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		<title>By: MonaVie Scam</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonaVie Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I figured this out quite awhile ago, when a distributor approached me about his awesome coin collection MLM (Numis) and two weeks later sent me an email that he&#039;s found this great fountain of youth pill MLM (LifeVantage Protandim) instead.  Suddenly all the arguments he made about collecting coins and them being assets were bad ideas that should be abandoned?  

Logically, there&#039;s no reason why you can&#039;t sell juice, pills, coins, and laundry soap.  Walmart sells three of the four - collecting coins is a big of a niche market for them.

These MLMs are in competition with each other, because the war is over distributors, not products.  Distributors are too brainwashed by the false hope of financial freedom to see that they are the pawns in the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figured this out quite awhile ago, when a distributor approached me about his awesome coin collection MLM (Numis) and two weeks later sent me an email that he&#8217;s found this great fountain of youth pill MLM (LifeVantage Protandim) instead.  Suddenly all the arguments he made about collecting coins and them being assets were bad ideas that should be abandoned?  </p>
<p>Logically, there&#8217;s no reason why you can&#8217;t sell juice, pills, coins, and laundry soap.  Walmart sells three of the four &#8211; collecting coins is a big of a niche market for them.</p>
<p>These MLMs are in competition with each other, because the war is over distributors, not products.  Distributors are too brainwashed by the false hope of financial freedom to see that they are the pawns in the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MV Scam, you are right!  It couldn&#039;t be about the product as Amway had no high-priced fruit flavored water that I am aware of.  They do have lots of other stuff that is overpriced it is ironic how MLMs always feel they are in competition one with another.  What does vitamins and laundry soap have to do with fruit juice?

Its an age old scarcity mentality in the industry, they believe they are in competition for distributors, and that just because someone is pushing snake oil they couldn&#039;t possibly promote some other gimmick as well.  Funny stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MV Scam, you are right!  It couldn&#8217;t be about the product as Amway had no high-priced fruit flavored water that I am aware of.  They do have lots of other stuff that is overpriced it is ironic how MLMs always feel they are in competition one with another.  What does vitamins and laundry soap have to do with fruit juice?</p>
<p>Its an age old scarcity mentality in the industry, they believe they are in competition for distributors, and that just because someone is pushing snake oil they couldn&#8217;t possibly promote some other gimmick as well.  Funny stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: MonaVie Scam</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonaVie Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 18:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s kind of what I gathered, but I wasn&#039;t sure if I had it right.  I explained it to my wife as too rival mobs going at it over who gets control of the city&#039;s organized crime.

This goes to further show that the product isn&#039;t relevant, the fight is for the distributors who pay the autoship every month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s kind of what I gathered, but I wasn&#8217;t sure if I had it right.  I explained it to my wife as too rival mobs going at it over who gets control of the city&#8217;s organized crime.</p>
<p>This goes to further show that the product isn&#8217;t relevant, the fight is for the distributors who pay the autoship every month.</p>
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		<title>By: Vogel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I can gather there are a couple of issues here. One is that Kerala province has taken a tough stand on MLMs and that they are very out of favor. Incidentally, the population of Kerala, a tropical paradise in Southern India, includes a higher percentage of Christians than other parts of the country, and is also more affluent and better educated. It seems like the citizenry and  legislators in Kerala take a tougher stance on MLM, because they don&#039;t want to become infested with scams like Monavie.

The second factor seems to be that Amway&#039;s distributor networks got raided by Monavie, so much of the ire being directed at Monavie is coming form Amway reps who are crying foul. Essentially, this aspect is an argument among MLM thieves over who gets to control territory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I can gather there are a couple of issues here. One is that Kerala province has taken a tough stand on MLMs and that they are very out of favor. Incidentally, the population of Kerala, a tropical paradise in Southern India, includes a higher percentage of Christians than other parts of the country, and is also more affluent and better educated. It seems like the citizenry and  legislators in Kerala take a tougher stance on MLM, because they don&#8217;t want to become infested with scams like Monavie.</p>
<p>The second factor seems to be that Amway&#8217;s distributor networks got raided by Monavie, so much of the ire being directed at Monavie is coming form Amway reps who are crying foul. Essentially, this aspect is an argument among MLM thieves over who gets to control territory.</p>
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		<title>By: MonaVie Scam</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonaVie Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone share the back story on this for someone not up to date (and who doesn&#039;t really follow Indian politics)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone share the back story on this for someone not up to date (and who doesn&#8217;t really follow Indian politics)?</p>
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		<title>By: Vogel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Wow! I read the back story on this. All hell is breaking loose. Monavie is going to start an international war at the rate they&#039;re going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Wow! I read the back story on this. All hell is breaking loose. Monavie is going to start an international war at the rate they&#8217;re going.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 05:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monavie Indian Leaders Mr. Shamsudeen Beaten up in public for Cheating Business

