them distribute it through normal stores. You don’t see people making illegal claims for cranberry juice do you? As for a few bad apples, that’s not close to the case. There have been hundreds here. Also at the Indianapolis regional Henry Marsh himself was bringing people up on stage so they can talk about how MonaVie helped their children’s autism. At the very least, you can herd the obvious cats that are high up like Henry Marsh.

Kiyosaki is pretty easy to discredit. Just do a couple of Internet searches. Almost everyone things he’s pretty bad. The Wikipedia article points out how The Wall Street Journal and Kiplinger’s Personal Finance magazine criticize him. I think more people will believe those two well respected publications over Kiplinger. You may also note that Kiyosaki’s talk about being scared and afraid of being out their comfort zone is not a reason to try something. Jumping off the Empire State Building definitely brings me out of my comfort zone.

If it’s about beating odds, why not just play the lottery? It’s a whole lot easier and less time consuming.

We’ve already covered that Network Marketing business is not minimal. There are multiple cases to buy to share with others (that’s a few hundred dollars), there are tools to buy (a few hundred more), conferences to go to (airline ticket, hotels, meals, conference fees – a few thousand more). It may be cheap to get in, but if you want to “beat the odds” as you put it, any MonaVie distributor will tell that those expenses are required.

Why are Clayton and Ralph Carson frauds because you read an internet article about them hahah..

You obviously don’t know how the product has effected people. It has with many different ailments. It’s not a cure but rather just a very solid nutritional product that offers a great business around it. The product is legit one test by Chromadex by one of their products doesn’t disprove that. Or Foodtech’s Apple vs Monavie theory lol………

You may have some distributors making false claims and saying false things but what can you do? Like Dalin says it’s like herding cats they will say what they will say. However you can’t base what a couple distributors say and generalize all of Monavie that is simply not fair. Again lack of experience with this company prevents you from understanding that.

Try and discredit Kiyosaki as it compares to Monavie now. Again if you find another Video of Kiyosaki he says most guys are just afraid and are scared because they won’t come out of their comfort zone. That is what this business is all about. It’s about beating the odds, most people won’t make it but some will. It’s not a easy business to pursue there is alot of obstacles to overcome. Again that is why the ratio is so low for success not only that but alot of what makes up the 90% is people who are just drinking or drank the products as distributors and never pursued the buisness.

If there was a stat out there that revealed the percentage of money being made by people who stuck with the business for over a year you would see a much higher success rate. So you can keep bashing the IDS all you want because the business model works and it’s very very powerful. You don’t need to sign up a gazillion people to become successful. They are hard to find but when you find the right people 4-5 solid business builders is all you need to become successful. Again it takes time patience and persistence.

Also something you left out that Kiyosaki mentions is that he recommends Network Marketing because the Investment is minimal which allows you to learn the business skills to become successful. If you stick with this Business long enough you will learn the necessary business skills and you will become successful and make other people successful as well

You can’t change these facts by redirection, red herrings, or childish denials.

Do you know how many people are on this damn earth? You think Distributors are gonna run out of people to recruit? You know how many people in America prob have no idea what Monavie is? I know in the Northeast about 80% of people probably have no idea what Monavie is.

This Business is sustainable…….

Obviously you just talk out your ass cuz if knew anything about Monavie you would know that alot of people are making more than the person who signed them up or people that got in before them.

Yea obviously your not gonna make more than Dallin, but you can make more than many other distributors that got in before you.

Yea they teach networking marketing at universities go dig a bit deeper……They teach it because it’s a great form of business.

Dr. Charles King of the University of Illinois at Chicago developed and has taught a seminar in network marketing since 1994. The class, which combines a functional approach to theory, methods, and practice for the network marketing distributor has attracted more than 1,100 participants.

The first college textbook focusing on direct sales (including network marketing) has been written and published by Dr. Keith Laggos, whose company sells a number of periodicals aimed at home-based entrepreneurs. This text has been adopted by Utah Valley State College for use in a network marketing program it hopes to offer on campus in the year 2000.

You can buy at 3, 6, or 12 cases……12 cases you can get the juice for $1000 bucks that’s a huge investment? That’s a huge investment to start a buisness? Really? If you think that’s huge you must be broke……..That is the most you can get in for. You can start at 1 case for $140 or 2 cases at $240 which is what the majority do. Then they go and recruit people and some pay for their juice in 1 week sometimes it takes a month or two. Their consumption of the juice gets them into the business.

Why are so many people unsuccessful at this business? Because they quit, because people tell them they are crazy they are stupid and or they come on mis-informed sites like this and get discouraged. That is why so the numbers are so high for failure. Also because a ton of people just sign up as distributors and just drink the juice and don’t do anything with the business.

Step inside the arena before you judge because all you guys are doing right now is judging without all the facts and judging without truly knowing the people involved in this company.

If you really want all your questions answered get involved with the company for 6 months and then offer your opinion. Not on stuff you hear or read about or things you find on the internet. If you look for the negative on anything you can find it especially in today’s world.

Monavie isn’t a pyramid scheme, It’s a legit sustainable very lucrative shall you pursue it hard type of business.

So because someone writes a article and you post it means Monavie is a pyramid?

Again Pyramid indicates more a chain of command from top to bottom. In Monavie you can make more than the person who got in earlier than you or who signed you up.

As far as Warren Buffet he’s selling a solid product just like Monavie is. You drink the Juice for a extended period of time or know alot of people who have? Some people feel something some don’t. I know many who have helping with anything from Cholesterol to helping their vision.