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=3iZDdez_t78</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monavie Indian Leaders Mr. Shamsudeen Beaten up in public for Cheating Business</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&#038;v=3iZDdez_t78" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&#038;v=3iZDdez_t78</a></p>
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		<title>By: MonaVie Scam</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonaVie Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 17:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helena,

I forgot to mention something.  Here&#039;s a great quote about Stupidity: &quot;Quitters never win, winners never quit, but those who never win AND never quit are idiots.&quot; - http://despair.com/stup24x30pri.html.  Someone here pointed it out previously.

It doesn&#039;t take too much examination of the Income Disclosure Statement to see that nearly everyone involved would qualify as an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helena,</p>
<p>I forgot to mention something.  Here&#8217;s a great quote about Stupidity: &#8220;Quitters never win, winners never quit, but those who never win AND never quit are idiots.&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://despair.com/stup24x30pri.html" rel="nofollow">http://despair.com/stup24x30pri.html</a>.  Someone here pointed it out previously.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t take too much examination of the Income Disclosure Statement to see that nearly everyone involved would qualify as an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: humiliated</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 15:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, this sounds like something written straight out of the &quot;MonaVie Handbook...the snake oil Hustlers Guide to False  Enlightenment&quot; by Dallin Larsen.

Here is what I have to offer. I went to university, got a degree and landed myself a decent job that pays me well. I go on vacations and set money aside for a rainy day. I have friends and family that love me for being me, not because I can help pad their bank account by being in their downline.

 I don&#039;t have to go to work every day and con people into buying into a pyramid scheme so that I can provide my children &quot;a residual income&quot;. I don&#039;t have to lie about a product&#039;s nutritional content &amp; rely on &quot;scientific studies&quot; that are marketing ploys, not bona fide studies/science. 

What if you didn&#039;t accept what MonaVie puts on their website or tells you at the functions? What if you dug a little deeper into the &quot;science&quot; they claim to have in support of their products. What if you looked around and saw MANY other MLM companies that are making the exact same claims as MonaVie, in terms of alleged health benefits and compensation plans, with similar juices or nutritional supplements? What if you discovered that all of these are also based on junk science and that only a very few people at the top (like less then 1%) make any sustained profit?

 Is it ok with you to lie and be involved with something that IS a pyramid scheme in order to provide your children with residual income? If it is then read no further. 

I was involved with MonaVie and I know what you are being told and how effective it is if that is ALL you are hearing. Any bona fide business would not try to dissuade you from doing this research, as MonaVie does. This is not about keeping you motivated (I can hear it when you say people who fail are those who quit etc.), this is about keeping you brainwashed so you don&#039;t question MonaVie Corporate and their spoon fed information. 

You don&#039;t have to listen to me/us but it is your responsibility to protect your family&#039;s future by really researching what you are involved in, and not by talking to others involved or by reading the MV website.  I went to a nutritionist and several other reliable sources to confirm what this web site had already told me and that I had been completely conned.  