Do people in Monavie go around selling bottles for $45? Hell no, You can but that’s not how you make money in this business. You can get the bottles anywhere from $20-$35 dollars when you buy wholesale. You can literally sign up 4 people and start paying about $20-$40 a case now your paying either $5-$10 a bottle.

Sambazon doesn’t offer that opportunity. Other Companies selling Acai don’t offer that either. Monavie’s products are legit and they are stepping up to the plate with new age ingredients like Wellmune which is in M-mun and Palintinose which is in the Emv.

As far as Kiyosaki he talks up Network Marketing and promotes it as a great way to start a business………http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz1SLOkIg0Q

I don’t see why he wouldn’t promote Monavie……

1. Monavie is often (and aptly) referred to as a pyramid scheme because of its primary focus on recruitment and because much of the sale of product appears to be between distributors rather than from distributor to retail customer. That’s an unsustainable model because it relies on endless recruitment in order for the latest joiners to see revenue growth. Exponential recruitment, which this model requires, is a mathematical impossibility. Eventually, a pyramid must reach critical mass and then die because there are no people left to recruit, thus leaving the newest distributors without the possibility of significant revenue.

2. The possibility (slim in this case) of making more money than the person who signed you is not a determinant of whether or not a company is a pyramid.

Dick said: “Isn’t a regular job a pyramid?”

No, not even close. That you would ask this feeble question shows that you don’t even vaguely understand what constitutes a pyramid scheme (or more likely, that you are purposely trying to mislead people). Bear in mind that “regular jobs” pay at least minimum wage; Monavie does not. “Regular jobs” provide benefits like 401Ks and health insurance to all of their employees; again, Monavie does not

Dick said: “Can the Vice-President make more than the President? Can the Secretary make more then the Vice-President.”

1. Yes. 2. Possible but unlikely…so what? Salesmen can earn more than their sales managers; VPs can make more than Presidents; janitors with good stock options can make more than a newly hired VP. Anyone who is qualified and skilled at what they do can work their way up the ranks from the bottom to the top.

Dick said: “Monavie you can make more than a person that got in before you or signed you up”

Riiiight. Go over the list of the 7 veteran distributors at the top of the pyramid. Who has come along as a bottom-level distributor, worked their way up the ranks (not by bringing a pre-existing downline from Amway or another MLM) and eclipsed them? (answer…none) How many people in the pyramid make more than Dallin Larsen and Randy Marsh? You don’t know right. OK, fine…then shut up about this already?

“No wonder they are starting to teach Network Marketing at particular universities because it’s a legit business and great way to start a business for a minimal investment.”

Actually, that’s not even remotely true. It’s just BS that Utah-pyramid scheme operators like to parrot to disguise the fact that they are operating an unethical and often illegal business. Is anyone really gullible enough to believe it? Are you?
http://www.mlmwatch.org/01General/mlmlies.html
http://www.pinktruth.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=56&Itemid=63

I did a quick Google search for “multilevel marketing”, limiting the search results to sites with the “.edu” suffix. What I found were university websites warning against multilevel marketing and calling it a pyramid scheme.
http://fisher.osu.edu/offices/career-management/policies/employer-policies/
http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/economic/friedman/mmretailing.htm
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway/AUS/

The startup costs for Monavie are not insignificant either. In order to get the lowest wholesale rice on the product, one must order 10 cases a month. That’s a huge investment. Just drinking this crap juice (rather than selling it) is a big investment (roughly 2K per year…for freakin’ fruit juice!). Factor in the replicated website, the grossly overpriced promotional materials, the pathetic “training” event tickets, gas money, etc. That’s a sizable investment and the ROI is dismal.

Dick said: “Wake up people this dude who makes this site is a clown”

Dude, you just did the intellectual equivalent of donning a red rubber nose, a polka-dot jumpsuit, and oversized novelty shoes, and yet you have the gall to call Lazyman a clown?

Why does Warren Buffet have his own Network Marketing Business? Here’s your answer: http://www.juicescam.com/warren-buffetts-pampered-chef-and-monavie/.

I happen to think that Robert Kiyosaki’s ideas are inspirational, but even he admits that his books are “a motivational tool”, not a “guide to wealth.” Check out Wikipedia for more information. In fact Kiyosaki calls 401k plans the biggest scam ever. Here is some fun reading on that topic: Robert Kiyosaki is Off his Rocker (Again) – Is The 401(k) Really the Biggest Scam Ever? Look up any personal finance guru and he/she will tell you that a 401K is not a scam.

If you read Rich Dad Poor Dad, you know what he says about assets and liabilities. One should acquire assets that continue to product income and shun liabilities that deplete your income. Spending $5000 a year for a family of five to drink MonaVie is clearly a liability and a huge one. So if anyone is telling you that Kiyosaki is promoting MonaVie, go read Rich Dad Poor Dad and ask yourself if he would be your customer.

Isn’t a regular job a pyramid? Can the Vice-President make more than the President? Can the Secretary make more then the Vice-President. No there is a chain of command and it works it’s way down.

Monavie you can make more than a person that got in before you or signed you up…………

No wonder they are starting to teach Network Marketing at particular universities because it’s a legit business and great way to start a business for a minimal investment. I wonder why Warren Buffet has his own Network Marketing Business? Go Check out Robert Kiyosaki author of Rich Dad Poor Dad talking about this type of Business. Wake up people this dude who makes this site is a clown………