Good luck and I hope that you find your way out of this scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, this sounds like something written straight out of the &#8220;MonaVie Handbook&#8230;the snake oil Hustlers Guide to False  Enlightenment&#8221; by Dallin Larsen.</p>
<p>Here is what I have to offer. I went to university, got a degree and landed myself a decent job that pays me well. I go on vacations and set money aside for a rainy day. I have friends and family that love me for being me, not because I can help pad their bank account by being in their downline.</p>
<p> I don&#8217;t have to go to work every day and con people into buying into a pyramid scheme so that I can provide my children &#8220;a residual income&#8221;. I don&#8217;t have to lie about a product&#8217;s nutritional content &amp; rely on &#8220;scientific studies&#8221; that are marketing ploys, not bona fide studies/science. </p>
<p>What if you didn&#8217;t accept what MonaVie puts on their website or tells you at the functions? What if you dug a little deeper into the &#8220;science&#8221; they claim to have in support of their products. What if you looked around and saw MANY other MLM companies that are making the exact same claims as MonaVie, in terms of alleged health benefits and compensation plans, with similar juices or nutritional supplements? What if you discovered that all of these are also based on junk science and that only a very few people at the top (like less then 1%) make any sustained profit?</p>
<p> Is it ok with you to lie and be involved with something that IS a pyramid scheme in order to provide your children with residual income? If it is then read no further. </p>
<p>I was involved with MonaVie and I know what you are being told and how effective it is if that is ALL you are hearing. Any bona fide business would not try to dissuade you from doing this research, as MonaVie does. This is not about keeping you motivated (I can hear it when you say people who fail are those who quit etc.), this is about keeping you brainwashed so you don&#8217;t question MonaVie Corporate and their spoon fed information. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to listen to me/us but it is your responsibility to protect your family&#8217;s future by really researching what you are involved in, and not by talking to others involved or by reading the MV website.  I went to a nutritionist and several other reliable sources to confirm what this web site had already told me and that I had been completely conned.  </p>
<p>Good luck and I hope that you find your way out of this scam.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 13:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome Helena,

I think MS did a great job addressing the quitting aspect of your comment.  I just wanted to leave a few thoughts.  First, you said &quot;There was a survey done on baby boomers and they were asked if they were thankful what their forfathers had done for them? They all raised their hands.And then they asked them if they felt that they were doing something to change their childrens lives? And none of them raised their hands.&quot;  This doesn&#039;t sound like an actual survey.  Traditionally a survey is done by polling, not by a raising of hands.  How is it that these baby boomers were assembled to raise their hands. Do you have any evidence that this survey was ever conducted or were you just told of this survey?  Even if there was a room full of baby boomers, I find it very difficult to believe that none of them believed they have done anything to change their children&#039;s lives.  Just about all the parents I know work hard to provide values, encourage and pay for education, and lovingly devote their time to the betterment of thier children.  Even lousy parents believe they sacrifice greatly so their children can have a better life.

Can you name any children of network marketing that have inherited and continued the recurring income that you refer to?  What happened to those who believed they were creating recurring income for thier children with Royal Tongan Limu (Dallin Larson&#039;s last company) when the company was shut down by the government?

You ask what we have to offer.  I would offer you the truth.  The truth that endless recruiting product based pyramid schemes gaurantee losses to better than 95% of those who enroll.  I would offer you the idea that education, innovation, and determination still offer the best path to success, and this can be done in a moral ethical way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome Helena,</p>
<p>I think MS did a great job addressing the quitting aspect of your comment.  I just wanted to leave a few thoughts.  First, you said &#8220;There was a survey done on baby boomers and they were asked if they were thankful what their forfathers had done for them? They all raised their hands.And then they asked them if they felt that they were doing something to change their childrens lives? And none of them raised their hands.&#8221;  This doesn&#8217;t sound like an actual survey.  Traditionally a survey is done by polling, not by a raising of hands.  How is it that these baby boomers were assembled to raise their hands. Do you have any evidence that this survey was ever conducted or were you just told of this survey?  Even if there was a room full of baby boomers, I find it very difficult to believe that none of them believed they have done anything to change their children&#8217;s lives.  Just about all the parents I know work hard to provide values, encourage and pay for education, and lovingly devote their time to the betterment of thier children.  Even lousy parents believe they sacrifice greatly so their children can have a better life.</p>
<p>Can you name any children of network marketing that have inherited and continued the recurring income that you refer to?  What happened to those who believed they were creating recurring income for thier children with Royal Tongan Limu (Dallin Larson&#8217;s last company) when the company was shut down by the government?</p>
<p>You ask what we have to offer.  I would offer you the truth.  The truth that endless recruiting product based pyramid schemes gaurantee losses to better than 95% of those who enroll.  I would offer you the idea that education, innovation, and determination still offer the best path to success, and this can be done in a moral ethical way.</p>
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